Re: New standard for networking help
If you choose to create an EXEC like the one Neale proposed to capture all of the information about your system, you may want to separate the output into multiple files. The output from the CP Query ALL and the set of user commands can be very large. You should consider how many devices are attached to your VM system (One of our systems has more than 12,000 DASD devices.) and how many users are logged on (We have LPARs that host Linux guests that have more than 150 user-ids logged on.). The rest of the list is manageable in a single file. Rick Barlow Nationwide Insurance
Re: New standard for networking help
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: Bottom line, it enabled me to discover the problem in about 5 minutes - the NATIVE and default VLAN on DEFINE VSWITCH had the same value. With so many people getting excited, I feel un irresitable urge to assume my position on the peanut gallery this Friday afternoon... Well that may be true, but at what expense for the customer? From my current position, I obviously welcome any effort the customer is willing to put in to increase my efficiency and improve the quality of my response. And I do expect that most of those 17 pages was their normal documentation that they maintain for the system anyway. But one should ask how long that customer has been fighting the problem to make them think it required such extensive documentation. And if it only took you 5 minutes to browse those 17 pages (certainly not read it all) and find the cause and post to the mailing list, is it clear enough in the books to prevent the problem from happening. But in a former life as customer, I soon realized that vendors were asking for extensive documentation and experiments only to buy time (so once you had things collected, they could tell you that you have a really old level and could you try with the latest version). An automated program to generate such documentation with no effort - or worse, even before the vendor asks for it - really defeats the purpose... :-) Seriously, I doubt such a tell me all you know program will improve things. Especially since it only shows what the customer defined, not what he meant to define or should have defined. Much of what you can collect just is not needed in most cases. Like in this case, having the Rick's list of 16,000 volumes would not have made Alan's task any easier (depending on the layout of that list, he would have told us 285 pages of documentation to be the norm :-) Don't get me wrong. I do value some kind of standard form or checklist for each specific problem area. But I would focus on the 10% of the information that resolves 90% of the questions. My experience is that 3 questions is about the maximum you can do (beyond that, people seem to think it's multiple choice and they answer just one or two of them :-) | Rob
Re: New standard for networking help
Hello Everyone, I have been following this conversation with great interest. I like Rob have been on both sides of Conversation. Now I am the customer with the documentation. Having good documentation helps everyone involved, and good change management (of some sort) helps debug issues. I have noticed that I always have 'Almost' enough information, but it is 'you need a little more'. (I hope that I never caused that much problem for my customers but) Is there a check list that we could come up with that would be a standard, short list of documentation? Or is this just a pipe dream? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:55 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New standard for networking help On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: Bottom line, it enabled me to discover the problem in about 5 minutes - the NATIVE and default VLAN on DEFINE VSWITCH had the same value. With so many people getting excited, I feel un irresitable urge to assume my position on the peanut gallery this Friday afternoon... Well that may be true, but at what expense for the customer? From my current position, I obviously welcome any effort the customer is willing to put in to increase my efficiency and improve the quality of my response. And I do expect that most of those 17 pages was their normal documentation that they maintain for the system anyway. But one should ask how long that customer has been fighting the problem to make them think it required such extensive documentation. And if it only took you 5 minutes to browse those 17 pages (certainly not read it all) and find the cause and post to the mailing list, is it clear enough in the books to prevent the problem from happening. But in a former life as customer, I soon realized that vendors were asking for extensive documentation and experiments only to buy time (so once you had things collected, they could tell you that you have a really old level and could you try with the latest version). An automated program to generate such documentation with no effort - or worse, even before the vendor asks for it - really defeats the purpose... :-) Seriously, I doubt such a tell me all you know program will improve things. Especially since it only shows what the customer defined, not what he meant to define or should have defined. Much of what you can collect just is not needed in most cases. Like in this case, having the Rick's list of 16,000 volumes would not have made Alan's task any easier (depending on the layout of that list, he would have told us 285 pages of documentation to be the norm :-) Don't get me wrong. I do value some kind of standard form or checklist for each specific problem area. But I would focus on the 10% of the information that resolves 90% of the questions. My experience is that 3 questions is about the maximum you can do (beyond that, people seem to think it's multiple choice and they answer just one or two of them :-) | Rob
