Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Timothy Sipples]

See here for Microsoft's Web browser support policy:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/gp/microsoft-internet-explorer/en-us

On very specific Microsoft operating systems that are still supported
(still within their Extended Support periods), Microsoft is still providing
security patches for old Internet Explorer versions as far back as Internet
Explorer 8, as I write this. (The sole IE7 entry on that Web page has now
dropped out of Extended Support.) IE8 will continue to receive security
patches on those couple of still supported niche Microsoft operating
systems (point of sale) for about two more years.

On desktops and laptops, there's nothing older than IE11 that Microsoft
still patches, except per special customer-specific agreements. IE11 has an
"Enterprise Mode" that's designed to accommodate older IE-specific Web
sites reasonably well.

If you have a customer that insists on your support for a Web browser/OS
combination that is no longer generally receiving security patches, my
advice would be to require your customer to sign a written security warning
periodically, at least before every contract renewal.

But maybe you shouldn't even allow that. There is no technical reason why
their need to run an unsupported Web browser for other specific, internal
uses needs to hold you back. Virtual machines and remote access solutions
allow customers to freely mix old and new browser versions if they need to.
For example, if you have a client that is still running XP (yikes!),
VirtualBox 4.3.40 is still available for download and is the last release
compatible with XP. VirtualBox Version 4.3.40 can then run a Linux guest
(e.g. Lubuntu LTS) with the latest Firefox browser, for example. This is
something of a worst case. The reverse -- running old IE in a locked down
virtual machine on a supported operating system -- is preferable, of
course.


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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Mike Schwab]

https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos/arcaos-screenshots/
Firefox 38.8ESR in distribution, 45.5ESR available soon.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 7:42 PM, David Crayford  wrote:
>> On 15 Jun 2017, at 8:22 am, Mike Schwab  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos-5-0-now-available/
>> OS2 Warp for 2017, still 32 bit, updated drivers for newer hardware.
>> Includes Win 3.1 compatibility.
>>
>
> What browser runs on OS/2?
>
>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:14 AM, David Crayford  wrote:
 On 14/06/2017 5:54 PM, R.S. wrote:

 W dniu 2017-06-14 o 10:21, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) pisze:
>
> Classification: Public
> I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is the same answer as to
> why Windows XP (and probably NT!) is still in use!
>
> Not to mention anyone running out-of-support mainframe software (and
> hardware for that matter)..

 IMHO the reason for using IE8 and reasons for using out-of-support z/OS
 are slightly different (how much it would take to obtain new PC with new
 Windows+new IE?), however that's not right question.

 The right question is why Ed's company still support such out-of-date
 things.
 My hazard guess: some 100 MIPS customer is still using IE8 for any
 (stupid or not) reason. In such case I would even support Windows 3.1 with
 Nestcape Navigator. ;-)

>>>
>>> Of course that's a joke but it's pretty tricky to develop modern web
>>> applications to run on old browsers even with polyfills. JavaScript
>>> frameworks and libraries move quickly, much too quickly in most cases. If
>>> you want to take advantage you have a difficult choice on what to support.
>>> In Ed's case if he's got paying customers it's an easy decision but not one
>>> he probably wants to make. The web UI we're developing right now will only
>>> run on the evergreen browsers and Safari. It's bleeding edge but the UX is
>>> outstanding mainly due to the library we're using.
>>>
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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[David Crayford]

> On 15 Jun 2017, at 8:22 am, Mike Schwab  wrote:
> 
> https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos-5-0-now-available/
> OS2 Warp for 2017, still 32 bit, updated drivers for newer hardware.
> Includes Win 3.1 compatibility.
> 

What browser runs on OS/2? 

>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:14 AM, David Crayford  wrote:
>>> On 14/06/2017 5:54 PM, R.S. wrote:
>>> 
>>> W dniu 2017-06-14 o 10:21, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) pisze:
 
 Classification: Public
 I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is the same answer as to
 why Windows XP (and probably NT!) is still in use!
 
