Re: CICS and z/VM
Too cool for real life apparently. Not archived... We shoud say recycled, reclaimed, reused for stuff like complex networking and security work! Marcy "This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation." -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] CICS and z/VM On Wednesday, 06/23/2010 at 07:03 EDT, Ron Schmiedge wrote: > There was. Announced in 1985 and EOS was Dec 31 1993. Program Product > 5684-011. Wow. Good ol' CICS/VM. I did some testing of CICS/VM R3, ca. 1989, which never saw the light of day. It was a pretty cool product (hey, it used SFS!) and at that time I still remembered how to write CICS applications. Those brain cells have since been archived. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: CICS and z/VM
On 6/23/10 6:51 PM, "Rich Smrcina" wrote: > On 06/23/2010 05:43 PM, Howard Rifkind wrote: >> >> A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS >> being present. There was a CICS/VM about 20 years back that did not require a guest OS, however it was withdrawn ages ago. There are apocryphal stories that it was withdrawn because there were fears in IBM that if such a thing existed, it would somehow hurt CICS sales on the other operating systems. I still have paper manuals for it, and it was very popular with universities in the Higher Ed Software Consortium because it was a lot less difficult to use to teach CICS programming with it, and it was dirt cheap compared to running a VSE or MVS guest. You also could only crash your own virtual machine, instead of screwing up everybody's work... -- db
Re: RSCS in the base VM
As far as I can remember, only the LPR/LPD functions were cost-free. The other RSCS functions (ie, any NJE function, IP SNA or CTC) required a license. The General Info manuals would probably have that information, or you could look at the announcement letters on IBMlink. On 6/23/10 4:33 PM, "Paul Nieman" wrote: > We are running z/VM Version 4.3. What functionality of RSCS was > included in the base at that point? Where can I go to find this? > > Paul Nieman
Re: RSCS in the base VM
On Wednesday, 06/23/2010 at 05:51 EDT, Paul Nieman wrote: > We are running z/VM Version 4.3. What functionality of RSCS was > included in the base at that point? Where can I go to find this? The TCP/IP Planning book contains a chapter on configuring an RSCS print server and tells you what functions are available to you: Async LPR, LPD, and TN3270E printers. It's the same on all releases of RSCS, whether the old stand-alone product or the z/VM feature. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: CICS and z/VM
On Wednesday, 06/23/2010 at 07:03 EDT, Ron Schmiedge wrote: > There was. Announced in 1985 and EOS was Dec 31 1993. Program Product > 5684-011. Wow. Good ol' CICS/VM. I did some testing of CICS/VM R3, ca. 1989, which never saw the light of day. It was a pretty cool product (hey, it used SFS!) and at that time I still remembered how to write CICS applications. Those brain cells have since been archived. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: CICS and z/VM
I worked for a shop "back in the day" that ran a product from Unicorn, that was essentially a CICS emulator for VM. They had a few apps that they had ported over from real CICS. As I recall, the thing was a real pain to get working. It also had a VSAM replacement. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Howard Rifkind wrote: > A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being > present. > > > > I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any > size, shape or form. > > > > I think he is blowing wind. > > > > Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise > where I can find some documentation on this. > > > > Thanks > > -- Jeff Henry
Re: CICS and z/VM
There was a CICS/VM in 1987. You can google "cics/vm" and learn a little bit more. http://www-01.ibm.com/software/htp/cics/35/80s/ IBM killed it before it could gain acceptance. Rumor was that it ran better than it did on MVS :) From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:56 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] CICS and z/VM I would ask him to explain 'with z/OS being present' - and then ask him to explain 'native' ;-) Maybe those words don't mean what he thinks they do or what you think they do? The 'presence' of z/OS seems especially ambiguous in his statement.. what the heck does that mean? Lurking nearby? ;) z/VM can run a z/OS guest, which can run CICS.. there's no 'z/VM CICS' product. Scott Rohling On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Howard Rifkind mailto:vmes...@yahoo.com>> wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: CICS and z/VM
There was. Announced in 1985 and EOS was Dec 31 1993. Program Product 5684-011. It's EOS date was listed in the Licensed Products Migration Matrix for z/VM 5.3 from 2005 on the IBM web site. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Howard Rifkind wrote: > A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS > being present. > > > > I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any > size, shape or form. > > > > I think he is blowing wind. > > > > Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise > where I can find some documentation on this. > > > > Thanks > >
Re: CICS and z/VM
