Re: TN3270 emulator on Linux.
My apologies, I have not followed this link, but... I use x3270 from SuSE. Easy to install, not too difficult to customize (PF-KEYS) no CUT/PASTE function(yet)... My 2cents worth... Regards Herbie * This email and any attachments are confidential and intended for the sole use of the intended recipient(s).If you receive this email in error please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete it from your system. Any unauthorized dissemination, retransmission, or copying of this email and any attachments is prohibited. Euroconex does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence, which may arise from the use of email. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. This message has been scanned for known computer viruses. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 emulator on Linux.
John McKown writes: Well, no, the best would be for some really good programmer to take their product and use a cross platform GUI toolkit. Really no need. There are several Linux-compatible 3270 terminal emulation products. A very professional-grade one is IBM's: WebSphere Host On-Demand. That's exactly what IBM did starting over 10 years ago: use a cross-platform GUI. It's now Version 10, and IBM didn't skip any numbers to get there. Also works on Mac, Windows, and even UNIX clients. I think this issue came up before on IBM-MAIN, so there's probably some more discussion in the searchable archives. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 emulator on Linux.
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/22/2007 at 08:25 AM, R.S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It seems the best we can do with Linux is to emulate Windows and run windows applications g That may be the best that *you* can do; I don't run any windoze applications. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 emulator on Linux.
McKown, John wrote: I run Linux at home, not Windows. I use a VPN to get into work. In the past, I've used x3270 to do 3270 type work. I recently got Crossover Linux which can run __some__ MS Windows application under Linux. Just for fun, I tried an old version of QWS3270 that I purchased from JollyGiant software on it. It worked very well. I was just wondering if anybody else out there use Linux as their desktop with Crossover Linux and tried any other TN3270 emulator. It seems the best we can do with Linux is to emulate Windows and run windows applications g (Disclaimer: I'm not Windows fan.) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2007 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci opacony) wynosi 118.064.140 z. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchwa XVI WZ z dnia 21.05.2003 r., kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 118.760.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 emulator on Linux.
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 emulator on Linux. McKown, John wrote: I run Linux at home, not Windows. I use a VPN to get into work. In the past, I've used x3270 to do 3270 type work. I recently got Crossover Linux which can run __some__ MS Windows application under Linux. Just for fun, I tried an old version of QWS3270 that I purchased from JollyGiant software on it. It worked very well. I was just wondering if anybody else out there use Linux as their desktop with Crossover Linux and tried any other TN3270 emulator. It seems the best we can do with Linux is to emulate Windows and run windows applications g (Disclaimer: I'm not Windows fan.) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland Well, no, the best would be for some really good programmer to take their product and use a cross platform GUI toolkit. I have considered the possibility of taking the x3270 source code (love Open Source) and seeing if I could make it into a Qt program (Qt is a windowing toolkit by Trolltech). Unfortunately, I have run into some problems, including but not limited to (1) lack of understanding of the TN3270 protocol; (2) lack of understanding the Qt toolkit; (3) lack of talent. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
TN3270 emulator on Linux.
I run Linux at home, not Windows. I use a VPN to get into work. In the past, I've used x3270 to do 3270 type work. I recently got Crossover Linux which can run __some__ MS Windows application under Linux. Just for fun, I tried an old version of QWS3270 that I purchased from JollyGiant software on it. It worked very well. I was just wondering if anybody else out there use Linux as their desktop with Crossover Linux and tried any other TN3270 emulator. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer HealthMarkets Keeping the Promise of Affordable Coverage Administrative Services Group Information Technology The information contained in this e-mail message may be privileged and/or confidential. It is for intended addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, reproduction, distribution or other use of this communication is strictly prohibited and could, in certain circumstances, be a criminal offense. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply and delete this message without copying or disclosing it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 emulator on Linux.
On 21 May 2007 12:22:49 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) wrote: I run Linux at home, not Windows. I use a VPN to get into work. In the past, I've used x3270 to do 3270 type work. I recently got Crossover Linux which can run __some__ MS Windows application under Linux. Just for fun, I tried an old version of QWS3270 that I purchased from JollyGiant software on it. It worked very well. I was just wondering if anybody else out there use Linux as their desktop with Crossover Linux and tried any other TN3270 emulator. We have some Linux users and some Mac users who use their own programs to connect (windows users use BlueZone).Our LAN support is working on a web based emulator that will replace the Mac software sometime this summer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/27/2005 at 09:53 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: 62x160 = 9920-byte buffer. I thought I had read here and elsewhere that there is a limitation of 8192 on the total buffer size? Not so? Never was, never will be. The limits are 4 Kib, 16 KiB and 64 KiB, depending on the address format. Normally you use 14-bit addresses for a 3290. And I have to agree with Ed on the squint factor, For your eyes, perhaps, not for mine. Of course, I suspect that your distant vision is better than mine :-( -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
Gray Maddry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That kind of cutting is sometimes called block or column mode and many PC editors support that. Ultraedit, ConText, Crimson Editor to name three. And Kedit, which is a CMS XEDIT clone and is thus a lot closer to ISPF than most (and is highly customizable). www.kedit.com. ...phsiii (unpaid shill) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/28/2005 at 07:17 AM, Phil Smith III [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: And Kedit, which is a CMS XEDIT clone No, it's missing key pieces of XEDIT. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On 26 Oct 2005 18:43:29 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) wrote: You must either have very good eyesight or a very large monitor. Anything over 43 lines, and I'm squinting at the screen. I can't speak for Ed's eyes, but I never had trouble reading two side by side 62x80 partitions, or one 62x160 partition. That was on a 17 panel; these days you can do better. This ISPF session has been brought to you by Forever Amber. I have troubles nowadays - but ISPF should let the terminal and the user handle this.Word processors can switch resolution on the fly, showing me what my report looks like, then switch back, allowing me to look at the text at whatever resolution I want. Let my terminal program do the same thing - create a virtual terminal setting that will talk to the terminal program and allow this on-the-fly change. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
62x160 = 9920-byte buffer. I thought I had read here and elsewhere that there is a limitation of 8192 on the total buffer size? Not so? And I have to agree with Ed on the squint factor, though 50 lines isn't too bad on a good large monitor. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:53 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/21/2005 at 10:58 PM, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You must either have very good eyesight or a very large monitor. Anything over 43 lines, and I'm squinting at the screen. I can't speak for Ed's eyes, but I never had trouble reading two side by side 62x80 partitions, or one 62x160 partition. That was on a 17 panel; these days you can do better. _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: 62x160 = 9920-byte buffer. I thought I had read here and elsewhere that there is a limitation of 8192 on the total buffer size? Not so? Time to crack open the 3270 manuals, Peter! There are three kinds of addressing: 12-bit (max 4K buffer), 14-bit (max 16K buffer), and 16-bit (max 64K buffer). Applications can do 12- and 14-bit without batting an eye since the address formats are self-describing.16-bit requires only slightly more work. Maximum buffer sizes notwithstanding, the maximum number of rows is 255. The maximum number of columns is 255. The limiting factor here is ISPF -- not 3270, not TSO, not some myth regarding arbitrary screen dimension limits: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0501L=ibm-mainP=R45606 -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | '-' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
