Re: Mantissa and X86
Will it run windows? I don't see any verbiage making that specific claim. Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized review use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited and may be a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this message to an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.
Re: Mantissa and X86
This page has more info: http://www.mantissa.com/products/UV/zvos-for-schools Steve Mitchell wrote: Will it run windows? I don't see any verbiage making that specific claim. Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized review use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited and may be a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this message to an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- Rich Smrcina VM Assist, Inc. Phone: 414-491-6001 Ans Service: 360-715-2467 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2009 - Orlando, FL - May 15-19, 2009
Re: Mantissa and X86
Hi, Steve. On July 22,2008, Gary Dennis of Mantissa Corp made the following statement on the VM list: In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM. Gary Dennis Mantissa Corporation I am guessing that the way that this might work is to run the Windows system 'headless' on z/VM, and then have some sort of thin client connect to the server. I believe that Microsoft has implemented a protocol for doing just this sort of thing. Have a good one. Steve Mitchell wrote: Will it run windows? I don't see any verbiage making that specific claim. Steve Mitchell Sr Systems Software Specialist Blue Cross Blue Shield of Kansas (785) 291-8885 'There are no degrees of Honesty-you're either Honest or you're not! CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential, trade secret or privileged information. Any unauthorized review use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited and may be a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient or a person responsible for delivering this message to an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. -- DJ V/Soft z/VM and mainframe Linux expertise, training, consulting, and software development www.vsoft-software.com
Re: Moving On II
Sorry to hear this. I wish I could say we had a position for you here, but things have gotten tight all over. Good luck. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 2/21/09 4:05 PM, Mark Wheeler mwheele...@hotmail.com wrote: Greetings folks, The proverbial last shoe dropped Thursday, when I was notified that my position at 3M has been eliminated. If anyone in the Minneapolis/St Paul area is looking for person with solid z/VM, zLinux, TSM, Unix System Services, and yes, even a bit of SMP/E experience, I'd appreciate hearing from you. I have so many of you to thank for all the help you've given to me and others in the VM community for all these 28+ years. I'll still be lurking here on IBMVM and others. Hopefully something will turn up so I can continue to get my daily REXX/Pipes/USS fix. Very best regards, Mark Wheeler Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_AE_Access_022009
Re: Second level VM systems
Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 VM/SP 3 VM/SP 4 VM/SP 5 along with VM/IS 5 and VM/XA Release 1 VM/SP 6 along with VM/IS 6 VM/ESA 370 mode VM/ESA ESA mode I remember BSE (Basic System Extensions), being an option. I don't know if there were other options available or if the option really wasn't optional. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com 2/23/2009 6:15 PM The SPs didn't appear until R4. SP1 had a few problems (take that euphemistically). Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Ivan Warren Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:11 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM systems Schuh, Richard wrote: Nope, I really meant R2. The year was 1973. David, Richard.. Ok.. R2 R3 ! --Ivan
Re: Second level VM systems
There also was VM/IS 4. I had the pleasure of supporting VM in a module replacement only environment. IBM had some great System Engineers that helped the customers back then. Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you, Dave Hansen Sr. Systems Programmer Hennepin County Information Technology 300 South 6th Street Minneapolis, MN 55487 Ph: 612.596.1283 FAX: 612.348.4663 Tom Duerbusch duerbus...@stlouiscity.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc 02/24/2009 10:48 AM Subject Re: Second level VM systems Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 VM/SP 3 VM/SP 4 VM/SP 5 along with VM/IS 5 and VM/XA Release 1 VM/SP 6 along with VM/IS 6 VM/ESA 370 mode VM/ESA ESA mode I remember BSE (Basic System Extensions), being an option. I don't know if there were other options available or if the option really wasn't optional. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com 2/23/2009 6:15 PM The SPs didn't appear until R4. SP1 had a few problems (take that euphemistically). Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Ivan Warren Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:11 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM systems Schuh, Richard wrote: Nope, I really meant R2. The year was 1973. David, Richard.. Ok.. R2 R3 ! --Ivan Disclaimer: Information in this message or an attachment may be government data and thereby subject to the Minnesota Government Data Practices Act, Minnesota Statutes, Chapter 13, may be subject to attorney-client or work product privilege, may be confidential, privileged, proprietary, or otherwise protected, and the unauthorized review, copying, retransmission, or other use or disclosure of the information is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please immediately notify the sender of the transmission error and then promptly delete this message from your computer system.