Re: New standard for networking help
On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Edward M Martin emar...@aultman.com wrote: Having good documentation helps everyone involved, and good change management (of some sort) helps debug issues. Haha. For those without proper change management, when they tell you nothing changed it sometimes helps to ask what do you think someone else might have changed to cause this difference :-) | Rob
CP soft abend code NTF001
I need to call upon the collected wisdom of the group.I'm stumped I have a CMS module, coded in assembler, that, when run, causes a NTF001 soft abend when run from one virtual machine, but when run from another virtual machine it runs normally. Both virtual machines are set to XA, both have the same amount of virtual storage defined, both have the same set of options set, and NUCXMAP shows the same nucleus contents in both. What have I overlooked? Thanks and have a good weekend. DJ
Re: CP soft abend code NTF001
*NTF001 Explanation: (soft) HCPNTF called another module and received an unexpected return code or condition code. User response: Determine the error that caused the abend by examining the return code in R15 or the condition code of the last entry point called. If you are unable to resolve the problem, see z/VM: Diagnosis Guide for information on gathering the documentation you need to assist IBM in diagnosing the problem; then contact your IBM support personnel.* So I guess you'd have to use DUMPLOAD and VMDUMPTL to see what happened. 2010/7/23 dave d...@vsoft-software.com I need to call upon the collected wisdom of the group.I'm stumped I have a CMS module, coded in assembler, that, when run, causes a NTF001 soft abend when run from one virtual machine, but when run from another virtual machine it runs normally. Both virtual machines are set to XA, both have the same amount of virtual storage defined, both have the same set of options set, and NUCXMAP shows the same nucleus contents in both. What have I overlooked? Thanks and have a good weekend. DJ -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: CP soft abend code NTF001
HCPNTF's job is documented as: DESCRIPTIVE NAME - NSS/SAVED SEGMENT FIND UTILITIES The NFT001 was issued when HCPNTF called an external routine, and received an unexpected return code. Question is: which external routine was called, and what return code did it return? I'm making a SWAG that you're working on your SFB utility. Could it be that SFB restored an SDF in some malformed way, causing the NTF001 soft abend? If VMDUMPTL doesn't provide a clue, then perhaps a trace of HCPNTF in a 2nd level system would shine a light in the source of the problem? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. dave d...@vsoft-software.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 07/23/2010 09:28 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject CP soft abend code NTF001 I need to call upon the collected wisdom of the group.I'm stumped I have a CMS module, coded in assembler, that, when run, causes a NTF001 soft abend when run from one virtual machine, but when run from another virtual machine it runs normally. Both virtual machines are set to XA, both have the same amount of virtual storage defined, both have the same set of options set, and NUCXMAP shows the same nucleus contents in both. What have I overlooked? Thanks and have a good weekend. DJ The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: CP soft abend code NTF001
On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 10:29 EDT, dave d...@vsoft-software.com wrote: I have a CMS module, coded in assembler, that, when run, causes a NTF001 soft abend when run from one virtual machine, but when run from another virtual machine it runs normally. Both virtual machines are set to XA, both have the same amount of virtual storage defined, both have the same set of options set, and NUCXMAP shows the same nucleus contents in both. What have I overlooked? It doesn't have anything to do with CMS, per se. Would it help to know that HCPNTF is involved in locating and reading a DCSS or NSS? That would seem to lead me to the conclusion that something is changing a spool file or queue without proper serialization. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Question to about SFTP
Hello Everyone, This is a question about the 'other' IBM OS.I am hoping that you all will know this answer. Does z/OS have TCP/IP as part of the base system, and does z/OS have SFTP too? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050
