Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
Here's a slightly dated diagram, but it may convey the flavor [thanks to Paul Hrycewicz]: http://www.kcats.org/pub/CB%20Diagram.pdf Looks pretty current to me.. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
No it's not ... just turn the page over, it's toward the left middle, right next to the IOHS g,d,r Tom Puddicombe Mainframe Performance Capacity Planning CSC North American Public Sector - Civil Group (203) 949-1401 (860) 428-3252 (cell) Computer Sciences Corporation Registered Office: 3170 Fairview Park Drive, Falls Church, Virginia 22042, USA Registered in Nevada, USA No: C-489-59 - This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. - Steve Comstock [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU 04/09/2008 06:29 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU To IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU cc Subject Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets Michael Stack wrote: At 05:01 PM 4/9/2008 -0300, you wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/08/2008 at 09:00 AM, Stan Weyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does anyone have a text, PDF or whatever file that shows the MVS control block layout, offset, fields, relation to other control blocks, etc that is somewhat current? There was a pointer diagram in OS/360 System Control Blocks and some of the earlier System Data Areas manuals, but the system is far too complex these days to fit such a thing on a single page. Some control blocks are OCO and others are documented with text derived from the mapping macros. I don't know of any pointer diagrams for even a subset. Here's a slightly dated diagram, but it may convey the flavor [thanks to Paul Hrycewicz]: http://www.kcats.org/pub/CB%20Diagram.pdf Michael Stack Product Developer NEON Enterprise Software, Inc. It's missing the You are here sign. :-) Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == call or email to receive a free sample student handout == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/08/2008 at 09:00 AM, Stan Weyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does anyone have a text, PDF or whatever file that shows the MVS control block layout, offset, fields, relation to other control blocks, etc that is somewhat current? There was a pointer diagram in OS/360 System Control Blocks and some of the earlier System Data Areas manuals, but the system is far too complex these days to fit such a thing on a single page. Some control blocks are OCO and others are documented with text derived from the mapping macros. I don't know of any pointer diagrams for even a subset. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
At 05:01 PM 4/9/2008 -0300, you wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/08/2008 at 09:00 AM, Stan Weyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does anyone have a text, PDF or whatever file that shows the MVS control block layout, offset, fields, relation to other control blocks, etc that is somewhat current? There was a pointer diagram in OS/360 System Control Blocks and some of the earlier System Data Areas manuals, but the system is far too complex these days to fit such a thing on a single page. Some control blocks are OCO and others are documented with text derived from the mapping macros. I don't know of any pointer diagrams for even a subset. Here's a slightly dated diagram, but it may convey the flavor [thanks to Paul Hrycewicz]: http://www.kcats.org/pub/CB%20Diagram.pdf Michael Stack Product Developer NEON Enterprise Software, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
Michael Stack wrote: At 05:01 PM 4/9/2008 -0300, you wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/08/2008 at 09:00 AM, Stan Weyman [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does anyone have a text, PDF or whatever file that shows the MVS control block layout, offset, fields, relation to other control blocks, etc that is somewhat current? There was a pointer diagram in OS/360 System Control Blocks and some of the earlier System Data Areas manuals, but the system is far too complex these days to fit such a thing on a single page. Some control blocks are OCO and others are documented with text derived from the mapping macros. I don't know of any pointer diagrams for even a subset. Here's a slightly dated diagram, but it may convey the flavor [thanks to Paul Hrycewicz]: http://www.kcats.org/pub/CB%20Diagram.pdf Michael Stack Product Developer NEON Enterprise Software, Inc. It's missing the You are here sign. :-) Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques == call or email to receive a free sample student handout == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
Stan Weyman wrote: Hi there, At one time I had a cheat sheet holding the control blocks, their offsets from other control blocks, fields and offsets to help when traversing through IPCS. I've searched and can't seem to find it again. Does anyone have a text, PDF or whatever file that shows the MVS control block layout, offset, fields, relation to other control blocks, etc that is somewhat current? I'm working with z/OS 1.9 right now. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D180 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D280 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D380 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D480 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D580 -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
