Re: ADRDSSU and encrypted files

[Ron Hawkins]

Cameron,

I have forgotten more than I knew, and searching manuals no longer comes easy. 
Someone earlier mentioned using REPRO to decrypt the file as you back it up.

DF/dss will use REPRO for a logical backup, and the backup file is not 
encrypted.

The question then is, "When restoring, does DF/dss require the target dataset 
to be encrypted from a logical backup?" 

Ron

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Hi Cameron, to answer your base question... No, ADRDSSU does not support 
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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Lionel B. Dyck]

I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST documentation 
available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is going to transition 
the Redbooks into something better. With the web there are many more 
opportunities to provide documentation that contains the Redbook content but in 
more usable (and searchable) formats. If that is their plan then I'm on board 
but if they are going to do away with Redbooks, or make them marketing guides, 
then the IBM customer community needs to take a stand and let IBM know that 
they are making a significant mistake that *will* impact their future growth of 
the platform.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Cheryl Watson
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed that the 
lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining, and I find it very 
distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be the best documentation ever 
provided by IBM. Unfortunately, most of the Redbooks are now simply marketing 
guides. 

The post from Bill Bitner was from a Linux blog post. Is IBM speaking about 
Linux/Power Redbooks only? Does it also apply to z/OS Redbooks? 

Why isn't there more outrage on this forum? If you don't complain, IBM will 
bury these in one more opportunity to save money while leaving customers 
without the excellent resources they've had in the past.

If you want z/OS Redbooks, please make your voice heard here.

Thanks,
Cheryl

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Neale Ferguson
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Redbooks Rumor

I am hearing strong rumors that IBM is about to commit the type of corporate 
facepalm that is the stuff for future textbooks. Apparently Redbooks are no 
longer going to be a thing and the organization disbanded. If there’s one thing 
that has differentiated IBM in the mainframe space has been the quality of its 
documentation and, in particular, the type of HOW-TO information contained 
within Redbooks and Redpieces. These documents turn a “that’d be nice to do” 
into a proof-of-concept and finally into production. In doing so, they must be 
responsible for millions or billions of dollar in revenue to IBM.

Many of the topics of Redbooks cover are complex and even intimidating. They 
provide a step-by-step approach to learning and implementing using a group of 
people actually doing what they’re writing about. This is invaluable.

I hope these rumors are untrue but if not I think we should all be shouting 
from the roof until someone with some sense realizes how shortsighted this 
decision is.

Neale


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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Richards, Robert B. (CTR)]

This was posted by Bill Bitner (bitn...@us.ibm.com  on LINUX-390 a week ago:

"I do my best to stay out of the rumor business. Chris Konarski just tweeted 
that it is a misunderstanding"

https://twitter.com/ChrisKonarski/status/1454110707096637442

Chris is the IBM VP WW Technical Sales and Lab Services.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

Regards,
Bill
"Not speaking for IBM as far as they know"  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 6:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST documentation 
available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is going to transition 
the Redbooks into something better. With the web there are many more 
opportunities to provide documentation that contains the Redbook content but in 
more usable (and searchable) formats. If that is their plan then I'm on board 
but if they are going to do away with Redbooks, or make them marketing guides, 
then the IBM customer community needs to take a stand and let IBM know that 
they are making a significant mistake that *will* impact their future growth of 
the platform.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Cheryl Watson
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed that the 
lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining, and I find it very 
distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be the best documentation ever 
provided by IBM. Unfortunately, most of the Redbooks are now simply marketing 
guides. 

The post from Bill Bitner was from a Linux blog post. Is IBM speaking about 
Linux/Power Redbooks only? Does it also apply to z/OS Redbooks? 

Why isn't there more outrage on this forum? If you don't complain, IBM will 
bury these in one more opportunity to save money while leaving customers 
without the excellent resources they've had in the past.

If you want z/OS Redbooks, please make your voice heard here.

Thanks,
Cheryl

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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Neale Ferguson
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Redbooks Rumor

I am hearing strong rumors that IBM is about to commit the type of corporate 
facepalm that is the stuff for future textbooks. Apparently Redbooks are no 
longer going to be a thing and the organization disbanded. If there’s one thing 
that has differentiated IBM in the mainframe space has been the quality of its 
documentation and, in particular, the type of HOW-TO information contained 
within Redbooks and Redpieces. These documents turn a “that’d be nice to do” 
into a proof-of-concept and finally into production. In doing so, they must be 
responsible for millions or billions of dollar in revenue to IBM.

Many of the topics of Redbooks cover are complex and even intimidating. They 
provide a step-by-step approach to learning and implementing using a group of 
people actually doing what they’re writing about. This is invaluable.

I hope these rumors are untrue but if not I think we should all be shouting 
from the roof until someone with some sense realizes how shortsighted this 
decision is.

Neale


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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Lionel B. Dyck]

Robert - thank you - good to know.


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-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Richards, Robert B. (CTR)
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 6:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

This was posted by Bill Bitner (bitn...@us.ibm.com  on LINUX-390 a week ago:

"I do my best to stay out of the rumor business. Chris Konarski just tweeted 
that it is a misunderstanding"

https://twitter.com/ChrisKonarski/status/1454110707096637442

Chris is the IBM VP WW Technical Sales and Lab Services.

Have a nice weekend everyone.

Regards,
Bill
"Not speaking for IBM as far as they know"  

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 6:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST documentation 
available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is going to transition 
the Redbooks into something better. With the web there are many more 
opportunities to provide documentation that contains the Redbook content but in 
more usable (and searchable) formats. If that is their plan then I'm on board 
but if they are going to do away with Redbooks, or make them marketing guides, 
then the IBM customer community needs to take a stand and let IBM know that 
they are making a significant mistake that *will* impact their future growth of 
the platform.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Cheryl Watson
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed that the 
lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining, and I find it very 
distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be the best documentation ever 
provided by IBM. Unfortunately, most of the Redbooks are now simply marketing 
guides. 

The post from Bill Bitner was from a Linux blog post. Is IBM speaking about 
Linux/Power Redbooks only? Does it also apply to z/OS Redbooks? 

Why isn't there more outrage on this forum? If you don't complain, IBM will 
bury these in one more opportunity to save money while leaving customers 
without the excellent resources they've had in the past.