Re: Second level VM systems
Yes, the SPs overlapped the later Releases, and the HPOs overlapped the later SPs. IIRC, SP1 was based on Release 4. It came out later than the release and wasn't well received because of problems. There was even the famous T-shirt that Jim Bergsten designed and sold at SHARE. It depicted the VM teddy bear skipping down the lane toward a tree where a big vulture was perched. The caption was, IIRC, VM/SP1 is waiting for you. It may have just been VM/SP instead of VM/SP1. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Tom Duerbusch Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:40 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM systems Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 VM/SP 3 VM/SP 4 VM/SP 5 along with VM/IS 5 and VM/XA Release 1 VM/SP 6 along with VM/IS 6 VM/ESA 370 mode VM/ESA ESA mode I remember BSE (Basic System Extensions), being an option. I don't know if there were other options available or if the option really wasn't optional. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com 2/23/2009 6:15 PM The SPs didn't appear until R4. SP1 had a few problems (take that euphemistically). Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Ivan Warren Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:11 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM systems Schuh, Richard wrote: Nope, I really meant R2. The year was 1973. David, Richard.. Ok.. R2 R3 ! --Ivan
Re: Second level VM systems
Tom Duerbusch wrote: Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 VM/SP 3 VM/SP 4 VM/SP 5 along with VM/IS 5 and VM/XA Release 1 VM/SP 6 along with VM/IS 6 VM/ESA 370 mode VM/ESA ESA mode I remember BSE (Basic System Extensions), being an option. I don't know if there were other options available or if the option really wasn't optional. IIRC, SEPP BSEPP were optional extensions to VM/370 R6. I think they added stuff like Fullscreen I/O and LDEVs. Also HPO : 4 5 simultaneously with SP 4/5. (there might have been earlier HPOs, but I'm not sure only have worked with HPO 4 5). And the case of the mysteriously disappearing HPO 6 that should have come along with SP 6.. Current (at that time) HPO 5 users received all the HPO 6 manuals only to be told that there would never be an HPO 6 ! We were then told something in the line that HPO 6 *DID* exist, but would never be publicly released (only the U.S. Govt would have access to it). They claim they did this to push VM/XA SP 2.1.. And that the manuals were erroneously shipped ! Which did cause some grief at the shop at was working at that time since VM/XA severly lacked 3270 BSC support Note the list is also missing the VM/XA SF VM/XA SP line of products ;).. But yeah.. I think VM/XA SP1 was with SP 5 and VM/XA SP2 was with SP6 (with a supposedly common version of CMS.. CMS 6.5 ?) --Ivan
Re: Moving On II
Thanks for your service to the community. Best of luck in rebounding. Mark Wheeler wrote: Greetings folks, The proverbial last shoe dropped Thursday, when I was notified that my position at 3M has been eliminated. If anyone in the Minneapolis/St Paul area is looking for person with solid z/VM, zLinux, TSM, Unix System Services, and yes, even a bit of SMP/E experience, I'd appreciate hearing from you. I have so many of you to thank for all the help you've given to me and others in the VM community for all these 28+ years. I'll still be lurking here on IBMVM and others. Hopefully something will turn up so I can continue to get my daily REXX/Pipes/USS fix. Very best regards, Mark Wheeler