Hi Ed, My thanks for the pointers to the Data Areas manuals. I have those here already. They are good when you know the block you are looking for. I'm more interested in the relationship between the blocks starting, obviously, at the PSA. I had a short document that told me what blocks were tagged off of what other blocks to help in running the chain. The data areas don't have this information, just what's in the blocks once you find them. I should have been clearer. My thanks for the help none the less. Stan - Stan Weyman Corporate Information Services System Administrator III Amica Mutual Insurance Company 25 Amica Way Lincoln, RI 02865 voice: 1-800-992-6422 ext. 22679 fax: 1-401-334-2748 email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web:www.amica.com It is always better to remain silent and appear the fool than to open one's mouth and dispel all doubt - Unknown -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets Stan Weyman wrote: Hi there, At one time I had a cheat sheet holding the control blocks, their offsets from other control blocks, fields and offsets to help when traversing through IPCS. I've searched and can't seem to find it again. Does anyone have a text, PDF or whatever file that shows the MVS control block layout, offset, fields, relation to other control blocks, etc that is somewhat current? I'm working with z/OS 1.9 right now. http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D180 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D280 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D380 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D480 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2D580 -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:31:31 -0400 WEYMAN, STANLEY J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: : My thanks for the pointers to the Data Areas manuals. I have those :here already. They are good when you know the block you are looking :for. I'm more interested in the relationship between the blocks :starting, obviously, at the PSA. I had a short document that told me :what blocks were tagged off of what other blocks to help in running the :chain. The data areas don't have this information, just what's in the :blocks once you find them. The blocks state what points to them. -- Binyamin Dissen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEYMAN, STANLEY J. Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets Hi Ed, My thanks for the pointers to the Data Areas manuals. I have those here already. They are good when you know the block you are looking for. I'm more interested in the relationship between the blocks starting, obviously, at the PSA. I had a short document that told me what blocks were tagged off of what other blocks to help in running the chain. The data areas don't have this information, just what's in the blocks once you find them. I should have been clearer. My thanks for the help none the less. I remember somebody, humorously, saying that to do a graphic layout of the z/OS control blocks would take something like a piece of paper the size of a football (US football, not rest-of-the-world football) field, printer in 4 point lettering. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
In a message dated 4/8/2008 9:32:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm more interested in the relationship between the blocks starting, obviously, at the PSA. I had a short document that told me what blocks were tagged off of what other blocks to help in running the chain. The data areas don't have this information, just what's in the blocks once you find them. There are hundreds of blocks, as you already know, since you have the books. Many years ago I saw a drawing of the interrelationships of many of the most important blocks in the control program, and it was close to looking like a bowl of spaghetti. Then there is the huge wall-size chart showing all of DB2's control block interrelationships. This same topic was discussed here within the last year, I think. Check the archives. Landmark Systems built a control block displaying/navigating tool into many of their monitors and also had a dump analyzer as a separate product. Check with Allen Systems if you are willing to pay $$ for this, otherwise use IPCS in a labor-intensive mode. I have no connection with Landmark/ASG any more. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv000316) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
I believe it. I misspoke on the data areas not having most of the information needed to run the chain. I just had a document that had it laid out for me a fashion a bit easier to work with than running through the data areas manuals. It's my own fault for having next to no organizational abilities. Still hoping to find it somewhere on my PC here although years of clutter is making it hard to find g Regards, Stan - Stan Weyman Corporate Information Services System Administrator III Amica Mutual Insurance Company 25 Amica Way Lincoln, RI 02865 voice: 1-800-992-6422 ext. 22679 fax: 1-401-334-2748 email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web:www.amica.com It is always better to remain silent and appear the fool than to open one's mouth and dispel all doubt - Unknown -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of McKown, John Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WEYMAN, STANLEY J. Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets Hi Ed, My thanks for the pointers to the Data Areas manuals. I have those here already. They are good when you know the block you are looking for. I'm more interested in the relationship between the blocks starting, obviously, at the PSA. I had a short document that told me what blocks were tagged off of what other blocks to help in running the chain. The data areas don't have this information, just what's in the blocks once you find them. I should have been clearer. My thanks for the help none the less. I remember somebody, humorously, saying that to do a graphic layout of the z/OS control blocks would take something like a piece of paper the size of a football (US football, not rest-of-the-world football) field, printer in 4 point lettering. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
