Re: AW: Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Susan Shumway]

Good to know, Peter. Thank you and noted.

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Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

Actually, I think you are correct, my use of "Copyright" was wrong, but I think 
that the sentiment is the same and protecting the "Integrity" of the 
information contained in the document is just as important.

I like the additional information you have provided and you know that IBM has 
the Lawyers involved, so ..

Al Nims
University of Florida

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On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Nims,Alva John (Al) <ajn...@ufl.edu> wrote:

> I like your comments about ePubs and PDF, with the respect of readers 
> being available for multiple platforms.
>
> Now looking at it from IBM's point-of-view and "Copyright" material, 
> are ePubs a little easier to "Edit" than a PDF?  I really do not know 
> that answer, that is why I am asking.  I believe that PDFs can be 
> protected from being "Edited" and still allow it to be read without 
> having to enter a password, is there something similar for ePubs?  I 
> do not know how much protection can be done in an ePub and again, I 
> "Think" my statement about PDFs is correct, but I have been known to 
> be wrong before! :)
>

​I understand your question. But I don't understand why IBM would want to stop 
someone from "editing" a PDF. Well, I do in a way, to maintain integrity of the 
information. But so far as copyright is concerned, unless allowed, it is 
illegal to make a copy of a "book" (PDF document in this
case) and re-distribute it. Back in the "dead tree" days, there wasn't anything 
that stopped a person with a pen or mark-up pen from "editing" a manual. And 
then they could (physically) make a copy of those pages and distribute them. Of 
course, the edits were a bit obvious. Hum, does IBM allow you to copy an 
unmodified PDF which is "generally available" via the web and give it to 
another person? I know that some web publishers are saying that "deep linking" 
to an article on their site is a copyright violation. They want users to go to 
their home page and then click-through to the article for ad revenue. Again, 
IMO, this "webvertising"​ was thought up in the lower regions of the place of 
eternal damnation. I get this a lot on my comics sites. I'd rather pay a 
distributor to email the comics I like directly to me. Or make a personal 
comics page specifically for me which requires a "key" of some sort (my bank 
does this - won't allow access by a computer unless the computer has the "key" 
installed).



>
> Al Nims
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>
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)]

I see no reason to 'edit' an ibm publication but I do frequently use highlight 
and add notes to pdf's which I maintain local copies of. I don't think I can do 
that with all e-pub readers. Now if the KC would allow annotations - perhaps 
community comments (moderated of course) then that would be very helpful - like 
a community RCF).

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On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Nims,Alva John (Al) <ajn...@ufl.edu> wrote:

> I like your comments about ePubs and PDF, with the respect of readers 
> being available for multiple platforms.
>
> Now looking at it from IBM's point-of-view and "Copyright" material, 
> are ePubs a little easier to "Edit" than a PDF?  I really do not know 
> that answer, that is why I am asking.  I believe that PDFs can be 
> protected from being "Edited" and still allow it to be read without 
> having to enter a password, is there something similar for ePubs?  I 
> do not know how much protection can be done in an ePub and again, I 
> "Think" my statement about PDFs is correct, but I have been known to 
> be wrong before! :)
>

​I understand your question. But I don't understand why IBM would want to stop 
someone from "editing" a PDF. Well, I do in a way, to maintain integrity of the 
information. But so far as copyright is concerned, unless allowed, it is 
illegal to make a copy of a "book" (PDF document in this
case) and re-distribute it. Back in the "dead tree" days, there wasn't anything 
that stopped a person with a pen or mark-up pen from "editing" a manual. And 
then they could (physically) make a copy of those pages and distribute them. Of 
course, the edits were a bit obvious. Hum, does IBM allow you to copy an 
unmodified PDF which is "generally available" via the web and give it to 
another person? I know that some web publishers are saying that "deep linking" 
to an article on their site is a copyright violation. They want users to go to 
their home page and then click-through to the article for ad revenue. Again, 
IMO, this "webvertising"​ was thought up in the lower regions of the place of 
eternal damnation. I get this a lot on my comics sites. I'd rather pay a 
distributor to email the comics I like directly to me. Or make a personal 
comics page specifically for me which requires a "key" of some sort (my bank 
does this - won't allow access by a computer unless the computer has the "key" 
installed).



