Re: Highest address "below the bar"

[Paul Schuster]

Ed:

Can you elaborate on the reason(s) for your methodology:

"We routinely load base registers and "uninitialized" pointers to 
7000 (or sometimes 7BAD) rather than zero."

The one reason I can visualize is that instead of unintentionally
accessing something in low core you would experience a S0C4 instead.

Thank you.

Paul

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Re: Minimum Volume Sizes in the Wild

[David Mingee]

Same here - smallest in use is MOD3 at 8 different Data Centers I have worked 
with in the last couple of years. 


David Mingee
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  From: Steve Beaver 
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 9:36 PM
 Subject: Re: Minimum Volume Sizes in the Wild
   
The smallest I've seen is a MOD3.  And that is just because it had a CAT on it

Steve  

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Of Al Loeffler
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:32 PM
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I use 3390-27 for z/OS and other software installation, but I also use other 
sizes (3390-1, 3390-3, 3390-9, 3390-54) for operational and user datasets.

Al Loeffler

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What is the *smallest* volume size everyone sees in general use?

For example, will we create any problems if we assume that "everyone" 
has or can define at least a 3390-9 size volume these days?  What if we chose 
3390-27?

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Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:38:14 -0400, Don Poitras wrote:
>
>I wrote the support in SAS/C for handling multiple tasks writing to the same
>sysout DD. I used WAIT/POST rather than ENQ/DEQ.
>
>https://support.sas.com/documentation/onlinedoc/sasc/doc750/html/clug/zntimeop.htm#zid-1494
>
I'm trying to envision how to use WAIT/POST to do that since no
more than one task can be WAITing on a given ECB.  I vaguely recall
long ago writing code that used a variant of a CS example in PoOps
to manage a queue of ECBs.

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Re: JOB cards, procs, and TIOTs, o my!

[Phil Smith III]

Scott Ballentine wrote:

>For your last question, take a look at the JCL Reference.  There's a chapter 
>on started tasks that talks about some of this stuff.  (By the way, the doc 
>uses the term "started job" for what you call a "proc with a JOB card", and 
>"started proc" for the not-a-JOB case.)

>You might want to experiment with S MYPROC,JOBNAME=, and try running a 
>batch job that has a step that EXECs a proc.



Thanks Scott! I will do so. After the holiday J


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Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

[Don Poitras]

In article <4827659745512199.wa.woodagozemail.com...@listserv.ua.edu> you wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:00:10 -0500, John McKown 
>  wrote:

> . . .
> >Now, with JES2 (or UNIX output), what happens? Well, it's more like a data
> >base. You still have two DCBs, but the actual write sends the data to JES2
> >and tells it to place it in the SPOOL file. So JES2 is accepting and
> >interleaving the data for you. . . .

> I'm not so sure about the extent of that.

> A long time ago I had to sort out a problem in a multi-tasking utility, which 
> could have several tasks, each with their own DCB, writing to the same DD, 
> which was invariably allocated to JES2 SYSOUT (I don't recall trying pointing 
> it to a DASD data set).

> One of the symptoms of the problems was that SDSF would very occasionally get 
> ABEND0C4 when browsing the SYSOUT from this utility. Later, perhaps after 
> some JES2 enhancement, I think there were very occasional ABEND02As.

> The solution was to wrap ENQ/DEQ around the writes to the DD in question.

> I have no idea whether Java would provide any serialization. It is also 
> possible that something has changed in JES2 since I encountered this issue 
> (although I see one of the listed reasons for ABEND02A is "HASP access method 
> detected a serialization error for a spool data set.")

I wrote the support in SAS/C for handling multiple tasks writing to the same 
sysout DD. I used WAIT/POST rather than ENQ/DEQ.

https://support.sas.com/documentation/onlinedoc/sasc/doc750/html/clug/zntimeop.htm#zid-1494

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Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

[Andy Wood]

On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 13:00:10 -0500, John McKown  
wrote:

. . .
>Now, with JES2 (or UNIX output), what happens? Well, it's more like a data
>base. You still have two DCBs, but the actual write sends the data to JES2
>and tells it to place it in the SPOOL file. So JES2 is accepting and
>interleaving the data for you. . . .

I'm not so sure about the extent of that.

A long time ago I had to sort out a problem in a multi-tasking utility, which 
could have several tasks, each with their own DCB, writing to the same DD, 
which was invariably allocated to JES2 SYSOUT (I don't recall trying pointing 
it to a DASD data set).

