Re: dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Give us an idea of how big each file is. OPEN/CLOSE is expensive. QSAM with
large buffers should go pretty quickly.

LOCATE instead of MOVE mode can speed things up when you are reading.

On a different note. I just compared EDIT macro performance versus
IPOUPDTE. IPOUPDTE was about 600 times faster.



On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:44 AM Farley, Peter x23353 <
031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Joseph,
>
> I agree with Michael, if you are trying to do this in a TSO session, then
> stop doing that.  Run it as a batch job.
>
> It still may not get done very quickly, it is common for the initiators
> that allow a programmer to run large CPU / large elapsed time batch jobs
> also get bumped way down in the performance settings.  That's a just fact
> of life for programmers.
>
> If you can get away with it, try to get the batch job bumped up in
> priority after it starts running, if you have any good friends in OPS.  Or
> you could try convincing your Capacity/Performance team that this really
> needs to get done and you need the performance boost to get it done in
> order to meet management's schedules.
>
> I would use the SORT utility at your shop as the main read/select process
> if at all possible, even if it means setting up E15 and/or E35 exits
> because the field selection or output re-formatting process needs more than
> SORT control cards can provide.  You may be surprised at how much SORT can
> do for you though.
>
> As a POC, I personally I would set up the select-a-file-to-process logic
> in Rexx and have Rexx invoke SORT to select the records I want extracted.
> From my experience SORT has MUCH better I/O and record-selection and output
> formatting performance than any other utility or custom program you can
> name.
>
> If that POC works for 100 datasets but still takes too much time, then
> re-code the select-a-file-to-process logic in COBOL (easier) or Assembler
> (a little harder) or your favorite compiled language (maybe Metal C?) and
> try that solution for 1000 files.
>
> Just saying how I would approach the problem.  I too have to deal
> regularly with very large VB files, so I do understand your predicament.
> SORT is your friend for such files.
>
> If you are up to learning yet another language, the z/OS port of the
> open-source lua scripting language is purported to be a pretty
> high-performance tool.  I don’t have any practical knowledge of it, just
> reporting what I have read.
>
> HTH
>
> Peter
>
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> On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 03:34:51PM -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote:
> > Seemed like I processed 100 files concatenated a lot quicker
> >
> > But I didn’t do any exact testing you may be right
>
> I'd get or build a subroutine which captured the current real and cputime
> (timeused macro?) and call it before/after each significant system call.
>
> This would include dynamic allocation, open, full file read, close, and
> dealloc.
>
> Then look at how long real/cpu each took.
>
> You've said you have 4471 files, but not:
>
>  How large each is, what type of device they are on (tape? disk? virt?)
>
>  > Huge amounts of DASD
>  > 4,608 VB (huge) files
>
>How much is "huge".  Given the size an estimate might be made
>on the time to just read that amount of data...
>
>  Is this a one time job or recurring every year, month, week, day?
>
> I'd suspect that if the delay is allocation/deallocation that they will
> ENQ while processing and only allow one at a time if you try to do more
> than one in a single address space.
>
> > Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under
> > TEST and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file
>
> That's about 19 files/minute so 4600 files is about 4 hours.  Is this
> really a problem?  How long do you have?
>
> This might also depend on how your system performance is tuned to deal
> with longer running TSO users (running as in not waiting for
> the terminal).   I remember TSO response tuning used to be (still is?)
> set to give a wake up from terminal wait a quick response but if the TSO
> session didn't go back to terminal wait push it's response down since it
> didn't seem to be getting done.  This helped maintain quick response for
> the other users doing shorter running commands.  A batch job might see
> vastly different tuning/performance.
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Re: dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
Joseph,

I agree with Michael, if you are trying to do this in a TSO session, then stop 
doing that.  Run it as a batch job.

It still may not get done very quickly, it is common for the initiators that 
allow a programmer to run large CPU / large elapsed time batch jobs also get 
bumped way down in the performance settings.  That's a just fact of life for 
programmers.

If you can get away with it, try to get the batch job bumped up in priority 
after it starts running, if you have any good friends in OPS.  Or you could try 
convincing your Capacity/Performance team that this really needs to get done 
and you need the performance boost to get it done in order to meet management's 
schedules.

