Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-19 Thread Buettner, Wolfgang
Thanks Mike and Alan,

Both of you are right:
- A screen with sufficient lines plus "COMMAND HOLD OFF" in the
Directory for OPERATOR can circumvent the problem as long as there are
not too many highlighted messages displayed before OPERATOR is logged
on.
- After a normal IPL the system console comes up with TERMINAL HOLD OFF
while after SHUTDOWN REIPL (and I guess also after restart due to an
ABEND) it is TEMINAL HOLD OFF. This is something I would expect to be
the other way round and appears inexplicably indeed. Such, I'm going to
open a PMR.

Wolfgang Buettner


Software AG - Group Executive Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich 
(Vorsitzender/Chairman), Arnd Zinnhardt, Mark Edwards, David Broadbent, Dr. 
Hans Kraus, Dr. Wolfram Jost, Kamyar Niroumand, Ivo Totev

Sitz/Registered office: Uhlandstra?e 12, 64297 Darmstadt, Germany, - 
Registergericht/Commercial register: Darmstadt HRB 1562 - Vorstand/ Management 
Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich (Vorsitzender/Chairman), David Broadbent, Dr. 
Wolfram Jost, Arnd Zinnhardt; - Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender/ Chairman of the 
Supervisory Board: Dr. Andreas Bereczky - http://www.softwareag.com/
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From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Mike Walter
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 8:41 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Behaviour after restart

I held no expectation, merely asked a question.  As described in earlier
posts after Wolfgang reported it, and as with you, I never noticed the
difference before, either.

Since it has not affected us I'm not inclined to invest my time to
report it, nor IBM's time in devising a less inexplicable and consistent
response from a SHUTDOWN REIPL (which are by far our most frequent forms
of IPL).

But "anyone else" affected [ahem Wolfgang :-) ] is welcome to make
their business case to IBM, further improving the already sterling z/VM
reputation for clarity and consistency.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:32 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Behaviour after restart

On Monday, 07/18/2011 at 02:19 EDT, Mike Walter
 wrote:

> Thanks for the explanation.  Could one have a reasonable expectation
that in
> the z/VM release "6.next", SHUTDOWN REIPL might be updated to handle
'TERMINAL
> HOLD OFF' in the same fashion as it was handled at the previous
non-'REIPL', or
> perhaps have a more clearly-defined (less "inexplicable") action in
SYSTEM
> CONFIG?

No one has reported this behavior as a potential bug, so your
expectation
is somewhat optimistic.   Until today, I never even noticed the
difference
since I don't do any automated SHUTDOWN REIPLs and pressing PA2 is part
of my DNA.

If anyone feels that the current behavior is causing them difficulties,
then please contact the Support Center to discuss.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant IBM System Lab Services and
Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
IBM Endicott


Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Mike Walter
I held no expectation, merely asked a question.  As described in earlier posts 
after Wolfgang reported it, and as with you, I never noticed the difference 
before, either.

Since it has not affected us I'm not inclined to invest my time to report it, 
nor IBM's time in devising a less inexplicable and consistent response from a 
SHUTDOWN REIPL (which are by far our most frequent forms of IPL).

But "anyone else" affected [ahem Wolfgang :-) ] is welcome to make their 
business case to IBM, further improving the already sterling z/VM reputation 
for clarity and consistency.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:32 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Behaviour after restart

On Monday, 07/18/2011 at 02:19 EDT, Mike Walter 
 wrote:

> Thanks for the explanation.  Could one have a reasonable expectation 
that in 
> the z/VM release "6.next", SHUTDOWN REIPL might be updated to handle 
'TERMINAL 
> HOLD OFF' in the same fashion as it was handled at the previous 
non-'REIPL', or 
> perhaps have a more clearly-defined (less "inexplicable") action in 
SYSTEM 
> CONFIG?

No one has reported this behavior as a potential bug, so your expectation 
is somewhat optimistic.   Until today, I never even noticed the difference 
since I don't do any automated SHUTDOWN REIPLs and pressing PA2 is part of 
my DNA.