 Not to mention anyone running out-of-support mainframe software (and
 hardware for that matter)..
>>> 
>>> IMHO the reason for using IE8 and reasons for using out-of-support z/OS
>>> are slightly different (how much it would take to obtain new PC with new
>>> Windows+new IE?), however that's not right question.
>>> 
>>> The right question is why Ed's company still support such out-of-date
>>> things.
>>> My hazard guess: some 100 MIPS customer is still using IE8 for any
>>> (stupid or not) reason. In such case I would even support Windows 3.1 with
>>> Nestcape Navigator. ;-)
>>> 
>> 
>> Of course that's a joke but it's pretty tricky to develop modern web
>> applications to run on old browsers even with polyfills. JavaScript
>> frameworks and libraries move quickly, much too quickly in most cases. If
>> you want to take advantage you have a difficult choice on what to support.
>> In Ed's case if he's got paying customers it's an easy decision but not one
>> he probably wants to make. The web UI we're developing right now will only
>> run on the evergreen browsers and Safari. It's bleeding edge but the UX is
>> outstanding mainly due to the library we're using.
>> 
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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Mike Schwab]

https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos-5-0-now-available/
OS2 Warp for 2017, still 32 bit, updated drivers for newer hardware.
Includes Win 3.1 compatibility.

On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 8:14 AM, David Crayford  wrote:
> On 14/06/2017 5:54 PM, R.S. wrote:
>>
>> W dniu 2017-06-14 o 10:21, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) pisze:
>>>
>>> Classification: Public
>>> I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is the same answer as to
>>> why Windows XP (and probably NT!) is still in use!
>>>
>>> Not to mention anyone running out-of-support mainframe software (and
>>> hardware for that matter)..
>>
>> IMHO the reason for using IE8 and reasons for using out-of-support z/OS
>> are slightly different (how much it would take to obtain new PC with new
>> Windows+new IE?), however that's not right question.
>>
>> The right question is why Ed's company still support such out-of-date
>> things.
>> My hazard guess: some 100 MIPS customer is still using IE8 for any
>> (stupid or not) reason. In such case I would even support Windows 3.1 with
>> Nestcape Navigator. ;-)
>>
>
> Of course that's a joke but it's pretty tricky to develop modern web
> applications to run on old browsers even with polyfills. JavaScript
> frameworks and libraries move quickly, much too quickly in most cases. If
> you want to take advantage you have a difficult choice on what to support.
> In Ed's case if he's got paying customers it's an easy decision but not one
> he probably wants to make. The web UI we're developing right now will only
> run on the evergreen browsers and Safari. It's bleeding edge but the UX is
> outstanding mainly due to the library we're using.
>
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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[David Crayford]

Internet browsers are a major attack vector for cyber criminals. I would 
suggest that any major company or government agency running out of 
support browsers or operating systems need to pull their heads in. We 
saw what happened recently with the WannaCry ransomware attack.



On 14/06/2017 4:21 PM, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) wrote:

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I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is the same answer as to why 
Windows XP (and probably NT!) is still in use!

Not to mention anyone running out-of-support mainframe software (and hardware 
for that matter)..

Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer

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On 6/6/2017 8:54 PM, David Crayford wrote:

On 7/06/2017 1:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera,
Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different
animal and requires special code to make things work right...


Do you have a firm requirement to support IE8?

We'd love, Love, LOVE to drop support for IE8 but for some strange
reason a LOT of customers are still using it. :-(


Interesting. I hope none of our customers are using IE8 because they won't be 
able to use the Web UI!

Do you have any idea why they are using an unsupported browser?

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[David Crayford]

On 14/06/2017 5:54 PM, R.S. wrote:

W dniu 2017-06-14 o 10:21, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) pisze:

Classification: Public
I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is the same answer as 
to why Windows XP (and probably NT!) is still in use!


Not to mention anyone running out-of-support mainframe software (and 
hardware for that matter)..
IMHO the reason for using IE8 and reasons for using out-of-support 
z/OS are slightly different (how much it would take to obtain new PC 
with new Windows+new IE?), however that's not right question.


The right question is why Ed's company still support such out-of-date 
things.
My hazard guess: some 100 MIPS customer is still using IE8 for any 
(stupid or not) reason. In such case I would even support Windows 3.1 
with Nestcape Navigator. ;-)




Of course that's a joke but it's pretty tricky to develop modern web 
applications to run on old browsers even with polyfills. JavaScript 
frameworks and libraries move quickly, much too quickly in most cases. 
If you want to take advantage you have a difficult choice on what to 
support. In Ed's case if he's got paying customers it's an easy decision 
but not one he probably wants to make. The web UI we're developing right 
now will only run on the evergreen browsers and Safari. It's bleeding 
edge but the UX is outstanding mainly due to the library we're using.


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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

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W dniu 2017-06-14 o 10:21, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) pisze:

Classification: Public
I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is the same answer as to why 
Windows XP (and probably NT!) is still in use!

Not to mention anyone running out-of-support mainframe software (and hardware 
for that matter)..
IMHO the reason for using IE8 and reasons for using out-of-support z/OS 
are slightly different (how much it would take to obtain new PC with new 
Windows+new IE?), however that's not right question.


