Re: Need tutorial

[Mark Zelden]

On Sat, 28 Dec 2013 22:28:08 +0530, baby eklavya  wrote:

>Hello ,
>
>Check out the books given below .
>
>Rexx Programmer's Reference by Howard
>Fosdick
>.
>
>Practical Usage of TSO REXX by Anthony S.
>Rudd
>.
>
>Rexx With Os/2, Tso & Cms Features: Quick Reference Guide by Gabriel F.
>Gargiulo
>.
>
>The REXX Language: A Practical Approach to Programing by Michail
>Cowlishaw
>.
>
>REXX in the TSO environment by Gabriel F
>Gargiulo
>.
>
>Programming in REXX by Charles
>Daney
>.
>
>The Rexx Handbook (J Ranade Ibm Series) by Gabriel Goldberg and Philip H.
>Smith
>.
>
>REXX Tools and Techniques by Barry K.
>Nirmal
>.
>
>Regards,
>Baby
>
>
>
>
>On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:
>
>> Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS.
>>
>> Charles
>> Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity
>>
>> Charles Mills  wrote:
>>
>> >Rexx is easy to learn. You need Cowlishaw's book and a system to play on:
>> z/OS or rexx for Windows or Linux. COBOL will be a little tougher.
>> >
>> >Charles
>> >Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity
>> >
>> >Rajesh Kumar  wrote:
>> >
>> >>Hi,
>> >>
>> >>I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me.
>> >>


I have an abridged training doc on my web site and CBT file 434 that I've used
for some clients.   If you  already know CLIST, I have a nice little conversion
chart at the end also.

URL for my web site is below.

Cheers,

Mark
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Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <07dd01cf055e$eb92e0d0$c2b8a270$@mcn.org>, on 12/30/2013
   at 07:59 AM, Charles Mills  said:

>It's really a separate topic, but I think there is little doubt 
>that it makes sense to edit code of any sort in some fast
>character-at-a-time interactive environment even if the target
>compile and/or execution environment is z/OS.

You can't do only one thing, and the Devil is in the details. There is
little doubt that it makes sense to edit code of any sort in some fast
character-at-a-time interactive environment that offers the same
convenience, functionality and speed as the available alternatives.
There is also little doubt that it makes sense to use a block mode
editor that offers more convenience, functionality and speed than a
GUI alternative.

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Re: Need tutorial

[John McKown]

Nobody has mentioned much about COBOL. Depending on what the OP wants to
learn, and his home system. He might be interested in GNU COBOL (formerly
OpenCOBOL) at http://www.opencobol.org . Or, perhaps even more so, zCOBOL,
at http://www.z390.org/zcobol/ . zCOBOL runs on Linux and Windows. It is
very similar to z/OS Enterprise COBOL, a good way to learn COBOL on the
cheap (only costs $0.00!). But Wait! There's More! It also comes with a
CICS emulator as well. Now what would you expect to pay?!? It's still the
low, low cost of $0.00!

What's the catch? It's written in Java. So you do need to have Java
installed on your desktop. However, I personally rather like Java. I also
enjoy hitting myself in the head with a nurf hammer. 



On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 6:37 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net> wrote:

> In <8988413032026434.wa.herowith.zerogmail@listserv.ua.edu>, on
> 12/28/2013
>at 08:28 AM, Rajesh Kumar  said:
>
> >I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol.
>
> REXX Reference Summary Handbook, ISBN 0-9639854-2-6
>
> REXX in 21 Days
>
> Both out of print, alas.
>
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Re: Need tutorial

[Sambataro, Anthony (NIH/NBS) [E]]

These may be helpful:

http://www.kyla.co.uk/other/rexx1.htm

http://www.csis.ul.ie/cobol/


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From: Rajesh Kumar [mailto:herowith.z...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:29 AM
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Hi,

I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me.

thanks

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Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

[Charles Mills]

Gee, I don't want to pose as an expert in the relative benefits of various
Rexx environments. I have near-zero experience on 'nix and USS, no recent
(15 years) experience on CMS, and although I have written large systems in
Rexx, I am not at present writing much Rexx beyond basic "TSO helper"
scripts.

I certainly don't want to contribute to an OS war.