One of the symptoms of the problems was that SDSF would very occasionally get 
ABEND0C4 when browsing the SYSOUT from this utility. Later, perhaps after some 
JES2 enhancement, I think there were very occasional ABEND02As.

The solution was to wrap ENQ/DEQ around the writes to the DD in question.

I have no idea whether Java would provide any serialization. It is also 
possible that something has changed in JES2 since I encountered this issue 
(although I see one of the listed reasons for ABEND02A is "HASP access method 
detected a serialization error for a spool data set.")

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Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 20:36:38 +0200, Michael Knigge wrote:

>Yes, DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE)
> [much snippage]
>
I've noticed, mostly on non-z/OS systems:

o (documented) For "cat -u", the "-u" is always in effect; provided for
  compatibility but otherwise ignored.

o (not well documented) stderr tends to be written unbuffered; stdout buffered.

o However, if stdout is written to a TTY, it's also unbuffered.

o However, if stdout is written to a pipe it's buffered again.  But sometimes
  the pipe is to a simple filter whose output to TTY I'd like to see promptly,
  not buffered.  I'd prefer that the decision were conditioned on special file
  vs. regular file, rather than TTY vs. non-TTY.

In my own code, I can well control these behaviors with setvbuf() and/or
fflush().


>Am 01.07.2016 um 14:14 schrieb Kurt Quackenbush:
>>> [snip!]
>>> 
Speaking of SMP/E ...

I impatiently wish that I could get SMPOUT and SMPRPT buffered less.  But
I have such a Rube Goldberg of pipes, filters, and SYSOUTs that I can form
no rationale for an SR or an RFE.

-- gil

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Re: Highest address "below the bar"

[Ed Jaffe]

On 6/16/2016 3:57 PM, Jim Mulder wrote:


   For diagnostic purposes, then 4K page at 7000 is always
left invalid in z/OS.


And what a valuable design decision that was!

We routinely load base registers and "uninitialized" pointers to 
7000 (or sometimes 7BAD) rather than zero.


Even in 64-bit mode you can leverage _7000, but that's only 
a 4K page. It could be helpful to have similar treatment for the 2G page 
at _8000 as well.


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Re: Short description of system address spaces

[Mike Schwab]

http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg246366.html?Open
This would be a good starting point for them.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Peter Hunkeler  wrote:
> While educating colloeagues new to z/OS, I promised to come up with a short 
> decription of all the system address spaces are for. Before starting to write 
> this down, does anyone happen to have such a list they are willing to share? 
> Note that I'm not takling about a description of elements and features. There 
> is a manual providing this list.
>
>
>
>
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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Jack J. Woehr]

Paul Gilmartin wrote:

PDF!?  On a mobile!?

It's OK when you get there, I guess, but they wanna make you earn it!


I read PDF's on my mobile all the time. Spend a lot of time swiping to expand 'em but sometimes you gotta have the 
answer right now.


Truth is, I sympathize with IBM. The younger programmers have a totally different visual and spacial mindset about 
information presentation.


We wonder why they don't turn onto mainframes. It's partly because they can't 
parse the views.

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Re: z/OS V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals missing in the Knowledge Center

[Edward Finnell]

Or "O' Brother".
 
 
In a message dated 7/1/2016 2:32:11 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu writes:

Think of  the closing scene of "Raiders
of the Lost  Ark".


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Re: z/OS V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals missing in the Knowledge Center

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 11:03:40 -0400, John Eells wrote:

>I heard back from the person I contacted.  As I surmised, most of the
>people are off today (and, of course, Monday).  However, perhaps this
>will tide you over for now:
>
>The MVS Data Areas for z/OS 2.1 are available for download as PDFs here:
>http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/v2r1pdf/#IEA
> 
See!  They're not literally "missing".  Think of the closing scene of "Raiders
of the Lost Ark".

BTW, has the All PDFs archive been updated lately?  Stumbling around,
I saw a reference to 2015-12-xx, and I've long had that or better.

Thanks,
gil

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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 07:10:35 -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote:

>Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:
>> I'm curious about other people's views.
>>
>> I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these days.
>Congratulations to IBM on making the KC almost unusable to actual users in an 
>attempt to make it mobile-friendly.
>
+1.  I don't use mobile, but the fluff I see with a browser ought to be 
unwelcome
on mobile.  Or do they detect viewer type and conditionally redact it?

>Here's how I use it: Starting at http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/
> 
Thanks.  That matches the OP's expressed desire for not only the end result but 
also
a procedure.  Cf. your .sig.