The right question is why Ed's company still support such out-of-date 
things.
My hazard guess: some 100 MIPS customer is still using IE8 for any 
(stupid or not) reason. In such case I would even support Windows 3.1 
with Nestcape Navigator. ;-)


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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services)]

Classification: Public
I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is the same answer as to why 
Windows XP (and probably NT!) is still in use! 

Not to mention anyone running out-of-support mainframe software (and hardware 
for that matter).. 

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On 11/06/2017 7:15 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
> On 6/6/2017 8:54 PM, David Crayford wrote:
>> On 7/06/2017 1:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>>>
>>> We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera, 
>>> Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different 
>>> animal and requires special code to make things work right...
>>>
>>
>> Do you have a firm requirement to support IE8?
>
> We'd love, Love, LOVE to drop support for IE8 but for some strange 
> reason a LOT of customers are still using it. :-(
>

Interesting. I hope none of our customers are using IE8 because they won't be 
able to use the Web UI!

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[David Crayford]

On 11/06/2017 7:15 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 6/6/2017 8:54 PM, David Crayford wrote:

On 7/06/2017 1:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera, 
Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different 
animal and requires special code to make things work right...




Do you have a firm requirement to support IE8?


We'd love, Love, LOVE to drop support for IE8 but for some strange 
reason a LOT of customers are still using it. :-(




Interesting. I hope none of our customers are using IE8 because they 
won't be able to use the Web UI!


Do you have any idea why they are using an unsupported browser?

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Ed Jaffe]

On 6/6/2017 8:54 PM, David Crayford wrote:

On 7/06/2017 1:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera, 
Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different animal 
and requires special code to make things work right...




Do you have a firm requirement to support IE8?


We'd love, Love, LOVE to drop support for IE8 but for some strange 
reason a LOT of customers are still using it. :-(


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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Barbara Nitz]

>I opened a hardware issue for this same reason and hardware support reported 
>that MCL patches needed to be applied to the HMC.  Those patches were recently 
>put on but I haven't had a chance to be at the HMC during a sandbox IPL to 
>verify if it is fixed.

When I first detected this last year, I had asked my colleague who does 
'hardware' to open a ticket and provided him with documentation for it. He just 
didn't open the PMH. And I had the bypass of using the 3270 console. Until we 
hit the point in IPL where thousands of V offline commands spit out their 
response (don't ask!) and it took more than 10 minutes to see 'real' 
information again, even at rtme=1/4. I have asked my colleague again for that 
PMH as a result of this thread. 

I have also told him about the MCL patch and asked that he asks IBM which patch 
will fix it. (We may have it on already, though). 

As for Browser: IE is the corporately mandated browser, and I heartily distrust 
anything having to do with google, so I don't use Chrome. No way to change 
anything in IE, either. I could not even find where to customize compatibility 
mode. There is nothing mentioned in that one menue that I found.

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Tom Conley]

On 6/7/2017 1:57 PM, Art Gutowski wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:49:47 -0400, Tom Conley  wrote:


On 6/6/2017 10:45 AM, Styles, Andy , ITS zPlatform Services wrote:

Classification: Public
It varies between browsers, I believe.

Chrome 55.0.2883.87 seems to play nicely - perhaps nicer - but IE 
11.0.9600.18665 is definitely not happy.

-
Andy,

Thanks for this, it 'splains a lot.  I'm using that level of IE, but I
can't use Chrome because popups.  IBM uses FF, so I guess it's not
surprising they're not seeing issues.


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Tom (et tu, IBM),

FYI, we also see a "choppy" OS messages.  We also had an issue with _no_ OS messages at 
all, but this was fixed with microcode.  I didn't catch what "z" you're at, and I've seen 
mention of both z12 an z13 in this thread, so for completeness, we are:

z13 GA2 Driver 27
At "bundle 38", we had no OS messages at all...if I recall correctly, the 
interface would come up, but nothing would display on it, no commands could be sent (as 
in we couldn't even VARY CN,ACTIVATE after NIP), basically DoA.

We since installed "bundle 46", and OS messages are available again.  I do not 
know specifically which MCL fixed the problem.

Scrolling works, but the screen is "Jumping a lot more."  Our operators have also observed that 
"some of the messages have to be selected in a check box in order to delete them." (interesting new 
"feature")
Our operations workstations currently have IE11 version 11.0.9600.18638CO 
installed (slightly down-level from Andy's installation, I think).  I don't IPL 
or watch IPLs much anymore, so I don't have occasion to use the OS interface.  
However I use Chrome, and as others have reported, that seems to work OK.
  