I should have remembered the 14-bit max, I used to work with 3270 datastreams extensivly long ago and far, far away. Never did get to work with 16-bit streams or partitions though. Many thanks for the enlightenment. Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 10:51 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: 62x160 = 9920-byte buffer. I thought I had read here and elsewhere that there is a limitation of 8192 on the total buffer size? Not so? Time to crack open the 3270 manuals, Peter! There are three kinds of addressing: 12-bit (max 4K buffer), 14-bit (max 16K buffer), and 16-bit (max 64K buffer). Applications can do 12- and 14-bit without batting an eye since the address formats are self-describing.16-bit requires only slightly more work. Maximum buffer sizes notwithstanding, the maximum number of rows is 255. The maximum number of columns is 255. The limiting factor here is ISPF -- not 3270, not TSO, not some myth regarding arbitrary screen dimension limits: http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0501L=ibm-mainP=R45606 _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
I would add support for more PC editors. I don't use the GUI interface, but do like to edit on the PC especially for the cutpaste. My have had problems finding editors that work with WSA. For example a popular PC editor Ultraedit won't work. Gray Maddry -Original Message- modified for brevity From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 6:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator) Well, the obvious requirements are 1. Allow multiline text and block cutpaste operations. 2. Support WSA on Linux, with CP interoperability for KDE and GNOME. 3. ATTN support in WSA client. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be subject to the North Carolina Public Records Law and may be disclosed to third parties by an authorized state official. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
On 27 Oct 2005 09:03:06 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martin Kline) wrote: Do any of the PC editors support cutting just selected columns from multiple lines? For example, on TN3270 I can cut and paste columns 10-20 from rows 2-5, and do NOT get columns 1-9 or beyond column 20 for any line. When I try this on any of the PC editors I've used, they want to copy columns 10 through end-of-line from row 2, all of rows 3-4, and columns 1- 20 from row 5. That just never works out too well for my mainframe source files. Yes. Emacs has supported rectangle selection for years. The old Codewright editor (lately from Borland) also supported block cut, copy and paste. I'm sure that these are not the only two PC-based editors supporting this type of feature. Eric -- Eric Chevalier E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tulsagrammer.com Is that call really worth your child's life? HANG UP AND DRIVE! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/21/2005 at 03:19 PM, Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Back from the dead? Not unlike Mark Twain's experience, the rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated. The rumors were that it was functionally stabilized. Given it's current limitations, that's dead in the context of my message. A rumor got started that Raleigh wanted to stabilize WSA. (BTW, the rumor was true. But there's a tremendous difference between wanting to do something and actually doing it.) After the product was relocated to OZ, the decision was made *not* to stabilize WSA. Are you sure? If so, that's good news. In a fairly recent conversation on this subject, the ISPF development team in OZ suggested that if I had specific requirements for WSA, they would be interested to hear what they were. Well, the obvious requirements are 1. Allow multiline text and block cutpaste operations. 2. Support WSA on Linux, with CP interoperability for KDE and GNOME. 3. ATTN support in WSA client. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/21/2005 at 10:58 PM, Dave Salt [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You must either have very good eyesight or a very large monitor. Anything over 43 lines, and I'm squinting at the screen. I can't speak for Ed's eyes, but I never had trouble reading two side by side 62x80 partitions, or one 62x160 partition. That was on a 17 panel; these days you can do better. This ISPF session has been brought to you by Forever Amber. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/22/2005 at 12:04 AM, Gerhard Postpischil [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Every mod 5 I've ever used was 132*27. But on the 3180 and some other models, the screen size was variable under program control regardless of the model setting. nit The 3180 model setting allowed 4 basic values and four extended values; you could only force the configuration with BIND for the extended model numbers. I don't recall whether explicit partition was supported for the basic model numbers, but I suspect not. /nit -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/22/2005 at 09:45 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Would this support concurrent sessions with different active TIOTs? No. Is this the dreaded ISPGUI? It's related. I'd favor an approach which writes classic 327x data streams to a socket, and instructions for modifying an open-source x3270 client to function as an agent. That also would not this support concurrent sessions with different active TIOTs. The ISPGUI window was just plain ugly. That doesn't mean that IBM couldn't fix it. But does (did?) WSA support dynamic resizing of the window? Yes, AFAIK. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Bravo! But you do realize, don't you, that you're trying to drag the mainframe, user interface kicking and screaming, into the 21st century? (Well, maybe, at least the 1980's.) I have users of a class with a minority requirement. They wish to edit mainframe files with the genuine ISPF/PDF. And, I'd like to provide a facility where they can click on a menu item on the workstation and launch ISPF/PDF for that file, running on the mainframe, and displaying on the workstation, without contention from other sessions the user may have active on the mainframe. I experimented with REXEC launching ISPGUI. ISPGUI is ugly. Does ISPGUI support color? I'd still like the real McCoy. As for the lack of a Linux agent mentioned elsewhere in this thread, hasn't IBM heard of the multi-platform X11 protocol? Has IBM responded to your requirements? Oh, you haven't written requirements? My mistake. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note unmask] said: Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 08:52:04 -0600 To do this, the mainframe has to give the power to the terminal program - allowing it to ask for as many rows and columns as it wants, without assuming a particular terminal size. Bravo! But you do realize, don't you, that you're trying to drag the mainframe, user interface kicking and screaming, into the 21st century? (Well, maybe, at least the 1980's.) As for ISPGUI vs. WSA, etc., I have users of a class with a minority requirement. They wish to edit mainframe files with the genuine ISPF/PDF. Many of them are using clones: UniSPF, THE, etc. And, I'd like to provide a facility where they can click on a menu item on the workstation and launch ISPF/PDF for that file, running on the mainframe, and displaying on the workstation, without contention from other sessions the user may have active on the mainframe. I experimented with REXEC launching ISPGUI. ISPGUI is ugly. Does ISPGUI support color? I'd still like the real McCoy. And it's moronic that in order to determine whether ISPGUI should be allowed to open a window on the workstation, ISPGUI opens a window to ask the user. Ironically, it's easy to use REXEC to launch xterm on the mainframe, starting a vi session, displaying on the workstation. But this provides no particular benefit to anyone. All the files of interest are NFS mounted on both mainframe and workstation, so transfer is not a concern. What's wrong with FTP, anyway? As for the lack of a Linux agent mentioned elsewhere in this thread, hasn't IBM heard of the multi-platform X11 protocol? -- gil Paul, I think you'll like the WebSphere Developer tool then. It uses APPC, TCP/IP, FTP and the like to connect to the mainframe. You can access mainframe files and edit them on the workstation using something called the LPEX editor (basically an Eclipse editor, I think). You can do this without being logged onto TSO. Or you can also do this while being logged onto TSO! That is, you can have a TSO/ISPF session going at the same time you have a connection to the mainframe from the workstation via WebSphere Developer. Then, you can set it up so that choosing to edit a mainframe file goes and establishes the connection. I'm still learning but there seem to be a lot of nice features here, and very 21st Century. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In a recent note, Bob Shannon said: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2005 07:11:00 -0400 Has IBM responded to your requirements? Oh, you haven't written requirements? My mistake. Mmmm. Good point. But my needs here would readily be satisfied by concurrent TSO/ISPF sessions and scripting in the terminal emulator; most of my nattering and thrashing has been in search of an alternative; a fallback position. And I assumed from the recurrent chatter that concurrent TSO/ISPF sessions is a recognized requirement. But that's jumping to a conclusion. So, what's the truth? Has anyone written a requirement for concurrent session support? (And has IBM responded to it?) -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Paul Gilmartin wrote: ... Has anyone written a requirement for concurrent session support? (And has IBM responded to it?) I believe the answer is No. I have only heard discussions about being logged on to more than one image concurrently -- one session per image. Nothing about generalized concurrent session support -- which I agree would be highly desirable. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