Re: Second level VM systems
I think SEPP was available for VM/370 R5. SEPP, if remember correctly, was the "official" version of the Wheeler Scheduler. I don't thing BSEPP included the Wheeler Scheduler. HPO R4 was probably the shortest lived IBM release ever. I supported a shop that was a Beta site (or whatever they called it) for SP4 and HPO4 because it brought "native" mode VM/VTAM. SP4 didn't seem to be too bad, maybe just in comparison to HPO4. HPO4 GA'd in about December of 1985 and was replaced with HPO4.2 in about March of 1986. A good day would mean no more than one CP abend. Barton Robinson, then IBM, lived with us for a few weeks. Jim Ivan Warren wrote: Tom Duerbusch wrote: Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 VM/SP 3 VM/SP 4 VM/SP 5 along with VM/IS 5 and VM/XA Release 1 VM/SP 6 along with VM/IS 6 VM/ESA 370 mode VM/ESA ESA mode I remember BSE (Basic System Extensions), being an option. I don't know if there were other options available or if the option really wasn't optional. IIRC, SEPP BSEPP were optional extensions to VM/370 R6. I think they added stuff like Fullscreen I/O and LDEVs. Also HPO : 4 5 simultaneously with SP 4/5. (there might have been earlier HPOs, but I'm not sure only have worked with HPO 4 5). And the case of the mysteriously disappearing HPO 6 that should have come along with SP 6.. Current (at that time) HPO 5 users received all the HPO 6 manuals only to be told that there would never be an HPO 6 ! We were then told something in the line that HPO 6 *DID* exist, but would never be publicly released (only the U.S. Govt would have access to it). They claim they did this to push VM/XA SP 2.1.. And that the manuals were erroneously shipped ! Which did cause some grief at the shop at was working at that time since VM/XA severly lacked 3270 BSC support Note the list is also missing the VM/XA SF VM/XA SP line of products ;).. But yeah.. I think VM/XA SP1 was with SP 5 and VM/XA SP2 was with SP6 (with a supposedly common version of CMS.. CMS 6.5 ?) --Ivan -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell jab...@cornell.edu
MPROUTE
With SLES 9 guest and WebSphere V5 (basic mode) we had all of our data ba se traffic to z/OS passing over Hipersockets. Since upgrading to SLES10 SP2 and WebSphere V6.1(Network Deployment) the data base traffic is going ove r the lan. Ignoring Hipersocket. We've traceroute etc and the 'routing' information is correct. Ping works on both networks. Hipersocket Networ k 192.168.11, Lan 10.171.72. The network configuration has not changed or been altered. MQ traffic is using Hipersockets. The WebSphere team has brought in a consultant who says, SLES 10 and VM are now more tightly coupled and is wondering if MPROUTE could be overriding the default route s. I confess to knowing nothing about MPROUTE (I'm looking and reading now, at least after completing this note). Is this conceivable? How do I find o ut what routes MPROUTE is 'using', and Finally, how would VM:MPROUTE even kn ow that both networks end up at the same host?