Unfortunately, Chrome here is disabled for popups (THANK YOU IBM!!!), 
and the allow popup list is locked out, so I'm trying to get a more 
flexible Chrome so I can actually see if I get less blips.  I'll keep 
youse posted.


Tom

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Art Gutowski]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:49:47 -0400, Tom Conley  wrote:

>On 6/6/2017 10:45 AM, Styles, Andy , ITS zPlatform Services wrote:
>> Classification: Public
>> It varies between browsers, I believe.
>>
>> Chrome 55.0.2883.87 seems to play nicely - perhaps nicer - but IE 
>> 11.0.9600.18665 is definitely not happy.
>-
>Andy,
>
>Thanks for this, it 'splains a lot.  I'm using that level of IE, but I
>can't use Chrome because popups.  IBM uses FF, so I guess it's not
>surprising they're not seeing issues.
>
-

Tom (et tu, IBM),

FYI, we also see a "choppy" OS messages.  We also had an issue with _no_ OS 
messages at all, but this was fixed with microcode.  I didn't catch what "z" 
you're at, and I've seen mention of both z12 an z13 in this thread, so for 
completeness, we are:

z13 GA2 Driver 27
At "bundle 38", we had no OS messages at all...if I recall correctly, the 
interface would come up, but nothing would display on it, no commands could be 
sent (as in we couldn't even VARY CN,ACTIVATE after NIP), basically DoA.

We since installed "bundle 46", and OS messages are available again.  I do not 
know specifically which MCL fixed the problem.

Scrolling works, but the screen is "Jumping a lot more."  Our operators have 
also observed that "some of the messages have to be selected in a check box in 
order to delete them." (interesting new "feature")
Our operations workstations currently have IE11 version 11.0.9600.18638CO 
installed (slightly down-level from Andy's installation, I think).  I don't IPL 
or watch IPLs much anymore, so I don't have occasion to use the OS interface.  
However I use Chrome, and as others have reported, that seems to work OK.
 

HTH,
Art Gutowski
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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Kirk Hubbard]

Barbara,

I opened a hardware issue for this same reason and hardware support reported 
that MCL patches needed to be applied to the HMC.  Those patches were recently 
put on but I haven't had a chance to be at the HMC during a sandbox IPL to 
verify if it is fixed.

Kirk

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[David Crayford]

On 7/06/2017 1:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:

On 6/6/2017 10:04 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:44:28 -0400, Tony Harminc  
wrote:


Is it not bizarre that in 2017 we are still dealing with systems that
"don't work right" with one browser or another? I mean, seriously...

I agree 100%.But I also find it bizarre that developers don't 
test with

both of what I at least consider to be the 2 major players.


We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera, 
Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different animal 
and requires special code to make things work right...




Do you have a firm requirement to support IE8? We're working on a web 
application that uses Web Components/Polymer and even with polyfills 
will only be supported on Safari 9+, IE 11+, and the evergreen Chrome, 
Firefox, and Edge. In the days of evergreen browsers that automatically 
update I wonder if it is worth supporting antiquated browsers.


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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Wayne Bickerdike]

Don't forget EPIC browser...

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 3:47 AM, Ed Jaffe 
wrote:

> On 6/6/2017 10:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
>
>>
>> We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera,
>> Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different animal and
>> requires special code to make things work right...
>>
>
> Oops. Forgot we added Edge to our test suite last year.
>
> So, the complete list is: Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari, Edge, IE
> (current) and IE8...
>
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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Martin Packer]

There would be two places to point your finger:

1) HTML (etc) generators that don't serve standards-compliant HTML (etc).

2) Browsers that don't play nice with standards-compliant HTML (etc).

I wonder which of these it is this time. (It could be both.)

Cheers, Martin

Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Jun 2017, at 17:44, Tony Harminc  wrote:
>
>> On 6 June 2017 at 12:23, Mark Zelden  wrote:
>> Before I started my reply I intended to write that I was using Firefox,
but forgot
>> to mention it.  I've been using FF for HMC access since zEC12 (I forgot
what
>> HMC version - 2.12 perhaps) because the IE on my work laptop (maybe
>> IE 9 at the time) didn't play well with that version of HMC.
>
> Is it not bizarre that in 2017 we are still dealing with systems that
> "don't work right" with one browser or another? I mean, seriously...
>
> Tony H.
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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Ronald Kristel]

Our experience is exactly how Bart summed it up. For us, this usually happends 
during the early NIP messages when loading an image, and already having the 
Operation System Messages window open. The only way to fix this seems to close 
and re-open the window.


