Re: OT-retirement

[ITschak Mugzach]

Scott.
It sound like it's time for a motorhome ;-)

ITschak

בתאריך 23 באוג 2017 04:27,‏ "scott Ford"  כתב:

> That's funny, love it, or out source your job
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:20 PM Rob Schramm  wrote:
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> > Lol
> >
> > Rob Schramm
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 22, 2017, 8:41 PM Thomas Kern <
> > 0041d919e708-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > It is time to retire when you cannot remember how long management has
> > > been trying to get rid of your mainframe.
> > >
> > > /Tom
> > >
> > > On 08/19/2017 09:11, scott Ford wrote:
> > > > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
> > > mind
> > > > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> > > >
> > > > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
> > > >
> > > > Scott
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Re: OT-retirement

[scott Ford]

That's funny, love it, or out source your job


On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 9:20 PM Rob Schramm  wrote:

> Lol
>
> Rob Schramm
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> On Tue, Aug 22, 2017, 8:41 PM Thomas Kern <
> 0041d919e708-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
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> > It is time to retire when you cannot remember how long management has
> > been trying to get rid of your mainframe.
> >
> > /Tom
> >
> > On 08/19/2017 09:11, scott Ford wrote:
> > > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
> > mind
> > > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> > >
> > > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
> > >
> > > Scott
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Re: OT-retirement

[Rob Schramm]

Lol

Rob Schramm

On Tue, Aug 22, 2017, 8:41 PM Thomas Kern <
0041d919e708-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> It is time to retire when you cannot remember how long management has
> been trying to get rid of your mainframe.
>
> /Tom
>
> On 08/19/2017 09:11, scott Ford wrote:
> > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
> mind
> > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> >
> > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
> >
> > Scott
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Re: OT-retirement

[Thomas Kern]

It is time to retire when you cannot remember how long management has 
been trying to get rid of your mainframe.


/Tom

On 08/19/2017 09:11, scott Ford wrote:

How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in mind
I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given

A friend is asking a lot of friends ..

Scott



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Re: Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

[Edward Gould]

> On Aug 21, 2017, at 8:12 PM, John McKown  wrote:
>> —SNIP
> ​How times have changed. I only turned in an expense report one - 2 weeks
> in a class in St. Paul. I filled out the report based on my receipts. My
> boss rejected it because IT WAS TOO LOW! I guess it made everybody else
> look bad. He instructed me to fill it out with numbers near those which
> were "recommend"​ on the form.
> 
—SNIP———
I won’t go into the details to much. The shift managers in the DC were always 
taking people out for dinners and then they would find other managers to take 
out for dinner. The expense accounts were (I heard) really high. A manger 
friend of mine was taken out for dinner and they ordered a $600 bottle of wine. 
He was sure that he was going to get called on the carpet for that, but no, it 
was paid in full. I had a few favorite dinner spots and the one place for 8 
people the check was $500 . One time I was out in Boston (I don’t remember if 
it was GUIDE or SHARE) the group I was with went out for dinner and someone 
ordered a bottle for $125 and he thought everyone would chip in. To make a long 
story short he drank the bottle himself.

On the other extreme, I was going to IBM classes 2-3 times a month and not in 
Chicago but DC and other nice places(LA, NYC, etc.). The hotel rate in DC was a 
little bit higher than the company liked. I ended up buying my own meals and 
not expensing them and I got called on the carpet for that. I had to redo the 
expense report and I was guessing (but making it reasonable for DC) and I think 
I came out ahead by 1.00. I was scolded for not spending money!

Then I went to work for another company and was asked to give a class on DFHSM 
to the HQ people in Dallas (IIRC). The company said they would take care of 
everything. SO I was flabbergasted, when the limo showed up to take me to the 
air port and it had a swimming pool in the back of the limo. I certainly didn’t 
need it especially a trip the the air port.

Then there was another company that was so cheap, I ended up arguing with the 
VP over $24 a month for the DFP option for SMS. Every time I saw him he would 
really give me a hard time. 
I got a little irratated and wrote up a 5 page executive over view of SMS and 
in a meeting with him I gave hime the overview and after he read it he shut up 
and OK’d the $24 a month additional charge, but it took a solid month of 
arguing. 