I would use the SORT utility at your shop as the main read/select process if at 
all possible, even if it means setting up E15 and/or E35 exits because the 
field selection or output re-formatting process needs more than SORT control 
cards can provide.  You may be surprised at how much SORT can do for you though.

As a POC, I personally I would set up the select-a-file-to-process logic in 
Rexx and have Rexx invoke SORT to select the records I want extracted.  From my 
experience SORT has MUCH better I/O and record-selection and output formatting 
performance than any other utility or custom program you can name.

If that POC works for 100 datasets but still takes too much time, then re-code 
the select-a-file-to-process logic in COBOL (easier) or Assembler (a little 
harder) or your favorite compiled language (maybe Metal C?) and try that 
solution for 1000 files.

Just saying how I would approach the problem.  I too have to deal regularly 
with very large VB files, so I do understand your predicament.  SORT is your 
friend for such files.

If you are up to learning yet another language, the z/OS port of the 
open-source lua scripting language is purported to be a pretty high-performance 
tool.  I don’t have any practical knowledge of it, just reporting what I have 
read.

HTH

Peter

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On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 03:34:51PM -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote:
> Seemed like I processed 100 files concatenated a lot quicker
> 
> But I didn’t do any exact testing you may be right

I'd get or build a subroutine which captured the current real and cputime 
(timeused macro?) and call it before/after each significant system call.

This would include dynamic allocation, open, full file read, close, and dealloc.

Then look at how long real/cpu each took.

You've said you have 4471 files, but not:

 How large each is, what type of device they are on (tape? disk? virt?)

 > Huge amounts of DASD
 > 4,608 VB (huge) files

   How much is "huge".  Given the size an estimate might be made
   on the time to just read that amount of data...

 Is this a one time job or recurring every year, month, week, day?

I'd suspect that if the delay is allocation/deallocation that they will ENQ 
while processing and only allow one at a time if you try to do more than one in 
a single address space.

> Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under 
> TEST and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file

That's about 19 files/minute so 4600 files is about 4 hours.  Is this really a 
problem?  How long do you have?

This might also depend on how your system performance is tuned to deal with 
longer running TSO users (running as in not waiting for 
the terminal).   I remember TSO response tuning used to be (still is?)
set to give a wake up from terminal wait a quick response but if the TSO 
session didn't go back to terminal wait push it's response down since it didn't 
seem to be getting done.  This helped maintain quick response for the other 
users doing shorter running commands.  A batch job might see vastly different 
tuning/performance.
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Re: dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Michael Stein
On Tue, Oct 06, 2020 at 03:34:51PM -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote:
> Seemed like I processed 100 files concatenated a lot quicker 
> 
> But I didn’t do any exact testing you may be right 

I'd get or build a subroutine which captured the current real and cputime
(timeused macro?) and call it before/after each significant system call.

This would include dynamic allocation, open, full file read, close, 
and dealloc.

Then look at how long real/cpu each took.

You've said you have 4471 files, but not:

 How large each is, what type of device they are on (tape? disk? virt?)

 > Huge amounts of DASD
 > 4,608 VB (huge) files

   How much is "huge".  Given the size an estimate might be made
   on the time to just read that amount of data...

 Is this a one time job or recurring every year, month, week, day?

I'd suspect that if the delay is allocation/deallocation that they will
ENQ while processing and only allow one at a time if you try to do more
than one in a single address space.

> Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under
> TEST and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file

That's about 19 files/minute so 4600 files is about 4 hours.  Is this
really a problem?  How long do you have?

This might also depend on how your system performance is tuned to
deal with longer running TSO users (running as in not waiting for 
the terminal).   I remember TSO response tuning used to be (still is?)
set to give a wake up from terminal wait a quick response but if the TSO
session didn't go back to terminal wait push it's response down since
it didn't seem to be getting done.  This helped maintain quick response
for the other users doing shorter running commands.  A batch job
might see vastly different tuning/performance.

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Re: dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Charles Mills
Allocation takes time (everything does, of course) but you were allocating 
either way, right?

OPEN takes time, and you are now doing 'n' OPENs rather than one -- but OPEN is 
not "slow" -- not as slow as it was once -- and with concatenation you are 
doing a "mini-OPEN" under the covers every time you move from dataset to 
dataset. You could try this approach for 10 and try the concatenation approach 
for the same 10 and benchmark the two.