Re: Question to about SFTP
Yes, and yes. FTP/TLS is part of TCP/IP. sftp is a component of OpenSSH, which comes as part of Ported Tools. Mark Wheeler UnitedHealth Group Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:20:52 -0400 From: emar...@aultman.com Subject: Question to about SFTP To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Hello Everyone, This is a question about the ‘other’ IBM OS.I am hoping that you all will know this answer. Does z/OS have TCP/IP as part of the base system, and does z/OS have SFTP too? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3
Re: Question to about SFTP
Hello Mark and Catherine, Thank you. I saw the Ported Tools on Google but I was not sure what is considered base. Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Wheeler Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 11:37 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Question to about SFTP Yes, and yes. FTP/TLS is part of TCP/IP. sftp is a component of OpenSSH, which comes as part of Ported Tools. Mark Wheeler UnitedHealth Group Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:20:52 -0400 From: emar...@aultman.com Subject: Question to about SFTP To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Hello Everyone, This is a question about the 'other' IBM OS.I am hoping that you all will know this answer. Does z/OS have TCP/IP as part of the base system, and does z/OS have SFTP too? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050 The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL :ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3
Re: Question to about SFTP
TCP/IP is part of z/OS Communications Server (nee VTAM). It is not a part of the base z/OS. It is a charge feature of z/OS. sftp is available for z/OS, but must be ordered. It is part of the OpenSSH port ( 5655-M23). It is free. This version of sftp only support z/OS UNIX files. There in an OEM enhancement from Dovetailed Technologies which allows transferring of legacy datasets via sftp. This enhancement costs $0.00 and can be downloaded from http://dovetail.com . I strongly suggest getting this, along with the Co:Z utilities which are also gratis. If desired, you can purchase support for these products from Dovetailed. They are excellent people! John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 10:21 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Question to about SFTP Hello Everyone, This is a question about the 'other' IBM OS.I am hoping that you all will know this answer. Does z/OS have TCP/IP as part of the base system, and does z/OS have SFTP too? Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050
Re: New standard for networking help
And the problem goes away when they don't do anything to fix the problem that they didn't cause by not changing anything. Regards, Richard Schuh -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Rob van der Heij Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 6:50 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: New standard for networking help On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Edward M Martin emar...@aultman.com wrote: Having good documentation helps everyone involved, and good change management (of some sort) helps debug issues. Haha. For those without proper change management, when they tell you nothing changed it sometimes helps to ask what do you think someone else might have changed to cause this difference :-) | Rob
Re: Question to about SFTP
On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 11:33 EDT, Edward M Martin emar...@aultman.com wrote: Hello Everyone, This is a question about the ?other? IBM OS.I am hoping that you all will know this answer. Does z/OS have TCP/IP as part of the base system, and does z/OS have SFTP too? IBM-MAIN is where the z/OS folks hang out. Yes, TCP/IP is part of z/OS base. ssh and sftp are not in the base, but are part of IBM Ported Tools. Note: you can't use sftp to transfer MVS datasets**. If you want dataset support you need to get a commercial ssh offering. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott ** Wow. Something CMS does that MVS doesn't. A posix file id of the form //filename.filetype.filemode gets you out of BFS and into the traditional CMS filesystem. We bad, we bad
Re: CP soft abend code NTF001
Many thanks, guys.your suggestions have gotten me on the right track now, I think. There does appear to be a problem (error) with a DCSS file that this particular vendor product uses. When I go to back up the DCSS in question I get this (from MAINT): Ready; T=0.01/0.01 10:Ready; T=0.01/0.01 10:49:16 dcssbkup xx HCPABN9300E A system soft abend NTF001 has occurred on CPU and the virtual CPU has been put into stopped state. (I've changed the DCSS name to protect the vendor, which might not be a fault here.) This is exactly the same soft abend I see when I try to run the module. I'm going to see if I can't simply purge this DCSS and rebuild it from scratch. Thanks again for the help, appreciate it. DJ - Original Message - From: Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: CP soft abend code NTF001 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:30:48 -0400 On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 10:29 EDT, dave d...