If you want z/OS Redbooks, please make your voice heard here.

Thanks,
Cheryl

==
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Watson & Walker, Inc.
www.watsonwalker.com
==

 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Neale Ferguson
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Redbooks Rumor

I am hearing strong rumors that IBM is about to commit the type of corporate 
facepalm that is the stuff for future textbooks. Apparently Redbooks are no 
longer going to be a thing and the organization disbanded. If there’s one thing 
that has differentiated IBM in the mainframe space has been the quality of its 
documentation and, in particular, the type of HOW-TO information contained 
within Redbooks and Redpieces. These documents turn a “that’d be nice to do” 
into a proof-of-concept and finally into production. In doing so, they must be 
responsible for millions or billions of dollar in revenue to IBM.

Many of the topics of Redbooks cover are complex and even intimidating. They 
provide a step-by-step approach to learning and implementing using a group of 
people actually doing what they’re writing about. This is invaluable.

I hope these rumors are untrue but if not I think we should all be shouting 
from the roof until someone with some sense realizes how shortsighted this 
decision is.

Neale


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Re: AutoIPL Failure, just curious

[Mark Jacobs]

We had a 084 RC 0C wait state on that lpar, and no I didn't take a SAD. I can 
fully grok that one of our developers overlayed storage. Thanks for the 
information.

Mark Jacobs

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On Thursday, November 4th, 2021 at 11:46 PM, Jim Mulder  
wrote:

> Why did the system go into a wait state?
>
> Was a standalone dump taken?
>
> When we process a DIAGxx that specifies MVS(LAST), we copy
>
> CVTSYSAD into DgnbAIMvsUCBAddr (in SYS1.MODGEN(IGVDGNB)).
>
> When we try to AutoIPL that MVS, we get the device number from
>
> UCBCHAN in the UCB pointed to by DgnbAIMvsUCBAddr.
>
> So a storage overlay of DgnbAIMvsUCBAddr or of UCBCHAN would
>
> result in a wrong device number being used for AutoIPL.
>
> Jim Mulder z/OS Diagnosis, Design, Development, Test IBM Corp.
>
> Poughkeepsie NY
>
> "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU wrote on
>
> 11/04/2021 08:42:46 PM:
>
> > From: "Mark Jacobs" 0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu
> >
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >
> > Date: 11/04/2021 11:38 PM
> >
> > Subject: AutoIPL Failure, just curious
> >
> > Sent by: "IBM Mainframe Discussion List" IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >
> > One of out systems went into a wait state today and autoipl was
> >
> > attempted. It failed with this message (from the HMC Hardware Events
>
> log)
>
> > A load failure occurred on logical partition  because a device
> >
> > address control block (DACB) was not found. Unit address = 5810.
> >
> > That unit address is not in our IODF. A manual activation was needed
> >
> > to bring it back up. I'm just curious how/why this error occurred.
> >
> > Mark Jacobs
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Re: ADRDSSU and encrypted files

[Cameron Conacher]

Hello there,
We decided to encourage our security folks to install the encryption master 
keys in the new environment and proceed from there.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

…….Cameron




-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Ron 
Hawkins
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 5:21 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: ADRDSSU and encrypted files

Cameron,

I have forgotten more than I knew, and searching manuals no longer comes easy. 
Someone earlier mentioned using REPRO to decrypt the file as you back it up.

DF/dss will use REPRO for a logical backup, and the backup file is not 
encrypted.

The question then is, "When restoring, does DF/dss require the target dataset 
to be encrypted from a logical backup?"

Ron

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Sent: Friday, 5 November 2021 2:57 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] ADRDSSU and encrypted files

Hi Cameron, to answer your base question... No, ADRDSSU does not support 
decrypting an encrypted file during the dump process.

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Re: ADRDSSU and encrypted files

[Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw]

Good. The best (most secure) solution.

Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw
https://rsclweb.com 
‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’

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Sent: 05 November 2021 12:40
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Subject: Re: ADRDSSU and encrypted files

Hello there,
We decided to encourage our security folks to install the encryption master 
keys in the new environment and proceed from there.

Thanks to everyone who responded.

…….Cameron




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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: [External] Re: ADRDSSU and encrypted files

Cameron,

I have forgotten more than I knew, and searching manuals no longer comes easy. 
Someone earlier mentioned using REPRO to decrypt the file as you back it up.

DF/dss will use REPRO for a logical backup, and the backup file is not 
encrypted.

The question then is, "When restoring, does DF/dss require the target dataset 
to be encrypted from a logical backup?"

Ron

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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] ADRDSSU and encrypted files

Hi Cameron, to answer your base question... No, ADRDSSU does not support 
decrypting an encrypted file during the dump process.

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Re: Volume allocated to *MASTER*

[Peter Relson]

>I thought that you could only have a PDSE after MSI. 

Nope. You can have PDSEs in the LNKLST. Modules in any data set in the 
LNKLST can be used whenever the LNKLST is available.

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Re: ADRDSSU and encrypted files

[John McKown]

Excellent! That's the only secure way to do it. Be sure to erase the keys
ASAP.

On Friday, November 5, 2021, Cameron Conacher <
03cfc59146bb-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Hello there,
> We decided to encourage our security folks to install the encryption
> master keys in the new environment and proceed from there.
>
> Thanks to everyone who responded.
>
> …….Cameron
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Ron Hawkins
> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 5:21 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: [External] Re: ADRDSSU and encrypted files
>
> Cameron,
>
> I have forgotten more than I knew, and searching manuals no longer comes
> easy. Someone earlier mentioned using REPRO to decrypt the file as you back
> it up.
>
> DF/dss will use REPRO for a logical backup, and the backup file is not
> encrypted.
>
> The question then is, "When restoring, does DF/dss require the target
> dataset to be encrypted from a logical backup?"
>
> Ron
>
> -Original Message-
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> Of Glenn Wilcock
> Sent: Friday, 5 November 2021 2:57 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] ADRDSSU and encrypted files
>
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> decrypting an encrypted file during the dump process.
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Re: I tend to skip over the subject of emails

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 05:24:17 +, kekronbekron wrote:

>On covering multiple things in a mail, I often find that listing numbered 
>things help.
>Even if something is missed, you can just ask, what about #2, for example.
> 
I prefer to insert each answer in conversational order, *after* the question to 
which
it relates.  No need to number.  Then I trim, discarding material on which I 
have
not commented.  I don't believe each ply should echo the entire prior thread
including legal disclaimers.

iOS Mail is clever  Its quick preview shows the first few *unquoted* lines.