I would ask him to explain 'with z/OS being present' - and then ask him to explain 'native' ;-) Maybe those words don't mean what he thinks they do or what you think they do? The 'presence' of z/OS seems especially ambiguous in his statement.. what the heck does that mean? Lurking nearby? ;) z/VM can run a z/OS guest, which can run CICS.. there's no 'z/VM CICS' product. Scott Rohling On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Howard Rifkind wrote: > A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being > present. > > > > I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any > size, shape or form. > > > > I think he is blowing wind. > > > > Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise > where I can find some documentation on this. > > > > Thanks > >
Re: CICS and z/VM
Back in the 1980's I recall an IBM product called CICS/VM being available. I'm not sure if it is still around today, nor whether it required a z/OS guest - try Googling or searching ibm.com. -Mike From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: CICS and z/VM A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: CICS and z/VM
Maybe he saw the size of a machine where CICS was running under VSE and thought, because of the size difference when compared to what z/OS needs, it was CICS that had been IPLed. :-) There are some CICS SVCs. It might be necessary to IPL z/OS when they are changed. Maybe he was confusing an IPL for CICS with an IPL of CICS. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: CICS and z/VM A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: CICS and z/VM
CICS can run as a started task under z/OS or as a long running job under z/VSE. But there is no native implementation of CICS for VM (at least not any longer :( ) On 06/23/2010 05:43 PM, Howard Rifkind wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 - April 15-19, 2011 Colorado Springs, CO
CICS and z/VM
A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: RSCS in the base VM
On 06/23/2010 03:33 PM, Paul Nieman wrote: We are running z/VM Version 4.3. What functionality of RSCS was included in the base at that point? Where can I go to find this? Paul Nieman General Information or Program Directory. -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 - April 15-19, 2011 Colorado Springs, CO
RSCS in the base VM
We are running z/VM Version 4.3. What functionality of RSCS was included in the base at that point? Where can I go to find this? Paul Nieman
New z/VM Red Alert to be posted today
Hello, A new z/VM Red Alert will be posted tonight at: http://www.vm.ibm.com/service/redalert/ June 2010 VM64793 provides support for the protected-key CP Crypto Assist Functions (CPACF) available on the IBM System z10 processors. Guest support is provided such that guests may execute the new protected-key CPACF functions. In order to exploit this new function, customers who install PTF for APAR VM64793 will also need to install supporting microcode on IBM z10 processors running at DR76 or DR79. Without the microcode support, you will not be able to initialize the guest Coupling System. Users Affected: All z/VM customers running guest coupling support when they have both a z10 and the PTF for APAR VM64793. Before the PTF for APAR VM64793 is applied to z/VM 5.4 or 6.1, the following z10 MCLs must be applied and activated: · CFCC EC N24403 MCL006 for driver 79 · CFCC EC N10964 MCL015 for driver 76 Thanks, Keri Borrego z/VM Development
Re: DIRMAINT /RACF adduser error
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Re: Shared fcp with two linuxguests
Rick, We checked into NPIV support within Redhat. Apparently releases prior to R5 did not support NPIV as shipped, but according to Redhat NPIV is supported in R5. We are at R5.4. We are checking to see if there might be some Redhat configuration that must be performed to support NPIV. Thank you, Bob -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Troth Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 1:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Shared fcp with two linuxguests I THINK (though am not sure, and do NOT understand why) that the FCP driver in Linux must support NPIV, so check if your RH release has NPIV support for FCP. -- R; <>< On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:53, Robert J McCarthy wrote: > Rick, > Thank you for the quick response. We did receive the "busy" message in > additions to the "erp failed" message when I had both linux guests defined to > the same channel path. When using different channel paths the "busy" message > went away. As far as NPIV, we have NPIV turned on at the Brocade switch > level, but it is not turned on at the zVM lpar level. We just tried the same > fcp setup with two linux guests running SUSE10SP2 on the same vm lpar. It > works without errors under SUSE linux. So it looks like the problem is with > Redhat linux. We are going to research that avenue next. > Thank you, Bob > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] > On Behalf Of Richard Troth > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:26 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Shared fcp with two linuxguests > > For the problem you describe, I would expect a specific "busy" message. > >> tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on >> port >> 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 > > In any case, are you using a shared physical FCP adapter? You'll then also > need NPIV. > > Without NPIV, a single physical FCP adapter presents one WWPN to the SAN, for > all LPARs using it and for all subchannels on it. With NPIV, you get a > different (virtual) WWPN for each subchannel on each LPAR. > > If