@vsoft-software.com wrote: I have a CMS module, coded in assembler, that, when run, causes a NTF001 soft abend when run from one virtual machine, but when run from another virtual machine it runs normally. Both virtual machines are set to XA, both have the same amount of virtual storage defined, both have the same set of options set, and NUCXMAP shows the same nucleus contents in both. What have I overlooked? It doesn't have anything to do with CMS, per se. Would it help to know that HCPNTF is involved in locating and reading a DCSS or NSS? That would seem to lead me to the conclusion that something is changing a spool file or queue without proper serialization. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: CP soft abend code NTF001
OK, problem solvedit was a bad DCSS file. I purged it, and now the module starts and runs as it should. I'm working now with the vendor to see how I can recreate the DCSS. Thanks again. DJ - Original Message - From: Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: CP soft abend code NTF001 Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 11:30:48 -0400 On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 10:29 EDT, dave d...@vsoft-software.com wrote: I have a CMS module, coded in assembler, that, when run, causes a NTF001 soft abend when run from one virtual machine, but when run from another virtual machine it runs normally. Both virtual machines are set to XA, both have the same amount of virtual storage defined, both have the same set of options set, and NUCXMAP shows the same nucleus contents in both. What have I overlooked? It doesn't have anything to do with CMS, per se. Would it help to know that HCPNTF is involved in locating and reading a DCSS or NSS? That would seem to lead me to the conclusion that something is changing a spool file or queue without proper serialization. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: Question to about SFTP
William 'Doug' Carroll snip Note: you can't use sftp to transfer MVS datasets**. If you want dataset support you need to get a commercial ssh offering. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott /snip you can transfer them it just takes an extra step. copy to OMVS first then send. works here. the commercial offering make it easier but it can be done. This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to European legal entities.
Re: InfoZIP ZIP/UNZIP: Updating the VM/CMS port
I hope that a port will save/restore the file dates. One of the reasons I didn't like an old CMS ZIP version was that it didn't preserve the file dates. 2010/7/23 Dave Jones d...@vsoft-software.com Hi, Al. I can get you access to a z/VM system with z/VM C/C++ installed, gratis. Drop me a note off-list if you'd like further details. Good luck with the port and have a good one, too. DJ On 07/22/2010 11:56 AM, Dunsmuir, Allan wrote: On Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:21:45 -0700, Les Koehler wrote: I've seen a post that says the output of the C compiler on Z/OS is compatible with what VM needs. If the systems are connected, as I would hope, then no extra fees are involved. Les, There are two reasons: 1) I believe that I would be missing the VM-specific headers, execs and related utilities, unless those are part of the CMS base (LE). 2) The VM compiler is the indeed z/OS XL C/C++ 1.9 Compiler set up to execute on VM/CMS. All of the compiler-supplied preprocessor symbols used to control the building of the code for the various ports is set at compiler runtime, based on where the _compiler_ is being executed. On z/OS, it identifies the platform as __MVS__. On VM/CMS, it identifies the platform as __VM__. You can override that by creating an outer source file and using #undef/#define to redefine the symbols. I intend to set up that so I can do test builds on z/OS for VM/CMS syntax validation, but that is a hack not suitable for production builds. Al Dunsmuir -Sr. TSA, RBC. Developer - RBDM ___ This e-mail may be privileged and/or confidential, and the sender does not waive any related rights and obligations. Any distribution, use or copying of this e-mail or the information it contains by other than an intended recipient is unauthorized. If you received this e-mail in error, please advise me (by return e-mail or otherwise) immediately. Ce courriel peut contenir des renseignements protégés et confidentiels. L’expéditeur ne renonce pas aux droits et obligations qui s’y rapportent. Toute diffusion, utilisation ou copie de ce courriel ou des renseignements qu’il contient par une personne autre que le destinataire désigné est interdite. Si vous recevez ce courriel par erreur, veuillez m’en aviser immédiatement, par retour de courriel ou par un autre moyen. -- Dave Jones V/Soft www.vsoft-software.com Houston, TX 281.578.7544 -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
zVM 5.3 and zVM 5.4 system volumes (xx0RES, xx0SPL and xx0PAG) and TDMF
Our service provider is using TDMF to change from Hitachi to Shark. There should not be any problems IPLing zVM 5.3 or 5.4, right ?