And it's irritating when someone who has read only the first ply in a thread
follows up with a question long since asked and answered.

-- gil

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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Michael Watkins]

"if IBM is going to transition the Redbooks into something better"?

It looks like IBM is transitioning to ibm.com/docs, where an isolated piece of 
documentation is given to you without any of the surrounding related 
information. This is hardly better. The most expensive part of z/OS TOC is 
probably labor. If IBM increases the cost of labor by failing to provide easy 
to access documentation, it's just another blow to the z/OS platform.  I thank 
God that retirement is starting to look feasible.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 5:53 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email 
system.
DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the sender 
and know the content is safe.

I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST documentation 
available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is going to transition 
the Redbooks into something better. With the web there are many more 
opportunities to provide documentation that contains the Redbook content but in 
more usable (and searchable) formats. If that is their plan then I'm on board 
but if they are going to do away with Redbooks, or make them marketing guides, 
then the IBM customer community needs to take a stand and let IBM know that 
they are making a significant mistake that *will* impact their future growth of 
the platform.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
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"Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are."   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Cheryl Watson
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed that the 
lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining, and I find it very 
distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be the best documentation ever 
provided by IBM. Unfortunately, most of the Redbooks are now simply marketing 
guides.

The post from Bill Bitner was from a Linux blog post. Is IBM speaking about 
Linux/Power Redbooks only? Does it also apply to z/OS Redbooks?

Why isn't there more outrage on this forum? If you don't complain, IBM will 
bury these in one more opportunity to save money while leaving customers 
without the excellent resources they've had in the past.

If you want z/OS Redbooks, please make your voice heard here.

Thanks,
Cheryl

==
Cheryl Watson Walker, CEO
Watson & Walker, Inc.
https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watsonwalker.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C2e3a6dbe5e3c42ad8d0d08d9a04a716a%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C637717063875460424%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Iuq7LFu50LvfLdEt5kL0799mlZa72BAddLk5mtZpz4I%3D&reserved=0
==



-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Neale Ferguson
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Redbooks Rumor

I am hearing strong rumors that IBM is about to commit the type of corporate 
facepalm that is the stuff for future textbooks. Apparently Redbooks are no 
longer going to be a thing and the organization disbanded. If there's one thing 
that has differentiated IBM in the mainframe space has been the quality of its 
documentation and, in particular, the type of HOW-TO information contained 
within Redbooks and Redpieces. These documents turn a "that'd be nice to do" 
into a proof-of-concept and finally into production. In doing so, they must be 
responsible for millions or billions of dollar in revenue to IBM.

Many of the topics of Redbooks cover are complex and even intimidating. They 
provide a step-by-step approach to learning and implementing using a group of 
people actually doing what they're writing about. This is invaluable.

I hope these

Re: Redbooks Rumor

[kekronbekron]

In loathing IBM, Apple became it.
Now it's time for IBM to become Apple by enriching their walled garden, and let 
only 'Kyndrd' souls tend to the zOS garden.
Hoover up all docos, talk to our salesman instead.

- KB

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On Friday, November 5th, 2021 at 7:01 PM, Michael Watkins 
<032966e74d0f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> "if IBM is going to transition the Redbooks into something better"?
>
> It looks like IBM is transitioning to ibm.com/docs, where an isolated piece 
> of documentation is given to you without any of the surrounding related 
> information. This is hardly better. The most expensive part of z/OS TOC is 
> probably labor. If IBM increases the cost of labor by failing to provide easy 
> to access documentation, it's just another blow to the z/OS platform. I thank 
> God that retirement is starting to look feasible.
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of 
> Lionel B. Dyck
>
> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 5:53 AM
>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email 
> system.
>
> DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the sender 
> and know the content is safe.
>
> I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST documentation 
> available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is going to transition 
> the Redbooks into something better. With the web there are many more 
> opportunities to provide documentation that contains the Redbook content but 
> in more usable (and searchable) formats. If that is their plan then I'm on 
> board but if they are going to do away with Redbooks, or make them marketing 
> guides, then the IBM customer community needs to take a stand and let IBM 
> know that they are making a significant mistake that will impact their future 
> growth of the platform.
>
> Lionel B. Dyck <><
>
> Website: 
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com%2F&data=04|01|michael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV|2e3a6dbe5e3c42ad8d0d08d9a04a716a|2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08|0|0|637717063875460424|Unknown|TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D|1000&sdata=kQ5qQ8b69SI%2F0CyUPvczqR%2BOoKhBr31v5Mjd%2BpCMBBk%3D&reserved=0
>
> Github: 
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flbdyck&data=04|01|michael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV|2e3a6dbe5e3c42ad8d0d08d9a04a716a|2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08|0|0|637717063875460424|Unknown|TWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D|1000&sdata=bF8E7Q2nVxMUbzidS3mxL010xaQuGxC5LQsCyX5qV0I%3D&reserved=0
>
> "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you 
> are, reputation merely what others think you are." - - - John Wooden
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of 
> Cheryl Watson
>
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
>
> This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed that the 
> lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining, and I find it very 
> distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be the best documentation ever 
> provided by IBM. Unfortunately, most of the Redbooks are now simply marketing 
> guides.
>
> The post from Bill Bitner was from a Linux blog post. Is IBM speaking about 
> Linux/Power Redbooks only? Does it also apply to z/OS Redbooks?
>
> Why isn't there more outrage on this forum? If you don't complain, IBM will 
> bury these in one more opportunity to save money while leaving customers 
> without the excellent resources they've had in the past.
>
> If you want z/OS Redbooks, please make your voice heard here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cheryl
>
> ===
>
> Cheryl Watson Walker, CEO
>
> Watson & Walker, Inc.
>
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watsonwalker.com%2F&data=04|01|michael.watkins%40CP

Re: Volume allocated to *MASTER*

[Seymour J Metz]

Are you saying that LNKLSTxx can now specify a PDSE? If so, in which release 
was that added? Thanks.