I will follow John Eells advice and open up a PMH.


Ronald Kristel






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I get a scrolling issue that I don't think has been mentioned, sorry if I 
missed it. I'm using FF and EC12

When I open the window and don't yet have more than a page worth of messages 
(and thus no scroll bar) and then issue commands (example, a couple of 'D A,L' 
commands) the message area fills up, but I still have no scroll bar and can't 
scroll down to the bottom of the list. The scroll wheel on the mouse also 
doesn't scroll down.
Same thing if I delete all the messages, starting back with an empty message 
area.

If I let the message area fill up 'naturally' the scroll bar shows up and 
things work fine (even if I then issues commands I can scroll down to the last 
message).

When it does scroll the scrolling is smooth.

Bart

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On 6/6/2017 8:48 AM, John Eells wrote:
> The HMC architect was not aware of this; he'd be thankful if someone
> opened a problem (PMH) for it.
>
>

John,

It's kinda hard to miss.  Our hardware guy is out for a few days, so
I'll get a hardware PMR to you early next week.  We're on an EC12.

Let me ask this of the list.  Is anyone out there NOT getting a blippy
HMC Operating System Messages console?  If so, do you see smooth
scrolling or does the message just pop up in the window?

Regards,
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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Ed Jaffe]

On 6/6/2017 10:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote:


We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera, 
Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different animal 
and requires special code to make things work right...


Oops. Forgot we added Edge to our test suite last year.

So, the complete list is: Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari, Edge, IE 
(current) and IE8...


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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Ed Jaffe]

On 6/6/2017 10:04 AM, Mark Zelden wrote:

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:44:28 -0400, Tony Harminc  wrote:


Is it not bizarre that in 2017 we are still dealing with systems that
"don't work right" with one browser or another? I mean, seriously...


I agree 100%.But I also find it bizarre that developers don't test with
both of what I at least consider to be the 2 major players.


We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera, 
Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different animal 
and requires special code to make things work right...


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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[van der Grijn, Bart (B)]

I get a scrolling issue that I don't think has been mentioned, sorry if I 
missed it. I'm using FF and EC12

When I open the window and don't yet have more than a page worth of messages 
(and thus no scroll bar) and then issue commands (example, a couple of 'D A,L' 
commands) the message area fills up, but I still have no scroll bar and can't 
scroll down to the bottom of the list. The scroll wheel on the mouse also 
doesn't scroll down.
Same thing if I delete all the messages, starting back with an empty message 
area.

If I let the message area fill up 'naturally' the scroll bar shows up and 
things work fine (even if I then issues commands I can scroll down to the last 
message). 

When it does scroll the scrolling is smooth.

Bart

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Subject: Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

On 6/6/2017 8:48 AM, John Eells wrote:
> The HMC architect was not aware of this; he'd be thankful if someone 
> opened a problem (PMH) for it.
> 
> 

John,

It's kinda hard to miss.  Our hardware guy is out for a few days, so 
I'll get a hardware PMR to you early next week.  We're on an EC12.

Let me ask this of the list.  Is anyone out there NOT getting a blippy 
HMC Operating System Messages console?  If so, do you see smooth 
scrolling or does the message just pop up in the window?

Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:04:21 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:44:28 -0400, Tony Harminc  wrote:
>
>I agree 100%.But I also find it bizarre that developers don't test with 
>both of what I at least consider to be the 2 major players.   ... 
>
Chrome, Firefox, MSIE, Safari, Opera, ... and counting.

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:49:47 -0400, Tom Conley wrote:
>
>> It varies between browsers, I believe.
>> Chrome 55.0.2883.87 seems to play nicely - perhaps nicer - but IE 
>> 11.0.9600.18665 is definitely not happy.
>
>Thanks for this, it 'splains a lot.  I'm using that level of IE, but I
>can't use Chrome because popups.  IBM uses FF, so I guess it's not
>surprising they're not seeing issues.
> 
"Anyone who slaps a 'this page is best viewed with Browser X' label on a 
Web page appears
to be yearning for the bad old days, before the Web, when you had very 
little chance of
reading a document written on another computer, another word processor, or 
another network."
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https://www.anybrowser.org/campaign/

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Mark Zelden]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:44:28 -0400, Tony Harminc  wrote:

>On 6 June 2017 at 12:23, Mark Zelden  wrote:
>> Before I started my reply I intended to write that I was using Firefox, but 
>> forgot
>> to mention it.  I've been using FF for HMC access since zEC12 (I forgot what
>> HMC version - 2.12 perhaps) because the IE on my work laptop (maybe
>> IE 9 at the time) didn't play well with that version of HMC.
>
>Is it not bizarre that in 2017 we are still dealing with systems that
>"don't work right" with one browser or another? I mean, seriously...
>

I agree 100%.But I also find it bizarre that developers don't test with 
both of what I at least consider to be the 2 major players.   I'm wondering
if all the IE issues in this thread are related to compatibility mode in 
effect though (perhaps via "all intranet sites").  I find it hard to believe 
IBM would not have tested IE 11 and whatever other documented 
versions of IE are supported. 

Regards,

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Gord Tomlin]

On 2017-06-06 12:44, Tony Harminc wrote:

Is it not bizarre that in 2017 we are still dealing with systems that
"don't work right" with one browser or another? I mean, seriously...

Tony H.


And funny how often the browser that won't display a site correctly 
comes from Redmond. It's unfortunate that so many organizations mandate 
the use of MS browsers.


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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Tony Harminc]

On 6 June 2017 at 12:23, Mark Zelden  wrote:
> Before I started my reply I intended to write that I was using Firefox, but 
> forgot
> to mention it.  I've been using FF for HMC access since zEC12 (I forgot what
> HMC version - 2.12 perhaps) because the IE on my work laptop (maybe
> IE 9 at the time) didn't play well with that version of HMC.

Is it not bizarre that in 2017 we are still dealing with systems that
"don't work right" with one browser or another? I mean, seriously...

Tony H.

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Mark Zelden]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:49:51 -0500, Mark Zelden  wrote:

>On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:42:25 -0400, Tom Conley  
>wrote:
>
>>On 6/6/2017 8:48 AM, John Eells wrote:
>>> The HMC architect was not aware of this; he'd be thankful if someone
>>> opened a problem (PMH) for it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>John,
>>
>>It's kinda hard to miss.  Our hardware guy is out for a few days, so
>>I'll get a hardware PMR to you early next week.  We're on an EC12.
>>
>>Let me ask this of the list.  Is anyone out there NOT getting a blippy
>>HMC Operating System Messages console?  If so, do you see smooth
>>scrolling or does the message just pop up in the window?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Tom Conley
>
>We have driver 27 on our DR z13 only right now.  We happen to be doing an
>exercise this week so I've been on the integrated 3270 console and it
>works great. I don't miss waiting for all the java code to download, so
>having the console open immediately is nice!   When we first did the
>driver upgrade, I was surprised how good the 3270 console looked because
>the exception letter stated "The new design is still being improved, you
>might notice poor font selections and slower response times."
>
>I don't normally use the operating system messages screen, but I just got on
>and did a bunch of commands / displays and it looks good too.  Also there are
>some nice enhancements in functionality as well (message selection / deletion,
>search, export).  We have a shared console product in use so NIP messages
>go to a "real" console unless the integrated 3270 console is opened up prior to
>IPL, then they go there.   I wanted to test NIP going to the operating system
>messages screen, but I can't because of the console software in use.  
>
>Bottom line:  No blipping for me in the operating systems messages screen
>nor the integrated 3270 console and both look good. 
>
>Regards,
>
>Mark

Before I started my reply I intended to write that I was using Firefox, but 
forgot
to mention it.  I've been using FF for HMC access since zEC12 (I forgot what
HMC version - 2.12 perhaps) because the IE on my work laptop (maybe 
IE 9 at the time) didn't play well with that version of HMC.   

I work from home 100% now and use my home machine mostly which means
I have to use Citrix instead of VPN.  However, IE at DR Citrix was IE8 which
didn't work at all.  I connected my laptop with IE 11 to my DR VPN and
did some testing.  Compatibility mode doesn't work at all for either 
integrated 3270 or the operator system messages. If you turn off compatibility 
mode (make sure "display intranet site in compatibility view" is not selected 
also), 
it seems to be working okay.

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Jesse 1 Robinson]

Just like to point out that for as long as I can remember, IBM has referred to 
HMC Op Sys Msg app as 'problem determination mode'. You even get a warning 
message in MVS when it's been active for any length of time. 

OTOH I have to admit that it looks very different now from the last time I used 
it. Don't know when that happened as I seldom bring it up. Even as a PD tool, 
it should be usable. It also behaves differently on our z13 than on our z12 or 
(then) z196, where we first installed the supporting HMC microcode. 