Re: Mantissa and X86
Dave Jones wrote: Hi, Steve. On July 22,2008, Gary Dennis of Mantissa Corp made the following statement on the VM list: In Q1 2009 Mantissa will deliver a system that permits unaltered Windows operating systems to run under z/VM. Gary Dennis Mantissa Corporation I am guessing that the way that this might work is to run the Windows system 'headless' on z/VM, and then have some sort of thin client connect to the server. I believe that Microsoft has implemented a protocol for doing just this sort of thing. Have a good one. I expect that it will work somewhat like VMware VIEW. The user logs on to VIEW with a thin client and their desktop (running on a X86 VMware server) appears. VIEW keeps track of the users and which virtual machine belongs to which user. VIEW also creates new virtual machines for new users from a template (think of a virtual machine with no cpu or memory). VIEW is a well thought out front end for VMware. Now that Mantissa is running Windows on z/VM the obvious next step is VIEW for z/VM. :) Maybe Mantissa has already done it. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: Second level VM systems
There also was an HPO R3 (and 3.2?) HPO6 was kind of special bid only in Belgium. I installed it for my customer: we needed 16 Meg real storage and VM/APPC programs talking to OS/2 (hence AVS), VM/XA could not help us, so we got HPO R6 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu I think SEPP was available for VM/370 R5. SEPP, if remember correctly, was the official version of the Wheeler Scheduler. I don't thing BSEPP included the Wheeler Scheduler. HPO R4 was probably the shortest lived IBM release ever. I supported a shop that was a Beta site (or whatever they called it) for SP4 and HPO4 because it brought native mode VM/VTAM. SP4 didn't seem to be too bad, maybe just in comparison to HPO4. HPO4 GA'd in about December of 1985 and was replaced with HPO4.2 in about March of 1986. A good day would mean no more than one CP abend. Barton Robinson, then IBM, lived with us for a few weeks. Jim Ivan Warren wrote: Tom Duerbusch wrote: Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 VM/SP 3 VM/SP 4 VM/SP 5 along with VM/IS 5 and VM/XA Release 1 VM/SP 6 along with VM/IS 6 VM/ESA 370 mode VM/ESA ESA mode I remember BSE (Basic System Extensions), being an option. I don't know if there were other options available or if the option really wasn't optional. IIRC, SEPP BSEPP were optional extensions to VM/370 R6. I think they added stuff like Fullscreen I/O and LDEVs. Also HPO : 4 5 simultaneously with SP 4/5. (there might have been earlier HPOs, but I'm not sure only have worked with HPO 4 5). And the case of the mysteriously disappearing HPO 6 that should have come along with SP 6.. Current (at that time) HPO 5 users received all the HPO 6 manuals only to be told that there would never be an HPO 6 ! We were then told something in the line that HPO 6 *DID* exist, but would never be publicly released (only the U.S. Govt would have access to it). They claim they did this to push VM/XA SP 2.1.. And that the manuals were erroneously shipped ! Which did cause some grief at the shop at was working at that time since VM/XA severly lacked 3270 BSC support Note the list is also missing the VM/XA SF VM/XA SP line of products ;).. But yeah.. I think VM/XA SP1 was with SP 5 and VM/XA SP2 was with SP6 (with a supposedly common version of CMS.. CMS 6.5 ?) --Ivan -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 celljab...@cornell.edu -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Second level VM systems
I got into VM late in life. My first VM system was HPO 3.6. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM systems There also was an HPO R3 (and 3.2?) HPO6 was kind of special bid only in Belgium. I installed it for my customer: we needed 16 Meg real storage and VM/APPC programs talking to OS/2 (hence AVS), VM/XA could not help us, so we got HPO R6 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu I think SEPP was available for VM/370 R5. SEPP, if remember correctly, was the official version of the Wheeler Scheduler. I don't thing BSEPP included the Wheeler Scheduler. HPO R4 was probably the shortest lived IBM release ever. I supported a shop that was a Beta site (or whatever they called it) for SP4 and HPO4 because it brought native mode VM/VTAM. SP4 didn't seem to be too bad, maybe just in comparison to HPO4. HPO4 GA'd in about December of 1985 and was replaced with HPO4.2 in about March of 1986. A good day would mean no more than one CP abend. Barton Robinson, then IBM, lived with us for a few weeks. Jim Ivan Warren wrote: Tom Duerbusch wrote: Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 VM/SP 3 VM/SP 4 VM/SP 5 along with VM/IS 5 and VM/XA Release 1 VM/SP 6 along with VM/IS 6 VM/ESA 370 mode VM/ESA ESA mode I remember BSE (Basic System Extensions), being an option. I don't know if there were other options available or if the option really wasn't optional. IIRC, SEPP BSEPP were optional extensions to VM/370 R6. I think they added stuff like Fullscreen I/O and LDEVs. Also HPO : 4 5 simultaneously with SP 4/5. (there might have been earlier HPOs, but I'm not sure only have worked with HPO 4 5). And the case of the mysteriously disappearing HPO 6 that should have come along with SP 6.. Current (at that time) HPO 5 users received all the HPO 6 manuals only to be told that there would never be an HPO 6 ! We were then told something in the line that HPO 6 *DID* exist, but would never be publicly released (only the U.S. Govt would have access to it). They claim they did this to push VM/XA SP 2.1.. And that the manuals were erroneously shipped ! Which did cause some grief at the shop at was working at that time since VM/XA severly lacked 3270 BSC support Note the list is also missing the VM/XA SF VM/XA SP line of products ;).. But yeah.. I think VM/XA SP1 was with SP 5 and VM/XA SP2 was with SP6 (with a supposedly common version of CMS.. CMS 6.5 ?) --Ivan -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell jab...@cornell.edu -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Second level VM systems