You could also do a combo of the two approaches: instead of concatenating all 
of them concatenate and process them 10 or 20 at a time.

Charles


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Seemed like I processed 100 files concatenated a lot quicker 

But I didn’t do any exact testing you may 
Be right 



> On Oct 6, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin 
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:56:21 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote:
>> 
>> I posted a problem last week regarding allocating a concatenated dataset a
>> few of you (Seymour,Paul Gilmartin) suggested that when processing the 4,608
>> VB (huge) files
>> 
> (I believe Lizette offered a similar suggestion.)
> 
>> That rather then concatenate them and when I reach the limit deco catenate
>> them
>> 
>> I just process on file at a time
>> Alloc
>> Open
>>Read
>>Close
>> Unalloc
>> 
>> Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under TEST
>> and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file
>> 
> How does that compare to the time it takes to process the 58 concatenated?
> Doesn't concatenation need the same 58 calls to DYNALLOC to allocate plus
> one more to CONCAT?
> 
> But concatenation might spare some OPEN/CLOSE/EOV overhead.
> 
> Does TEST make a difference?
> 
>> I am wondering whether BSAM with above the bar option would be worth the
>> effort if it sped things up
> 
> -- gil
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Re: dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Joseph Reichman
Seemed like I processed 100 files concatenated a lot quicker 

But I didn’t do any exact testing you may 
Be right 



> On Oct 6, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Paul Gilmartin 
> <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:56:21 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote:
>> 
>> I posted a problem last week regarding allocating a concatenated dataset a
>> few of you (Seymour,Paul Gilmartin) suggested that when processing the 4,608
>> VB (huge) files
>> 
> (I believe Lizette offered a similar suggestion.)
> 
>> That rather then concatenate them and when I reach the limit deco catenate
>> them
>> 
>> I just process on file at a time
>> Alloc
>> Open
>>Read
>>Close
>> Unalloc
>> 
>> Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under TEST
>> and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file
>> 
> How does that compare to the time it takes to process the 58 concatenated?
> Doesn't concatenation need the same 58 calls to DYNALLOC to allocate plus
> one more to CONCAT?
> 
> But concatenation might spare some OPEN/CLOSE/EOV overhead.
> 
> Does TEST make a difference?
> 
>> I am wondering whether BSAM with above the bar option would be worth the
>> effort if it sped things up
> 
> -- gil
> 
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Re: dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 14:56:21 -0400, Joseph Reichman wrote:
>
>I posted a problem last week regarding allocating a concatenated dataset a
>few of you (Seymour,Paul Gilmartin) suggested that when processing the 4,608
>VB (huge) files
> 
(I believe Lizette offered a similar suggestion.)

>That rather then concatenate them and when I reach the limit deco catenate
>them
>
>I just process on file at a time
>Alloc
>  Open
> Read
> Close
>Unalloc
>
>Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under TEST
>and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file
>
How does that compare to the time it takes to process the 58 concatenated?
Doesn't concatenation need the same 58 calls to DYNALLOC to allocate plus
one more to CONCAT?

But concatenation might spare some OPEN/CLOSE/EOV overhead.

Does TEST make a difference?

>I am wondering whether BSAM with above the bar option would be worth the
>effort if it sped things up

-- gil

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Re: dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Joseph Reichman
Thanks With the concatenation seemed to go a lot quicker I could be wrong 



> On Oct 6, 2020, at 3:19 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
> 
> Try kicking up BUFNO. I think QSAM is generally about 98% as good as it
> gets. I could be wrong.
> 
> Reading a big pile of big files is going to take some time no matter what
> you do.
> 
> Charles
> 
> 
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> Subject: dataset allocation
> 
> Hi
> 
> 
> 
> I posted a problem last week regarding allocating a concatenated dataset a
> few of you (Seymour,Paul Gilmartin) suggested that when processing the 4,608
> VB (huge) files
> 
> 
> 
> That rather then concatenate them and when I reach the limit deco catenate
> them 
> 
> I just process on file at a time
> 
> 
> 
> Alloc
> 
>  Open 
> 
> Read
> 
> Close
> 
> Unalloc
> 
> 
> 
> Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under TEST
> and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file
> 
> 
> 
> I am wondering whether BSAM with above the bar option would be worth the
> effort if it sped things up
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
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Re: dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Charles Mills
Try kicking up BUFNO. I think QSAM is generally about 98% as good as it
gets. I could be wrong.