you DO have NPIV in place, then check that the storage is zoned and mapped > to both (virtual) WWPNs (per path), one for each of the guests. > Probably obvious to you, so no offense, but it's easy to miss. > > -- Rick; <>< > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:13, Robert J McCarthy > wrote: >> We are planning to set up an Oracle RAC environment with two linux >> guests on the same vm lpar. They will be accessing the same fcp disk. >> The problem that we are having is as as follows: >> The 1st guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command displays all of the >> expected information including the WWPN and lun of the san. >> The 2nd guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command will show the WWPN of >> the san, but not the lun information for the san. The following error >> is also found in the linux log >> tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on >> port >> 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 >> We are running zVM 5.4 and Redhat 5.4 of linux. The fcp disks are >> assigned a separate channel path for each guest through DEDICATE >> statements in VM. Any ideas ? >> Thank you, Bob >> >
Re: Shared fcp with two linuxguests
I THINK (though am not sure, and do NOT understand why) that the FCP driver in Linux must support NPIV, so check if your RH release has NPIV support for FCP. -- R; <>< On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 12:53, Robert J McCarthy wrote: > Rick, > Thank you for the quick response. We did receive the "busy" message in > additions to the "erp failed" message when I had both linux guests defined to > the same channel path. When using different channel paths the "busy" message > went away. As far as NPIV, we have NPIV turned on at the Brocade switch > level, but it is not turned on at the zVM lpar level. We just tried the same > fcp setup with two linux guests running SUSE10SP2 on the same vm lpar. It > works without errors under SUSE linux. So it looks like the problem is with > Redhat linux. We are going to research that avenue next. > Thank you, Bob > > -Original Message- > From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On > Behalf Of Richard Troth > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:26 PM > To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU > Subject: Re: Shared fcp with two linuxguests > > For the problem you describe, I would expect a specific "busy" message. > >> tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on >> port >> 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 > > In any case, are you using a shared physical FCP adapter? You'll then also > need NPIV. > > Without NPIV, a single physical FCP adapter presents one WWPN to the SAN, for > all LPARs using it and for all subchannels on it. With NPIV, you get a > different (virtual) WWPN for each subchannel on each LPAR. > > If you DO have NPIV in place, then check that the storage is zoned and mapped > to both (virtual) WWPNs (per path), one for each of the guests. > Probably obvious to you, so no offense, but it's easy to miss. > > -- Rick; <>< > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:13, Robert J McCarthy > wrote: >> We are planning to set up an Oracle RAC environment with two linux >> guests on the same vm lpar. They will be accessing the same fcp disk. >> The problem that we are having is as as follows: >> The 1st guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command displays all of the >> expected information including the WWPN and lun of the san. >> The 2nd guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command will show the WWPN of >> the san, but not the lun information for the san. The following error >> is also found in the linux log >> tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on >> port >> 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 >> We are running zVM 5.4 and Redhat 5.4 of linux. The fcp disks are >> assigned a separate channel path for each guest through DEDICATE >> statements in VM. Any ideas ? >> Thank you, Bob >> >
Re: Shared fcp with two linuxguests
Rick, Thank you for the quick response. We did receive the "busy" message in additions to the "erp failed" message when I had both linux guests defined to the same channel path. When using different channel paths the "busy" message went away. As far as NPIV, we have NPIV turned on at the Brocade switch level, but it is not turned on at the zVM lpar level. We just tried the same fcp setup with two linux guests running SUSE10SP2 on the same vm lpar. It works without errors under SUSE linux. So it looks like the problem is with Redhat linux. We are going to research that avenue next. Thank you, Bob -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Richard Troth Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 12:26 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Shared fcp with two linuxguests For the problem you describe, I would expect a specific "busy" message. > tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on > port > 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 In any case, are you using a shared physical FCP adapter? You'll then also need NPIV. Without NPIV, a single physical FCP adapter presents one WWPN to the SAN, for all LPARs using it and for all subchannels on it. With NPIV, you get a different (virtual) WWPN for each subchannel on each LPAR. If you DO have NPIV in place, then check that the storage is zoned and mapped to both (virtual) WWPNs (per path), one for each of the guests. Probably obvious to you, so no offense, but it's easy to miss. -- Rick; <>< On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:13, Robert J McCarthy wrote: > We are planning to set up an Oracle RAC environment with two linux > guests on the same vm lpar. They will be accessing the same fcp disk. > The problem that we are having is as as follows: > The 1st guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command displays all of the > expected information including the WWPN and lun of the san. > The 2nd guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command will show the WWPN of > the san, but not the lun information for the san. The following error > is also found in the linux log > tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on > port > 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 > We are running zVM 5.4 and Redhat 5.4 of linux. The fcp disks are > assigned a separate channel path for each guest through DEDICATE > statements in VM. Any ideas ? > Thank you, Bob >
Re: Shared fcp with two linuxguests
For the problem you describe, I would expect a specific "busy" message. > tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on port > 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 In any case, are you using a shared physical FCP adapter? You'll then also need NPIV. Without NPIV, a single physical FCP adapter presents one WWPN to the SAN, for all LPARs using it and for all subchannels on it. With NPIV, you get a different (virtual) WWPN for each subchannel on each LPAR. If you DO have NPIV in place, then check that the storage is zoned and mapped to both (virtual) WWPNs (per path), one for each of the guests. Probably obvious to you, so no offense, but it's easy to miss. -- Rick; <>< On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:13, Robert J McCarthy wrote: > We are planning to set up an Oracle RAC environment with two linux guests > on the same vm lpar. They will be accessing the same fcp disk. The problem > that we are having is as as follows: > The 1st guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command displays all of the > expected information including the WWPN and lun of the san. > The 2nd guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command will show the WWPN of the > san, but not the lun information for the san. The following error is also > found in the linux log > tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on port > 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 > We are running zVM 5.4 and Redhat 5.4 of linux. The fcp disks are > assigned a separate channel path for each guest through DEDICATE statements > in VM. Any ideas ? > Thank you, Bob >
MVSCPCMD - Issue CP commands from z/OS guests
I have updated the web site with information on how to assemble and link this program with some sample JCL. http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/mvscpcmd.html
Shared fcp with two linuxguests
We are planning to set up an Oracle RAC environment with two linux guests on the same vm lpar. They will be accessing the same fcp disk. The proble m that we are having is as as follows: The 1st guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command displays all of the expected information including the WWPN and lun of the san. The 2nd guest is booted. An "lszfcp -D" command will show the WWPN of the san, but not the lun information for the san. The following error is also found in the linux log tdcrac02 kernel: zfcp: unit erp failed on unit 0x0020 on port 0x5001738001820141 on adapter 0.0.8001 We are running zVM 5.4 and Redhat 5.4 of linux. The fcp disks are assigned a separate channel path for each guest through DEDICATE statemen ts in VM. Any ideas ? Thank you,Bob
Re: Tool to DDR tape to CMS file
As part of the Hercules community, there are tape/awsfile conversion programs. They are in the files area of the H390-VM group on Yahoo. TAPECONV fn ft fm - will read tape on 0181 and write data to fn ft fm AWS2TAPE fn ft fm - will read file fn ft fm and write it to tape on 0181 The CMS file is in AWS format. It can be downloaded to a PC and used with by Hercules running VM/370 R6. /Tom Kern On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 16:55:01 +0300, Nikolai Dorozhko wr ote: >Hello VMers, > >I had participated the list some years ago.. And now should return to V M >again... We should archive our disks/ tapes to PC storage.. > >I used the package CMSDDR to archive disks.. But CMSDDR does not co py >tape to CMS file. > >Maybe somebody had the same problem and can advise tool/procedure/tric k >to create CMS file from multiple tape files (till EOV) ? > >Thank you in advance. > >Nikolai Dorozhko >IBA, Minsk, Belarus >Tel. [375] (17) 217-33-33 * 5710 >e-mail: doros...@iba.by > >
Tool to DDR tape to CMS file
Hello VMers, I had participated the list some years ago.. And now should return to VM again... We should archive our disks/ tapes to PC storage.. I used the package CMSDDR to archive disks.. But CMSDDR does not copy tape to CMS file. Maybe somebody had the same problem and can advise tool/procedure/trick to create CMS file from multiple tape files (till EOV) ? Thank you in advance. Nikolai Dorozhko IBA, Minsk, Belarus Tel. [375] (17) 217-33-33 * 5710 e-mail: doros...@iba.by
Re: Issuing VM commands from z/OS...
> I know that I can do this easily from z/VSE, but what about z/OS? Frank: Get my MVSCPCMD package from http://www.vm.ibm.com/devpages/jelliott/mvscpcmd.html Jim