No, HPO 6 was available in the US as well, because I replaced an HPO 6 system with VM/ESA 1.2.1 in 1994. Jim Kris Buelens wrote: --001636c598448597520463af4eed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There also was an HPO R3 (and 3.2?) HPO6 was kind of special bid only in Belgium. I installed it for my customer: we needed 16 Meg real storage and VM/APPC programs talking to OS/2 (hence AVS), VM/XA could not help us, so we got HPO R6 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell jab...@cornell.edu
Clear_Tdisk question
We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: Clear_Tdisk question
Have you tried to define a T-disk and run DDR to see what had been done without formatting the disk? I see where it says that binary zeros are written, but it doesn't say how many. I suppose it could do a formatting write and just write one record of any size. I don't know if that would satisfy the statement or intent. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Clear_Tdisk question We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: Second level VM systems
I didn't want to say HPO R6 was for Belgium only. No, I wanted to say: in Belgium a special bid was required to get it. 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu No, HPO 6 was available in the US as well, because I replaced an HPO 6 system with VM/ESA 1.2.1 in 1994. Jim Kris Buelens wrote: --001636c598448597520463af4eed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There also was an HPO R3 (and 3.2?) HPO6 was kind of special bid only in Belgium. I installed it for my customer: we needed 16 Meg real storage and VM/APPC programs talking to OS/2 (hence AVS), VM/XA could not help us, so we got HPO R6 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell jab...@cornell.edu -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Clear_Tdisk question
I'de be surprized if CP would only write 1 4K record per track: 180 4K records fit on a 3390 track, and CP will surely remove all data. You could use DDR PRINT to find out, or use DITTO if you've got it. 2009/2/24 Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Clear_Tdisk question
180 fit in a 3390 cylinder. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:31 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Clear_Tdisk question I'de be surprized if CP would only write 1 4K record per track: 180 4K records fit on a 3390 track, and CP will surely remove all data. You could use DDR PRINT to find out, or use DITTO if you've got it. 2009/2/24 Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Clear_Tdisk question
Apparently does writes 1 4096 byte record on a detach. Onto the next rabbit hole to peak into... Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Clear_Tdisk question Have you tried to define a T-disk and run DDR to see what had been done without formatting the disk? I see where it says that binary zeros are written, but it doesn't say how many. I suppose it could do a formatting write and just write one record of any size. I don't know if that would satisfy the statement or intent. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Clear_Tdisk question We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: Second level VM systems
It was a special everywhere. The HPO features for PERFORMANCE were bundled into SP6 to restore performance lost in the move from SP5 because of all the extra's as confirmed by the announcement letter:- http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/2/877/ENUSZP89-0342/ I hope that works for others As Kris said you only needed HPO6 for machines with 16megs of RAM (or perhaps more than 16 channels).. Dave Wade G4UGM Illegitimi Non Carborundum -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: 24 February 2009 21:33 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM systems I didn't want to say HPO R6 was for Belgium only. No, I wanted to say: in Belgium a special bid was required to get it. 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu No, HPO 6 was available in the US as well, because I replaced an HPO 6 system with VM/ESA 1.2.1 in 1994. Jim Kris Buelens wrote: --001636c598448597520463af4eed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There also was an HPO R3 (and 3.2?) HPO6 was kind of special bid only in Belgium. I installed it for my customer: we needed 16 Meg real storage and VM/APPC programs talking to OS/2 (hence AVS), VM/XA could not help us, so we got HPO R6 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell jab...@cornell.edu -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Clear_Tdisk question