Reading a big pile of big files is going to take some time no matter what
you do.

Charles


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Hi

 

I posted a problem last week regarding allocating a concatenated dataset a
few of you (Seymour,Paul Gilmartin) suggested that when processing the 4,608
VB (huge) files

 

That rather then concatenate them and when I reach the limit deco catenate
them 

I just process on file at a time

 

Alloc

  Open 

 Read

 Close

Unalloc

 

Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under TEST
and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file

 

I am wondering whether BSAM with above the bar option would be worth the
effort if it sped things up

 

Thanks


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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread Matthew Stitt
It is the last one processed that takes precedence.  Each one is processed from 
left to right with each parameter over riding the previous specification.

On my system I specify (00,HW,H8).  Note IEASYS00 is the first one processed.

Matthew
On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 11:32:34 +, Allan Staller  wrote:

>Classification:
>
>The Init/Tuning ref is quite specif c in the order of precedence between SYS00 
>and SYSxx.
>Remember, there may be more than one SYSxx. (e.g. SYSPARM=(aa,bb,cc,00) 
>specified in LOADxx,
>I don't remember if it is the 1st hit or last hit that wins.
>
>In either case, is possible to "functionally replace" IEASYS00 with other 
>members.
>
>HTH,
>
>

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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Roger Lowe
On Tue, 6 Oct 2020 09:31:26 -0700, Lizette Koehler  
wrote:

>If you fix the issue, and the DAE entry is still in place, you might not see 
>if there is an issue.
>
>So as always, it depends.
>
>By removing the entry in DAE it might show if you actually fixed it
>
>Lizette
>
>
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>
>I guess I don’t agree with that Lizette?  I mean we can agree to disagree, 
>there are many ways to run our environments, but clearing out DAE will just 
>retrigger DUMPs for repetitive issues all over again?  It may be old 
>technology, but it works!   1400+ unique entries in our 20% utilized dae 
>allocated at 45 trks.   Usually it’s the DB2 sysprogs that come to me to 
>re-enable a certain dump that’s being suppressed.
>
>Now, clearing out the sysplex dump directory regularly is something I agree 
>with.
>
>- DAE Display -
>  Row 1 to 14 of 1,437 
>Command ===>  Scroll ===> CSR  
>  Enter an Action Code next to an entry.   
>  Enter / next to an entry to choose from a list of Action Codes.  
>   
>  Dataset: 'SYS2.SYSPLEX.DAE'  
>  Dumps  since last DAE Display: 215 Total Dumps suppressed: 163672
>  Events since last DAE Display: 110606  Suppression rate:   94%   
>
Have a look in "hlq.SBLSCLI0(ADYUPDAT)" and you can possibly use that to manage 
DAE as one of the options is CLEANUP and with that you can specify that entries 
older than so many days are deleted - no need to compress DAE.

Roger

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dataset allocation

2020-10-06 Thread Joseph Reichman
Hi

 

I posted a problem last week regarding allocating a concatenated dataset a
few of you (Seymour,Paul Gilmartin) suggested that when processing the 4,608
VB (huge) files

 

That rather then concatenate them and when I reach the limit deco catenate
them 

I just process on file at a time

 

Alloc

  Open 

 Read

 Close

Unalloc

 

Well this process is taking forever. I initially ran the program under TEST
and it took 3 wall minutes to get to the 58th file

 

I am wondering whether BSAM with above the bar option would be worth the
effort if it sped things up

 

Thanks


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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you fix the issue, and the DAE entry is still in place, you might not see if 
there is an issue.

So as always, it depends.

By removing the entry in DAE it might show if you actually fixed it

Lizette


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I guess I don’t agree with that Lizette?  I mean we can agree to disagree, 
there are many ways to run our environments, but clearing out DAE will just 
retrigger DUMPs for repetitive issues all over again?  It may be old 
technology, but it works!   1400+ unique entries in our 20% utilized dae 
allocated at 45 trks.   Usually it’s the DB2 sysprogs that come to me to 
re-enable a certain dump that’s being suppressed.

Now, clearing out the sysplex dump directory regularly is something I agree 
with.