If anyone feels that the current behavior is causing them difficulties, 
then please contact the Support Center to discuss.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
IBM Endicott


Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 07/18/2011 at 02:19 EDT, Mike Walter 
 wrote:

> Thanks for the explanation.  Could one have a reasonable expectation 
that in 
> the z/VM release "6.next", SHUTDOWN REIPL might be updated to handle 
'TERMINAL 
> HOLD OFF' in the same fashion as it was handled at the previous 
non-'REIPL', or 
> perhaps have a more clearly-defined (less "inexplicable") action in 
SYSTEM 
> CONFIG?

No one has reported this behavior as a potential bug, so your expectation 
is somewhat optimistic.   Until today, I never even noticed the difference 
since I don't do any automated SHUTDOWN REIPLs and pressing PA2 is part of 
my DNA.

If anyone feels that the current behavior is causing them difficulties, 
then please contact the Support Center to discuss.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
IBM Endicott


Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Mike Walter
Alan,

Thanks for the explanation.  Could one have a reasonable expectation that in 
the z/VM release "6.next", SHUTDOWN REIPL might be updated to handle 'TERMINAL 
HOLD OFF' in the same fashion as it was handled at the previous non-'REIPL', or 
perhaps have a more clearly-defined (less "inexplicable") action in SYSTEM 
CONFIG?

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Alan Altmark
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 1:07 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Behaviour after restart

On Monday, 07/18/2011 at 12:50 EDT, Jim Bohnsack  
wrote:
> I saw the same, or a similar problem a couple of years ago.  It had
> something to do with the terminal emulator I was using.  I had the
> problem with Vista emulator from Tom Brennan Software.  Switching to a
> different emulator for the 2nd level system cured it and after
> installing an RSU or something, the problem went away and I could go
> back to Vista.

On a normal IPL, if the system is coming up warm (e.g. AUTO_WARM_IPL) 
without the PROMPT override, then the system operator will be TERMINAL 
HOLD OFF.  On a SHUTDOWN REIPL, the operator (inexplicably) comes up 
TERMINAL HOLD ON.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
IBM Endicott


Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Alan Altmark
On Monday, 07/18/2011 at 12:50 EDT, Jim Bohnsack  
wrote:
> I saw the same, or a similar problem a couple of years ago.  It had
> something to do with the terminal emulator I was using.  I had the
> problem with Vista emulator from Tom Brennan Software.  Switching to a
> different emulator for the 2nd level system cured it and after
> installing an RSU or something, the problem went away and I could go
> back to Vista.

On a normal IPL, if the system is coming up warm (e.g. AUTO_WARM_IPL) 
without the PROMPT override, then the system operator will be TERMINAL 
HOLD OFF.  On a SHUTDOWN REIPL, the operator (inexplicably) comes up 
TERMINAL HOLD ON.

Alan Altmark

Senior Managing z/VM and Linux Consultant
IBM System Lab Services and Training 
ibm.com/systems/services/labservices 
office: 607.429.3323
mobile; 607.321.7556
alan_altm...@us.ibm.com
IBM Endicott


Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Jim Bohnsack
I saw the same, or a similar problem a couple of years ago.  It had 
something to do with the terminal emulator I was using.  I had the 
problem with Vista emulator from Tom Brennan Software.  Switching to a 
different emulator for the 2nd level system cured it and after 
installing an RSU or something, the problem went away and I could go 
back to Vista.


Sorry, but I don't remember any details about the problem.

Jim

On 7/18/2011 12:14 PM, Mike Walter wrote:

Wolfgang,

That certainly helps! =20
Counting the number of lines, I see that your OPERATOR goes into HOLDING at=
  the 30th displayed line:
   17:19:36 HCPIOP952I 0064M system storage  =20

Meanwhile, our OPERATOR continues on without HOLDING where the 36th message=
  at logon (last night) was:
   20:27:39 HCPIOP952I 15488M system storage=
   =20

I'm guessing that on your system, the OPERATOR virtual machine had logged o=
n, but there was a timing "race" between the IPL messages being issued, and=
  OPERATOR's "COMMAND" statement being processed as the virtual machine was =
being built and connected.