>
> Al Nims
> University of Flordia
>
>
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their work three times, because they're sure that something won't be right.
Optimistic people check once, trust in Solis-de to keep the ship safe, then 
blow everyone up."
"I think you're mistaking the word optimistic for inept."
"They've got a similar ring to my ear."

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Maranatha! <><
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Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[John McKown]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:02 AM, Nims,Alva John (Al)  wrote:

> I like your comments about ePubs and PDF, with the respect of readers
> being available for multiple platforms.
>
> Now looking at it from IBM's point-of-view and "Copyright" material, are
> ePubs a little easier to "Edit" than a PDF?  I really do not know that
> answer, that is why I am asking.  I believe that PDFs can be protected from
> being "Edited" and still allow it to be read without having to enter a
> password, is there something similar for ePubs?  I do not know how much
> protection can be done in an ePub and again, I "Think" my statement about
> PDFs is correct, but I have been known to be wrong before! :)
>

​I understand your question. But I don't understand why IBM would want to
stop someone from "editing" a PDF. Well, I do in a way, to maintain
integrity of the information. But so far as copyright is concerned, unless
allowed, it is illegal to make a copy of a "book" (PDF document in this
case) and re-distribute it. Back in the "dead tree" days, there wasn't
anything that stopped a person with a pen or mark-up pen from "editing" a
manual. And then they could (physically) make a copy of those pages and
distribute them. Of course, the edits were a bit obvious. Hum, does IBM
allow you to copy an unmodified PDF which is "generally available" via the
web and give it to another person? I know that some web publishers are
saying that "deep linking" to an article on their site is a copyright
violation. They want users to go to their home page and then click-through
to the article for ad revenue. Again, IMO, this "webvertising"​ was thought
up in the lower regions of the place of eternal damnation. I get this a lot
on my comics sites. I'd rather pay a distributor to email the comics I like
directly to me. Or make a personal comics page specifically for me which
requires a "key" of some sort (my bank does this - won't allow access by a
computer unless the computer has the "key" installed).



>
> Al Nims
> University of Flordia
>
>
-- 
"Pessimism is a admirable quality in an engineer. Pessimistic people check
their work three times, because they're sure that something won't be right.
Optimistic people check once, trust in Solis-de to keep the ship safe, then
blow everyone up."
"I think you're mistaking the word optimistic for inept."
"They've got a similar ring to my ear."

>From "Star Nomad" by Lindsay Buroker:

Maranatha! <><
John McKown

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Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Nims,Alva John (Al)]

I like your comments about ePubs and PDF, with the respect of readers being 
available for multiple platforms.

Now looking at it from IBM's point-of-view and "Copyright" material, are ePubs 
a little easier to "Edit" than a PDF?  I really do not know that answer, that 
is why I am asking.  I believe that PDFs can be protected from being "Edited" 
and still allow it to be read without having to enter a password, is there 
something similar for ePubs?  I do not know how much protection can be done in 
an ePub and again, I "Think" my statement about PDFs is correct, but I have 
been known to be wrong before! :)

Al Nims
University of Flordia

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Which platform doesn't support ePubs?

I agree with comments others have made regarding consistent formatting of PDFs 
(at least, when the authors embed the fonts anyway), and the different aims of 
PDF vs e-reader formats (whatever they might be, excluding PDF!).

I've got readers for Android, Windows and Linux. I don't have an Apple device 
so can't comment on OSX or iOS, but I'd be extremely surprised if there wasn't 
one. For my money, ePubs are usually smaller than their PDF counterparts.

Like you, I don't really care one way or the other, but what I do want is an 
usable, fast, and intuitive interface to the manuals on the IBM site - I don't 
really have a need for manuals offline, because if I've got a connection to a 
mainframe, I'll have internet access as well. 

Andy Styles
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>Just out of curiosity, if ePubs of z/OS books provided all the same 
>functionalities as PDFs (same technical content, same methods for 
>obtaining/saving, etc.), plus had added benefits such as visual scaling and 
>accessibility, would you still be so adamant about keeping PDFs? 




