Re: CICS and z/VM
Thanks all for the information. I've been installing CICS and writing Assembler code for CICS transactions since the '70's on DOS OS's and other MVS releases, but I had never heard of a CICS to run on VM. Hearst Corp. had a number of 360 machines of various sizes and started to use CICS/DOS in the '70's and I loved it. To bad I missed that boat, I would have loved to have a crack at CICS/VM. Live and learn, I would like to be around 20,15, 50 years from now to see where z/VM and CICS is at. BTW, loved macro level CICS programming. --- On Wed, 6/23/10, Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com wrote: From: Marcy Cortes marcy.d.cor...@wellsfargo.com Subject: Re: CICS and z/VM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2010, 10:50 PM Too cool for real life apparently. Not archived... We shoud say recycled, reclaimed, reused for stuff like complex networking and security work! Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] CICS and z/VM On Wednesday, 06/23/2010 at 07:03 EDT, Ron Schmiedge ron.schmie...@gmail.com wrote: There was. Announced in 1985 and EOS was Dec 31 1993. Program Product 5684-011. Wow. Good ol' CICS/VM. I did some testing of CICS/VM R3, ca. 1989, which never saw the light of day. It was a pretty cool product (hey, it used SFS!) and at that time I still remembered how to write CICS applications. Those brain cells have since been archived. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: CICS and z/VM
I ran Transaction Server on OS/2 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Marcy Cortes Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:09 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: CICS and z/VM There was a CICS/VM in 1987. You can google cics/vm and learn a little bit more. http://www-01.ibm.com/software/htp/cics/35/80s/ IBM killed it before it could gain acceptance. Rumor was that it ran better than it did on MVS :) From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:56 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] CICS and z/VM I would ask him to explain 'with z/OS being present' - and then ask him to explain 'native' ;-) Maybe those words don't mean what he thinks they do or what you think they do? The 'presence' of z/OS seems especially ambiguous in his statement.. what the heck does that mean? Lurking nearby? ;) z/VM can run a z/OS guest, which can run CICS.. there's no 'z/VM CICS' product. Scott Rohling On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Howard Rifkind vmes...@yahoo.com wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks == This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. If you are not the intended recipient you are notified that disclosing, copying, distributing or taking any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited.
Re: CICS and z/VM
CICS can run as a started task under z/OS or as a long running job under z/VSE. But there is no native implementation of CICS for VM (at least not any longer :( ) On 06/23/2010 05:43 PM, Howard Rifkind wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks -- Rich Smrcina Phone: 414-491-6001 http://www.linkedin.com/in/richsmrcina Catch the WAVV! http://www.wavv.org WAVV 2011 - April 15-19, 2011 Colorado Springs, CO
Re: CICS and z/VM
Maybe he saw the size of a machine where CICS was running under VSE and thought, because of the size difference when compared to what z/OS needs, it was CICS that had been IPLed. :-) There are some CICS SVCs. It might be necessary to IPL z/OS when they are changed. Maybe he was confusing an IPL for CICS with an IPL of CICS. Regards, Richard Schuh From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: CICS and z/VM A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: CICS and z/VM
Back in the 1980's I recall an IBM product called CICS/VM being available. I'm not sure if it is still around today, nor whether it required a z/OS guest - try Googling or searching ibm.com. -Mike From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Howard Rifkind Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:43 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: CICS and z/VM A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: CICS and z/VM
I would ask him to explain 'with z/OS being present' - and then ask him to explain 'native' ;-) Maybe those words don't mean what he thinks they do or what you think they do? The 'presence' of z/OS seems especially ambiguous in his statement.. what the heck does that mean? Lurking nearby? ;) z/VM can run a z/OS guest, which can run CICS.. there's no 'z/VM CICS' product. Scott Rohling On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Howard Rifkind vmes...@yahoo.com wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: CICS and z/VM
There was. Announced in 1985 and EOS was Dec 31 1993. Program Product 5684-011. It's EOS date was listed in the Licensed Products Migration Matrix for z/VM 5.3 from 2005 on the IBM web site. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Howard Rifkind vmes...@yahoo.com wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: CICS and z/VM
There was a CICS/VM in 1987. You can google cics/vm and learn a little bit more. http://www-01.ibm.com/software/htp/cics/35/80s/ IBM killed it before it could gain acceptance. Rumor was that it ran better than it did on MVS :) From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:56 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] CICS and z/VM I would ask him to explain 'with z/OS being present' - and then ask him to explain 'native' ;-) Maybe those words don't mean what he thinks they do or what you think they do? The 'presence' of z/OS seems especially ambiguous in his statement.. what the heck does that mean? Lurking nearby? ;) z/VM can run a z/OS guest, which can run CICS.. there's no 'z/VM CICS' product. Scott Rohling On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Howard Rifkind vmes...@yahoo.commailto:vmes...@yahoo.com wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks
Re: CICS and z/VM
I worked for a shop back in the day that ran a product from Unicorn, that was essentially a CICS emulator for VM. They had a few apps that they had ported over from real CICS. As I recall, the thing was a real pain to get working. It also had a VSAM replacement. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Howard Rifkind vmes...@yahoo.com wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. I find this hard to believe and have never heard of this being done in any size, shape or form. I think he is blowing wind. Can anyone comment on this. If there is any truth in this please advise where I can find some documentation on this. Thanks -- Jeff Henry
Re: CICS and z/VM
On Wednesday, 06/23/2010 at 07:03 EDT, Ron Schmiedge ron.schmie...@gmail.com wrote: There was. Announced in 1985 and EOS was Dec 31 1993. Program Product 5684-011. Wow. Good ol' CICS/VM. I did some testing of CICS/VM R3, ca. 1989, which never saw the light of day. It was a pretty cool product (hey, it used SFS!) and at that time I still remembered how to write CICS applications. Those brain cells have since been archived. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
Re: CICS and z/VM
On 6/23/10 6:51 PM, Rich Smrcina r...@velocitysoftware.com wrote: On 06/23/2010 05:43 PM, Howard Rifkind wrote: A friend of mine stated that CICS can run native under z/VM with z/OS being present. There was a CICS/VM about 20 years back that did not require a guest OS, however it was withdrawn ages ago. There are apocryphal stories that it was withdrawn because there were fears in IBM that if such a thing existed, it would somehow hurt CICS sales on the other operating systems. I still have paper manuals for it, and it was very popular with universities in the Higher Ed Software Consortium because it was a lot less difficult to use to teach CICS programming with it, and it was dirt cheap compared to running a VSE or MVS guest. You also could only crash your own virtual machine, instead of screwing up everybody's work... -- db
Re: CICS and z/VM
Too cool for real life apparently. Not archived... We shoud say recycled, reclaimed, reused for stuff like complex networking and security work! Marcy This message may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the addressee or authorized to receive this for the addressee, you must not use, copy, disclose, or take any action based on this message or any information herein. If you have received this message in error, please advise the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: [IBMVM] CICS and z/VM On Wednesday, 06/23/2010 at 07:03 EDT, Ron Schmiedge ron.schmie...@gmail.com wrote: There was. Announced in 1985 and EOS was Dec 31 1993. Program Product 5684-011. Wow. Good ol' CICS/VM. I did some testing of CICS/VM R3, ca. 1989, which never saw the light of day. It was a pretty cool product (hey, it used SFS!) and at that time I still remembered how to write CICS applications. Those brain cells have since been archived. Alan Altmark z/VM Development IBM Endicott