- DAE Display -
  Row 1 to 14 of 1,437 
Command ===>  Scroll ===> CSR  
  Enter an Action Code next to an entry.   
  Enter / next to an entry to choose from a list of Action Codes.  
   
  Dataset: 'SYS2.SYSPLEX.DAE'  
  Dumps  since last DAE Display: 215 Total Dumps suppressed: 163672
  Events since last DAE Display: 110606  Suppression rate:   94%   

_
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I have not read this whole thread, so I apologize if I cover the same ground

DAE dataset is very old technology.  It is a sequential file and I am not sure 
you can make it compressed.  That could be an RFS

Second - shutting down DAE like you did - is the correct process

There is no reason to keep everything in DAE unless you want to

Every time we put in a new z/OS OS. I clear out completely the DAE dataset.  

Depending on how active your system is for abends, you might just want to make 
it bigger.


You might need to put a process in place to clear it out weekly or daily or 
other


Lizette



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Before I open up a ticket with IBM I wanted to ask if the DAE dataset can be 
allocated as compressed? I tried to migrate our shared DAE dataset to a newly 
allocated one that with compression enabled. It didn't go well. One SVCDUMP we 
received was this; COMPID=SC143,ISSUER=ADYTRNS FAILURE IN THE TRANSACTION 
PROCESSOR FOR DAE

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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Jousma, David
I guess I don’t agree with that Lizette?  I mean we can agree to disagree, 
there are many ways to run our environments, but clearing out DAE will just 
retrigger DUMPs for repetitive issues all over again?  It may be old 
technology, but it works!   1400+ unique entries in our 20% utilized dae 
allocated at 45 trks.   Usually it’s the DB2 sysprogs that come to me to 
re-enable a certain dump that’s being suppressed.

Now, clearing out the sysplex dump directory regularly is something I agree 
with.

- DAE Display -
  Row 1 to 14 of 1,437 
Command ===>  Scroll ===> CSR  
  Enter an Action Code next to an entry.   
  Enter / next to an entry to choose from a list of Action Codes.  
   
  Dataset: 'SYS2.SYSPLEX.DAE'  
  Dumps  since last DAE Display: 215 Total Dumps suppressed: 163672
  Events since last DAE Display: 110606  Suppression rate:   94%   

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I have not read this whole thread, so I apologize if I cover the same ground

DAE dataset is very old technology.  It is a sequential file and I am not sure 
you can make it compressed.  That could be an RFS

Second - shutting down DAE like you did - is the correct process

There is no reason to keep everything in DAE unless you want to

Every time we put in a new z/OS OS. I clear out completely the DAE dataset.  

Depending on how active your system is for abends, you might just want to make 
it bigger.


You might need to put a process in place to clear it out weekly or daily or 
other


Lizette



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Before I open up a ticket with IBM I wanted to ask if the DAE dataset can be 
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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
I have not read this whole thread, so I apologize if I cover the same ground

DAE dataset is very old technology.  It is a sequential file and I am not sure 
you can make it compressed.  That could be an RFS

Second - shutting down DAE like you did - is the correct process

There is no reason to keep everything in DAE unless you want to

Every time we put in a new z/OS OS. I clear out completely the DAE dataset.  

Depending on how active your system is for abends, you might just want to make 
it bigger.


You might need to put a process in place to clear it out weekly or daily or 
other


Lizette



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Before I open up a ticket with IBM I wanted to ask if the DAE dataset can be 
allocated as compressed? I tried to migrate our shared DAE dataset to a newly 
allocated one that with compression enabled. It didn't go well. One SVCDUMP we 
received was this; COMPID=SC143,ISSUER=ADYTRNS FAILURE IN THE TRANSACTION 
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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Jim Mulder
  DAE uses QSAM  - the DCB is

DAEDCB DCB MACRF=(GL,PM),DSORG=PS,RECFM=FB,LRECL=255,EROPT=ACC

 I don't know offhand of anything that would preclude using 
compressed data set for DAE. 

Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test  IBM Corp. 
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> > 
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Re: How to Refresh System REXX Libraries

2020-10-06 Thread Lionel B Dyck
I tried to look at that RFE so I could vote for it but was told I wasn't 
authorized ☹


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To refresh the System REXX libraries, you'll need to stop System REXX, update 
AXRxx parmlib members and restart it. 
There is an open RFE against System REXX  (#49562)  to address this issue 
(Dynamic Reconfiguration of System REXX). 
 