Ed


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Re: Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

[Edward Gould]

> On Aug 21, 2017, at 7:36 PM, Phil Smith III  wrote:
> 
> I love it when companies nickel-and-dime on expenses. Do they really think
> that folks aren't gonna get it back some other way? A friend was once
> challenged (by Finance, not his manager) over a dime for a pay toilet. His
> manager came to him and said "Just bury it somewhere else"-he realized it
> was stupid, but not a winnable fight. Probably a firing offense for both,
> but c'mon…
A *LONG* time ago in the 1980’s I had set up to go to Guide in CA, after Guide 
I flew to Miami and then an Island I goto.
What I used to do was always fly first class. The company only paid for coach, 
which was fine with me. I expensed the trip flying coach. Then the auditors got 
involved. The company was billed for coach both ways and when it came time I 
went first class. I went through the costs to the auditor and he grumbled. I 
asked him what was the matter? He said the company lost .25 cents in the whole 
transaction. I looked at him and dug in my pocket a 25 cent piece and handed it 
to him. I told him as I got up to leave I am not going to waste your time and 
my time on 25 cents. I thought he was going to ballistic on me. I closed the 
door and I could hear him swear up a blue streak. From then on my travel agent 
made the reservations on all my flights. I always reimbursed the company for 
the difference, I never heard from the auditor again. My boss cubed never did 
either.

Ed

> 
> 
> 
> I may have told this story, but I was at a customer site in Chicago about 15
> years ago. At lunchtime, it was clear that as The Vendor, we were buying.
> That was fine with us until the customer headed down a street that dead-ends
> at the river, and we realized that the only sign we could see was for a
> strip club. My cow-orker and I were sharing glances and muttering "YOU get
> to expense this one".
> 
> 
> 
> Fortunately, just short of the club, the customer veered into an
> almost-invisible hole-in-the-wall deli, so we didn't have to try to fight
> that battle!
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Re: Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

[John McKown]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Phil Smith III  wrote:

> I love it when companies nickel-and-dime on expenses. Do they really think
> that folks aren't gonna get it back some other way? A friend was once
> challenged (by Finance, not his manager) over a dime for a pay toilet. His
> manager came to him and said "Just bury it somewhere else"-he realized it
> was stupid, but not a winnable fight. Probably a firing offense for both,
> but c'mon...
>
> I may have told this story, but I was at a customer site in Chicago about
> 15
> years ago. At lunchtime, it was clear that as The Vendor, we were buying.
> That was fine with us until the customer headed down a street that
> dead-ends
> at the river, and we realized that the only sign we could see was for a
> strip club. My cow-orker and I were sharing glances and muttering "YOU get
> to expense this one".
>
>
>
> Fortunately, just short of the club, the customer veered into an
> almost-invisible hole-in-the-wall deli, so we didn't have to try to fight
> that battle!
>
>
​How times have changed. I only turned in an expense report one - 2 weeks
in a class in St. Paul. I filled out the report based on my receipts. My
boss rejected it because IT WAS TOO LOW! I guess it made everybody else
look bad. He instructed me to fill it out with numbers near those which
were "recommend"​ on the form.

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Re: Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

[Phil Smith III]

I love it when companies nickel-and-dime on expenses. Do they really think
that folks aren't gonna get it back some other way? A friend was once
challenged (by Finance, not his manager) over a dime for a pay toilet. His
manager came to him and said "Just bury it somewhere else"-he realized it
was stupid, but not a winnable fight. Probably a firing offense for both,
but c'mon...

 

I may have told this story, but I was at a customer site in Chicago about 15
years ago. At lunchtime, it was clear that as The Vendor, we were buying.
That was fine with us until the customer headed down a street that dead-ends
at the river, and we realized that the only sign we could see was for a
strip club. My cow-orker and I were sharing glances and muttering "YOU get
to expense this one".