You can supply a host name as the target of the GUI. So, if the machine name of your workstation doesn't change and you use both DHCP DDNS, then you don't need to use an IP address. Worked for me, anyway. Bill On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 00:00:00 GMT, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated ... There was a paper out there a couple of years ago explaining in simple terms how to set it up. I tried it; it worked well until we went DHCP and I couldn't guarantee my PC IP address was a constant. Two questions: 1. Does anybody know of this paper? 2. Is the DHCP address issue resolved? I liked the working environment, except for a few editing gliches. Also, it was difficult in Canada to get a version not in French. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On 21 Oct 2005 15:58:18 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Salt) wrote: You must either have very good eyesight or a very large monitor. Anything over 43 lines, and I'm squinting at the screen. I wouldn't dream of setting my monitor to 62 rows, never mind anything larger than that. Unless, perhaps, I hook my PC up to a large screen projection TV...;-) What I want is the ability to on the fly change resolution of some output I am looking at. It can be extreme and hard to read, but I'm only doing so for a moment - maybe to review the report to make sure everything was centered.Then I zoom in to a readable level. To do this, the mainframe has to give the power to the terminal program - allowing it to ask for as many rows and columns as it wants, without assuming a particular terminal size. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 9:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator On 21 Oct 2005 15:58:18 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Salt) wrote: You must either have very good eyesight or a very large monitor. Anything over 43 lines, and I'm squinting at the screen. I wouldn't dream of setting my monitor to 62 rows, never mind anything larger than that. Unless, perhaps, I hook my PC up to a large screen projection TV...;-) What I want is the ability to on the fly change resolution of some output I am looking at. It can be extreme and hard to read, but I'm only doing so for a moment - maybe to review the report to make sure everything was centered.Then I zoom in to a readable level. To do this, the mainframe has to give the power to the terminal program - allowing it to ask for as many rows and columns as it wants, without assuming a particular terminal size. Howard, IIRC, Windows has some accessability features which magnify the screen area around the mouse cursor. Or maybe it was an add-on. I cannot find it on the WinXP that I'm running here at work. -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
Dave and Ed make me want to take another look at the WSA (yes, I was one of those who looked at ISPGUI, said yuck, and walked away). Unfortunately, Linux support doesn't appear to be available - not at my downlevel OS release anyway. Have they fixed this? -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On 24 Oct 2005 08:05:02 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown, John) wrote: IIRC, Windows has some accessability features which magnify the screen area around the mouse cursor. Or maybe it was an add-on. I cannot find it on the WinXP that I'm running here at work. That's not what I'm looking for - what I'm looking for is to have my TSO/SPF session to be completely configurable within an edit session. I tell my terminal program to expand to 200 columns while editing, it does so. I tell it to go back to 80 columns, it does so. We no longer use 3270 terminals, we shouldn't be tied to that technology anymore.ISPF should add a new terminal format that is designed to be used by PC software that can use it - which allows variable screen size. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
From: David Andrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave and Ed make me want to take another look at the WSA (yes, I was one of those who looked at ISPGUI, said yuck, and walked away). Unfortunately, Linux support doesn't appear to be available - not at my downlevel OS release anyway. Have they fixed this? I don't use Linux so I can't answer that question. But, given that IBM has said they've not given up on WSA and that they're actively promoting the use of Linux you'd think this would give you a reasonable opportunity to ask IBM to enhance WSA so it can peacefully co-exist with Linux. Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said: Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 14:00:40 -0300 Kludgey, but how about: Bletch! There are cleaner ways to handle it: See above. 1. Use explicit partitions Would this support concurrent sessions with different active TIOTs? 2. Bring WSA back from the dead and fix it. Is this the dreaded ISPGUI? I'd favor an approach which writes classic 327x data streams to a socket, and instructions for modifying an open-source x3270 client to function as an agent. The ISPGUI window was just plain ugly. But does (did?) WSA support dynamic resizing of the window? Ain't entirely rocket science, nowadays. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
Paul Gilmartin wrote: In a recent note, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) said: 2. Bring WSA back from the dead and fix it. Is this the dreaded ISPGUI? I'd favor an approach which writes classic 327x data streams to a socket, and instructions for modifying an open-source x3270 client to function as an agent. The ISPGUI window was just plain ugly. But does (did?) WSA support dynamic resizing of the window? Ain't entirely rocket science, nowadays. Your idea of passing 327x streams to a socket is weak compared to what WSA already does. You're making the classic mistake of confusing the WSA (Workstation Agent) with the ISPF GUI. The ISPF GUI is just one component of the WSA. Other capabilities of WSA include the ability to edit workstation files on the mainframe or mainframe files on the workstation, the ability to transfer members to/from the workstation simply by selecting them from a member list, etc. Please understand, these features are available even if you're using ISPF from a 3270 emulator! IBM went to considerable trouble to develop the WSA and integrate it with ISPF. Unfortunately, most users take one look at the GUI, say Yuck, and move on -- thus remaining completely ignorant of the WSA's most-powerful features. If more people learned how useful the WSA can be, there would be more mind share generated. More mind share means more enhancements. More enhancements means more mind share. And so on ... -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | '-' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
WSA versus ISPGUI (was: TN3270 Emulator)
From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. Bring WSA back from the dead and fix it. Is this the dreaded ISPGUI? The ISPGUI window was just plain ugly. Gil, In my opinion, the ISPF WorkStation Agent (WSA) is brilliant, but I agree with you that ISPGUI leaves much to be desired. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people confuse WSA with ISPGUI and this is a real shame because it casts WSA in a bad light when really it shouldn't. The WSA brings several things to the table, only ONE of which is the ability to run ISPF in GUI mode. I think what happens is people install the WSA, immediately check out ISPF in GUI mode, dislike it, and never use the WSA ever again. The WSA does much more than just allow ISPF to run in GUI mode. For example, it allows mainframe files to be viewed or edited on a workstation, or workstation files to be viewed or edited on a mainframe. It also simplifies file transfer; e.g. simply select the members you want to transfer from a member list. These are really great features of WSA and I think they're vastly underutilized. I very rarely run ISPF in GUI mode, but I use WSA each and every day. Coming back to the GUI for a moment; no, you can't resize the window (at least, not in the sense you mean). It has a maximum fixed window size, so you can't (for example) add more rows by dragging the bottom of the window down. You can drag the edges in to make the window smaller, in which case it 'hides' a portion of the screen (i.e. the font size remains static). But this in itself can have some advantages. For example, in non-GUI mode you can only see 2 split screen sessions. But in GUI mode, you can see any and all of your split screen sessions at the same time. So you could (for example) have 4 split screen sessions and have each one visible in a different corner of your monitor. In normal situations I would never run ISPF in GUI mode. But in certain rare situations (e.g. where I might want to visibly compare the contents of 3 different files), the ability to run ISPF in GUI mode is yet another advantage of the WSA. Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
From: Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your idea of passing 327x streams to a socket is weak compared to what WSA already does. You're making the classic mistake of confusing the WSA (Workstation Agent) with the ISPF GUI. The ISPF GUI is just one component of the WSA. Other capabilities of WSA include the ability to edit workstation files on the mainframe or mainframe files on the workstation, the ability to transfer members to/from the workstation simply by selecting them from a member list, etc. Please understand, these features are available even if you're using ISPF from a 3270 emulator! IBM went to considerable trouble to develop the WSA and integrate it with ISPF. Unfortunately, most users take one look at the GUI, say Yuck, and move on -- thus remaining completely ignorant of the WSA's most-powerful features. If more people learned how useful the WSA can be, there would be more mind share generated. More mind share means more enhancements. More enhancements means more mind share. And so on ... Ed, I can't believe it. I wrote my response about the WSA (and even renamed the subject to 'WSA versus ISPGUI') before reading your response. Our comments about the WSA being confused with ISPGUI were almost identical! :-) Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
From: Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Still wondering: is WSA the same as ISPGUI? No, they're 2 completely different things. ISPGUI requires the WSA, just like WordPad requires Windows. But that doesn't make them the same. Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