* Disable any script blocker. *
> 1. Click on Products in the bar upper right.
> 2. Choose z/OS
> 3. Select version, e.g., 2.2.0
Many pages nowadays have a popup list that lets you select 2.2 or 2.1; rarely 
older.
Still valuable.
> 4. Click the weird little blue widget in the upper left which is a 
> mobile-style drop down menu.
Dammit! that thingy ought to be labelled; "TOC" or such!
> 5. Click the plus to open a view of a product.
> 6. Click the product name to get at the list of docs with the PDF links.
> 
PDF!?  On a mobile!?

It's OK when you get there, I guess, but they wanna make you earn it!
>
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>www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl 
>Sagan

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Re: Short description of system address spaces

[Walt Farrell]

On Fri, 1 Jul 2016 14:01:29 +0200, Peter Hunkeler  wrote:

>While educating colloeagues new to z/OS, I promised to come up with a short 
>decription of all the system address spaces are for. Before 
>starting to write this down, does anyone happen to have such a list they are 
>willing to share? Note that I'm not takling about a 
>description of elements and features. There is a manual providing this list.

I see that Mike responded with a long list of names, which includes (I believe) 
a mixture of system address spaces and started tasks. That led me to wonder 
whether you were using "system address spaces" as a technical term (meaning 
things like *MASTER* and SMF and DUMPSRV but not things like RMF, SDSF, RACF, 
etc.) or whether you really meant it as a generic term that would encompass 
normal started tasks, too.

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Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

[Michael Knigge]

Yes, DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE)


Bye,

Michael


Am 01.07.2016 um 14:14 schrieb Kurt Quackenbush:

At our site there is no difference if I use DSN= or SYSOUT=* in my
JCL for STDOUT and STDERR. Output from all threads is written to the 
file.


At the customer site if DSN=xxx is used, only output from the main
thread is written to the file. If SYSOUT=* is used the customer can see
all output in SDSF.


What disposition is specified on the DD statement when using DSN=name? 
Are you and the customer using the same, OLD or MOD?


Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development

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AW: Re: z/OS V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals missing in the Knowledge Center

[Peter Hunkeler]

> I heard back from the person I contacted.  As I surmised, most of the
people are off today (and, of course, Monday).  However, perhaps this
will tide you over for now:





Thank you, John. Much appreciated. There is no hurry, at least not with me. 
I've got all of the PDFs on all machines I work on anyway. Too impatient to 
wait for the internet.


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AW: Re: Short description of system address spaces

[Peter Hunkeler]

 A bit too brief


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 Von: Mike Schwab  An:   
IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: Short description of system address 
spaces Datum: 01.07.16, 15:41


JOBNAME
*MASTER*
ALLOCAS
ANTAS000
ANTMAIN
APPC
ASCH
ASCHINT
AUTOTSO
AUTOVIEW
AUTOVSSI
AXR
BPXAS  *
BPXOINIT
CADASTRT
CAENF
CANSO2
CAOMS
CATALOG
CEA
CONSOLE
CRONH9
CSSMTP
DB2DBM1
DB2DDBM1
DB2DDIST
DB2DHNON
DB2DHTCB
DB2DIST
DB2DMSTR
DB2HNON
DB2HNON
DB2HTCB
DB2IPROC
DB2LPROC
DB2MSTR
DB2RPROC
DB2TDBM1
DB2TDIST
DB2TMSTR
DEVMAN
DHSCICS
DHSCICST
DMHCICSC
DMHCICST
DRS
DUMPSRV
EPAMOBM
EPAMOBV
ESCM
FINIMHT1
FINIMHT2
FINIMSH1
FINIMSH2
FINIMSH3
FINIMSH4
FINIMSH5
FINIMSH6
FTPDCMP1
FTPDMON1
FTPDSSL1
FTPUSERH
FTPUSSLH
GRS
GTZ
HGLINK
HIS
HSMAUD00
HSMRPT00
HWIBCPII
HZSPROC
ICSF
IDCDBTDF
IDCISS
IDCMFACB
IEFSCHAS
IMSCONH
IMSCONHT
IMSDBRC
IMSDBRCX
IMSDLI
IMSDLIX
INETDMNH
INIT*
IOSAS
IXGLOGR
JESXCF
JES2
JES2AUX
JES2MON
LLA
MHDMOBM
MHDMOBSW
MHDMOBV
NET
NETVIEW
NETVSSI
NETVTSO
NETVUNIX
OAM
OMROUTEH
OMVS
PAGENT
PCAUTH
PERCICID
PERCICIP
PERCICIT
PERMOBM
PERMOBT
PERMOBV
PERMOBWM
PERMOBWV
PORTMAP
RACF
RASP
RESOLVER
RMF
RMFGAT
RRS
SDBH
SDSF
SDSFAUX
SMF
SMS
SMSPDSE
SMSPDSE1
SNMPD
SNMPIOB
SNMPQE
SWSH
SYSBII
SYSB2
SYSHSMH
SYSLOGDH
TADZMON
TADZWEB
TCAS
TMONH
TMONHHUB
TMONHLFS
TNF
TRACE
TSDH
TWSH
USSTCPH
VLF
VMCF
VPS
VPSVSV
WLM
XCFAS
XOSFH
XOSFT
ZFS