Re: InfoZIP ZIP/UNZIP: Updating the VM/CMS port
On Thursday, July 22, 2010, 8:28:47 PM, Dave Jones wrote: Hi, Al. I can get you access to a z/VM system with z/VM C/C++ installed, gratis. Drop me a note off-list if you'd like further details. Thank you Dave - your assistance is _greatly_ appreciated. I'll send you a note from my work account. I gave up trying to follow IBMVM from there, as I can't seem to get the LISTSERV to work with the password I set up via the web. It sends me the password change EMail, but then refuses to let me look at archive or post from the website. C'est la vie. Good luck with the port and have a good one, too. Please drop by the InfoZIP forum. I'm interested in finding out about known bugs and limitations with the existing VM/CMS port. I also need opinions from folks who are actively using VM these days - the last time I was actively programming for that platform was about 1998. One question I would like to see discussed over there is whether anyone needs BFS (very easy, should be able to use the z/OS USS code) or SFS file support. Thanks again, Al
Re: zVM 5.3 and zVM 5.4 system volumes (xx0RES, xx0SPL and xx0PAG) and TDMF
We have used TDMF (from z/OS) to move z/VM DASD with no problems. Naturally the z/VM system(s) are down during the move. The length of the down time will depend on how much DASD is to be moved and how many TDMF tasks you run at one time. Paul Feller AIT Mainframe Technical Support From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Daniel Allen Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 1:30 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: zVM 5.3 and zVM 5.4 system volumes (xx0RES, xx0SPL and xx0PAG) and TDMF Our service provider is using TDMF to change from Hitachi to Shark. There should not be any problems IPLing zVM 5.3 or 5.4, right ?
zVM Performance Toolkit: Can I record/report CPU by userid using 10 minutes interval?
Good day, I am trying to do something that seems to me a good challenge to do with z/VM performance toolkit. The end result that I want to have is a set of records for a selected number of userids. Each record would be for a 10 minutes interval. format: mmdd hhmm userid cpusec That means I would create 24 x 6 = 144 records per day per virtual machine. Accumulating that over many months, I can load that data in my favorite spreadsheet and do all kind of numerical analysis. I am trying to use z/VM Performance Toolkit to help me to do that and I am stuck! The best I could do was to use plotvar with trend files. However, that is too much aggregated for my need. I welcome your suggestions. Michel Beaulieu Montreal, Canada
Re: zVM Performance Toolkit: Can I record/report CPU by userid using 10 minutes interval?