 

Fortunately, just short of the club, the customer veered into an
almost-invisible hole-in-the-wall deli, so we didn't have to try to fight
that battle!


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OT-retirement

[Nightwatch RenBand]

At 70 1/2 you are forced to start taking out the RMD from your regular IRA
(not Roth).  If you are still earning a high salary that may mean the
government gets a big chunk (and will most likely do something stupid with
it).  SO, I expect to drop to part time, travel, practice my musical
instruments and enjoy life.

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Re: Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

[Edward Gould]

> On Aug 21, 2017, at 8:08 AM, Tom Marchant 
> <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:15:05 +, scott Ford wrote:
> 
>> What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?
> 
> One of the best managers I ever had was a PC weenie who knew 
> nothing about mainframes. He knew how to manage. He never tried 
> to make technical decisions because he knew that his people were 
> qualified to do that. He believed that the most important thing for 
> him to do was to keep the corporate bureaucracy out of our way 
> so that we could do our jobs. He enabled us to do our best work.
> ——SNIP—
The worst manager I have ever had did nothing but sharpen his pencils all day.
He was also the most political manager I have ever seen, he knew (somehow) that 
manager x was in a bad mood stay away from him, or that manager b was a good 
mood and you night get him to OK something. He would never go against the 
corporate thinking. In general he would never make a decision (except to order 
new pencils). I was told that he had worked his way up the corporate ladder as 
he started out as a gas meter reader. He was the least technical manager I have 
ever seen. He was also the cheapest manager I ever worked for. I got called in 
on a Sunday morning because the system was down. He refused to pay my 
parking($14), I told him to take my phone out the on call list as I will never 
answer/come in on a call again. I would not work OT again either.
Ed

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Re: OT-retirement

[Lund James E]

As they say... If you enjoy what you do, you never work a day in your life... 
just sayin'

James Lund
Texas A University

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Ed Jaffe wrote:
> I'll probably die with one foot in the grave and one hand on the keyboard... 

Me too, I'm on the "Work Until You Drop" retirement plan. Along with many of my 
generation:

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/08/02/baby-boomer-dying-on-the-job/

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Re: Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

[Lucas Rosalen]

I second you in every word.
So, by my own previous personal experience, having a PC weenie manager is
not necessarily a no go.

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2017-08-21 15:08 GMT+02:00 Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>:

> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:15:05 +, scott Ford wrote:
>
> >What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?
>
> One of the best managers I ever had was a PC weenie who knew
> nothing about mainframes. He knew how to manage. He never tried
> to make technical decisions because he knew that his people were
> qualified to do that. He believed that the most important thing for
> him to do was to keep the corporate bureaucracy out of our way
> so that we could do our jobs. He enabled us to do our best work.
>
> One of the worst managers was a highly competent technical person
> who seemed to think that he needed to second guess everything
> that we did. He didn't have the temperament to be a manager and
> should have remained in a technical position, but he accepted the
> change because idiotic bureaucracy couldn't give him a raise without
> making him a manager.
>
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Re: Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

[zMan]

And then there's the inverse stupid bureaucracy: I manage a team, but not
on paper, because making me a manager would involve a significant salary
reduction.

Every big company has a large and powerful Business Prevention Department!

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Tom Marchant <
000a2a8c2020-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:15:05 +, scott Ford wrote:
>
> >What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?
>
> One of the best managers I ever had was a PC weenie who knew
> nothing about mainframes. He knew how to manage. He never tried
> to make technical decisions because he knew that his people were
> qualified to do that. He believed that the most important thing for
> him to do was to keep the corporate bureaucracy out of our way
> so that we could do our jobs. He enabled us to do our best work.
>
> One of the worst managers was a highly competent technical person
> who seemed to think that he needed to second guess everything
> that we did. He didn't have the temperament to be a manager and
> should have remained in a technical position, but he accepted the
> change because idiotic bureaucracy couldn't give him a raise without
> making him a manager.
>
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Competent managers (was Re: OT-retirement)

[Tom Marchant]

On Sat, 19 Aug 2017 15:15:05 +, scott Ford wrote:

>What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?