Dave Salt wrote: Ed, I can't believe it. I wrote my response about the WSA (and even renamed the subject to 'WSA versus ISPGUI') before reading your response. Our comments about the WSA being confused with ISPGUI were almost identical! That's what generally happens when you state obvious facts. If we were independently asked to calculate the sum of two plus two, our responses would have been nearly identical in that case as well! Changing the subject line is just good list etiquette. An alternative explanation, for those who believe in such things, is that we have some sort of psychic connection. ;-) -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | '-' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
From: Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] An alternative explanation, for those who believe in such things, is that we have some sort of psychic connection. ;-) Is that in any way similar to a workstation connection, or are they 2 different things? :-) Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
In a message dated 10/22/2005 1:17:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An alternative explanation, for those who believe in such things, is that we have some sort of psychic connection. ;-) Probably need a new number for psychic friends Help Desk. 'I've got a problem' 'We know...' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
On Oct 22, 2005, at 2:09 PM, Ed Finnell wrote: In a message dated 10/22/2005 1:17:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: An alternative explanation, for those who believe in such things, is that we have some sort of psychic connection. ;-) Probably need a new number for psychic friends Help Desk. 'I've got a problem' 'We know...' Now get a 1-900 number and you can make money!:) Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/18/2005 at 08:33 AM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Kludgey, but how about: When the user changes the terminal size (by dragging the lower right corner with the mouse, even as he does with a dumb emulator), the emulator responds to the next I/O from the host with a SCREEN I/O ERROR (What I get nowadays when I reconnect with a different size screen). The host issues another WSF query, and updates the screen geometry definition. Bletch! There are cleaner ways to handle it: 1. Use explicit partitions 2. Bring WSA back from the dead and fix it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/18/2005 at 08:43 AM, McKown, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You mean you want more than two different screen sizes? That is not particularily a TSO restriction, it is a 3270 data stream restriction. No it isn't. A 3270 can only have two different screen sized, based on the 3270 architecture. Untrue, and has been for decades. In order to have n different screen sizes would be a horrendous challange to TSO and VTAM as well. No. First, IBM would need to implement a new write command (WRITE/ERASE SELECT SIZE or something like that). BTDTGTTS. It's called WSF. But then they'd need to update the defination of LU type 2 in VTAM to handle n possible screen sizes. No. VTAM has had the required support for decades. Now TSO must keep track of the various possible screen sizes and select the most appropriate one. Why? That's an application function, unless you're running SM. TSO just has to pass on the data stream, which it already has the code to do. Oh, the TN3270E defination and emulators would need to be updated to support this as well. No. The old ones would continue to work. And always remember that the 3270 data stream does __NOT__ tell how to position the current write location using x,y coordinates. An application that switches geometry is responsible for keeping track of what it did. That was true as far back as the 3278-5. This would be very expensive for a dying technology. No. The existing VTAM and VTIOC code are fine as they are; you only need new TSO code if you want Session Manager to support variable geometry. The major change would be in ISPF, to generalize the existing 3290 support. If it were me, I'd be looking at something to totally replace TSO. Oh, wait, that is WSED No it isn't. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: 2. Bring WSA back from the dead and fix it. Back from the dead? Not unlike Mark Twain's experience, the rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated. WSA isn't dead. But it's astonishing how many people believe that it is. A rumor got started that Raleigh wanted to stabilize WSA. (BTW, the rumor was true. But there's a tremendous difference between wanting to do something and actually doing it.) After the product was relocated to OZ, the decision was made *not* to stabilize WSA. In a fairly recent conversation on this subject, the ISPF development team in OZ suggested that if I had specific requirements for WSA, they would be interested to hear what they were. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
A 3270 can only have two different screen sized, based on the 3270
architecture.
...
A mod-2: 80x24
A mod-3: 80x32
A mod-4: 80x43
A mod-5: Variable
... With only one hand, I can count more than 2.
And, in a previous life I played around with PCOM's variable settings and
managed to create a 90x48 screen (small font was hard on the eyes).
This was restricted by TSOKEYxx and ACF2 (at the time) had a bug that it
couldn't find your password when typed in on line 2 (Enter Password after I
typed in LOGONenter
useridenter
).
Or, at least, it manifested itself as an ACF2 error message.
Nobody (including me) found it worth chasing down.
I MUST have had a LOT of time on my hands that day. (8-{]}
-teD
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All others bring data!
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Re: TN3270 Emulator
Ted MacNEIL wrote: A 3270 can only have two different screen sized, based on the 3270 architecture. ... A mod-2: 80x24 A mod-3: 80x32 A mod-4: 80x43 A mod-5: Variable ... With only one hand, I can count more than 2. And, in a previous life I played around with PCOM's variable settings and managed to create a 90x48 screen (small font was hard on the eyes). Duh! He meant two at a time! The primary (default) screen size is used when an Erase/Write (EW) command is issued. The alternate screen size is used when an Erase/Write Alternate (EWA) command is issued. http://publibfp.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr/BOOKS/cn7p4000/3.5 BTW, I use PCOM and set most of my screens to 62x132. I would go deeper (more rows), but ISPF 3270 support is *lame* -- supporting no more than 62 rows at the present time. :-( Others here that don't use ISPF much if at all use 72 rows, 90 rows, etc. -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
From: Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] the rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated. WSA isn't dead. But it's astonishing how many people believe that it is. I use the WSA every single day; mostly for transfering files to and from the mainframe, but also for browsing/editing/printing/viewing (etc.) mainframes files on the PC or PC files on the mainframe. I couldn't live without it, and I'm astonished how many people have never used it. If IBM is taking requirements for WSA, here's one: PLEASE make sure it continues to work when the new Windows operating system comes out next year!! Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
From: Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use PCOM and set most of my screens to 62x132. I would go deeper (more rows), but ISPF 3270 support is *lame* -- supporting no more than 62 rows at the present time. :-( Others here that don't use ISPF much if at all use 72 rows, 90 rows, etc. You must either have very good eyesight or a very large monitor. Anything over 43 lines, and I'm squinting at the screen. I wouldn't dream of setting my monitor to 62 rows, never mind anything larger than that. Unless, perhaps, I hook my PC up to a large screen projection TV...;-) Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
rumors of WSA's demise were greatly exaggerated ... There was a paper out there a couple of years ago explaining in simple terms how to set it up. I tried it; it worked well until we went DHCP and I couldn't guarantee my PC IP address was a constant. Two questions: 1. Does anybody know of this paper? 2. Is the DHCP address issue resolved? I liked the working environment, except for a few editing gliches. Also, it was difficult in Canada to get a version not in French. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Duh! He meant two at a time! ... Having never programmed a 3270 data-stream, I didn't understand. Remember: Ignorance is curable. Stupidity lasts forever! -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Dave Salt wrote: From: Edward E. Jaffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I use PCOM and set most of my screens to 62x132. I would go deeper (more rows), but ISPF 3270 support is *lame* -- supporting no more than 62 rows at the present time. :-( Others here that don't use ISPF much if at all use 72 rows, 90 rows, etc. You must either have very good eyesight or a very large monitor. Anything over 43 lines, and I'm squinting at the screen. I wouldn't dream of setting my monitor to 62 rows, never mind anything larger than that. Unless, perhaps, I hook my PC up to a large screen projection TV...;-) My monitor is a Dell UltraSharp 2000FP. Bought it when they were new. Old technology by now, but still a great monitor. I drive it with an A-BIT RADEON X600 series (ATI chip set) digital adapter via DVI-D digital cable interface. The resolution is 1600x1200 -- providing a one-for-one mapping between hardware and software pixels. It's fast and clear! Since I write so much assembler language code, I use a logmode with 62x80 primary and 62x132 alternate. When I'm editing source code, I get the 62x80 size and it's easy to read (IMHO). In fact, being able to see that much code on the screen all at once is a tremendous help. The 62x132 size is great for looking at listings, job queues, syslog/operlog, source-level debugging with z/XDC and -- last but not least -- reading dumps with IPCS. I couldn't _imagine_ going back to a small size! Like I said, my screens are small compared to others at PSI that don't need ISPF. I would go bigger, but ISPF won't let me. :-( -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