On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Peter Hunkeler  wrote:
> While educating colloeagues new to z/OS, I promised to come up with a short 
> decription of all the system address spaces are for. Before starting to write 
> this down, does anyone happen to have such a list they are willing to share? 
> Note that I'm not takling about a description of elements and features. There 
> is a manual providing this list.
>



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Re: EXTERNAL: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Charles Mills]

Might a better question be "is there anyone who DISAGREES?"


CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity

 Original message 
From: Jerry Whitteridge  
Date: 7/1/16  8:51 AM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: EXTERNAL: IBM Knowledge Centre 

Nope - not just you

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Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:57 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL: IBM Knowledge Centre

I'm curious about other people's views.

I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these days. I'm 
finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of manuals that look 
something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I have to bookmark it immediately 
for fear of never finding it again.

I'm currently looking for the z/OS 2.1 MVS Data Areas manuals (specifically for 
IXLYAMDA) - back in the old days, it was easy.. now I can't find the damn 
things.

To me, the KC is a big pile of steamy stuff, and isn't fit for purpose. I'm 
spending more time searching for the documentation than actually using it!

Is it just me?

Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer




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Re: EXTERNAL: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Jerry Whitteridge]

Nope - not just you

Jerry Whitteridge
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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform)
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:57 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: EXTERNAL: IBM Knowledge Centre

I'm curious about other people's views.

I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these days. I'm 
finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of manuals that look 
something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I have to bookmark it immediately 
for fear of never finding it again.

I'm currently looking for the z/OS 2.1 MVS Data Areas manuals (specifically for 
IXLYAMDA) - back in the old days, it was easy.. now I can't find the damn 
things.

To me, the KC is a big pile of steamy stuff, and isn't fit for purpose. I'm 
spending more time searching for the documentation than actually using it!

Is it just me?

Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer




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Re: z/OS V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals missing in the Knowledge Center

[John Eells]

I heard back from the person I contacted.  As I surmised, most of the 
people are off today (and, of course, Monday).  However, perhaps this 
will tide you over for now:


The MVS Data Areas for z/OS 2.1 are available for download as PDFs here:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/v2r1pdf/#IEA

John Eells wrote:

I forwarded this to someone I think can get it taken care of.  As Monday
is a holiday here, though, and many are off today as well (it was very
easy to get a nearby parking space!), I would not expect instant action.

Peter Hunkeler wrote:

Would anyone of the IBMers watching the forum know whom to contact to
tell them that the zOS/ V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals are missing in the
new Knowledge Center?

The feedback link on the page seems to be just general feedback about
IBM.






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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Lizette Koehler]

I might open an SR to the Assembler Language product for the Data Areas and
complain that way.

They may be more able to help.

Lizette


> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> Behalf Of Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform)
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 1:57 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: IBM Knowledge Centre
> 
> I'm curious about other people's views.
> 
> I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these days. I'm
> finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of manuals that look
> something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I have to bookmark it
> immediately for fear of never finding it again.
> 
> I'm currently looking for the z/OS 2.1 MVS Data Areas manuals (specifically
> for IXLYAMDA) - back in the old days, it was easy.. now I can't find the damn
> things.
> 
> To me, the KC is a big pile of steamy stuff, and isn't fit for purpose. I'm
> spending more time searching for the documentation than actually using it!
> 
> Is it just me?
> 
> Andy Styles
> z/Series Systems Programmer
> 
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Re: Short description of system address spaces

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On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Peter Hunkeler  wrote:
> While educating colloeagues new to z/OS, I promised to come up with a short 
> decription of all the system address spaces are for. Before starting to write 
> this down, does anyone happen to have such a list they are willing to share? 
> Note that I'm not takling about a description of elements and features. There 
> is a manual providing this list.
>
>
>
>
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Re: z/OS V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals missing in the Knowledge Center

[John Eells]

I forwarded this to someone I think can get it taken care of.  As Monday 
is a holiday here, though, and many are off today as well (it was very 
easy to get a nearby parking space!), I would not expect instant action.