But then why does our OPERATOR consistently IPL (every week) without droppi=
ng into HOLDING? =20

Perhaps, just perhaps, it is because we being up OPERATOR on a model 4 term=
inal (42 lines x 80 wide).  That may be permitting the 36+ lines to display=
  before the PROFILE EXEC on our OPERATOR execute the command:
   'CP TERMINAL MORE 15 0 HOLD OFF'
Note: that is not present in the directory as a COMMAND statement.  Our OPE=
RATOR's directory COMMAND statements contain only:
   COMMAND SPOOL CONSOLE * CLASS C START NAME OPERATOR CONSOLE=20
   COMMAND SET SYSOPER *  =20

Can you try again with a model 4 terminal for OPERATOR?  There may be other=
  ways to resolve this, but again, it can't hurt until a better solution is =
devised.

It might be worth opening a PMR with IBM requesting a means in SYSTEM CONFI=
G to force the IPL console into "TERMINAL HOLD OFF MORE n n" immediately, e=
ven before OPERATOR logs on.

Could this be a 2nd level system?  That could present a whole different set=
  of circumstances.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.







-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Beh=
alf Of Buettner, Wolfgang
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:26 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Behaviour after restart

Mike,

I have changed the COMMAND TERM statement as suggested ... unfortunately no=
thing has changed.

Meanwhile, our system


Here is that screen in question:

  17:19:33 z/VM SYSTEM RESTART FROM SHUTDOWN REIPL  =
 =20
  17:19:33 z/VM  V6 R1.0  SERVICE LEVEL 1003 (64-BIT)   =
 =20
  17:19:33 SYSTEM NUCLEUS CREATED ON 2011-07-15 AT 17:54:28, LOADED FROM VZG=
61R =20
17:19:33   =
 =20
17:19:33   =
 =20
17:19:33 * LICENSED MATERIALS - PROPERTY OF IBM**  =
 =20
17:19:33 *  *  =
 =20
17:19:33 * 5741-A07 (C) COPYRIGHT IBM CORP. 1983, 2009. ALL RIGHTS  *  =
 =20
17:19:33 * RESERVED. US GOVERNMENT USERS RESTRICTED RIGHTS - USE,   *  =
 =20
17:19:33 * DUPLICATION OR DISCLOSURE RESTRICTED BY GSA ADP SCHEDULE *  =
 =20
17:19:33 * CONTRACT WITH IBM CORP.  *  =
 =20
17:19:33 *  *  =
 =20
17:19:33 * * TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES.  *  =
 =20
17:19:33   =
 =20
17:19:33   =
 =20
  17:19:33 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume VZG61R (device 5364).=
 =20
  17:19:33 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.   =
 =20
17:19:33 The directory on volume VZG61R at address 5364 has been brought on=
line.
  17:19:35 HCPWRS2513I  =
 =20
  17:19:35 HCPWRS2513I Spool files available  575   =
 =20
  17:19:36 HCPWRS2512I Spooling initialization is complete. =
 =20
17:19:36 DASD 5139 dump unit CP IPL pages 7696 =
 =20
17:19:36 HCPAAU2700I System gateway DAEZ identified.   =
 =20
17:19:36 z/VM Version 6 Release 1.0, Service Level 1003 (64-bit),  =
 =20
17:19:36 built on IBM Virtualization Technology=
 =20
17:19:36 There is no logmsg data   =
 =20
17:19:36 FILES: 00

Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Hodge, Robert L
Have you tried placing the TERM HOLD OFF in a COMMAND record in the CP 
directory entry for OPERATOR? That way it is in effect when OPERATOR starts, 
not having to wait for the PROFILE EXEC to run.


Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Mike Walter
Wolfgang,

That certainly helps!  
Counting the number of lines, I see that your OPERATOR goes into HOLDING at the 
30th displayed line:
  17:19:36 HCPIOP952I 0064M system storage   

Meanwhile, our OPERATOR continues on without HOLDING where the 36th message at 
logon (last night) was:
  20:27:39 HCPIOP952I 15488M system storage 
  

I'm guessing that on your system, the OPERATOR virtual machine had logged on, 
but there was a timing "race" between the IPL messages being issued, and 
OPERATOR's "COMMAND" statement being processed as the virtual machine was being 
built and connected.