That quote is subtly wrong, here is the one I have always quoted: Ignorance is curable, only stupidity is fatal. Robert Heinlein, The Notebooks of Lazarus Long (Part of his Methuselah series, collected in The Past Thru Tomorrow if memory serves. Which it might not, but what the hey, it's still Friday). Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 7:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator Snipped Remember: Ignorance is curable. Stupidity lasts forever! _ This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Ignorance is curable, only stupidity is fatal. ... I saw the quote long before the book came out. But, I'm not going to get into a COMPARE LONG The quote was on a poster in kindergarten, when I was in kindergarten. I didn't understand it until many years later. -teD In God we Trust! All others bring data! -- W. Edwards Deming -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: ISPF WSA (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
From: Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] There was a paper out there a couple of years ago explaining in simple terms how to set it (WSA) up. I tried it; it worked well until we went DHCP and I couldn't guarantee my PC IP address was a constant. Two questions: 1. Does anybody know of this paper? 2. Is the DHCP address issue resolved? Ted, Are you refering to the article I wrote that was published in the Spring 2004 edition of TSO Times? If so, you can get to it by going to http://www.tsotimes.com. Click 'archives' in the top left corner of the web page, then click 'The Workstation (WS) Component of ISPF'. As for constantly changing IP addresses, SimpList has a feature that might help. If you initiate any action that requires a workstation connection (for example, select a data set for file transfer, or select a member to edit on a workstation editor, etc.), SimpList will determine if a workstation connection already exists. If it doesn't, SimpList will dynamically determine the IP address to connect to (note: this requires a direct TSO/Telnet connection). If you don't have a direct TSO/Telnet connection you can supply a static IP address. Either way, SimpList will automatically set up the workstation connection. You can also set it up so SimpList will prompt you to supply an IP address. No matter how you do it, it makes setting up a workstation connection really easy. Plus, once you have a workstation connection set up, SimpList gives you a lot more options than those found in native ISPF. Hope this helps, Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - The easiest, most powerful way to surf a mainframe! http://www.mackinney.com/products/SIM/simplist.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Ted MacNEIL wrote: A mod-2: 80x24 A mod-3: 80x32 A mod-4: 80x43 A mod-5: Variable Every mod 5 I've ever used was 132*27. But on the 3180 and some other models, the screen size was variable under program control regardless of the model setting. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/19/2005 at 12:34 AM, Gerhard Postpischil [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Does a 3180 qualify as a 3270? Surely, as do the 3192 and 3194. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/17/2005 at 11:32 AM, Natarajan Mohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The cheapest of all could be Mocha TN3270. No. The least expensive is free, e.g., x3270. Whether thus are adequate for your needs, or whether a commercial product would be cost effective, is something that can only be answered in the context of your shop. I have to admit a prejudice in favor of one of the products that supports explicit partitions, e.g., BZ, but it's not my budget. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. I haven't seen too much mention yet of migration issues -- Attachmate macros, Excel spreadsheets which are using Attachmate's APIs, etc. I'm quite familiar with converting one of the 50 U.S. states from Attachmate (statewide) to Host On-Demand (statewide), and you do need some due diligence around that issue, starting with making sure the default keyboard layout is identical to ease users' transition. (Yes, they successfully converted.) In the specific case of Host On-Demand there are some migration tools available. And the deployment was easy. There are even some Linux desktop users now, and those work fine, too. Yes, they do serve HOD directly from z/OS. And they do have a few users (SAS, I think) that require GDDM. Please note that I'm biased. :-) - - - - - Timothy F. Sipples Consulting Enterprise Software Architect IBM Americas zSeries/z9 Software Phone: +1 312 529 1612 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Hi All, First, thanks to all for the many responses to my post. Here's an (informal) favorite TN3270 Emulator tally: 1) Vista - 11 Votes 2) BlueZone - 5 Votes 3) Mocha - 2 Votes 4) PComm - 2 Votes 5) Host Explorer - 1 Vote 6) Passport - 1 Vote 7) TN3270+ - 1 Vote 8) x3270 - 1 Vote 9) Rumba - 1 Vote 10) HOD - 1 Vote I've been test-driving Vista for the past couple of days. Very nice. I'll also probably test-drive BlueZone. Thanks! *BobL* -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
This is interesting, not one vote for the JollyGiant QWS3270 product. I'm curious to know if people have an opinion on this product. Its the one I use and performs pretty well for me. John Lang Central Coast Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lester, Bob Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator Hi All, First, thanks to all for the many responses to my post. Here's an (informal) favorite TN3270 Emulator tally: 1) Vista - 11 Votes 2) BlueZone - 5 Votes 3) Mocha - 2 Votes 4) PComm - 2 Votes 5) Host Explorer - 1 Vote 6) Passport - 1 Vote 7) TN3270+ - 1 Vote 8) x3270 - 1 Vote 9) Rumba - 1 Vote 10) HOD - 1 Vote I've been test-driving Vista for the past couple of days. Very nice. I'll also probably test-drive BlueZone. Thanks! *BobL* -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
(fwd) RE: TN3270 Emulator
On 19 Oct 2005 11:02:55 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lester, Bob) wrote: Hi All, First, thanks to all for the many responses to my post. Here's an (informal) favorite TN3270 Emulator tally: 1) Vista - 11 Votes 2) BlueZone - 5 Votes 3) Mocha - 2 Votes 4) PComm - 2 Votes 5) Host Explorer - 1 Vote 6) Passport - 1 Vote 7) TN3270+ - 1 Vote 8) x3270 - 1 Vote 9) Rumba - 1 Vote 10) HOD - 1 Vote I've been test-driving Vista for the past couple of days. Very nice. I'll also probably test-drive BlueZone. Thanks! *BobL* -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
An excellent product set which has grown up to include SSL and FTP client. http://www.jollygiant.com/ The original author Jim Rymerson is still there and at least several years ago still directly involved in making fixes to the product. I worked with Jim several times on issues with extended format data streams and he was always quick to resolve the problem and provide an updated copy to us for use in the lab to help him resolve the mutual client problem. IIRC Jim was a CICS applications programmer originally. I have owned a copy and updated it several times though I have not personally tried out the most current release or the FTP client. It is certainly worth consideration. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John H. Lang Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 2:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator This is interesting, not one vote for the JollyGiant QWS3270 product. I'm curious to know if people have an opinion on this product. Its the one I use and performs pretty well for me. John Lang Central Coast Software This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Try looking at PASSPORT PC TO HOST or PASSPORT WEB to HOST from Zephyr. You won't get better especially price wise. http://www.zephyrcorp.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:38:11 +0200, Michael Knigge [EMAIL PROTECTED] SOFTWARE.DE wrote: Lester, Bob schrieb: What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Vista - http://www.tombrennansoftware.com Cheap and *GREAT!* Best Emulation I've ever used. Bye Michael -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html I can Second That !! Scott -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:03:40 -0500, Tom Longfellow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got through configuring Bluezone Web to Host. I saw an option for whether to create those Windows Desktop icons. The default is to create them, but it looks like it could be turned off. Is that a client side setting or a server side? I looked for that setting on my client settings and did not find it. Help shows me: The BlueZone Session Manager provides a graphical environment for the purpose of viewing and managing BlueZone emulation client sessions. BlueZone Session Manager can be used to launch pre-configured sessions, create new sessions, delete sessions and create desktop icons. BlueZone Session Manager can be automatically installed with BlueZone Desktop. During the BlueZone Desktop installation, you can choose whether or not you want Session Manager to start automatically with Windows. This feature is controlled by the BlueZone Administrator. Looks like it might not be a user option. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