I was just answering the question about how to learn Rexx, and if you happen
to have access to both, IMHO CMS is a more Rexx-friendly place than TSO.

It's really a separate topic, but I think there is little doubt that it
makes sense to edit code of any sort in some fast character-at-a-time
interactive environment even if the target compile and/or execution
environment is z/OS. My particular choice is MS Visual Studio, but I only
claim that it makes sense for me, not that it is the best for everyone.

Charles

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Subject: Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

On 2013-12-28, at 10:21, Charles Mills wrote:

> The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS. 
>  
How would you rank CMS vis-a-vis Unix System Services by this criterion?
Before USS was available I tended to edit JCL on CMS with XEDIT; nowadays on
Solaris, often accessing legacy data sets with NFS.  NFS will deal with
PDSE; I suspect that CMS would have trouble ACCESSing a PDSE, and writing to
any legacy z/OS data set from CMS is questionable, as is catalog search.  I
use TSO/ISPF, now as earlier, largely for:

o SDSF
o DSLIST
o DDLIST
o Testing with a customer-like environment.

I keep one ISPF session active, and as many USS or Solaris as convenient;
I've never mastered WSA.

(and I have one EXEC that uses ISPF LMGET to process RECFM=U (by override)
data sets because EXECIO refuses to deal with U.  That's reported to get
better in 2.1.)

Rexx SYSCALL is a boon (or a least it spares me learning Perl).

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Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <5c8fv3f78unypshw9tyopynk.1388251271...@email.android.com>, on
12/28/2013
   at 12:21 PM, Charles Mills  said:

>The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS. 

Rhat would seem to describe TSO as well. The only place where CMS has
a clear edge, IMHO, is XEDIT.
 
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Re: Need tutorial

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <8988413032026434.wa.herowith.zerogmail@listserv.ua.edu>, on
12/28/2013
   at 08:28 AM, Rajesh Kumar  said:

>I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol.

REXX Reference Summary Handbook, ISBN 0-9639854-2-6

REXX in 21 Days

Both out of print, alas.
 
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Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On 2013-12-28, at 10:21, Charles Mills wrote:

> The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS. 
>  
How would you rank CMS vis-a-vis Unix System Services by
this criterion?  Before USS was available I tended to edit
JCL on CMS with XEDIT; nowadays on Solaris, often accessing
legacy data sets with NFS.  NFS will deal with PDSE; I
suspect that CMS would have trouble ACCESSing a PDSE, and
writing to any legacy z/OS data set from CMS is questionable,
as is catalog search.  I use TSO/ISPF, now as earlier,
largely for:

o SDSF
o DSLIST
o DDLIST
o Testing with a customer-like environment.

I keep one ISPF session active, and as many USS or Solaris
as convenient; I've never mastered WSA.

(and I have one EXEC that uses ISPF LMGET to process
RECFM=U (by override) data sets because EXECIO refuses
to deal with U.  That's reported to get better in 2.1.)

Rexx SYSCALL is a boon (or a least it spares me learning
Perl).

-- gil

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Re: Need tutorial

[Charles Mills]

You can say that again!

Charles

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Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 2:44 PM
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Lizette's point is the crucial one.  I,. for one, would make quite different
recommendations to a novice and to an experienced programmer who just
happened not to know REXX and/or COBOL.

What you know in detail may even be important.  I recently taught REXX to my
teenager group, who already knew PL/I and the HLASM macro language; they
learned REXX very rapidly.  Like many PL/I programmers they still make more
use of optional semicolons than they need to do, but they were able to use
REXX 'arrays' as soon as I made it clear that they were very like HLASM
created set-symbol arrays.

In a word, tell us what you [already] know.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Need tutorial

[John Gilmore]

Lizette's point is the crucial one.  I,. for one, would make quite
different recommendations to a novice and to an experienced programmer
who just happened not to know REXX and/or COBOL.

What you know in detail may even be important.  I recently taught REXX
to my teenager group, who already knew PL/I and the HLASM macro
language; they learned REXX very rapidly.  Like many PL/I programmers
they still make more use of optional semicolons than they need to do,
but they were able to use REXX 'arrays' as soon as I made it clear
that they were very like HLASM created set-symbol arrays.