But then why does our OPERATOR consistently IPL (every week) without dropping 
into HOLDING?  

Perhaps, just perhaps, it is because we being up OPERATOR on a model 4 terminal 
(42 lines x 80 wide).  That may be permitting the 36+ lines to display before 
the PROFILE EXEC on our OPERATOR execute the command:
  'CP TERMINAL MORE 15 0 HOLD OFF'
Note: that is not present in the directory as a COMMAND statement.  Our 
OPERATOR's directory COMMAND statements contain only:
  COMMAND SPOOL CONSOLE * CLASS C START NAME OPERATOR CONSOLE 
  COMMAND SET SYSOPER *   

Can you try again with a model 4 terminal for OPERATOR?  There may be other 
ways to resolve this, but again, it can't hurt until a better solution is 
devised.

It might be worth opening a PMR with IBM requesting a means in SYSTEM CONFIG to 
force the IPL console into "TERMINAL HOLD OFF MORE n n" immediately, even 
before OPERATOR logs on.

Could this be a 2nd level system?  That could present a whole different set of 
circumstances.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.







-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Buettner, Wolfgang
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:26 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Behaviour after restart

Mike,

I have changed the COMMAND TERM statement as suggested ... unfortunately 
nothing has changed.

Meanwhile, our system


Here is that screen in question:

 17:19:33 z/VM SYSTEM RESTART FROM SHUTDOWN REIPL   
 17:19:33 z/VM  V6 R1.0  SERVICE LEVEL 1003 (64-BIT)
 17:19:33 SYSTEM NUCLEUS CREATED ON 2011-07-15 AT 17:54:28, LOADED FROM VZG61R  
17:19:33
17:19:33    
17:19:33 * LICENSED MATERIALS - PROPERTY OF IBM**   
17:19:33 *  *   
17:19:33 * 5741-A07 (C) COPYRIGHT IBM CORP. 1983, 2009. ALL RIGHTS  *   
17:19:33 * RESERVED. US GOVERNMENT USERS RESTRICTED RIGHTS - USE,   *   
17:19:33 * DUPLICATION OR DISCLOSURE RESTRICTED BY GSA ADP SCHEDULE *   
17:19:33 * CONTRACT WITH IBM CORP.  *   
17:19:33 *  *   
17:19:33 * * TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES.  *   
17:19:33    
17:19:33
 17:19:33 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume VZG61R (device 5364). 
 17:19:33 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.
17:19:33 The directory on volume VZG61R at address 5364 has been brought online.
 17:19:35 HCPWRS2513I   
 17:19:35 HCPWRS2513I Spool files available  575
 17:19:36 HCPWRS2512I Spooling initialization is complete.  
17:19:36 DASD 5139 dump unit CP IPL pages 7696  
17:19:36 HCPAAU2700I System gateway DAEZ identified.
17:19:36 z/VM Version 6 Release 1.0, Service Level 1003 (64-bit),   
17:19:36 built on IBM Virtualization Technology 
17:19:36 There is no logmsg data
17:19:36 FILES: 0044 RDR, 0040 PRT,   NO PUN
17:19:36 LOGON AT 17:19:36 CES MONDAY 07/18/11  
17:19:36 GRAF  0009 LOGON  AS  OPERATOR USERS = 1   
17:19:36 HCPIOP952I 0064M system storage

HOLDING   DAEZ  

The indented lines above appear highlighted on the screen.

Wolfgang

  

-Origin

Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Tom Paul
Hi,

 

It looks like it’s 2nd level system.  So, your first level system need to be
change to fill in 2nd level.  Plz. Correct me if I am wrong. 