I wish IBM would upgrade TSO/ISPF so that it didn't assume one of its old terminals. An improved virtual terminal could be designed that could switch between 80, 133 or even 250 columns wide while editing a file, for instance. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 07:13:39AM -0500, Scott Doherty wrote: On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 13:38:11 +0200, Michael Knigge [EMAIL PROTECTED] SOFTWARE.DE wrote: Lester, Bob schrieb: What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Vista - http://www.tombrennansoftware.com Cheap and *GREAT!* Best Emulation I've ever used. I can Second That !! Me too. Vista is one of the few that's good enough to satisfy MCS, which is very, very picky about how the 3270 behaves. Tom's a good guy, very quick to fix reported bugs. He's also a systems programmer who uses the program daily. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.cx http://www.tronguy.net (Yes, that's me!) http://jmaynard.livejournal.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:10:30 -0600, Lester, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, I've snipped the rest of you message for future reference. Thanks to all that have responded to this thread. Vista seems to be the favorite. Thanks! One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned about Vista yet. It doesn't support GDDM graphics like some of the more expensive emulators (PCOM, Rumba, Extra). This probably is not an issue for most, but if you need that support you won't find it in Vista. There hasn't been any GDDM usage around here since prior to Y2K. I think QMF used to require the loadlib be avialable when you invoked it, but I'm pretty sure that was changed a while back also. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:12 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator I wish IBM would upgrade TSO/ISPF so that it didn't assume one of its old terminals. An improved virtual terminal could be designed that could switch between 80, 133 or even 250 columns wide while editing a file, for instance. You mean you want more than two different screen sizes? That is not particularily a TSO restriction, it is a 3270 data stream restriction. A 3270 can only have two different screen sized, based on the 3270 architecture. There is the normal size (usually, but not necessarily 24x80) which is switched to with the ERASE/WRITE command. There is the alternate size (whatever is specified in the emulator/VTAM BIND image) which is switched to with the ERASE/WRITE ALTERNATE command. In order to have n different screen sizes would be a horrendous challange to TSO and VTAM as well. First, IBM would need to implement a new write command (WRITE/ERASE SELECT SIZE or something like that). But then they'd need to update the defination of LU type 2 in VTAM to handle n possible screen sizes. Now TSO must keep track of the various possible screen sizes and select the most appropriate one. Oh, the TN3270E defination and emulators would need to be updated to support this as well. And always remember that the 3270 data stream does __NOT__ tell how to position the current write location using x,y coordinates. It uses buffer addresses which are basically number of bytes from the beginning of the screen image. The TN3270E emulator converts whese to actual x,y positions on the screen. This would be very expensive for a dying technology. If it were me, I'd be looking at something to totally replace TSO. Oh, wait, that is WSED (or whatever it is called now). -- John McKown Senior Systems Programmer UICI Insurance Center Information Technology This message (including any attachments) contains confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose, and its' content is protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient, you should delete this message and are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, or distribution of this transmission, or taking any action based on it, is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Hi Mark, I noticed that as well. No big deal here anyhow. It also doesn't have SSL or SSH support. Not sure if that's a big deal yet. Thanks! *BobL* | -Original Message- | From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Behalf Of Mark Zelden | Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 7:37 AM | To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU | Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator | | | One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned about Vista | yet. It doesn't | support GDDM graphics like some of the more expensive | emulators (PCOM, | Rumba, Extra). This probably is not an issue for most, but | if you need | that support you won't find it in Vista. There hasn't been any GDDM | usage around here since prior to Y2K. I think QMF used to | require | the loadlib be avialable when you invoked it, but I'm | pretty sure that | was changed a while back also. | | Mark | -- | Mark Zelden | Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead | Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group | mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ | Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html | | | -- | For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, | send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET | IBM-MAIN INFO | Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html | | -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Howard and Tom, When BlueZone is deployed via a web server, the desktop icon is configured and controlled by the administrator. It is typically created to provide a mechanism to launch BlueZone sessions in the event that the web server is unavailable. If the web server cannot be contacted, the Session Manager interface pops up, allowing you to run previously saved BlueZone sessions. One of the big objections to Web-to-Host deployment is the reliance on Windows-based web servers that might not be quite as reliable as the mainframe TN3270E server. This feature eliminates that issue. I cannot tell if that is how you are configured without looking at a client system or the server side installation. Feel free to email me off of the list if you would like more detailed information. Best Regards, Steve Bireley Vice-President Product Development Seagull Software www.seagullsoftware.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:03:40 -0500, Tom Longfellow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just got through configuring Bluezone Web to Host. I saw an option for whether to create those Windows Desktop icons. The default is to create them, but it looks like it could be turned off. Is that a client side setting or a server side? I looked for that setting on my client settings and did not find it. Help shows me: The BlueZone Session Manager provides a graphical environment for the purpose of viewing and managing BlueZone emulation client sessions. BlueZone Session Manager can be used to launch pre-configured sessions, create new sessions, delete sessions and create desktop icons. BlueZone Session Manager can be automatically installed with BlueZone Desktop. During the BlueZone Desktop installation, you can choose whether or not you want Session Manager to start automatically with Windows. This feature is controlled by the BlueZone Administrator. Looks like it might not be a user option. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 10:00:04AM -0400, Steve Bireley wrote: One of the big objections to Web-to-Host deployment is the reliance on Windows-based web servers that might not be quite as reliable as the mainframe TN3270E server. This feature eliminates that issue. It's easier to eliminate the issue, though: Don't rely on Windows-based web servers, especially IIS. Anyone who exposes IIS to the open Internet is committing professional malpractice on the level of storing the password of the emergency SPECIAL userid in plaintext in SYS1.SPECPWD. Since this isn't going to be on the open Internet (I hope!), it's not quite as bad, but there are still much better choices than Windows-based web servers, even if you do use Apache. -- Jay Maynard, K5ZC http://www.conmicro.cx http://www.tronguy.net (Yes, that's me!) http://jmaynard.livejournal.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In a recent note, McKown, John said: Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:43:29 -0500 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:12 AM I wish IBM would upgrade TSO/ISPF so that it didn't assume one of its old terminals. An improved virtual terminal could be designed that could switch between 80, 133 or even 250 columns wide while editing a file, for instance. You mean you want more than two different screen sizes? That is not particularily a TSO restriction, it is a 3270 data stream restriction. A 3270 can only have two different screen sized, based on the 3270 architecture. There is the normal size (usually, but not necessarily 24x80) which is switched to with the ERASE/WRITE command. There is the alternate size (whatever is specified in the emulator/VTAM BIND image) which is switched to with the ERASE/WRITE ALTERNATE command. In order to have n different screen sizes would be a horrendous challange to TSO and VTAM as well. First, IBM would need to implement a new write command (WRITE/ERASE SELECT SIZE or something like that). But then they'd need to update the defination of LU type 2 in VTAM to handle n possible screen sizes. Now TSO must keep track of the various possible screen sizes and select the most appropriate one. Oh, the I'm skeptical that this is statically defined. I believe that nowadays I can use any number of columns from 80 to 132 (and more?), and any number of rows from 24 to 62 (more?). That's about 2000 screen geometries. Surely TSO and VTAM just generate the definition dynamically, from the response to a WSF query. TN3270E defination and emulators would need to be updated to support this as well. And always remember that the 3270 data stream does __NOT__ tell how to position the current write location using x,y coordinates. It uses buffer addresses which are basically number of bytes from the beginning of the screen image. The TN3270E emulator converts whese to actual x,y positions on the screen. Kludgey, but how about: When the user changes the terminal size (by dragging the lower right corner with the mouse, even as he does with a dumb emulator), the emulator responds to the next I/O from the host with a SCREEN I/O ERROR (What I get nowadays when I reconnect with a different size screen). The host issues another WSF query, and updates the screen geometry definition. Almost like what z/OS Unix Services does in response to a SIGWINCH from a dumb terminal. This already works well when I reconnect to TSO with a different size screen. ISPF is utterly incapable of handling it. It's ironic that terminals with so much greater capability are called dumb. This would be very expensive for a dying technology. If it were me, I'd be looking at something to totally replace TSO. Oh, wait, that is WSED (or whatever it is called now). RIP. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Vista Graphics Support (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