I presume that it was done as a formatting write so that there are no more visible fields following record 1. That would at least be a logical erasure of the rest of the track. If that satisfies Chuckie, or even if it satisfies Alan, it is all right with me for them to use the fast erase method. Is it possible to not include T-disk space in the remote copy? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Clear_Tdisk question Apparently does writes 1 4096 byte record on a detach. Onto the next rabbit hole to peak into... Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Clear_Tdisk question Have you tried to define a T-disk and run DDR to see what had been done without formatting the disk? I see where it says that binary zeros are written, but it doesn't say how many. I suppose it could do a formatting write and just write one record of any size. I don't know if that would satisfy the statement or intent. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Clear_Tdisk question We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: Clear_Tdisk question
Yes, it is a formatting write. There are no more records on each track after Record 1. Steve Wilkins z/VM I/O Strategy IBM VM Development | | From: | | --| |Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com | --| | | To:| | --| |IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU | --| | | Date: | | --| |02/24/2009 06:43 PM | --| | | Subject: | | --| |Re: Clear_Tdisk question | --| I presume that it was done as a formatting write so that there are no more visible fields following record 1. That would at least be a logical erasure of the rest of the track. If that satisfies Chuckie, or even if it satisfies Alan, it is all right with me for them to use the fast erase method. Is it possible to not include T-disk space in the remote copy? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Clear_Tdisk question Apparently does writes 1 4096 byte record on a detach. Onto the next rabbit hole to peak into... Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Clear_Tdisk question Have you tried to define a T-disk and run DDR to see what had been done without formatting the disk? I see where it says that binary zeros are written, but it doesn't say how many. I suppose it could do a formatting write and just write one record of any size. I don't know if that would satisfy the statement or intent. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Clear_Tdisk question We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: Clear_Tdisk question
Is it possible to not include T-disk space in the remote copy? Its been talked about, but there's like a 1100 volumes in production (and their 1100 mirrors). And only a handful of tdisk volumes... The coding is way easier without having to figure out where we stashed the tdisk vols. But if VM is doing valid legal i/o's, the XRC shouldn't mind that we do, should he?!! (at least that's what I'm hoping). Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Clear_Tdisk question I presume that it was done as a formatting write so that there are no more visible fields following record 1. That would at least be a logical erasure of the rest of the track. If that satisfies Chuckie, or even if it satisfies Alan, it is all right with me for them to use the fast erase method. Is it possible to not include T-disk space in the remote copy? Regards, Richard Schuh
Re: Clear_Tdisk question
Does look like z/OS guys can read stuff off after a formatting write though. They told me they found addresses and other such corp properties data with their utility (DSS?) So probably not good enough for Alan :) But when you have to have more than one o/s eating the same disk drive, security is always going to be questionable. z/VM depends on z/OS to do long distance mirroring, at least with IBM product. Not sure if the other vendors do. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Wilkins Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 3:57 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Clear_Tdisk question Yes, it is a formatting write. There are no more records on each track after Record 1. Steve Wilkins z/VM I/O Strategy IBM VM Development Inactive hide details for Schuh, Richard ---02/24/2009 06:43:06 PM---I presume that it was done as a formatting write so thatSchuh, Richard ---02/24/2009 06:43:06 PM---I presume that it was done as a formatting write so that there are no From: Schuh, Richard rsc...@visa.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 02/24/2009 06:43 PM Subject: Re: Clear_Tdisk question I presume that it was done as a formatting write so that there are no more visible fields following record 1. That would at least be a logical erasure of the rest of the track. If that satisfies Chuckie, or even if it satisfies Alan, it is all right with me for them to use the fast erase method. Is it possible to not include T-disk space in the remote copy? Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:08 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Clear_Tdisk question Apparently does writes 1 4096 byte record on a detach. Onto the next rabbit hole to peak into... Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Schuh, Richard Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:33 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] Clear_Tdisk question Have you tried to define a T-disk and run DDR to see what had been done without formatting the disk? I see where it says that binary zeros are written, but it doesn't say how many. I suppose it could do a formatting write and just write one record of any size. I don't know if that would satisfy the statement or intent. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 1:04 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Clear_Tdisk question We have XRC choking on a VM tdisk volume. Its mod 3 - tdisk 1-3338. When clearing Tdisk, does VM write 1 4096 byte record per track? XRC support is trying to figure out what's going on. Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation.