 

Warm Regards,

Tom

1-646-452-3359

 

From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On
Behalf Of Buettner, Wolfgang
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:54 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Behaviour after restart

 

After a system restart OPERATOR's console hangs on its very first screen in
HOLDING status (I guess due to the fact that some system messages are
highlighted) and is waiting until the screen is cleared manually. Though
there is not any other prompt to be answered and the system itself continues
to start-up, that HOLDING seems to prevent OPERATOR from loading CMS and/or
starting its profile and other automatic processes immediately after the
virtual machine OPERATOR was started by system.

 

It appears it's not yet the turn of "COMMAND TERM HOLD OFF" which is defined
in the CP Directory.

 

So, is there a CONFIG statement or anything else to manage that?

 

Thank you,

Wolfgang Buettner

 


Software AG – Group Executive Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich
(Vorsitzender/Chairman), Arnd Zinnhardt, Mark Edwards, David Broadbent, Dr.
Hans Kraus, Dr. Wolfram Jost, Kamyar Niroumand, Ivo Totev 

Sitz/Registered office: Uhlandstraße 12, 64297 Darmstadt, Germany, –
Registergericht/Commercial register: Darmstadt HRB 1562 - Vorstand/
Management Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich (Vorsitzender/Chairman), David
Broadbent, Dr. Wolfram Jost, Arnd Zinnhardt; - Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender/
Chairman of the Supervisory Board: Dr. Andreas Bereczky -
<http://www.softwareag.com/> http://www.softwareag.com 

 



Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Buettner, Wolfgang
Mike,

I have changed the COMMAND TERM statement as suggested ... unfortunately 
nothing has changed.

Here is that screen in question:

 17:19:33 z/VM SYSTEM RESTART FROM SHUTDOWN REIPL   
 17:19:33 z/VM  V6 R1.0  SERVICE LEVEL 1003 (64-BIT)
 17:19:33 SYSTEM NUCLEUS CREATED ON 2011-07-15 AT 17:54:28, LOADED FROM VZG61R  
17:19:33
17:19:33    
17:19:33 * LICENSED MATERIALS - PROPERTY OF IBM**   
17:19:33 *  *   
17:19:33 * 5741-A07 (C) COPYRIGHT IBM CORP. 1983, 2009. ALL RIGHTS  *   
17:19:33 * RESERVED. US GOVERNMENT USERS RESTRICTED RIGHTS - USE,   *   
17:19:33 * DUPLICATION OR DISCLOSURE RESTRICTED BY GSA ADP SCHEDULE *   
17:19:33 * CONTRACT WITH IBM CORP.  *   
17:19:33 *  *   
17:19:33 * * TRADEMARK OF INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS MACHINES.  *   
17:19:33    
17:19:33
 17:19:33 HCPZCO6718I Using parm disk 1 on volume VZG61R (device 5364). 
 17:19:33 HCPZCO6718I Parm disk resides on cylinders 39 through 158.
17:19:33 The directory on volume VZG61R at address 5364 has been brought online.
 17:19:35 HCPWRS2513I   
 17:19:35 HCPWRS2513I Spool files available  575
 17:19:36 HCPWRS2512I Spooling initialization is complete.  
17:19:36 DASD 5139 dump unit CP IPL pages 7696  
17:19:36 HCPAAU2700I System gateway DAEZ identified.
17:19:36 z/VM Version 6 Release 1.0, Service Level 1003 (64-bit),   
17:19:36 built on IBM Virtualization Technology 
17:19:36 There is no logmsg data
17:19:36 FILES: 0044 RDR, 0040 PRT,   NO PUN
17:19:36 LOGON AT 17:19:36 CES MONDAY 07/18/11  
17:19:36 GRAF  0009 LOGON  AS  OPERATOR USERS = 1   
17:19:36 HCPIOP952I 0064M system storage

HOLDING   DAEZ  

The indented lines above appear highlighted on the screen.

Wolfgang

  

-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Mike Walter
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:09 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: Behaviour after restart

Wolfgang,

Can you copy/paste the held screen so that we have a better idea of which 
messages might be causing the problem?