Mark Zelden wrote: One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned about Vista yet. It doesn't support GDDM graphics like some of the more expensive emulators (PCOM, Rumba, Extra). This probably is not an issue for most, but if you need that support you won't find it in Vista. In the next version (1.25), Tom Brennan has added 3270 graphics (programmed symbol) support to Vista, and it can be used by GDDM. Regards, John Kalinich Computer Sciences Corp -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Annoying 3270 Screen Size Limitations (Was: TN3270 Emulator)
Howard Brazee wrote: I wish IBM would upgrade TSO/ISPF so that it didn't assume one of its old terminals. An improved virtual terminal could be designed that could switch between 80, 133 or even 250 columns wide while editing a file, for instance. This is strictly an ISPF issue. TSO/E already supports large terminal dimensions. http://bama.ua.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0501L=ibm-mainP=R45606 -- .-. | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | '-' -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In a message dated 10/18/2005 9:05:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's easier to eliminate the issue, though: Don't rely on Windows-based web servers, especially IIS. Anyone who exposes IIS to the open Internet is committing professional malpractice on the level of storing the password of Haven't looked lately, but used to be Frontpage automagically flicked on IIS. We managed to loose a whole application in about 24hrs after Auto update or something turned the firewall off and bango, clango -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On 17 Oct 2005 13:18:43 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Knutson, Sam) wrote: PCOM has a large footprint but having worked on the other end of support for extended 3270 data streams it is the gold standard for accurate emulation. As a PCOMM user for many years, I'd have to agree that it's 3270 emulation is flawless. But where does an individual purchase single copies of the product these days? I couldn't find PCOMM (or Host Access Client Package) at any of my usual retailers (PC Connection, Programmer's Paradise, CompUSA,...) Any ideas??? Eric -- Eric Chevalier E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tulsagrammer.com Is that call really worth your child's life? HANG UP AND DRIVE! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Eric Chevalier wrote: As a PCOMM user for many years, I'd have to agree that it's 3270 emulation is flawless. But where does an individual purchase single copies of the product these days? I couldn't find PCOMM (or Host Access Client Package) at any of my usual retailers (PC Connection, Programmer's Paradise, CompUSA,...) Any ideas??? http://www.ibm.com/software/network/hostaccess/ Click on How to buy -- - | Edward E. Jaffe|| | Mgr, Research Development| [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Phoenix Software International | Tel: (310) 338-0400 x318 | | 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 | Fax: (310) 338-0801| | Los Angeles, CA 90045 | http://www.phoenixsoftware.com | - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
- Original Message - From: Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 15:10:30 -0600, Lester, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark, I've snipped the rest of you message for future reference. Thanks to all that have responded to this thread. Vista seems to be the favorite. Thanks! One thing I don't think anyone has mentioned about Vista yet. It doesn't support GDDM graphics like some of the more expensive emulators (PCOM, Rumba, Extra). This probably is not an issue for most, but if you need that support you won't find it in Vista. There hasn't been any GDDM usage around here since prior to Y2K. I think QMF used to require the loadlib be avialable when you invoked it, but I'm pretty sure that was changed a while back also. Ennn, thank you for playing. Vista 1.25 Dec 08 2004 supports host graphics quite well. Email Tom Brennan so you can grab a copy. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Hi All, One of the best software on the market today for TN3270, TN5250 and VT terminal is HostExplorer 2006. HostExplorer support Secure Shell, SSL and Kerberos. The software can be deployed to the end user using any Web Server(Mainframe, AS/400, Windows or UNIX) . The full functionality of the software can be tested for 60 days.. Dan Ponta System Engineer Host Access Solutions Tel: 416-496-6363 -Original Message- From: Chase, John [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:13 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lester, Bob Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. We went with Bluezone, from Seagull Software: http://www.seagullsoftware.com/products/bluezone_terminal.html -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Of course I'd expect that coming from an employee of the company that produces it. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Ponta Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 3:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator Hi All, One of the best software on the market today for TN3270, TN5250 and VT terminal is HostExplorer 2006. HostExplorer support Secure Shell, SSL and Kerberos. The software can be deployed to the end user using any Web Server(Mainframe, AS/400, Windows or UNIX) . The full functionality of the software can be tested for 60 days.. Dan Ponta System Engineer Host Access Solutions Tel: 416-496-6363 This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:07:59 -0400, Thomas Conley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vista 1.25 Dec 08 2004 supports host graphics quite well. Email Tom Brennan so you can grab a copy. Yes. John Kalinich already posted that information earlier (in a changed subject line). It must still be beta because it isn't on Tom's web site yet. A few years ago I asked Tom about this and he said he had tried to add the support but gave up due to either lack of time, documentation or both. Glad to hear he has it working, although I can't think of anything I would use it for these days. HCM blows away HCD + GDDM. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America and Farmers Insurance Group mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programming expert at http://Search390.com/ateExperts/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Lester, Bob wrote: What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. BlueZone, from Seagull software. Offers triple-plane graphics, implicit and explicit partitions, even full 3290 support. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
McKown, John wrote: You mean you want more than two different screen sizes? That is not particularily a TSO restriction, it is a 3270 data stream restriction. A 3270 can only have two different screen sized, based on the 3270 architecture. There is the normal size (usually, but not necessarily 24x80) which is switched to with the ERASE/WRITE command. There is the alternate size (whatever is specified in the emulator/VTAM BIND image) which is switched to with the ERASE/WRITE ALTERNATE command. Does a 3180 qualify as a 3270? It supports dynamic switching among four screen sizes (provided the hardware is so set up). A program may switch to one of these, or may use any screen configuration that fits in the buffer (done by specifying the size of an explicit partition). I got quite a surprise when I defined a screen of 24*80 and on the first try had the values reversed - got 80 lines of 24 bytes. I have (non-TSO) programs that allow the user to switch on the fly (though not in the middle of a command), and doing so doesn't even require fiddling with VTAM definitions. In order to have n different screen sizes would be a horrendous challange to TSO and VTAM as well. First, IBM would need to implement a new write command (WRITE/ERASE SELECT SIZE or something like that). But then they'd need to update the defination of LU type 2 in VTAM to handle n possible screen sizes. Now TSO must keep track of the various possible screen sizes and select the most appropriate one. Oh, the TN3270E defination and emulators would need to be updated to support this as well. And always remember that the 3270 data stream does __NOT__ tell how to position the current write location using x,y coordinates. It uses buffer addresses which are basically number of bytes from the beginning of the screen image. The TN3270E emulator converts whese to actual x,y positions on the screen. No special command is needed, only the use of explicit partition size definition. TSO can continue to use the default size from the BIND negotiation, and let the user switch later. VTAM functions correctly with the generic 3270 settings. Some emulators already support on-the-fly screen switching (e.g., BlueZone, which I mentioned in another post). The x,y problem is solved by restricting the row and column sizes to a maximum value of 255, and coding the x,y position directly. The appropriate output routine can scan through the buffer and build the correct coordinates. This would be very expensive for a dying technology. If it were me, I'd be looking at something to totally replace TSO. At least we agree - it would not be cost effective. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lester, Bob Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. We went with Bluezone, from Seagull Software: http://www.seagullsoftware.com/products/bluezone_terminal.html -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Vista excellent $30 30 day free trial written by a working systems programmer with some unique features geared for those who work with 3270 especially ISPF and JCL every day. http://www.tombrennansoftware.com/ x3270 good enough for some uses, free Easiest way to get this going under Windows is to do a limited install of Cygwin http://www.cygwin.com/ Select just the x3270 packages and required base packages. I have used this but prefer Vista or PCOM. It is worth it to have Cygwin on Windows anyway just for the handy UNIX utilities this makes available and kept up to date. Dave Alcock maintains a list of 3270 emulators here that is quite useful http://www.planetmvs.com/tn3270/index.html Thanks, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 Murphy's Computer Law 7: Every task takes twice as long as you think it will take. If you double the time you think it will take, it will actually take four times as long. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lester, Bob Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 12:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: TN3270 Emulator Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Thanks! *BobL* This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Check out VISTA tn3270 by Tom Brennan. Go to http://www.tombrennansoftware.com/ For $30 (USD) it can't be beat. It does everything I ask of it. I find it better than EXTRA and IBM's offering. Christopher Y. Blaicher BMC Software, Inc. Austin Development Labs (512) 340-6154 BMC Software, Inc. makes no representations or promises regarding the reliability, completeness, or accuracy of the information provided in this discussion; all readers agree not to rely on this information or take any action against BMC Software in response to this information. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lester, Bob Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 11:40 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: TN3270 Emulator Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Thanks! *BobL* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:39:40 -0600, Lester, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? Vista. http://www.tombrennansoftware.com Chock full of mainframe friendly editing features and reasonably priced. -Rob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Bob Lester wrote: What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. For the money, you can't beat Vista tn3270. http://www.tombrennansoftware.com/ Regards, John Kalinich Computer Sciences Corp -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Hey Bob, TN3270 Plus is my choice and has been for many years. Rock-stable and excellent support (only needed it once many years ago and it was my issue, not theirs.) Free trial at http://www.sdisw.com/ Hope this helps. Best, Norris Lester, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Thanks! *BobL* -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html __ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
We are a RUMBA shop. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/17/05 12:39PM Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Thanks! *BobL* -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- The contents of this e-mail (and any attachments) are confidential, may be privileged and may contain copyright material. You may only reproduce or distribute material if you are expressly authorized by us to do so. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure or copying of this email (and any attachments) is unauthorized. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and immediately delete this e-mail and any copies of it from your system. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Consider Vista tn3270 emulator from Tom Brennan Software, available at http://www.TomBrennanSoftware.com/ . Vista is very reliable and has some great technical/usability features, some of which would be intuitive to a TN3270 user, not necessary a marketing organization which sometimes drives software development. Sincerely, Scott Barry SBBWorks, Inc. Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Thanks! *BobL* -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On 17 Oct 2005 10:41:51 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote: We went with Bluezone, from Seagull Software: http://www.seagullsoftware.com/products/bluezone_terminal.html That's what I'm using as well. It doesn't work with MacIntoshes though. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Put me down as another very satisfied Vista user. On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:39:40 -0600, Lester, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Thanks! *BobL* -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
The cheapest of all could be Mocha TN3270. Company wide license is only $250. http://www.mochasoft.dk/ Thanks Nat -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
We use this for our non-IT staff. You do get what you pay for. IT staff uses IBM Personal Communications. Chuck Kreiter Lead Systems Programmer State Auto Insurance -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Natarajan Mohan Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 2:33 PM The cheapest of all could be Mocha TN3270. Company wide license is only $250. http://www.mochasoft.dk/ Thanks Nat * This message was scanned by State Auto's mail server for viruses and objectionable content. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Actually, the cheapest would be x3270, which is free. I use it on Linux and Mac, and the only complaint I have is the lack of useful mouse support. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation RO-CE-8-857 200 First Street SW 507-284-0844Rochester, MN 55905 - In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Natarajan Mohan Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 1:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator The cheapest of all could be Mocha TN3270. Company wide license is only $250. http://www.mochasoft.dk/ Thanks Nat -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
In a recent note, Nix, Robert P. said: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:47:13 -0500 Actually, the cheapest would be x3270, which is free. I use it on Linux and Mac, and the only complaint I have is the lack of useful mouse support. For Mac: Linkname: tn3270 for the Macintosh URL: http://www.brown.edu/Facilities/CIS/tn3270/ ... has somewhat better mouse support, and the same attractive price. -- gil -- StorageTek INFORMATION made POWERFUL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
Put me down as another very satisfied Vista user. Bob Pelletier Connecticut Student Loan Foundation Rocky Hill, Connecticut -Original Message- From: Silvio Camplani [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 2:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator Put me down as another very satisfied Vista user. On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 10:39:40 -0600, Lester, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi All, What's everyone running for TN3270 emulation these days? We've got Extra currently, but we're looking for alternatives due to a licensing change at Attachmate. We're z/OS 1.4. Thanks! *BobL* -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
What about emulators that are browser based? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Howard Brazee Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 2:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator On 17 Oct 2005 10:41:51 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chase, John) wrote: We went with Bluezone, from Seagull Software: http://www.seagullsoftware.com/products/bluezone_terminal.html That's what I'm using as well. It doesn't work with MacIntoshes though. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
To be fair I should say while I use Vista we make extensive use of IBM Host on Demand across the Enterprise and it is our preferred TN3270 platform for most folks. New users are not provisioned with Windows PCOM but rather instructed to use HOD. HOD is not too bad except when it upgrades and requires you to reinstall the right Java. http://www.ibm.com/software/webservers/hostondemand/ I bought a copy of the IBM Host Access Client Package for myself to get my own licensed copy of PCOM for use at home a couple years ago and it set me back $300. PCOM is not very reasonably priced for the individual. I don't know what corporate volume pricing is like. http://www.ibm.com/software/network/hostaccess/ PCOM has a large footprint but having worked on the other end of support for extended 3270 data streams it is the gold standard for accurate emulation. HOD certainly does offer an economy of scale. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO Performance and Availability Management mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (office) 301.986.3574 No stream rises higher than its source. What ever man might build could never express or reflect more than he was. He could record neither more nor less than he had learned of life when the buildings were built. - Frank Lloyd Wright -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lou, Jim Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 3:30 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TN3270 Emulator What about emulators that are browser based? This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: TN3270 Emulator
On 17 Oct 2005 12:58:55 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lou, Jim) wrote: What about emulators that are browser based? BlueZone is accessed by my browser, using Java for safe browsers, or active-x from the other browser. After accessing it, the browser can be closed.This makes sure everybody has the current version, and keeps accounting. It is irritating in that it puts a shortcut on my Windows desktop. I dislike shortcuts on my Windows desktop. I also have a recycle bin on my desktop. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