Yup, am going through the discussion from last year now. Thanks for the response... Regards, Stan - Stan Weyman Corporate Information Services System Administrator III Amica Mutual Insurance Company 25 Amica Way Lincoln, RI 02865 voice: 1-800-992-6422 ext. 22679 fax: 1-401-334-2748 email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] web:www.amica.com It is always better to remain silent and appear the fool than to open one's mouth and dispel all doubt - Unknown -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of (IBM Mainframe Discussion List) Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 10:45 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets In a message dated 4/8/2008 9:32:53 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm more interested in the relationship between the blocks starting, obviously, at the PSA. I had a short document that told me what blocks were tagged off of what other blocks to help in running the chain. The data areas don't have this information, just what's in the blocks once you find them. There are hundreds of blocks, as you already know, since you have the books. Many years ago I saw a drawing of the interrelationships of many of the most important blocks in the control program, and it was close to looking like a bowl of spaghetti. Then there is the huge wall-size chart showing all of DB2's control block interrelationships. This same topic was discussed here within the last year, I think. Check the archives. Landmark Systems built a control block displaying/navigating tool into many of their monitors and also had a dump analyzer as a separate product. Check with Allen Systems if you are willing to pay $$ for this, otherwise use IPCS in a labor-intensive mode. I have no connection with Landmark/ASG any more. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv0003000 016) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:31:31 -0400, WEYMAN, STANLEY J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ed, My thanks for the pointers to the Data Areas manuals. I have those here already. They are good when you know the block you are looking for. I'm more interested in the relationship between the blocks starting, obviously, at the PSA. I had a short document that told me what blocks were tagged off of what other blocks to help in running the chain. The data areas don't have this information, just what's in the blocks once you find them. I should have been clearer. My thanks for the help none the less. No such animal exists these days that I know of. I know what you are looking for though. I remember seeing such a thing in one of those small debugging handbooks (I think VS2) that I came across when I was fairly new to MVS system programming. That was when I started to write IPLINFO in order to learn REXX better and how the control blocks fit together. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
snip Hi there, At one time I had a cheat sheet holding the control blocks, their offsets from other control blocks, fields and offsets to help when traversing through IPCS. I've searched and can't seem to find it again. Does anyone have a text, PDF or whatever file that shows the MVS control block layout, offset, fields, relation to other control blocks, etc that is somewhat current? I'm working with z/OS 1.9 right now. Thanks as always for any help. Regards, Stan ---unsnip-- The last time I saw anything like that, it was printed, in various colors, on about 30 sheets of mylar and punched for standard 3-hole binders. An explosion in a spaghetti factory looks downright orderly compared to all the pointers and links I saw. :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:04:08 -0500, Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 10:31:31 -0400, WEYMAN, STANLEY J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ed, My thanks for the pointers to the Data Areas manuals. I have those here already. They are good when you know the block you are looking for. I'm more interested in the relationship between the blocks starting, obviously, at the PSA. I had a short document that told me what blocks were tagged off of what other blocks to help in running the chain. The data areas don't have this information, just what's in the blocks once you find them. I should have been clearer. My thanks for the help none the less. No such animal exists these days that I know of. I know what you are looking for though. I remember seeing such a thing in one of those small debugging handbooks (I think VS2) that I came across when I was fairly new to MVS system programming. That was when I started to write IPLINFO in order to learn REXX better and how the control blocks fit together. Here's a picture of what I was thinking of near the bottom of this link: http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/ibmsongbook.html The left side of the picture does indeed say OS/VS2 Debugging Handbook Volume 1. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS-MVS Control Block Layout - Offsets
On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 12:26:13 -0400, Rob Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stan, IMI Computing produced an A2 sheet that mapped most of the important MVS/XA control blocks - I still have mine - and my wife still reminds me of the time I tried to persuade her that we could have a quilt cover custom made with them all printed on it. That reminded me that I still have MVS Control Blocks by Hank Murphy (part of the J. Ranade IBM Series - McGraw-Hill). Lots of pictures and sample code in there. I just found a copy using google for $59. -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