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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Mark Jacobs
Point noted. Thanks.

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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Jousma, David
I guess my point was why even bother with dataset compression, even if it was 
100 cylinders.

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> > >
> > > shared DAE dataset to a newly allocated one that with compression
> > >
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> > > COMPID=SC143,ISSUER=ADYTRNS FAILURE IN THE TRANSACTION PROCESSOR 
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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Mark Jacobs
The old one is 6 cylinders in size and is 100% full. We're a software 
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> How big is your DAE dataset? We've got sysplex shared DAE, and it’s a 
> whopping 45 tracks, and only 20% utilized.
>
> Dave Jousma
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> > > dataset can be allocated as compressed? I tried to migrate our
> > >
> > > shared DAE dataset to a newly allocated one that with compression
> > >
> > > enabled. It didn't go well. One SVCDUMP we received was this;
> > >
> > > COMPID=SC143,ISSUER=ADYTRNS FAILURE IN THE TRANSACTION PROCESSOR FOR
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2020-10-06 Thread Jousma, David
How big is your DAE dataset? We've got sysplex shared DAE, and it’s a whopping 
45 tracks, and only 20% utilized.

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I issued a T DAE=01 to stop it across the sysplex, renamed the DAE datasets and 
then restarted DAE, T DAE=00.

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> On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Mark Jacobs wrote:
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> > Before I open up a ticket with IBM I wanted to ask if the DAE 
> > dataset can be allocated as compressed? I tried to migrate our 
> > shared DAE dataset to a newly allocated one that with compression 
> > enabled. It didn't go well. One SVCDUMP we received was this; 
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> Best guess is that datasets like DAE, LOGREC, etc. are so early in the
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> DFSMS comes up way later.
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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Mark Jacobs
I issued a T DAE=01 to stop it across the sysplex, renamed the DAE datasets and 
then restarted DAE, T DAE=00.

Mark Jacobs

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On Tuesday, October 6th, 2020 at 10:11 AM, Tom Conley 
 wrote:

> On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Mark Jacobs wrote:
>
> > Before I open up a ticket with IBM I wanted to ask if the DAE dataset can 
> > be allocated as compressed? I tried to migrate our shared DAE dataset to a 
> > newly allocated one that with compression enabled. It didn't go well. One 
> > SVCDUMP we received was this; COMPID=SC143,ISSUER=ADYTRNS FAILURE IN THE 
> > TRANSACTION PROCESSOR FOR DAE
> >
> > Mark Jacobs
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> Best guess is that datasets like DAE, LOGREC, etc. are so early in the
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> IPL that we don't have niceties like compression, extended format, etc.
>
> DFSMS comes up way later.
>
> Regards,
>
> Tom Conley
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Re: DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Tom Conley

On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Mark Jacobs wrote:

Before I open up a ticket with IBM I wanted to ask if the DAE dataset can be 
allocated as compressed? I tried to migrate our shared DAE dataset to a newly 
allocated one that with compression enabled. It didn't go well. One SVCDUMP we 
received was this; COMPID=SC143,ISSUER=ADYTRNS FAILURE IN THE TRANSACTION 
PROCESSOR FOR DAE

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Best guess is that datasets like DAE, LOGREC, etc. are so early in the 
IPL that we don't have niceties like compression, extended format, etc. 
DFSMS comes up way later.


Regards,
Tom Conley

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DAE Dataset - Compression

2020-10-06 Thread Mark Jacobs
Before I open up a ticket with IBM I wanted to ask if the DAE dataset can be 
allocated as compressed? I tried to migrate our shared DAE dataset to a newly 
allocated one that with compression enabled. It didn't go well. One SVCDUMP we 
received was this; COMPID=SC143,ISSUER=ADYTRNS FAILURE IN THE TRANSACTION 
PROCESSOR FOR DAE

Mark Jacobs

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How to Refresh System REXX Libraries

2020-10-06 Thread Harris Morgenstern
To refresh the System REXX libraries, you'll need to stop System REXX, 
update AXRxx parmlib members and restart it. 
There is an open RFE against System REXX  (#49562)  to address this issue 
(Dynamic Reconfiguration of System REXX). 
 