Basically I don't care what format is used, what I *do care* is that I want one 
format for which there is a reader on just about any platform. I do not want to 
keep the same book in different formats for different platforms. As a matter of 
fact, there are PDF readers available on all platforms (at least I now about 
Linux, iOS, OSX, Windows, Android).


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Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[John McKown]

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Peter Hunkeler  wrote:

> >Just out of curiosity, if ePubs of z/OS books provided all the same
> functionalities as PDFs (same technical content, same methods for
> obtaining/saving, etc.), plus had added benefits such as visual scaling and
> accessibility, would you still be so adamant about keeping PDFs?
>
> Basically I don't care what format is used, what I *do care* is that I
> want one format for which there is a reader on just about any platform. I
> do not want to keep the same book in different formats for different
> platforms. As a matter of fact, there are PDF readers available on all
> platforms (at least I now about Linux, iOS, OSX, Windows, Android).
>

I still maintain that my preference is for a textual "source" format such
as LaTeX being the official format. With IBM rendering that into PDF, mobi,
epub, and HTML5 as part of its distribution process. I like PDF. I really
do. But the original design objective for PDF, as mentioned previously, is
"print fidelity". That is, it __looks__ the same. In my world, content (not
appearance) is king. LaTeX is basically a textual "mark up" language, like
DCF (SGML). So I can store it on z/OS and actually read it (and
cut'n'paste) in an ISPF session. Am I being too "reactionary" in wanting to
have my documentation on the same system as it is documenting? I.e. z/OS
documentation on z/OS needing only access to z/OS without any other
"specialized" software on a "desktop"? I also like having said
documentation in a z/OS UNIX file because: (1) the file names can be more
descriptive due to being longer; (2) I'm used to searching for text using
"egrep" and regular expressions. Seems like a person will either "love"
(me) regexps or "passionately hate" them.


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Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Styles, Andy (SD EP zPlatform)]

Which platform doesn't support ePubs?

I agree with comments others have made regarding consistent formatting of PDFs 
(at least, when the authors embed the fonts anyway), and the different aims of 
PDF vs e-reader formats (whatever they might be, excluding PDF!).

I've got readers for Android, Windows and Linux. I don't have an Apple device 
so can't comment on OSX or iOS, but I'd be extremely surprised if there wasn't 
one. For my money, ePubs are usually smaller than their PDF counterparts.

Like you, I don't really care one way or the other, but what I do want is an 
usable, fast, and intuitive interface to the manuals on the IBM site - I don't 
really have a need for manuals offline, because if I've got a connection to a 
mainframe, I'll have internet access as well. 

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>Just out of curiosity, if ePubs of z/OS books provided all the same 
>functionalities as PDFs (same technical content, same methods for 
>obtaining/saving, etc.), plus had added benefits such as visual scaling and 
>accessibility, would you still be so adamant about keeping PDFs? 




Basically I don't care what format is used, what I *do care* is that I want one 
format for which there is a reader on just about any platform. I do not want to 
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fact, there are PDF readers available on all platforms (at least I now about 
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AW: Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Peter Hunkeler]

>Just out of curiosity, if ePubs of z/OS books provided all the same 
>functionalities as PDFs (same technical content, same methods for 
>obtaining/saving, etc.), plus had added benefits such as visual scaling and 
>accessibility, would you still be so adamant about keeping PDFs?




Basically I don't care what format is used, what I *do care* is that I want one 
format for which there is a reader on just about any platform. I do not want to 
keep the same book in different formats for different platforms. As a matter of 
fact, there are PDF readers available on all platforms (at least I now about 
Linux, iOS, OSX, Windows, Android).


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Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Tony Harminc]

On 7 July 2016 at 11:01, Sue Shumway  wrote:
> Just out of curiosity, if ePubs of z/OS books provided all the same 
> functionalities as PDFs (same technical content, same methods for 
> obtaining/saving, etc.), plus had added benefits such as visual scaling and 
> accessibility, would you still be so adamant about keeping PDFs?