I'm working on such a tool for some of my customers: it analyses PTK's Extended Summary files and you can then extract whatever you want (CPU, page rate, IO rate). But, my tool is meant to make GDDM graphics from it (requires GDDM/REXX). Creating a CSV file is an option I want to provide too. If you would have used my PRFGUI tool, you know what to expect. Anyhow, you could extract some code from the REXX code I use and save the created numbers in some other file. I've almost ready something I call version 0.8. You want to have a look? You can use CMS Pipelines? Another alternative: have PTK create a Trend record every 10 minutes (FC MONCOLL RESET), but that would result in huge FCXTREND files. But, PTK allows you to make graphs from it. 2010/7/23 Michel Beaulieu beaulieumic...@live.ca Good day, I am trying to do something that seems to me a good challenge to do with z/VM performance toolkit. The end result that I want to have is a set of records for a selected number of userids. Each record would be for a 10 minutes interval. format: mmdd hhmm userid cpusec That means I would create 24 x 6 = 144 records per day per virtual machine. Accumulating that over many months, I can load that data in my favorite spreadsheet and do all kind of numerical analysis. I am trying to use z/VM Performance Toolkit to help me to do that and I am stuck! The best I could do was to use plotvar with trend files. However, that is too much aggregated for my need. I welcome your suggestions. Michel Beaulieu Montreal, Canada -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: InfoZIP ZIP/UNZIP: Updating the VM/CMS port
On Thursday, July 22, 2010, 5:06:08 PM, Fran Hensler wrote: I have a version of VM INFO-ZIP dated from 1998 on my VM download site: http://zvm.sru.edu/~download If there is a later version available for Vm I would like to put it on my download site. Fran, It looks like the old VM/CMS port is no longer available from www.infozip.org or the new SourceForge web page. When I have my initial changes integrated and a workable VM/CMS build available I will be making it available from SourceForge along with the other InfoZIP betas. Once it gets to the point of release, I have no issues with making it available on your site. I would just request pointers to the main InfoZIP sites (forum and SourceForge) be there too so folks know where to go to report issues or request features. Al
SFTP versus FTPS
Hello Everyone, Ok I need some comments and guidance. FTP using the SSH is not what we want, I believe. We want FTP/SSL or FTPS (implicit SSL). Which from my earlier question about FTP and TCP/IP on z/OS is not in the BASE TCP/IP suite. Alan this statement would this be the part of the IBM PORTED Tools that you are talking about (see below). If it is then, That would SFTP and not the FTP/SSL (FTPS) that we require. TCP/IP is part of z/OS Communications Server (nee VTAM). It is not a part of the base z/OS. It is a charge feature of z/OS. sftp is available for z/OS, but must be ordered. It is part of the OpenSSH port ( 5655-M23). It is free. This version of sftp only support z/OS UNIX files. (It is amazing that the simple definition of SFTP versus FTPS can cause me so much grief on a Friday afternoon at 16:20. And I am leaving so expect a late response.) Here is the Wikipedia definitions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SFTP I think that I am getting confused with SecureFTP for VSE (CSI's product and the one we want) which by definition is FTPS. FTP using SSL and TLS. Plus I have some Opie that indicates that they want SFTP and . SFTP, for our purposes here at name removed , is for Implicit SSL connections. FTPS, is for SSH connections which we don't accept at all in fact. FTPS that matches what I have in WS_FTP PRO. This is what WS-FTP has Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050
Re: InfoZIP ZIP/UNZIP: Updating the VM/CMS port
On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 03:41 EDT, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: One question I would like to see discussed over there is whether anyone needs BFS (very easy, should be able to use the z/OS USS code) or SFS file support. In CMS, if you support BFS, then you also support the minidisk/SFS filesystem. A POSIX file id of the form //fn.ft.fm can be used to exit out of BFS and onto an accessed disk/directory. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: InfoZIP ZIP/UNZIP: Updating the VM/CMS port
Hello Thomas, On Thursday, July 22, 2010, 1:57:45 PM, Thomas wrote: Or you might try the ported GCC compiler. http://gccmvs.sourceforge.net/ /Tom Kern Tom, While I may check this out just for my general knowledge, it would not be fully interchangable with the z/VM XL C/C++ compiler. Dave Jones has made the kind offer of access to z/VM and the compiler so I should be good to go. Remember that volunteers, opinions, folks with experience with the old port and zip/unzip requirements are welcome to wander over to the InfoZIP forum and provide their insight. Al