Peter Hunkeler wrote:

Would anyone of the IBMers watching the forum know whom to contact to tell them 
that the zOS/ V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals are missing in the new Knowledge 
Center?

The feedback link on the page seems to be just general feedback about IBM.



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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

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Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:

I'm curious about other people's views.

I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these days.

Congratulations to IBM on making the KC almost unusable to actual users in an 
attempt to make it mobile-friendly.

Here's how I use it: Starting at http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/

1. Click on Products in the bar upper right.
2. Choose z/OS
3. Select version, e.g., 2.2.0
4. Click the weird little blue widget in the upper left which is a mobile-style 
drop down menu.
5. Click the plus to open a view of a product.
6. Click the product name to get at the list of docs with the PDF links.


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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Bigendian Smalls]

While we are piling on, I agree - it’s pretty miserable (and still full of 
broken links).The only reasonable way to find anything these days is 
searching one at a time (which works fairly well) but I miss the tree-driven 
system, and generally revert to the PDFs now constantly.

Chad


> On Jul 1, 2016, at 7:41 AM, Staller, Allan  
> wrote:
> 
> Agreed!
> 
> 
> 
> To me, the KC is a big pile of steamy stuff, and isn't fit for purpose. I'm 
> spending more time searching for the documentation than actually using it!
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Agreed!



To me, the KC is a big pile of steamy stuff, and isn't fit for purpose. I'm 
spending more time searching for the documentation than actually using it!

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Re: Multithreaded output to stderr and stdout

[Kurt Quackenbush]

At our site there is no difference if I use DSN= or SYSOUT=* in my
JCL for STDOUT and STDERR. Output from all threads is written to the file.

At the customer site if DSN=xxx is used, only output from the main
thread is written to the file. If SYSOUT=* is used the customer can see
all output in SDSF.


What disposition is specified on the DD statement when using DSN=name? 
Are you and the customer using the same, OLD or MOD?


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Short description of system address spaces

[Peter Hunkeler]

While educating colloeagues new to z/OS, I promised to come up with a short 
decription of all the system address spaces are for. Before starting to write 
this down, does anyone happen to have such a list they are willing to share? 
Note that I'm not takling about a description of elements and features. There 
is a manual providing this list.




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[Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform)]

> Just don't try to use it with IE (up to IE11), use Firefox, Chrome or 
> whatever, just not IE.

Damn. IE11 is all I've got (am allowed) on my work machine :(

Andy Styles 
z/Series Systems Programmer


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z/OS V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals missing in the Knowledge Center

[Peter Hunkeler]

Would anyone of the IBMers watching the forum know whom to contact to tell them 
that the zOS/ V2.1 MVS Data Area manuals are missing in the new Knowledge 
Center?

The feedback link on the page seems to be just general feedback about IBM.


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AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Peter Hunkeler]

>The search in KC, which provides links to pages in manuals it's found, appears 
>to only provide the Data Areas manuals for 2.2.



It seems to me that the Data Areas manuals are missing again in the z/OS V2.1 
MVS bookshelf. Has happened before. The are there in the z/OS V2.2 bookshelf 
(yes, I'm talking about the new KC).




I've been ignoring the old KC because I considered it unusable and extreemely 
slow. But the new KC is much better once you find out how it works, especially 
the new touchy-touchy-like menu button at the upper left. If feel at home, but 
must say I save the link to the z/OS V2.1 bookshelf part:


http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0




Just don't try to use it with IE (up to IE11), use Firefox, Chrome or whatever, 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform)]

Yep, in the original link you gave, that has everything I need. 

The search in KC, which provides links to pages in manuals it's found, appears 
to only provide the Data Areas manuals for 2.2. 

Andy Styles 
z/Series Systems Programmer
 


-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Leopold Strauss
Sent: 01 July 2016 11:32
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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I am not sure, what you want.

But in the 2.1-link , which I sent you, I found the info in dataareas vol 4.

Sorry, following is ex dataareas-vol4-pdf-files and therefore not pretty. It 
should only be a provement for you, that the info you want is there.