Harris Morgenstern
z/OS Storage Management and System REXX
Dept. OBPA
IBM Poughkeepsie
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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread Allan Staller
Classification:

Agreed!

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W dniu 06.10.2020 o 13:39, Barbara Nitz pisze:
>> In either case, is possible to "functionally replace" IEASYS00 with other 
>> members.
> We have ieasys00 in our regular parmlib, overriding the IBM delivered one. 
> All our ieasys00 contains is CLPA, meaning that we always IPL with CLPA. All 
> the rest of the parms are in sysplex-/system-specific ieasys-members. So the 
> requirement to read ieasys00 is fulfilled and we can start our system(s) the 
> way we like.

I have no member duplicates. All "IBM supplied" members do reside in 
"PARMLIB.ARCH" libraries which are out of PARMLIB concatenation. Just for 
reference. So whenever I see MEMBER00 I have no chance to view/edit wrong 
duplicate with same name but different content.

In this case I have one IEASYS00. Usually I don't need another one, but in rare 
cases I simply create copy IEASYS00 (with different suffix) and use it. And 
some comment inside to describe who, when, what and why. And that copy is still 
concatenated with IEASYS00, but all the content is overriden by the copy.

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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread Peter Relson
>Try ieasynck from sys1.samplib 

I don't know of such a member.

'sys1.samplib(SPPINST)' installs a tool for which the front exec is 
SYSPARM.  It has two main purposes -- help you to build a syntactically 
correct LOADxx and let you view what your parmlib members would look like 
with the identified set of system symbols. It does syntax-check GRSRNLxx.

FWIW, some parmlib members support the syntax-check option of the SET 
command. 

For example
SET PROG=(XX,C)

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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread R.S.

W dniu 06.10.2020 o 13:39, Barbara Nitz pisze:

In either case, is possible to "functionally replace" IEASYS00 with other 
members.

We have ieasys00 in our regular parmlib, overriding the IBM delivered one. All 
our ieasys00 contains is CLPA, meaning that we always IPL with CLPA. All the 
rest of the parms are in sysplex-/system-specific ieasys-members. So the 
requirement to read ieasys00 is fulfilled and we can start our system(s) the 
way we like.


I have no member duplicates. All "IBM supplied" members do reside in 
"PARMLIB.ARCH" libraries which are out of PARMLIB concatenation. Just 
for reference. So whenever I see MEMBER00 I have no chance to view/edit 
wrong duplicate with same name but different content.


In this case I have one IEASYS00. Usually I don't need another one, but 
in rare cases I simply create copy IEASYS00 (with different suffix) and 
use it. And some comment inside to describe who, when, what and why. And 
that copy is still concatenated with IEASYS00, but all the content is 
overriden by the copy.


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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread R.S.

You want something unnecessary and impossible. IEASYS00 has to be read.
But...

Why do you want 0B member?
a) you always choose 0B => just rename it to 00.

b) you want to have a choice (0B, AA, 04, 0C...)
In this case ...you have further choice:
b.1) you may create empty or "almost empty" IEASYS00. Just put there 
something irrelevant, but syntactically correct.
b.2) simply leave IEASYS00 as it is and put YOUR SETTINGS in IEASYS0B. 
In case of conflict 0B wins, so 00 definitions would remain ineffective.
b.3) leave IEASYS00, but leave only those options which are not present 
in your 0B member and other members (04, 0C...). Just for simplicity.



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W dniu 06.10.2020 o 13:29, Gadi Ben-Avi pisze:

I tried that.
It complained, and the IPL stoped.

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Classification:

Yo could try having no IEASYS00 in the parmlib concat

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You cannot, 00 is always used as the base, you can only concatenate over-rides to it.  
LOADxx and IEASYMxx will concatenate to 00, and WTOR response will over-ride LOADxx and 
IEASYMxx -- but I know of no way to eliminate 00 as a base.  Normally 0B would have all 
the needed over-ride values for 00 making it effectively the same as "only 0B" 
:)

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:


HI,
The output from D IPLINFO,SYSP is
IEE255I SYSTEM PARAMETER 'SYSP': (0B,00) I would like it to be only 0B

Gadi

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What does DISPLAY IPLINFO,SYSP show?