--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Peter Relson [rel...@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 8:59 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Volume allocated to *MASTER*

>I thought that you could only have a PDSE after MSI.

Nope. You can have PDSEs in the LNKLST. Modules in any data set in the
LNKLST can be used whenever the LNKLST is available.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Seymour J Metz]

Some of the OS/360 documentation was excellent. Of course, some was appalling.

--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Lionel B. Dyck [lbd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 6:52 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST documentation 
available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is going to transition 
the Redbooks into something better. With the web there are many more 
opportunities to provide documentation that contains the Redbook content but in 
more usable (and searchable) formats. If that is their plan then I'm on board 
but if they are going to do away with Redbooks, or make them marketing guides, 
then the IBM customer community needs to take a stand and let IBM know that 
they are making a significant mistake that *will* impact their future growth of 
the platform.


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
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“Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are.”   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Cheryl Watson
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed that the 
lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining, and I find it very 
distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be the best documentation ever 
provided by IBM. Unfortunately, most of the Redbooks are now simply marketing 
guides.

The post from Bill Bitner was from a Linux blog post. Is IBM speaking about 
Linux/Power Redbooks only? Does it also apply to z/OS Redbooks?

Why isn't there more outrage on this forum? If you don't complain, IBM will 
bury these in one more opportunity to save money while leaving customers 
without the excellent resources they've had in the past.

If you want z/OS Redbooks, please make your voice heard here.

Thanks,
Cheryl

==
Cheryl Watson Walker, CEO
Watson & Walker, Inc.
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==



-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Neale Ferguson
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:03 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Redbooks Rumor

I am hearing strong rumors that IBM is about to commit the type of corporate 
facepalm that is the stuff for future textbooks. Apparently Redbooks are no 
longer going to be a thing and the organization disbanded. If there’s one thing 
that has differentiated IBM in the mainframe space has been the quality of its 
documentation and, in particular, the type of HOW-TO information contained 
within Redbooks and Redpieces. These documents turn a “that’d be nice to do” 
into a proof-of-concept and finally into production. In doing so, they must be 
responsible for millions or billions of dollar in revenue to IBM.

Many of the topics of Redbooks cover are complex and even intimidating. They 
provide a step-by-step approach to learning and implementing using a group of 
people actually doing what they’re writing about. This is invaluable.

I hope these rumors are untrue but if not I think we should all be shouting 
from the roof until someone with some sense realizes how shortsighted this 
decision is.

Neale

Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Colin Paice]

I used to think that Redbooks were an admission that product documentation
was not very good.
I explained to someone; the product documentation tells you how to adjust
your tappets.  What red books did was to say this is how you unlock the
car, put the seat belt on (not always obvious), and tell you if it was an
automatic or stick shift.

I find the IBM Doc site very slow (10 seconds to get into it) - not a good
advertisement for IBM servers.   (most of the time "scripting")
I hope they provide PDF's rather than just web pages.
Colin

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 13:32, Michael Watkins <
032966e74d0f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> "if IBM is going to transition the Redbooks into something better"?
>
> It looks like IBM is transitioning to ibm.com/docs, where an isolated
> piece of documentation is given to you without any of the surrounding
> related information. This is hardly better. The most expensive part of z/OS
> TOC is probably labor. If IBM increases the cost of labor by failing to
> provide easy to access documentation, it's just another blow to the z/OS
> platform.  I thank God that retirement is starting to look feasible.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Lionel B. Dyck
> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 5:53 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's
> email system.
> DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the
> sender and know the content is safe.
>
> I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST documentation
> available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is going to
> transition the Redbooks into something better. With the web there are many
> more opportunities to provide documentation that contains the Redbook
> content but in more usable (and searchable) formats. If that is their plan
> then I'm on board but if they are going to do away with Redbooks, or make
> them marketing guides, then the IBM customer community needs to take a
> stand and let IBM know that they are making a significant mistake that
> *will* impact their future growth of the platform.
>
>
> Lionel B. Dyck <><
> Website:
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.lbdsoftware.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C2e3a6dbe5e3c42ad8d0d08d9a04a716a%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C637717063875460424%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=kQ5qQ8b69SI%2F0CyUPvczqR%2BOoKhBr31v5Mjd%2BpCMBBk%3D&reserved=0
> Github:
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Flbdyck&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C2e3a6dbe5e3c42ad8d0d08d9a04a716a%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C637717063875460424%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=bF8E7Q2nVxMUbzidS3mxL010xaQuGxC5LQsCyX5qV0I%3D&reserved=0
>
> "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what
> you are, reputation merely what others think you are."   - - - John Wooden
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Cheryl Watson
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
>
> This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed that
> the lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining, and I find
> it very distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be the best
> documentation ever provided by IBM. Unfortunately, most of the Redbooks are
> now simply marketing guides.
>
> The post from Bill Bitner was from a Linux blog post. Is IBM speaking
> about Linux/Power Redbooks only? Does it also apply to z/OS Redbooks?
>
> Why isn't there more outrage on this forum? If you don't complain, IBM
> will bury these in one more opportunity to save money while leaving
> customers without the excellent resources they've had in the past.
>
> If you want z/OS Redbooks, please make your voice heard here.
>
> Thanks,
> Cheryl
>
> ==
> Cheryl Watson Walker, CEO
> Watson & Walker, Inc.
>
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watsonwalker.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7C2e3a6dbe5e3c42ad8d0d08d9a04a716a%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0%7C0%7C637717063875460424%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Iuq7LFu50LvfLdEt5kL0799mlZa72BAddLk5mtZpz4I%3D&reserved=0
> ==
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf
> Of Neale Ferguson
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 10:03 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Redbooks Rumor
>
> I am hearing strong rumors that IBM is about to commit the type of
> corporate facepalm that 

Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Michael Watkins]

Yes, PDFs, not webpages.

Sometimes the network on my end is a little shaky. This might especially be the 
case in a disaster situation.

Having the documentation in PDF form and downloaded onto the C: drive of my 
laptop gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Colin Paice
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 9:03 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor

CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email 
system.
DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the sender 
and know the content is safe.