Re: SFTP versus FTPS
FTPS, which is FTP over TLS (SSL), is a part of z/OS TCPIP as delivered by IBM. John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Edward M Martin Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 3:39 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: SFTP versus FTPS Hello Everyone, Ok I need some comments and guidance. FTP using the SSH is not what we want, I believe. We want FTP/SSL or FTPS (implicit SSL). Which from my earlier question about FTP and TCP/IP on z/OS is not in the BASE TCP/IP suite. Alan this statement would this be the part of the IBM PORTED Tools that you are talking about (see below). If it is then, That would SFTP and not the FTP/SSL (FTPS) that we require. TCP/IP is part of z/OS Communications Server (nee VTAM). It is not a part of the base z/OS. It is a charge feature of z/OS. sftp is available for z/OS, but must be ordered. It is part of the OpenSSH port ( 5655-M23). It is free. This version of sftp only support z/OS UNIX files. (It is amazing that the simple definition of SFTP versus FTPS can cause me so much grief on a Friday afternoon at 16:20. And I am leaving so expect a late response.) Here is the Wikipedia definitions. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SFTP I think that I am getting confused with SecureFTP for VSE (CSI's product and the one we want) which by definition is FTPS. FTP using SSL and TLS. Plus I have some Opie that indicates that they want SFTP and . SFTP, for our purposes here at name removed , is for Implicit SSL connections. FTPS, is for SSH connections which we don't accept at all in fact. FTPS that matches what I have in WS_FTP PRO. This is what WS-FTP has [cid:image002.png@01CB2A82.442DABF0] [cid:image003.png@01CB2A82.599BD110] Ed Martin Aultman Health Foundation 330-363-5050 ext 35050
Re: InfoZIP ZIP/UNZIP: Updating the VM/CMS port
On Friday, July 23, 2010, 4:42:51 PM, Alan wrote: On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 03:41 EDT, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: One question I would like to see discussed over there is whether anyone needs BFS (very easy, should be able to use the z/OS USS code) or SFS file support. In CMS, if you support BFS, then you also support the minidisk/SFS filesystem. A POSIX file id of the form //fn.ft.fm can be used to exit out of BFS and onto an accessed disk/directory. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott The good news is that is the same escape that identifies non-POSIX MVS files on z/OS. I see this being able to be a lot of common code. It sounds like native-CMS and BFS should be straight forward. I still have no idea about SFS files (will have to spend some time reading the online docs). Support for those will likely come later (and will certainly need assistance for testing, as we don't use them). As always, help and advice on this and other issues/concerns that users have would be very much appreciated. It is best to do so over in the InfoZIP forum, as I'm likely to not be following this mailing very religeously. You likely want to monitor (and hopefully participate in) some of the discussions that we're having re how to map files names between the long UNIX-style names and the restrictive native MVS and CMS file names. Actually, CMS native looks a lot like PC DOS with a slightly longer file type, so that may not be as weird as MVS [GRIN]. Thanks again! Al
Re: SFTP versus FTPS
On 7/23/2010 at 04:39 PM, Edward M Martin emar...@aultman.com wrote: Plus I have some Opie that indicates that they want SFTP and . SFTP, for our purposes here at name removed , is for Implicit SSL connections. FTPS, is for SSH connections which we don't accept at all in fact. They've got that exactly backward. FTPS has no relationship to SSH at all. sftp is the command included with OpenSSH. Mark Post
Re: InfoZIP ZIP/UNZIP: Updating the VM/CMS port
On Friday, July 23, 2010, 1:07:41 PM, Kris Buelens wrote: I hope that a port will save/restore the file dates. One of the reasons I didn't like an old CMS ZIP version was that it didn't preserve the file dates. Kris, Good to know, and I suspect very easy to solve with either a system() call or a few quick assembler routines. The MVS port did the minimal support (and was broken when the z/OS USS support was added). For MVS files it did not extract the file creation date from the z/OS catalog (DSCB). It also ignored the PDS ISPF-style date/time stamps. I intend to fix that (and should be able to save/restore the entire ISPF stats for each member). The restore will likely take a small assembler stub. I'm very interested in having folks with knowledge and opinions follow the InfoZIP forum topic I've set up. It also lets the main InfoZIP developers know that VM/CMS users exist. BTW, I'm looking at building options for tab expansion and insertion. This is important for folks on MVS because the ISPF editor doesn't really support the EBCDIC TAB character all that well. I'm not sure about the state of XEDIT's support. As always, comments and suggestions are welcome. Al