IXLYAMDA Map
Offsets
Dec Hex Type/Value Len Name (Dim) Description
0 (0) STRUCTURE 0 IXLYAMDAREA Data area returned to caller
0 (0) SIGNED 4 IXLYAMDAREA_LENGTH
Length of IXLYAMDAREA header mapping
4 (4) ADDRESS 4 IXLYAMDAREA_CFENT@
Address of first CF entry. A value of zero means that no CF entries were 
provided
8 (8) SIGNED 4 IXLYAMDAREA_TLEN
Total length of output data area needed to contain all the requested 
information.
This length includes the area for the records that WERE returned on this call.
12 (C) SIGNED 4 IXLYAMDAREA_#ENT
Total number of entries of all kinds (not including the header)
16 (10) BITSTRING 1 IXLYAMDAREA_VERSION
Version number - Maximum CFLEVEL supported by MVS on system where IXLMG was 
invoked. Can be used to determine if specific fields have valid information. 
See notes in prolog for more information
17 (11) CHARACTER 3 Unused
17 (11) X'14' 0 IXLYAMDAREA_LEN
"*-IXLYAMDAREA"
626 z/OS V2R1 Data Areas Volume 4 (IRARMCTZ -LCT) IXLYAMDA Map Offsets Dec Hex 
Type/Value Len Name (Dim) Description
0 (0) STRUCTURE 0 IXLYAMDHD Common header mapping for IXLYAMDA entries
0 (0) BITSTRING 1 IXLYAMDHD_TYPE
Type of entry
1 (1) CHARACTER 3 Unused
4 (4) SIGNED 4 IXLYAMDHD_LENGTH
Length of entry
8 (8) ADDRESS 4 IXLYAMDHD_NEXT
Address of next entry.
Comment
EntryTypes

On 01.07.2016 12:05, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:
> Sort of - the manuals where that search finds the information I'm looking for 
> appear to be for z/OS 2.2; the z/OS 2.1 ones (which is what I want) in that 
> list are the manuals for the IXLMG macro that I've already found (and they 
> simply refer back to the BookManager versions for the data areas!).
>
>
> Andy Styles
> z/Series Systems Programmer
>   
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] 
> On Behalf Of Patrick Hayward
> Sent: 01 July 2016 10:57
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre
>
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>   
>
> Dies this help
> http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/search/IXLYAMDA
>
> Patrick
> Patrick Hayward, Code Magus Limited  
> (England  reg. no. 4024745) Number 6, 69 Woodstock Road, Oxford, OX2 
> 6EY, United Kingdom
> *Voice:* +44 1844 208127 *Mobile:* +44 7711 273014 *Fax:* +44 1865 
> 316979
>
>
> On 01/07/16 09:57, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:
>> I'm curious about other people's views.
>>
>> I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these 
>> days. I'm finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of 
>> manuals that look something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I 
>> have to bookmark
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> 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC95000. Telephone: 0131 225 4555. 
> Lloyds Bank plc. Registered Office: 25 Gresham Street, London EC2V 
> 7HN. Registered in England and Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500. 
> Bank of Scotland plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. 
> Registered in Scotland no. SC327000. Telephone: 03457 801 801. 
> Cheltenham & Gloucester plc. Registered Office: Barnett Way, 
> Gloucester GL4 3RL. Registered in England and Wales 2299428. 
> Telephone: 0345 603 1637
>
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> Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and 
> Prudential Regulation Authority.
>
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> Conduct Authority.
>
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> Savings is a division of Lloyds Bank plc.
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> Scotland no. SC218813.
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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Leopold Strauss]

I am not sure, what you want.

But in the 2.1-link , which I sent you, I found the info in dataareas vol 4.

Sorry, following is ex dataareas-vol4-pdf-files and therefore not 
pretty. It should only be a provement for you, that the info you want is 
there.


IXLYAMDA Map
Offsets
Dec Hex Type/Value Len Name (Dim) Description
0 (0) STRUCTURE 0 IXLYAMDAREA Data area returned to caller
0 (0) SIGNED 4 IXLYAMDAREA_LENGTH
Length of IXLYAMDAREA header mapping
4 (4) ADDRESS 4 IXLYAMDAREA_CFENT@
Address of first CF entry. A value of zero means that no CF entries were
provided
8 (8) SIGNED 4 IXLYAMDAREA_TLEN
Total length of output data area needed to contain all the requested 
information.
This length includes the area for the records that WERE returned on this 
call.