One of the best managers I ever had was a PC weenie who knew 
nothing about mainframes. He knew how to manage. He never tried 
to make technical decisions because he knew that his people were 
qualified to do that. He believed that the most important thing for 
him to do was to keep the corporate bureaucracy out of our way 
so that we could do our jobs. He enabled us to do our best work.

One of the worst managers was a highly competent technical person 
who seemed to think that he needed to second guess everything 
that we did. He didn't have the temperament to be a manager and 
should have remained in a technical position, but he accepted the 
change because idiotic bureaucracy couldn't give him a raise without 
making him a manager.

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Re: OT-retirement

[scott Ford]

Guys,

Like you'll I have worked a lot of hours and additionally raised two
daughters on my own.
Now I would like to live a bit more, which I have started doing. You don't
realize what you miss working all the
Time ..I started art lessons, I draw and started painting, ans my gf says I
go "zen" when I draw and paint.

Scott


On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 1:53 PM Jack J. Woehr  wrote:

> Ed Jaffe wrote:
> > I'll probably die with one foot in the grave and one hand on the
> keyboard...
>
> Me too, I'm on the "Work Until You Drop" retirement plan. Along with many
> of my generation:
>
> http://www.pressherald.com/2017/08/02/baby-boomer-dying-on-the-job/
>
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Re: OT-retirement

[Jack J. Woehr]

Ed Jaffe wrote:
I'll probably die with one foot in the grave and one hand on the keyboard... 


Me too, I'm on the "Work Until You Drop" retirement plan. Along with many of my 
generation:

http://www.pressherald.com/2017/08/02/baby-boomer-dying-on-the-job/

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Re: OT-retirement

[Bill Johnson]

I've never heard anyone on their deathbed say they wish they spent more time 
working. Wife and I have spent the last 10 years seeing the world. Will spend 
the next 10 doing more of the same.


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wrote:

On 8/19/2017 6:11 AM, scott Ford wrote:
> How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in mind
> I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given

I'll probably die with one foot in the grave and one hand on the keyboard...

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Re: OT-retirement

[Ed Jaffe]

On 8/19/2017 6:11 AM, scott Ford wrote:

How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in mind
I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given


I'll probably die with one foot in the grave and one hand on the keyboard...

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Re: OT-retirement

[scott Ford]

William and retired,

Absolutely 


On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 12:45 PM retired mainframer <
retired-mainfra...@q.com> wrote:

> Since you are not working for the money, prioritize your time.
>
>  Are there things you want to do while you are still able?  For me,
> traveling was one of the biggies.  For others, it might be spending time
> with the grandkids before they become teenagers.  Some enjoy volunteering
>
>  Are there time consuming hobbies you have always wanted to enjoy but
> couldn't fit in around a daily work schedule?  Are there old friends and
> family you have not had enough time to see as often as you want?
>
> By the way, retirement need not be 100%.  But when you do, make sure you
> have a plan to at least partially fill the new 8-10 hour void in your day.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On
> > Behalf Of scott Ford
> > Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 6:12 AM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: OT-retirement
> >
> > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
> mind
> > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> >
> > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
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Re: OT-retirement

[retired mainframer]

Since you are not working for the money, prioritize your time.  

 Are there things you want to do while you are still able?  For me, 
traveling was one of the biggies.  For others, it might be spending time with 
the grandkids before they become teenagers.  Some enjoy volunteering

 Are there time consuming hobbies you have always wanted to enjoy but 
couldn't fit in around a daily work schedule?  Are there old friends and family 
you have not had enough time to see as often as you want?

By the way, retirement need not be 100%.  But when you do, make sure you have a 
plan to at least partially fill the new 8-10 hour void in your day.

> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 6:12 AM
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> Subject: OT-retirement
> 
> How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in mind
> I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> 
> A friend is asking a lot of friends ..

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Re: OT-retirement

[william janulin]

Gary hit the nail right on the head. When it stops being fun and there are 
other things you would rather be doing. 
 

On Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:27 AM, scott Ford  
wrote:
 

 Guys your absolutely right on both accounts..
It's not bad when people you work with ask questions because of lack of
knowledge or curious.
I tell everyone I don't know all the answers but will help then figure it
out.

I work with some that think they know, very dangerous especially where i
work in security products.



On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:24 AM Bill Johnson <
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> That's a big one. Very frustrating dealing with someone who has next to
> zero mainframe knowledge.
>
>
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> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, 11:15 AM, scott Ford 
> wrote:
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> What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM John Clifford 
> wrote:
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> > When you can't find any jobs locally after looking for over a year.
> Forget
> > it and retire(d).
> >
> > John C
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:11 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
> >
> > > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
> > mind
> > > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> > >
> > > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
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Re: OT-retirement

[scott Ford]

Guys your absolutely right on both accounts..
It's not bad when people you work with ask questions because of lack of
knowledge or curious.
I tell everyone I don't know all the answers but will help then figure it
out.

I work with some that think they know, very dangerous especially where i
work in security products.



On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:24 AM Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> That's a big one. Very frustrating dealing with someone who has next to
> zero mainframe knowledge.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017, 11:15 AM, scott Ford 
> wrote:
>
> What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM John Clifford 
> wrote:
>
> > When you can't find any jobs locally after looking for over a year.
> Forget
> > it and retire(d).
> >
> > John C
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:11 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
> >
> > > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
> > mind
> > > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> > >
> > > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
> > >
> > > Scott
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Re: OT-retirement

[Bill Johnson]

That's a big one. Very frustrating dealing with someone who has next to zero 
mainframe knowledge.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, August 19, 2017, 11:15 AM, scott Ford  wrote:

What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?


On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM John Clifford  wrote:

> When you can't find any jobs locally after looking for over a year. Forget
> it and retire(d).
>
> John C
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:11 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
>
> > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
> mind
> > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> >
> > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
> >
> > Scott
> > --
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Re: OT-retirement

[Steve Beaver]

If comes down to.  Do you love what you do, and you could cut down to 2 days 
week and play the other 5

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> On Aug 19, 2017, at 10:15, scott Ford  wrote:
> 
> Guys and girls I am 67 on Sundayit's making me think
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:15 AM scott Ford  wrote:
>> 
>> What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM John Clifford 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> When you can't find any jobs locally after looking for over a year. Forget
>>> it and retire(d).
>>> 
>>> John C
>>> 
 On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:11 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
 
 How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
>>> mind
 I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
 
 A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
 
 Scott
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Re: OT-retirement

[scott Ford]

Guys and girls I am 67 on Sundayit's making me think


On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 11:15 AM scott Ford  wrote:

> What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM John Clifford 
> wrote:
>
>> When you can't find any jobs locally after looking for over a year. Forget
>> it and retire(d).
>>
>> John C
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:11 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
>>
>> > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
>> mind
>> > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
>> >
>> > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
>> >
>> > Scott
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Re: OT-retirement

[scott Ford]

What about having PC managers who don't understand z/OS or z/OS ppl?


On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM John Clifford  wrote:

> When you can't find any jobs locally after looking for over a year. Forget
> it and retire(d).
>
> John C
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:11 AM, scott Ford  wrote:
>
> > How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in
> mind
> > I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
> >
> > A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
> >
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Re: OT-retirement

[John Clifford]

When you can't find any jobs locally after looking for over a year. Forget
it and retire(d).

John C

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:11 AM, scott Ford  wrote:

> How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in mind
> I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given
>
> A friend is asking a lot of friends ..
>
> Scott
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Re: OT-retirement

[Gary DiPillo]

When it stops being fun.

When you have other things you would rather be doing.

Gary (who is able to wind it all down slowly and is doing just that)


On 8/19/2017 9:11 AM, scott Ford wrote:

How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in mind
I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given

A friend is asking a lot of friends ..

Scott



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OT-retirement

[scott Ford]

How does a techie of 40 yrs know when it's time to retire? Bearing in mind
I understand you have to have enough money, for me that's a given

A friend is asking a lot of friends ..

Scott
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