I used to think that Redbooks were an admission that product documentation was 
not very good.
I explained to someone; the product documentation tells you how to adjust your 
tappets.  What red books did was to say this is how you unlock the car, put the 
seat belt on (not always obvious), and tell you if it was an automatic or stick 
shift.

I find the IBM Doc site very slow (10 seconds to get into it) - not a good
advertisement for IBM servers.   (most of the time "scripting")
I hope they provide PDF's rather than just web pages.
Colin

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 13:32, Michael Watkins < 
032966e74d0f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> "if IBM is going to transition the Redbooks into something better"?
>
> It looks like IBM is transitioning to ibm.com/docs, where an isolated 
> piece of documentation is given to you without any of the surrounding 
> related information. This is hardly better. The most expensive part of 
> z/OS TOC is probably labor. If IBM increases the cost of labor by 
> failing to provide easy to access documentation, it's just another 
> blow to the z/OS platform.  I thank God that retirement is starting to look 
> feasible.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Lionel B. Dyck
> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 5:53 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's 
> email system.
> DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the 
> sender and know the content is safe.
>
> I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST 
> documentation available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is 
> going to transition the Redbooks into something better. With the web 
> there are many more opportunities to provide documentation that 
> contains the Redbook content but in more usable (and searchable) 
> formats. If that is their plan then I'm on board but if they are going 
> to do away with Redbooks, or make them marketing guides, then the IBM 
> customer community needs to take a stand and let IBM know that they 
> are making a significant mistake that
> *will* impact their future growth of the platform.
>
>
> Lionel B. Dyck <><
> Website:
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> lbdsoftware.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%
> 7Cd63bdbe632ee4f2e0bf308d9a0651c56%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%
> 7C0%7C0%7C637717178405312341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM
> DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dBX
> aJrsFEfs80ICrD9ka1ZxCxltvqsCIoRhoc9%2Fy%2F1U%3D&reserved=0
> Github:
> https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
> ub.com%2Flbdyck&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7Cd
> 63bdbe632ee4f2e0bf308d9a0651c56%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0
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> LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=t2X1hz
> bO6CvrSrgVpXUS3ABfkehHJv0Q3Rj1WtgNhCo%3D&reserved=0
>
> "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what
> you are, reputation merely what others think you are."   - - - John Wooden
>
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Cheryl Watson
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
>
> This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed 
> that the lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining, 
> and I find it very distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be 
> the best documentation ever provided by IBM. Unfortunately, most of 
> the Redbooks are now simply marketing guides.
>
> The post from Bill Bitner was from a Linux blog post. Is IBM speaking 
> about Linux/Power Redbooks only? Does it also apply to z/OS Redbooks?
>
> Why isn't there more outrage on this forum? If you don't complain, IBM 
> will bury these in one more opportunity to save money while leaving 
> customers without the excellent resources they've had in the past.
>
> If you want z/OS Redbooks, please make your voice heard here.
>
> Thanks,
> Cheryl
>
> ==
> Cheryl Watson Walker, CEO
> Watson & Walker, Inc.
>
> https://gcc02.safelin

Re: Volume allocated to *MASTER*

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

Last 20+ years LNKLST can be defined using PROGxx members.
Old documentation say " Instead of using LNKLSTxx to specify the LNKLST 
concatenation, consider using PROGxx. " - that's what I read in 1999 (in 
the times of OS/390).


And some PDSE libraries on the LNKLST are really obvious, example: 
SYS1.SIEALNKE.



However if anyone insist to use LNKLSTxx member then voila: "When 
cataloged in the master catalog, LNKLSTdatasets can be either PDSs or 
PDSEs." - this is OS/390 documentation, 90's.


--
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Lodz, Poland




W dniu 05.11.2021 o 14:47, Seymour J Metz pisze:

Are you saying that LNKLSTxx can now specify a PDSE? If so, in which release 
was that added? Thanks.


--
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Peter Relson [rel...@us.ibm.com]
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 8:59 AM
To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Volume allocated to *MASTER*


I thought that you could only have a PDSE after MSI.

Nope. You can have PDSEs in the LNKLST. Modules in any data set in the
LNKLST can be used whenever the LNKLST is available.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design



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Re: I tend to skip over the subject of emails

[Tom Brennan]

I do that sometimes with multiple items, or at least put each item on a 
single line.  I remember one time where (yes I was being a jerk) I had 
so much trouble with a particular person I emailed them a URL to a quick 
web page I made with check boxes and input fields.  I was surprised it 
worked!


On 11/4/2021 10:24 PM, kekronbekron wrote:

On covering multiple things in a mail, I often find that listing numbered 
things help.
Even if something is missed, you can just ask, what about #2, for example.

- KB

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On Friday, November 5th, 2021 at 3:12 AM, Stuart Holland 
 wrote:


I found that not only is the subject often ignored, I can't ask for more

than one piece of information in an email. I will only get the answer to

the first question. And if I respond to a question with additional

information in anticipation of the next question, I will always get

asked what I just answered anyway.

On 11/4/2021 3:53 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:


I tend to skip over the subject of emails.  I don't know why.  I do

the same when reading section headings in manuals - some kind of

psycho thing I guess.  So for others who might have the same problem,

I sometimes put the same text as the subject in the first part of the

email body.

On 11/4/2021 10:33 AM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:


I already apologized,literally,

yeah, sorry Ed, that's your subject of the post :(

thanks Bob !

nevermind :

working 2 PC's at home back and forth, I neglected to comprehend

fully the need.

again - SORRY

Carmen

On 11/4/2021 10:07 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


On 11/4/2021 8:01 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) wrote:


Ed wants a programmatic way of doing it, not logging on to a system

and issuing ISMF commands from within the dialog.


I literally put that fundamental requirement in the subject line of

my post.

For some reason, my query has been totally misunderstood by the

majority of respondents.

I'm baffled by it...


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Re: Volume allocated to *MASTER*

[Seymour J Metz]

IMHO a master catalog requirement is a show stopper. To me that says that 
LNKLSTxx is not a viable option.

FWIW, I wouldn't have spent the resources to enhance LNKLSTxx either.


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
Radoslaw Skorupka 
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:51 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Volume allocated to *MASTER*

Last 20+ years LNKLST can be defined using PROGxx members.
Old documentation say " Instead of using LNKLSTxx to specify the LNKLST
concatenation, consider using PROGxx. " - that's what I read in 1999 (in
the times of OS/390).