Re: SFTP versus FTPS
On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 04:41 EDT, Edward M Martin emar...@aultman.com wrote: Ok I need some comments and guidance. FTP using the SSH is not what we want, I believe. That is called sftp and is what the IBM Ported Tools gives you. We want FTP/SSL or FTPS (implicit SSL). Which from my earlier question about FTP and TCP/IP on z/OS is not in the BASE TCP/IP suite. z/OS *does* include FTP/SSL (via System SSL) and FTPS (via AT-TLS). There may be other FMIDs that have to be installed. I'm not an MVS guru. Alan this statement would this be the part of the IBM PORTED Tools that you are talking about (see below). If it is then, That would SFTP and not the FTP/SSL (FTPS) that we require. TCP/IP is part of z/OS Communications Server (nee VTAM). It is not a part of the base z/OS. It is a charge feature of z/OS. sftp is available for z/OS, but must be ordered. It is part of the OpenSSH port ( 5655-M23). It is free. This version of sftp only support z/OS UNIX files. I don't worry too much about the fact that you can snap out things like RACF and TCP/IP. You really need to talk to your in-house z/OS folks to know what they have/haven't ordered/installed. ?. SFTP, for our purposes here at name removed , is for Implicit SSL connections. FTPS, is for SSH connections which we don?t accept at all in fact. ? Feel free to correct them. SFTP has only one meaning: file transfer using an ssh tunnel. FTPS can be either RFC 4217 (dynamic) or implicit SSL (a la https). Some ftps clients are smart enough to connect in clear-text and find out if the server supports RFC 4217 and, if not, disconnect and reconnect with implicit SSL. But given that a lot of people don't believe or know that FTP is secure (they live in the distant past), they feel free to use sftp and ftps and 'secure ftp' interchangeably. I even saw a web browser incorrectly process an ftp:// URL, using binary transfers for text data, on the bogus assumption that they are the same. Morons. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: InfoZIP ZIP/UNZIP: Updating the VM/CMS port
On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 04:56 EDT, Al Dunsmuir al.dunsm...@sympatico.ca wrote: I still have no idea about SFS files (will have to spend some time reading the online docs). Support for those will likely come later (and will certainly need assistance for testing, as we don't use them). To the extent that SFS directories are usually accessed as a filemode, you have some support already. The more powerful capability is to handle SFS directory contents *without* using a filemode. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
VMLAN and MACPREFIX
Is there any way to define a MACPREFIX for an LPAR dynamically? A quick scan shows the VMLAN statement in the SYSTEM CONFIG sets this value, but the SET VMLAN does not handle this. Trying to avoid an IPL, of course. I'm also looking at setting the MACID suffix on the NICDEF statement to get a unique value, but would prefer to set the prefix instead. Thanks, Denny Burch z/VM and z/LINUX Systems DISA DECC Mechanicsburg 717 605-1181 (dsn) 430-1181
Re: VMLAN and MACPREFIX
On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 05:38 EDT, Burch, Aubrey D Mr CIV US DISA CDB12 denny.bu...@csd.disa.mil wrote: Is there any way to define a MACPREFIX for an LPAR dynamically? A quick scan shows the VMLAN statement in the SYSTEM CONFIG sets this value, but the SET VMLAN does not handle this. Trying to avoid an IPL, of course. I?m also looking at setting the MACID suffix on the NICDEF statement to get a unique value, but would prefer to set the prefix instead. IPL is required. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: VMLAN and MACPREFIX
Thank you sir! -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 17:44 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VMLAN and MACPREFIX On Friday, 07/23/2010 at 05:38 EDT, Burch, Aubrey D Mr CIV US DISA CDB12 denny.bu...@csd.disa.mil wrote: Is there any way to define a MACPREFIX for an LPAR dynamically? A quick scan shows the VMLAN statement in the SYSTEM CONFIG sets this value, but the SET VMLAN does not handle this. Trying to avoid an IPL, of course. I?m also looking at setting the MACID suffix on the NICDEF statement to get a unique value, but would prefer to set the prefix instead. IPL is required. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