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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread Barbara Nitz
>In either case, is possible to "functionally replace" IEASYS00 with other 
>members.

We have ieasys00 in our regular parmlib, overriding the IBM delivered one. All 
our ieasys00 contains is CLPA, meaning that we always IPL with CLPA. All the 
rest of the parms are in sysplex-/system-specific ieasys-members. So the 
requirement to read ieasys00 is fulfilled and we can start our system(s) the 
way we like.

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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread Allan Staller
Classification:

The Init/Tuning ref is quite specific in the order of precedence between SYS00 
and SYSxx.
Remember, there may be more than one SYSxx. (e.g. SYSPARM=(aa,bb,cc,00) 
specified in LOADxx,
I don't remember if it is the 1st hit or last hit that wins.

In either case, is possible to "functionally replace" IEASYS00 with other 
members.

HTH,


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Hi,
During the IPL, The message:
IEA008I SYSTEM PARMS FOLLOW FOR z/OS 02.03.00 HBB77B0
IEASYS0B
IEASYS00
Was displayed.
I then see
IEE252I MEMBER IEASYS00 FOUND IN SYS1.PARMLIB IEA325I IEASYS00 PARAMETER LIST 
With a list of all of the parameters is IEASYS00 IEE252I MEMBER IEASYS0B FOUND 
IN SYS1.PARMLIB IEA325I IEASYS0B PARAMETER LIST With a list of all of the 
parameters is IEASYS0B IEE252I MEMBER IEASYS00 FOUND IN SYS1.PARMLIB IEA325I 
IEASYS00 PARAMETER LIST With a list of all of the parameters is IEASYS00

So it looks like IEASYS00 was read  twice.
When I looked in IEASYM00 it said:
SYSDEF  SYSPARM(00,L)
SYMDEF(='V919')
I changed IEASYM00 to:
SYSDEF  LPARNAME(CDVL) SYSPARM(0A,L)
SYMDEF(='V919')
SYSDEF  LPARNAME(CMP1) SYSPARM(0B,L)
SYMDEF(='V919')
Which I hope will fix the problem.

We have a product called Image Focus from NewEra Software, which among other 
things, parses  the PARMLIB.
It currently tells me that everything is OK.

I'll have to wait for the next IPL to check.

Gadi


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SYS1.SAMPLIB(SPPINST) Is the member that provides code to install the SYSPARM 
dialog.

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>I don't have a sysparm member in sys1.samplib, is it from an older release 
>than 2.3?
>
>Brian
>
Have a look in SAMPLIB for the "SPP*" members .

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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
I tried that. 
It complained, and the IPL stoped.

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Yo could try having no IEASYS00 in the parmlib concat

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You cannot, 00 is always used as the base, you can only concatenate over-rides 
to it.  LOADxx and IEASYMxx will concatenate to 00, and WTOR response will 
over-ride LOADxx and IEASYMxx -- but I know of no way to eliminate 00 as a 
base.  Normally 0B would have all the needed over-ride values for 00 making it 
effectively the same as "only 0B" :)

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

> HI,
> The output from D IPLINFO,SYSP is
> IEE255I SYSTEM PARAMETER 'SYSP': (0B,00) I would like it to be only 0B
>
> Gadi
>
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> What does DISPLAY IPLINFO,SYSP show?
>
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design
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Re: IEASYS problem

2020-10-06 Thread Allan Staller
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Yo could try having no IEASYS00 in the parmlib concat

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Attila Fogarasi
Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 11:42 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: IEASYS problem

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You cannot, 00 is always used as the base, you can only concatenate over-rides 
to it.  LOADxx and IEASYMxx will concatenate to 00, and WTOR response will 
over-ride LOADxx and IEASYMxx -- but I know of no way to eliminate 00 as a 
base.  Normally 0B would have all the needed over-ride values for 00 making it 
effectively the same as "only 0B" :)

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 3:18 PM Gadi Ben-Avi  wrote:

> HI,
> The output from D IPLINFO,SYSP is
> IEE255I SYSTEM PARAMETER 'SYSP': (0B,00) I would like it to be only 0B
>
> Gadi
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Peter Relson
> Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2020 4:46 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: IEASYS problem
>
> What does DISPLAY IPLINFO,SYSP show?
>
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design
>
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