12 (C) SIGNED 4 IXLYAMDAREA_#ENT
Total number of entries of all kinds (not including the header)
16 (10) BITSTRING 1 IXLYAMDAREA_VERSION
Version number - Maximum CFLEVEL supported by MVS on system where
IXLMG was invoked. Can be used to determine if specific fields have valid
information. See notes in prolog for more information
17 (11) CHARACTER 3 Unused
17 (11) X'14' 0 IXLYAMDAREA_LEN
"*-IXLYAMDAREA"
626 z/OS V2R1 Data Areas Volume 4 (IRARMCTZ -LCT)
IXLYAMDA Map
Offsets
Dec Hex Type/Value Len Name (Dim) Description
0 (0) STRUCTURE 0 IXLYAMDHD Common header mapping for IXLYAMDA entries
0 (0) BITSTRING 1 IXLYAMDHD_TYPE
Type of entry
1 (1) CHARACTER 3 Unused
4 (4) SIGNED 4 IXLYAMDHD_LENGTH
Length of entry
8 (8) ADDRESS 4 IXLYAMDHD_NEXT
Address of next entry.
Comment
EntryTypes

On 01.07.2016 12:05, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:

Sort of - the manuals where that search finds the information I'm looking for 
appear to be for z/OS 2.2; the z/OS 2.1 ones (which is what I want) in that 
list are the manuals for the IXLMG macro that I've already found (and they 
simply refer back to the BookManager versions for the data areas!).


Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer
  



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Dies this help
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/search/IXLYAMDA

Patrick
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On 01/07/16 09:57, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:

I'm curious about other people's views.

I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these
days. I'm finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of manuals
that look something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I have to
bookmark

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Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500. Bank of Scotland plc. Registered Office: 
The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC327000. Telephone: 03457 
801 801. Cheltenham & Gloucester plc. Registered Office: Barnett Way, 
Gloucester GL4 3RL. Registered in England and Wales 2299428. Telephone: 0345 603 
1637

Lloyds Bank plc, Bank of Scotland plc are authorised by the Prudential 
Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and 
Prudential Regulation Authority.

Cheltenham & Gloucester plc is authorised and regulated by the Financial 
Conduct Authority.

Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc. Cheltenham & Gloucester Savings 
is a division of Lloyds Bank plc.

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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Leopold Strauss]

IXLYAMDA Heading Information
Common Name: Accounting and Measurement Data Area
Macro ID: IXLYAMDA
DSECT Name: IXLYAMDAREA IXLYAMDCF IXLYAMDCF1 IXLYAMDSLL IXLYAMDSLL1 
IXLYAMDSLC

IXLYAMDSLC1 IXLYAMDSTRL IXLYAMDSTRL1 IXLYAMDSTRC IXLYAMDSTRC1
IXLYAMDCFMI IXLYAMDCFMINFO IXLYAMDCFRF @LAA IXLYAMDCFCP
IXLYAMDCFCPInfo IXLYAMDSCSC IXLYAMDSCSC1 IXLYAMDSCOC IXLYAMDSCOCSTATS
IXLYAMDSC IXLYAMDSC1 IXLYAMDHD IXLYAMDSSCC @L5A IXLYAMDSSCM @LQA
Owning Component: Cross System Extended Services (SCIXL)
Eye-Catcher ID: NONE
Storage Attributes: Subpool: User-supplied
Key: User-supplied
Residency: User-supplied
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/v2r2pdf/#IEA


Size: Variable
IXLYAMDSSCM -- X’0100’ bytes
IXLYAMDSSCC -- X’0238’ bytes
IXLYAMDSLL1 -- X’00A4’ bytes
IXLYAMDSLC1 -- X’0040’ bytes
IXLYAMDSCSC1 -- X’00C0’ bytes
IXLYAMDAREA -- X’0014’ bytes
IXLYAMDHD -- X’000C’ bytes
IXLYAMDCF -- X’0130’ bytes
IXLYAMDCF1 -- X’01B0’ bytes
IXLYAMDSLL -- X’0024’ bytes
IXLYAMDSLC -- X’0024’ bytes
IXLYAMDCFMI -- X’0010’ bytes
IXLYAMDCFMINFO -- X’0044’ bytes
IXLYAMDCFRF -- X’0100’ bytes
IXLYAMDCFCP -- X’0018’ bytes
IXLYAMDCFCPINFO -- X’0040’ bytes
IXLYAMDSTRL -- X’0108’ bytes
IXLYAMDSTRL1 -- X’0188’ bytes
IXLYAMDSTRC -- X’00F4’ bytes
IXLYAMDSTRC1 -- X’0174’ bytes
IXLYAMDSCSC -- X’0078’ bytes
IXLYAMDSCOC -- X’0010’ bytes
IXLYAMDSCOCSTATS -- X’0004’ bytes
IXLYAMDSC -- X’0044’ bytes
IXLYAMDSC1 -- X’0080’ bytes
See declares
Created by: IXLA1MG
Pointed to by: DATAAREA_ADDR field in MG parameter list
Serialization: None required
Function: Maps facility, structure, and subchannel accounting and
measurement data returned by the LFSS Measurement Gatherer
Service (IXLMG).
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On 01.07.2016 12:05, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:

Sort of - the manuals where that search finds the information I'm looking for 
appear to be for z/OS 2.2; the z/OS 2.1 ones (which is what I want) in that 
list are the manuals for the IXLMG macro that I've already found (and they 
simply refer back to the BookManager versions for the data areas!).