Re: Second level VM systems
I got into VM when it was CP/67 in 1970 and it certainly has been a fun ride. One of my first tasks was to use O/S PCP to run multiple O/S jobs under CP to justify the box. This was about the time Aetna started a project to implement O/S MVT. In mid 1971 I moved to Eastern Airlines and lost the use of VM until 1973 when I finally convinced Eastern management VM was the best way to test ACP/TPF. _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of James Stracka (DHL US) Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 2:58 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM systems I got into VM late in life. My first VM system was HPO 3.6. _ From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Kris Buelens Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 12:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Second level VM systems There also was an HPO R3 (and 3.2?) HPO6 was kind of special bid only in Belgium. I installed it for my customer: we needed 16 Meg real storage and VM/APPC programs talking to OS/2 (hence AVS), VM/XA could not help us, so we got HPO R6 2009/2/24 Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu I think SEPP was available for VM/370 R5. SEPP, if remember correctly, was the official version of the Wheeler Scheduler. I don't thing BSEPP included the Wheeler Scheduler. HPO R4 was probably the shortest lived IBM release ever. I supported a shop that was a Beta site (or whatever they called it) for SP4 and HPO4 because it brought native mode VM/VTAM. SP4 didn't seem to be too bad, maybe just in comparison to HPO4. HPO4 GA'd in about December of 1985 and was replaced with HPO4.2 in about March of 1986. A good day would mean no more than one CP abend. Barton Robinson, then IBM, lived with us for a few weeks. Jim Ivan Warren wrote: Tom Duerbusch wrote: Was there overlap? I was on VM/370 Release 6 BSE. I left that employer and when I went to another place, a few years later, I installed VM/SP 3. So I want to say that it was: VM/370 Release 1 VM/370 Release 2 VM/370 Release 3 VM/370 Release 4 VM/370 Release 5 VM/370 Release 6 VM/SP 1 VM/SP 2 VM/SP 3 VM/SP 4 VM/SP 5 along with VM/IS 5 and VM/XA Release 1 VM/SP 6 along with VM/IS 6 VM/ESA 370 mode VM/ESA ESA mode I remember BSE (Basic System Extensions), being an option. I don't know if there were other options available or if the option really wasn't optional. IIRC, SEPP BSEPP were optional extensions to VM/370 R6. I think they added stuff like Fullscreen I/O and LDEVs. Also HPO : 4 5 simultaneously with SP 4/5. (there might have been earlier HPOs, but I'm not sure only have worked with HPO 4 5). And the case of the mysteriously disappearing HPO 6 that should have come along with SP 6.. Current (at that time) HPO 5 users received all the HPO 6 manuals only to be told that there would never be an HPO 6 ! We were then told something in the line that HPO 6 *DID* exist, but would never be publicly released (only the U.S. Govt would have access to it). They claim they did this to push VM/XA SP 2.1.. And that the manuals were erroneously shipped ! Which did cause some grief at the shop at was working at that time since VM/XA severly lacked 3270 BSC support Note the list is also missing the VM/XA SF VM/XA SP line of products ;).. But yeah.. I think VM/XA SP1 was with SP 5 and VM/XA SP2 was with SP6 (with a supposedly common version of CMS.. CMS 6.5 ?) --Ivan -- Jim Bohnsack Cornell University (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell jab...@cornell.edu -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