And some PDSE libraries on the LNKLST are really obvious, example:
SYS1.SIEALNKE.


However if anyone insist to use LNKLSTxx member then voila: "When
cataloged in the master catalog, LNKLSTdatasets can be either PDSs or
PDSEs." - this is OS/390 documentation, 90's.

--
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Lodz, Poland




W dniu 05.11.2021 o 14:47, Seymour J Metz pisze:
> Are you saying that LNKLSTxx can now specify a PDSE? If so, in which release 
> was that added? Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
> Peter Relson [rel...@us.ibm.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 8:59 AM
> To:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Volume allocated to *MASTER*
>
>> I thought that you could only have a PDSE after MSI.
> Nope. You can have PDSEs in the LNKLST. Modules in any data set in the
> LNKLST can be used whenever the LNKLST is available.
>
> Peter Relson
> z/OS Core Technology Design
>

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Multiple TSO logons within sysplex

[Radoslaw Skorupka]

I just re-read Configuring ISPF for Fun and Profit presentation and 
found the following link:
http://home.roadrunner.com/~pinncons/TSO LOGON with the Same Userid on 
Multiple LPARs in a Sysplex.pdf


However the link is dead.
Does anyone have the presentation?
Or any other presentation on the topic.

My goal is to enable multiple TSO/ISPF logons within sysplex.
What I know:
- ISPPROF dataset can be shared now (it has changed)
- LIST, LOG, TEMP datasets should not be shared. The solution is exit 16 
or ISPF Configuration Utility (add &SYSNAME to the DSNs).

- I'm not sure about PDF edit recovery files.
- Did I miss something?

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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Bob Bridges]

I can't tell, Colin:  Is this facetism?  Some months ago, or maybe a year, I 
found I was no longer able to access the on-line HTMLs; I had to content myself 
with downloaded PDFs (and hope that I'd remember to download the updates as 
often as necessary).  It is nice, I agree, to know that the documentation I've 
remembered to download is at my fingertips even when my internet connection is 
down.  Not so great to know that I can't look up something new during that 
time.  And I really liked the HTML search function; the analogue in PDFs isn't 
as useful.

I supposed that PDF downloads are the only option, nowadays.  Are you saying 
the on-line HTMLs are still available somewhere?

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are happy or not.  The cure for it is occupation.  -George Bernard Shaw 
(1856-1950) */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Colin Paice
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 10:03

I find the IBM Doc site very slow (10 seconds to get into it) - not a good
advertisement for IBM servers.   (most of the time "scripting")
I hope they provide PDF's rather than just web pages.

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Re: I tend to skip over the subject of emails

[Bob Bridges]

One thing (perhaps the only thing) that I like about Lotus Notes over MS 
Outlook -- and those are the only two ever available at a client site -- is its 
ability to create "expandable" paragraphs.  When I want to pack a lot of 
information into a single email, I can create "optional" paragraphs led by a 
header in bold, then hide that section.  If my boss wants to know "Why It 
Happened", he can click on that header and read the history of the problem; 
otherwise he can ignore it and read only "How We Can Fix It".  Or whatever.

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/* I'll tell you what kind of guy I was:  If you ordered a boxcar full of 
sons-of-bitches and opened the door and only found me inside, you could 
consider the order filled.  -Robert Mitchum */

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Tom 
Brennan
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 11:12

I do that sometimes with multiple items, or at least put each item on a single 
line.  I remember one time where (yes I was being a jerk) I had so much trouble 
with a particular person I emailed them a URL to a quick web page I made with 
check boxes and input fields.  I was surprised it worked!

--- On 11/4/2021 10:24 PM, kekronbekron wrote:
> On covering multiple things in a mail, I often find that listing numbered 
> things help.
> Even if something is missed, you can just ask, what about #2, for example.

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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 12:44:59 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote:

>I can't tell, Colin:  Is this facetism?  Some months ago, or maybe a year, I 
>found I was no longer able to access the on-line HTMLs; 
>
In recent weeks, less than that year, I've found access to on-line HTMLs much 
improved.
A Google search for " site:ibm.com" usually gets me a very useful 
hitlist.
And the "Change Version" popup is working better than previously.

>I had to content myself with downloaded PDFs (and hope that I'd remember to 
>download the updates as often as necessary).  It is nice, I agree, to know 
>that the documentation I've remembered to download is at my fingertips even 
>when my internet connection is down.  Not so great to know that I can't look 
>up something new during that time.  And I really liked the HTML search 
>function; the analogue in PDFs isn't as useful.
> 
The index.pdx database, useful in 2.4 is absent from 2.5.

>I supposed that PDF downloads are the only option, nowadays.  Are you saying 
>the on-line HTMLs are still available somewhere?

-- gil

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Join the z/OSMF Community Guild

[Marna WALLE]

Hello all,
I would like to invite you and your colleagues to our z/OSMF Community Guild, 
which will be held on the third Wednesday of the month, starting this November 
17, 2021 from 10:00am to 11:00am est. The z/OSMF team will hold regularly 
scheduled meetings with z/OSMF users to discuss deep dives on technical topics, 
demos, best practices, and gather input on future features.

This is an open, public forum. We will not require any non-disclosure 
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Please enroll here: http://ibm.biz/zOSMFGuild

I also encourage you to join the z/OSMF Community Page ( 
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Re: Multiple TSO logons within sysplex

[Carmen Vitullo]

I do have a DOC for z/os 1.12 if you want I can provide, this was from 
an IBM presentation


On 11/5/2021 10:57 AM, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
I just re-read Configuring ISPF for Fun and Profit presentation and 
found the following link:
http://home.roadrunner.com/~pinncons/TSO LOGON with the Same Userid on 
Multiple LPARs in a Sysplex.pdf


However the link is dead.
Does anyone have the presentation?
Or any other presentation on the topic.

My goal is to enable multiple TSO/ISPF logons within sysplex.
What I know:
- ISPPROF dataset can be shared now (it has changed)
- LIST, LOG, TEMP datasets should not be shared. The solution is exit 
16 or ISPF Configuration Utility (add &SYSNAME to the DSNs).

- I'm not sure about PDF edit recovery files.
- Did I miss something?