In a word, tell us what you know.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Need tutorial

[John Gilmore]

Lizette's point is the crucial one.  I,. for one, would make quite
different recommendations to a novice and to an experienced programmer
who just happened not to know REXX and/or COBOL.

What you know in detail may even be important.  I recently taught REXX
to my teenager group, who already knew PL/I and the HLASM macro
language; they learned REXX very rapidly.  Like many PL/I programmers
they still make more use of optional semicolons than they need to do,
but they were able to use REXX 'arrays' as soon as I made it clear
that they were very like HLASM created set-symbol arrays.

In a word, tell us what you [already] know.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Need tutorial

[Lizette Koehler]

You will get many answers.

It would help to know your platform and what level of experience you have with 
REXX and COBOL.

Do you have access to a system to work on these languages?

If your company has funds, I would go to Steve's website and purchase his 
trainings packets before Dec 31.

Tons of detail are available at:

   http://www.trainersfriend.com/SpecialSale/



Lizette


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> Behalf Of Rajesh Kumar
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 7:29 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Need tutorial
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me.
> 
> thanks
> 

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Re: Need tutorial

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Rajesh Kumar  wrote:

>I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me.

On what platform and environment? What is your goal to learn these two 
languages?

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: Learning Rexx (was: Need tutorial)

[Charles Mills]

The user-friendly interactive nature of CMS. 

Charles
Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity 

Paul Gilmartin  wrote:

>On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote:
>
>> Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS. 
>>  
>Why?  (Risking an advocacy thread.)
>
>For me, one reason is the CMS HELP facility.  In fact,
>sometimes coding Rexx for z/OS I'll log on to CMS merely
>to use HELP REXX .
>
>Other reasons?
>
>-- gil
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[Paul Gilmartin]

On 2013-12-28, at 09:47, Charles Mills wrote:

> Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS. 
>  
Why?  (Risking an advocacy thread.)

For me, one reason is the CMS HELP facility.  In fact,
sometimes coding Rexx for z/OS I'll log on to CMS merely
to use HELP REXX .

Other reasons?

-- gil

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Re: Need tutorial

[baby eklavya]

Hello ,

Check out the books given below .

Rexx Programmer's Reference by Howard
Fosdick
.

Practical Usage of TSO REXX by Anthony S.
Rudd
.

Rexx With Os/2, Tso & Cms Features: Quick Reference Guide by Gabriel F.
Gargiulo
.

The REXX Language: A Practical Approach to Programing by Michail
Cowlishaw
.

REXX in the TSO environment by Gabriel F
Gargiulo
.

Programming in REXX by Charles
Daney
.

The Rexx Handbook (J Ranade Ibm Series) by Gabriel Goldberg and Philip H.
Smith
.

REXX Tools and Techniques by Barry K.
Nirmal
.

Regards,
Baby




On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 10:17 PM, Charles Mills  wrote:

> Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS.
>
> Charles
> Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity
>
> Charles Mills  wrote:
>
> >Rexx is easy to learn. You need Cowlishaw's book and a system to play on:
> z/OS or rexx for Windows or Linux. COBOL will be a little tougher.
> >
> >Charles
> >Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity
> >
> >Rajesh Kumar  wrote:
> >
> >>Hi,
> >>
> >>I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me.
> >>
> >>thanks
> >>
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Re: Need tutorial

[Charles Mills]

Actually CMS on VM better for rexx than z/OS. 

Charles
Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity 

Charles Mills  wrote:

>Rexx is easy to learn. You need Cowlishaw's book and a system to play on: z/OS 
>or rexx for Windows or Linux. COBOL will be a little tougher. 
>
>Charles
>Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity 
>
>Rajesh Kumar  wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me.
>>
>>thanks
>>
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[Charles Mills]

Rexx is easy to learn. You need Cowlishaw's book and a system to play on: z/OS 
or rexx for Windows or Linux. COBOL will be a little tougher. 

Charles
Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity 

Rajesh Kumar  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me.
>
>thanks
>
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Need tutorial

[Rajesh Kumar]

Hi,

I need a good tutorial for rexx and cobol. PleasePlease provide me.

thanks

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