It seems to me that the great claim-to-fame of PDFs is "print
fidelity", i.e. if you print or display a PDF document it looks
exactly the same as what the author intended, and is the same for
everyone on every device. Well everyone has seen this fail to some
extent, but still, it is a fundamental goal of the format. So fonts,
column spacing, page breaks, and of course colours on suitable devices
are *the same*, subject only to scaling and maybe font substitution if
necessary.

Other presentation formats have quite different goals. In particular,
HTML and friends are geared more to matching the content suitably to
the available presentation device, and I gather the ereader formats
are similar in this respect. For example exact pagination is not
maintained when you read a book on a Kindle; the text flow is more
important when you are reading a novel. Perhaps the author can enforce
some degree of fidelity, but I don't think it's a fundamental feature.

I'm not sure how important these goals are when talking of IBM pubs.
In the old .BOO format, tables often lost their alignment, and so for
example the descriptions of RACF return codes which have three levels
were often very hard to interpret in .BOO books, but always correct
(at least as correct as the author made them) in PDFs. Clearly reading
a print-fidelity document on a very small screen requiring much
windowing is no fun. But the layout does have to be maintained in
order to keep the technical results clear; these are for the most part
not novels or general text.

May I suggest you look at the RACF manual I mentioned above? It's
"SA23-2294-01 z/OS Security Server RACROUTE Macro Reference Version 2
Release 1". Drill down to "Chapter 3 System macros", then "RACROUTE
REQUEST=VERIFY (standard form)", and then "Return codes and reason
codes". The PDF version is "correct". See if/how you can get the
return and reason codes with their text descriptions to be readable on
several devices with various screen sizes.

Thanks,

Tony H.

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Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Jack J. Woehr]

Sue Shumway wrote:

Just out of curiosity, if ePubs of z/OS books provided all the same 
functionalities as PDFs (same technical content, same methods for 
obtaining/saving, etc.), plus had added benefits such as visual scaling and 
accessibility, would you still be so adamant about keeping PDFs?


Everyone has PDF ... not everyone has other ePub methods. E.g., PDF works on OpenBSD but I don't know of other ePub 
methods that work.


Please keep IBM publications operating system agnostic.

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Re: AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Sue Shumway]

I'm in the other camp with a smartphone but no tablet, and I hate trying to 
zoom and pan my way around what is basically an image on my small screen. I'm 
probably in the minority these days without a tablet, but there's no reason to 
not plan for small smartphone screens anyway.

Just out of curiosity, if ePubs of z/OS books provided all the same 
functionalities as PDFs (same technical content, same methods for 
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AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Peter Hunkeler]

>Yes, PDFs can be rough on a mobile. What do you think of ePubs instead?




I'm reading PDFs on my iPad all the time. Works great, provided you're using a 
good app (Apples builtin apps are not my first choice). For PDFs I used to use 
FileApp and have no swithed to Readdle's "Document 5". Great app with excellent 
search within the PDF.


I don't own a smartphone, so no experience with this type of mobile device.


As for ePub format: Whatever IBM chooses, don't abandon PDF! As said elswhere, 
I'm always downloading PDFs, e.g. all of the z/OS bookshelves and books onto 
any platform I'll be regularly working on. And lack of IBM Library Reader, I 
use PDFs.


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AW: Re: IBM Knowledge Centre

[Peter Hunkeler]

>The search in KC, which provides links to pages in manuals it's found, appears 
>to only provide the Data Areas manuals for 2.2.



It seems to me that the Data Areas manuals are missing again in the z/OS V2.1 
MVS bookshelf. Has happened before. The are there in the z/OS V2.2 bookshelf 
(yes, I'm talking about the new KC).




I've been ignoring the old KC because I considered it unusable and extreemely 
slow. But the new KC is much better once you find out how it works, especially 
the new touchy-touchy-like menu button at the upper left. If feel at home, but 
must say I save the link to the z/OS V2.1 bookshelf part:


http://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.1.0




Just don't try to use it with IE (up to IE11), use Firefox, Chrome or whatever, 
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