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Re: Multiple TSO logons within sysplex

[Grant Taylor]

On 11/5/21 12:58 PM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
I do have a DOC for z/os 1.12 if you want I can provide, this was from 
an IBM presentation


I would be interested in a copy of the document if you are emailing it 
to people.  Please and thank you.




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Re: Multiple TSO logons within sysplex

[Lionel B. Dyck]

This article from awhile ago may be helpful - not sure 

http://www.lbdsoftware.com/Logging_OnTo_Multiple_LPARS.pdf


Lionel B Dyck <
Sent from my iPad Pro 10.5
Website: www.lbdsoftware.com

"Worry more about your character than your reputation.  Character is what you 
are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 2:31 PM, Grant Taylor 
> <023065957af1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On 11/5/21 12:58 PM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
>> I do have a DOC for z/os 1.12 if you want I can provide, this was from an 
>> IBM presentation
> 
> I would be interested in a copy of the document if you are emailing it to 
> people.  Please and thank you.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Multiple TSO logons within sysplex

[Carmen Vitullo]

I can, just shoot me an email @ cvitu...@hughes.net

Carmen

On 11/5/2021 2:30 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:

On 11/5/21 12:58 PM, Carmen Vitullo wrote:
I do have a DOC for z/os 1.12 if you want I can provide, this was 
from an IBM presentation


I would be interested in a copy of the document if you are emailing it 
to people.  Please and thank you.





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Re: Multiple TSO logons within sysplex

[Dave Jousma]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 16:57:17 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka  
wrote:

>I just re-read Configuring ISPF for Fun and Profit presentation and
>found the following link:
>http://home.roadrunner.com/~pinncons/TSO LOGON with the Same Userid on
>Multiple LPARs in a Sysplex.pdf
>
>However the link is dead.
>Does anyone have the presentation?
>Or any other presentation on the topic.
>
>My goal is to enable multiple TSO/ISPF logons within sysplex.
>What I know:
>- ISPPROF dataset can be shared now (it has changed)
>- LIST, LOG, TEMP datasets should not be shared. The solution is exit 16
>or ISPF Configuration Utility (add &SYSNAME to the DSNs).
>- I'm not sure about PDF edit recovery files.
>- Did I miss something?
>

We converted quite awhile back.  IIRC it was mainly running ISPCCONF

ISPF Multi-logon Profile Options 
  Enter "/" to select option 
  /  Multi-logon Profile Sharing 
  /  Prompt for Profile ENQ LockoutENQ Lock Wait  . . . . . 1000 
  /  Reset Shared Profile Settings ENQ Lock Retry Count . . 1

We didnt do anything with LOG/LIST other than adding the SEQ number

 Temporary Data Sets   
   Additional Qualifier . . ISP&SEQ


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Re: Multiple TSO logons within sysplex

[Carmen Vitullo]

IIRC that's correct, there's also a GRSRNL update required to not enq on 
the major name


remove qname(SYSIKJUA) from GRS or MIM

Carmen

On 11/5/2021 2:44 PM, Dave Jousma wrote:

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 16:57:17 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka  
wrote:


I just re-read Configuring ISPF for Fun and Profit presentation and
found the following link:
http://home.roadrunner.com/~pinncons/TSO  LOGON with the Same Userid on
Multiple LPARs in a Sysplex.pdf

However the link is dead.
Does anyone have the presentation?
Or any other presentation on the topic.

My goal is to enable multiple TSO/ISPF logons within sysplex.
What I know:
- ISPPROF dataset can be shared now (it has changed)
- LIST, LOG, TEMP datasets should not be shared. The solution is exit 16
or ISPF Configuration Utility (add &SYSNAME to the DSNs).
- I'm not sure about PDF edit recovery files.
- Did I miss something?


We converted quite awhile back.  IIRC it was mainly running ISPCCONF

ISPF Multi-logon Profile Options
   Enter "/" to select option
   /  Multi-logon Profile Sharing
   /  Prompt for Profile ENQ LockoutENQ Lock Wait  . . . . . 1000
   /  Reset Shared Profile Settings ENQ Lock Retry Count . . 1

We didnt do anything with LOG/LIST other than adding the SEQ number

  Temporary Data Sets
Additional Qualifier . . ISP&SEQ



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Re: Multiple TSO logons within sysplex

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 16:57:17 +0100, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:

>I just re-read Configuring ISPF for Fun and Profit presentation and
>found the following link:
>http://home.roadrunner.com/~pinncons/TSO LOGON with the Same Userid on
>Multiple LPARs in a Sysplex.pdf
>
>However the link is dead.
>Does anyone have the presentation?
>Or any other presentation on the topic.
> 
Do you need information unavailable either
from: 
or:   

?  IBM is getting better at this.  Or submit an RCF.

>My goal is to enable multiple TSO/ISPF logons within sysplex.
>What I know:
>- ISPPROF dataset can be shared now (it has changed)
>- LIST, LOG, TEMP datasets should not be shared. The solution is exit 16
>or ISPF Configuration Utility (add &SYSNAME to the DSNs).
>- I'm not sure about PDF edit recovery files.
>- Did I miss something?

-- gil

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Re: automated SMS Storage pool management

[Glenn Wilcock]

Dave, HSM has 2 methods to dynamically address volumes going over threshold: 
Interval Migration and On Demand Migration.  Interval Migration runs hourly and 
processes volumes that went over threshold during the previous hour.  The 
preferred method is the On Demand Migration technique.  With ODM, as soon as a 
volume goes over threshold, SMS throws an ENF that HSM listens to and 
immediately space manages the volume.  Windows can be defined to quiesce this 
activity during specific times, such as when critical production workloads are 
running.

It's time to add more storage when the HSM space management runs to completion 
and a volume still doesn't get under threshold.

If you're new to DFSMS, we have a series of recorded DFSMS Academy sessions: 
https://ibm.ent.box.com/s/w2jpq95ydynpztbjwdplw3l0hoipl0i8

If you're new to DFSMShsm, we have an entire series of recorded DFSMShsm 
Academy sessions:
https://ibm.ent.box.com/v/DFSMS-Academ-DFSMShsm2021

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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Pew, Curtis G]

On Nov 5, 2021, at 6:10 AM, Richards, Robert B. (CTR) 
<01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> This was posted by Bill Bitner (bitn...@us.ibm.com  on LINUX-390 a week ago:
> 
> "I do my best to stay out of the rumor business. Chris Konarski just tweeted 
> that it is a misunderstanding"
> 
> https://twitter.com/ChrisKonarski/status/1454110707096637442
> 
> Chris is the IBM VP WW Technical Sales and Lab Services.