As Barbara said, the 3270 interface looks a lot more 'natural', although like a 
real 3270 screen, there is no scrolling. John Eels point is to open a PMR, 
although WAD is a real possibility. 

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I can't really use FF officially, but I have an very old portable version lying 
around (37.0.2), and it seems fine on that too. 

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> 11.0.9600.18665 is definitely not happy.
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> Andy Styles
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Andy,

Thanks for this, it 'splains a lot.  I'm using that level of IE, but I can't 
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> Andy Styles
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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Carmen Vitullo]

I just activated the HMC console on a PROD LPAR, console message flow rate is 
very fast, but seems to scroll nicely for a GUI display 


Carmen 

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Subject: Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy 

On my Z13s Hardware Management Console (Version 2.13.1) 
I.E. 11.0.09 
the console messages seem to pop up, mouse moment over the console area 
highlights different parts of the console, I.E, I enter D A,L and the display 
on mouse over gets highlighted 

Carmen 

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Subject: Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy 

On 6/6/2017 8:48 AM, John Eells wrote: 
> The HMC architect was not aware of this; he'd be thankful if someone 
> opened a problem (PMH) for it. 
> 
> 

John, 

It's kinda hard to miss. Our hardware guy is out for a few days, so 
I'll get a hardware PMR to you early next week. We're on an EC12. 

Let me ask this of the list. Is anyone out there NOT getting a blippy 
HMC Operating System Messages console? If so, do you see smooth 
scrolling or does the message just pop up in the window? 

Regards, 
Tom Conley 

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Carmen Vitullo]

On my Z13s Hardware Management Console (Version 2.13.1) 
I.E. 11.0.09 
the console messages seem to pop up, mouse moment over the console area 
highlights different parts of the console, I.E, I enter D A,L and the display 
on mouse over gets highlighted 

Carmen 

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On 6/6/2017 8:48 AM, John Eells wrote: 
> The HMC architect was not aware of this; he'd be thankful if someone 
> opened a problem (PMH) for it. 
> 
> 

John, 

It's kinda hard to miss. Our hardware guy is out for a few days, so 
I'll get a hardware PMR to you early next week. We're on an EC12. 

Let me ask this of the list. Is anyone out there NOT getting a blippy 
HMC Operating System Messages console? If so, do you see smooth 
scrolling or does the message just pop up in the window? 

Regards, 
Tom Conley 

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

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It varies between browsers, I believe.

Chrome 55.0.2883.87 seems to play nicely - perhaps nicer - but IE 
11.0.9600.18665 is definitely not happy.


Andy Styles
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Andy,

Thanks for this, it 'splains a lot.  I'm using that level of IE, but I 
can't use Chrome because popups.  IBM uses FF, so I guess it's not 
surprising they're not seeing issues.


Thanks again,
Tom Conley

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services)]

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It varies between browsers, I believe. 

Chrome 55.0.2883.87 seems to play nicely - perhaps nicer - but IE 
11.0.9600.18665 is definitely not happy. 


Andy Styles
z/Series Systems Programmer

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On 6/6/2017 8:48 AM, John Eells wrote:
> The HMC architect was not aware of this; he'd be thankful if someone 
> opened a problem (PMH) for it.
> 
> 

John,

It's kinda hard to miss.  Our hardware guy is out for a few days, so I'll get a 
hardware PMR to you early next week.  We're on an EC12.

Let me ask this of the list.  Is anyone out there NOT getting a blippy HMC 
Operating System Messages console?  If so, do you see smooth scrolling or does 
the message just pop up in the window?

Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Tom Conley]

On 6/6/2017 8:48 AM, John Eells wrote:
The HMC architect was not aware of this; he'd be thankful if someone 
opened a problem (PMH) for it.





John,

It's kinda hard to miss.  Our hardware guy is out for a few days, so 
I'll get a hardware PMR to you early next week.  We're on an EC12.


Let me ask this of the list.  Is anyone out there NOT getting a blippy 
HMC Operating System Messages console?  If so, do you see smooth 
scrolling or does the message just pop up in the window?


Regards,
Tom Conley

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[John Eells]

The HMC architect was not aware of this; he'd be thankful if someone 
opened a problem (PMH) for it.



Ronald Kristel wrote:

We have been experiecing the same issue. Never reported it as a RFE/PMR because we 
expected it to be more a "local internet browser" issue then a HMC issue.

We tend to use the Export > HTML option as a workaround.