Could you change the CP directory entry's "COMMAND TERM HOLD OFF" to be 
"COMMAND TERM HOLD OFF MORE 0 0"? 
Then, in the OPERATOR's PROFILE EXEC change it to "CP TERM MORE n n" with more 
appropriate "MORE" times?  

It's worth a try until we better understand the root cause.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.


From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Buettner, Wolfgang
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:54 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Behaviour after restart

After a system restart OPERATOR's console hangs on its very first screen in 
HOLDING status (I guess due to the fact that some system messages are 
highlighted) and is waiting until the screen is cleared manually. Though there 
is not any other prompt to be answered and the system itself continues to 
start-up, that HOLDING seems to prevent OPERATOR from loading CMS and/or 
starting its profile and other automatic processes immediately after the 
virtual machine OPERATOR was started by system.
 
It appears it's not yet the turn of "COMMAND TERM HOLD OFF" which is 
defined in the CP Directory.
 
So, is there a CONFIG statement or anything else to manage that?
 
Thank you,
Wolfgang Buettner

Software AG - Group Executive Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich 
(Vorsitzender/Chairman), Arnd Zinnhardt, Mark Edwards, David Broadbent, Dr. 
Hans Kraus, Dr. Wolfram Jost, Kamyar Niroumand, Ivo Totev 

Sitz/Registered office: Uhlandstraße 12, 64297 Darmstadt, Germany, - 
Registergericht/Commercial register: Darmstadt HRB 1562 - Vorstand/ Management 
Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich (Vorsitzender/Chairman), David Broadb

Re: Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Mike Walter
Wolfgang,

Can you copy/paste the held screen so that we have a better idea of which 
messages might be causing the problem?

Could you change the CP directory entry's "COMMAND TERM HOLD OFF" to be 
"COMMAND TERM HOLD OFF MORE 0 0"? 
Then, in the OPERATOR's PROFILE EXEC change it to "CP TERM MORE n n" with more 
appropriate "MORE" times?  

It's worth a try until we better understand the root cause.

Mike Walter
Aon Corporation
The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's.


From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Buettner, Wolfgang
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 9:54 AM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Behaviour after restart

After a system restart OPERATOR's console hangs on its very first screen in 
HOLDING status (I guess due to the fact that some system messages are 
highlighted) and is waiting until the screen is cleared manually. Though there 
is not any other prompt to be answered and the system itself continues to 
start-up, that HOLDING seems to prevent OPERATOR from loading CMS and/or 
starting its profile and other automatic processes immediately after the 
virtual machine OPERATOR was started by system.
 
It appears it's not yet the turn of "COMMAND TERM HOLD OFF" which is 
defined in the CP Directory.
 
So, is there a CONFIG statement or anything else to manage that?
 
Thank you,
Wolfgang Buettner

Software AG - Group Executive Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich 
(Vorsitzender/Chairman), Arnd Zinnhardt, Mark Edwards, David Broadbent, Dr. 
Hans Kraus, Dr. Wolfram Jost, Kamyar Niroumand, Ivo Totev 

Sitz/Registered office: Uhlandstraße 12, 64297 Darmstadt, Germany, - 
Registergericht/Commercial register: Darmstadt HRB 1562 - Vorstand/ Management 
Board: Karl-Heinz Streibich (Vorsitzender/Chairman), David Broadbent, Dr. 
Wolfram Jost, Arnd Zinnhardt; - Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender/ Chairman of the 
Supervisory Board: Dr. Andreas Bereczky - http://www.softwareag.com 


Behaviour after restart

2011-07-18 Thread Buettner, Wolfgang
After a system restart OPERATOR's console hangs on its very first screen
in HOLDING status (I guess due to the fact that some system messages are
highlighted) and is waiting until the screen is cleared manually. Though
there is not any other prompt to be answered and the system itself
continues to start-up, that HOLDING seems to prevent OPERATOR from
loading CMS and/or starting its profile and other automatic processes
immediately after the virtual machine OPERATOR was started by system.

It appears it's not yet the turn of "COMMAND TERM HOLD OFF" which is
defined in the CP Directory.

So, is there a CONFIG statement or anything else to manage that?

Thank you,
Wolfgang Buettner

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