For what it’s worth: https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/05/ibm_redbooks/

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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[Tom Brennan]

Wow.  That was apparently a close call.

On 11/5/2021 1:53 PM, Pew, Curtis G wrote:

For what it’s worth: https://www.theregister.com/2021/11/05/ibm_redbooks/



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Re: Redbooks Rumor

[kekronbekron]

"But that's what KC4z is for", you will hear...

- KB

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On Friday, November 5th, 2021 at 7:39 PM, Michael Watkins 
<032966e74d0f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Yes, PDFs, not webpages.
>
> Sometimes the network on my end is a little shaky. This might especially be 
> the case in a disaster situation.
>
> Having the documentation in PDF form and downloaded onto the C: drive of my 
> laptop gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of 
> Colin Paice
>
> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 9:03 AM
>
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>
> Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
>
> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's email 
> system.
>
> DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the sender 
> and know the content is safe.
>
> I used to think that Redbooks were an admission that product documentation 
> was not very good.
>
> I explained to someone; the product documentation tells you how to adjust 
> your tappets. What red books did was to say this is how you unlock the car, 
> put the seat belt on (not always obvious), and tell you if it was an 
> automatic or stick shift.
>
> I find the IBM Doc site very slow (10 seconds to get into it) - not a good
>
> advertisement for IBM servers. (most of the time "scripting")
>
> I hope they provide PDF's rather than just web pages.
>
> Colin
>
> On Fri, 5 Nov 2021 at 13:32, Michael Watkins < 
> 032966e74d0f-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> > "if IBM is going to transition the Redbooks into something better"?
> >
> > It looks like IBM is transitioning to ibm.com/docs, where an isolated
> >
> > piece of documentation is given to you without any of the surrounding
> >
> > related information. This is hardly better. The most expensive part of
> >
> > z/OS TOC is probably labor. If IBM increases the cost of labor by
> >
> > failing to provide easy to access documentation, it's just another
> >
> > blow to the z/OS platform. I thank God that retirement is starting to look 
> > feasible.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> >
> > Behalf Of Lionel B. Dyck
> >
> > Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 5:53 AM
> >
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >
> > Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
> >
> > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the Texas Comptroller's
> >
> > email system.
> >
> > DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you expect them from the
> >
> > sender and know the content is safe.
> >
> > I agree with Cheryl that Redbooks have been some of the BEST
> >
> > documentation available from IBM. What I am curious about is if IBM is
> >
> > going to transition the Redbooks into something better. With the web
> >
> > there are many more opportunities to provide documentation that
> >
> > contains the Redbook content but in more usable (and searchable)
> >
> > formats. If that is their plan then I'm on board but if they are going
> >
> > to do away with Redbooks, or make them marketing guides, then the IBM
> >
> > customer community needs to take a stand and let IBM know that they
> >
> > are making a significant mistake that
> >
> > will impact their future growth of the platform.
> >
> > Lionel B. Dyck <><
> >
> > Website:
> >
> > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.
> >
> > lbdsoftware.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%
> >
> > 7Cd63bdbe632ee4f2e0bf308d9a0651c56%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%
> >
> > 7C0%7C0%7C637717178405312341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM
> >
> > DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dBX
> >
> > aJrsFEfs80ICrD9ka1ZxCxltvqsCIoRhoc9%2Fy%2F1U%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > Github:
> >
> > https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgith
> >
> > ub.com%2Flbdyck&data=04%7C01%7Cmichael.watkins%40CPA.TEXAS.GOV%7Cd
> >
> > 63bdbe632ee4f2e0bf308d9a0651c56%7C2055feba299d4d0daa5a73b8b42fef08%7C0
> >
> > %7C0%7C637717178405312341%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAi
> >
> > LCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=t2X1hz
> >
> > bO6CvrSrgVpXUS3ABfkehHJv0Q3Rj1WtgNhCo%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what
> >
> > you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - - - John Wooden
> >
> > -Original Message-
> >
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On
> >
> > Behalf Of Cheryl Watson
> >
> > Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 9:22 PM
> >
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >
> > Subject: Re: Redbooks Rumor
> >
> > This is really appalling! I hope it's not true, but I have noticed
> >
> > that the lack of books related to z/OS has been steadily declining,
> >
> > and I find it very distressing. I've always found the Redbooks to be
> >
> > the best documentation ever provided b

Re: I tend to skip over the subject of emails

[kekronbekron]

Markdown support in the MS Office suite and SMTP clients would be gold.
MD supports check boxes, collapsible blocks of text, code formatting, etc.

- KB

‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On Friday, November 5th, 2021 at 10:21 PM, Bob Bridges  
wrote:

> One thing (perhaps the only thing) that I like about Lotus Notes over MS 
> Outlook -- and those are the only two ever available at a client site -- is 
> its ability to create "expandable" paragraphs. When I want to pack a lot of 
> information into a single email, I can create "optional" paragraphs led by a 
> header in bold, then hide that section. If my boss wants to know "Why It 
> Happened", he can click on that header and read the history of the problem; 
> otherwise he can ignore it and read only "How We Can Fix It". Or whatever.
>
> --
>
> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313
>
> /* I'll tell you what kind of guy I was: If you ordered a boxcar full of 
> sons-of-bitches and opened the door and only found me inside, you could 
> consider the order filled. -Robert Mitchum */
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On Behalf Of Tom 
> Brennan
>
> Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 11:12
>
> I do that sometimes with multiple items, or at least put each item on a 
> single line. I remember one time where (yes I was being a jerk) I had so much 
> trouble with a particular person I emailed them a URL to a quick web page I 
> made with check boxes and input fields. I was surprised it worked!
>
> --- On 11/4/2021 10:24 PM, kekronbekron wrote:
>
> > On covering multiple things in a mail, I often find that listing numbered 
> > things help.
> >
> > Even if something is missed, you can just ask, what about #2, for example.
>
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