Ronald Kristel

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Subject: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

I'm trying to use the new Java-less Operating System Messages console on
the HMC.  My version is Blippy McBlipperson, which makes it extremely
difficult to use, because you can't watch it.  As new messages are sent
to the console, the display collapses and expands at least 10x/sec.
Anybody else's HMC console behave this way?  If so, what was IBM
thinking?  We had to submit RFE's to get them to remove Java, do we have
to submit more requirements to make it usable?

Regards,
Tom Conley



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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services)]

We are not on z13s yet, but we've been using the Javascript version for a few 
months now on EC12s, and it's generally okay - we do get the NIP messages okay, 
recently we had to reply to some when we mucked up some page datasets.

I agree it blips sometimes, but I've put that down to the browser (IE) rather 
than IBM's code - though I could be wrong :-) I always use it maximised on a 
4:3 display (no wide screen for me yet..).

I dislike the HTML it generates, with extra spacing around the lines, meaning 
fewer ‎display lines on screen at any one time, and I also want more scroll 
back - somewhere in the region of 5k lines would be good, especially for IPLs.

We discovered a bug in it too - we have some read-only user Ids, meaning you 
can watch the console but not ‎respond, as the command line and button are 
greyed out. That's fine, but after a shutdown, reset and IPL, those fields are 
enabled...

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>I'm trying to use the new Java-less Operating System Messages console on
>the HMC.  My version is Blippy McBlipperson, which makes it extremely
>difficult to use, because you can't watch it.  As new messages are sent
>to the console, the display collapses and expands at least 10x/sec.
>Anybody else's HMC console behave this way?  If so, what was IBM
>thinking?  We had to submit RFE's to get them to remove Java, do we have
>to submit more requirements to make it usable?

Same here; ever since we got the z13, it is essentially impossible to see NIP 
messages because the console doesn't scroll anymore. The first screen fills and 
then just blips, no new messages, and no scrollbar. When I reported it, it was 
implied that this was due to my 'failure' to use the tree-style interface.

I have resorted to using the 3270 console. Which has the disadvantage that you 
cannot scroll back. But at least I see the NIP messages.  After a while (and 
after closing the OSM screen and reopening it), the OSM screen actually gets a 
scroll bar. Never mind that the buffer is so small that the first messages have 
already gone. IBM was unable to tell me how to increase that buffer size.

I am glad that I am not the only one who sees this.

Barbara

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Barbara Nitz]

>I'm trying to use the new Java-less Operating System Messages console on
>the HMC.  My version is Blippy McBlipperson, which makes it extremely
>difficult to use, because you can't watch it.  As new messages are sent
>to the console, the display collapses and expands at least 10x/sec.
>Anybody else's HMC console behave this way?  If so, what was IBM
>thinking?  We had to submit RFE's to get them to remove Java, do we have
>to submit more requirements to make it usable?

Same here; ever since we got the z13, it is essentially impossible to see NIP 
messages because the console doesn't scroll anymore. The first screen fills and 
then just blips, no new messages, and no scrollbar. When I reported it, it was 
implied that this was due to my 'failure' to use the tree-style interface.

I have resorted to using the 3270 console. Which has the disadvantage that you 
cannot scroll back. But at least I see the NIP messages.  After a while (and 
after closing the OSM screen and reopening it), the OSM screen actually gets a 
scroll bar. Never mind that the buffer is so small that the first messages have 
already gone. IBM was unable to tell me how to increase that buffer size. 

I am glad that I am not the only one who sees this.

Barbara

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Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Ronald Kristel]

We have been experiecing the same issue. Never reported it as a RFE/PMR because 
we expected it to be more a "local internet browser" issue then a HMC issue.

We tend to use the Export > HTML option as a workaround.

Ronald Kristel

From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of 
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Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 12:24:49 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

I'm trying to use the new Java-less Operating System Messages console on
the HMC.  My version is Blippy McBlipperson, which makes it extremely
difficult to use, because you can't watch it.  As new messages are sent
to the console, the display collapses and expands at least 10x/sec.
Anybody else's HMC console behave this way?  If so, what was IBM
thinking?  We had to submit RFE's to get them to remove Java, do we have
to submit more requirements to make it usable?

Regards,
Tom Conley

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"New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

[Pinnacle]

I'm trying to use the new Java-less Operating System Messages console on 
the HMC.  My version is Blippy McBlipperson, which makes it extremely 
difficult to use, because you can't watch it.  As new messages are sent 
to the console, the display collapses and expands at least 10x/sec.  
Anybody else's HMC console behave this way?  If so, what was IBM 
thinking?  We had to submit RFE's to get them to remove Java, do we have 
to submit more requirements to make it usable?


Regards,
Tom Conley

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