Andy Styles
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Dies this help
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/search/IXLYAMDA

Patrick
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On 01/07/16 09:57, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:

I'm curious about other people's views.

I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these
days. I'm finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of manuals
that look something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I have to
bookmark

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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform)]

Sort of - the manuals where that search finds the information I'm looking for 
appear to be for z/OS 2.2; the z/OS 2.1 ones (which is what I want) in that 
list are the manuals for the IXLMG macro that I've already found (and they 
simply refer back to the BookManager versions for the data areas!).


Andy Styles 
z/Series Systems Programmer 
 


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Dies this help
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/search/IXLYAMDA

Patrick
Patrick Hayward, Code Magus Limited  (England  reg. 
no. 4024745) Number 6, 69 Woodstock Road, Oxford, OX2 6EY, United Kingdom
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On 01/07/16 09:57, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:
> I'm curious about other people's views.
>
> I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these 
> days. I'm finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of manuals 
> that look something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I have to 
> bookmark

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and Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500. Bank of Scotland plc. Registered 
Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC327000. 
Telephone: 03457 801 801. Cheltenham & Gloucester plc. Registered Office: 
Barnett Way, Gloucester GL4 3RL. Registered in England and Wales 2299428. 
Telephone: 0345 603 1637

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Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and 
Prudential Regulation Authority.

Cheltenham & Gloucester plc is authorised and regulated by the Financial 
Conduct Authority.

Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc. Cheltenham & Gloucester Savings 
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Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

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Dies this help
http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/search/IXLYAMDA

Patrick
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no. 4024745)
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On 01/07/16 09:57, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:

I'm curious about other people's views.

I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these days. I'm 
finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of manuals that look 
something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I have to bookmark


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[Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform)]

Thanks for that link! 

I find it incredibly frustrating that I couldn't find something like that 
myself using the links in KC, not through the apparent "search" facility!

Thanks again. 


Andy Styles 
z/Series Systems Programmer
 
 

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On 01.07.2016 10:57, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:
> Data Areas


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Registered Office: 25 Gresham Street, London EC2V 7HN. Registered in England 
and Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500. Bank of Scotland plc. Registered 
Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC327000. 
Telephone: 03457 801 801. Cheltenham & Gloucester plc. Registered Office: 
Barnett Way, Gloucester GL4 3RL. Registered in England and Wales 2299428. 
Telephone: 0345 603 1637

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Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and 
Prudential Regulation Authority.

Cheltenham & Gloucester plc is authorised and regulated by the Financial 
Conduct Authority.

Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc. Cheltenham & Gloucester Savings 
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On 01.07.2016 10:57, Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform) wrote:

Data Areas



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IBM Knowledge Centre

[Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform)]

I'm curious about other people's views.

I'm struggling to find anything I want in the Knowledge Centre these days. I'm 
finding that if I happen to stumble across a list of manuals that look 
something like the old BookManager bookshelf, I have to bookmark it immediately 
for fear of never finding it again.

I'm currently looking for the z/OS 2.1 MVS Data Areas manuals (specifically for 
IXLYAMDA) - back in the old days, it was easy.. now I can't find the damn 
things.

To me, the KC is a big pile of steamy stuff, and isn't fit for purpose. I'm 
spending more time searching for the documentation than actually using it!

Is it just me?

Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer




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Registered in Scotland no. SC95000. Telephone: 0131 225 4555. Lloyds Bank plc. 
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and Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500. Bank of Scotland plc. Registered 
Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC327000. 
Telephone: 03457 801 801. Cheltenham & Gloucester plc. Registered Office: 
Barnett Way, Gloucester GL4 3RL. Registered in England and Wales 2299428. 
Telephone: 0345 603 1637

Lloyds Bank plc, Bank of Scotland plc are authorised by the Prudential 
Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and 
Prudential Regulation Authority.

Cheltenham & Gloucester plc is authorised and regulated by the Financial 
Conduct Authority.

Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc. Cheltenham & Gloucester Savings 
is a division of Lloyds Bank plc.

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