Re: VSM - TCPIP
AMEN. My father is retired IBMer and we moved a lot. My stint with IBM was to short to have been moved. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Jim Bohnsack jab...@cornell.edu wrote: IBM-I've Been Moved---even if not relocated. Jim On 9/15/2010 9:28 PM, Chip Davis wrote: And I guess Scott has the honor of the last IBMVM problem solved by Alan as a developer... :-/ I hope Alan enjoys the deeper, more direct experience he's going to have with us. If it weren't for all the traveling... -Chip- -- James Bohnsack (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems
Re: VSM - TCPIP
Are you looking to do something like this?QN EXEC: /* QUERY NAMES replacement */ Trace O Address COMMAND PIPE (endchar ?), | CP QUERY NAMES, | ZONE 9.1 NFIND -||, | SPLIT ,, | STRIP, | SORT, | SPEC 1.15 1.16, |o:FANOUT, | SNAKE 5, |i:FANIN, | CONSOLE, ?o:, | COUNT LINES, | SPEC / Total number of users = / 1 1-* NW, |j:FANIN, | JOIN *, |i:, ?o:, | SPEC FS - F2 STRIP 1, |p:FIND DSC||, | COUNT LINES, | SPEC / disconnected = / 1 1-* NW, | j: Exit rc Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:30 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: VSM - TCPIP Ok - #1 helps a little (but I'm assuming a real user can end up by itself on a line too) - #2 a bit more (yes, sneaky) - #3 even more, but probably going a little far unless I'm going for 6 Sigma or something :-)Probably will stick with tossing VSM user cuz I'm a lazy old cuss. The good news for me is now I know why it's there and why I'm excluding it ... so.. thanks again... Scott Rohling On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 07:46 EDT, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - so this is about linemode sessions. And yeah - I get the crickets - who the heck uses linemode? I suppose it fits. I always have a grin on my face when I explain virtual reader/punch/printer to non-z/VM folk. The consistency factor is me expecting the first word in front of the dash (-) to be a guest name. So I still think Q VSM would be better than stuffing it into Q NAMES where I'm looking for guest names and their status. But no one asked me.. hmmph Sounds like I get my list of running guests by ignoring VSM.. Keeping my fingers crossed no one names a guest VSM until I retire :-) Perhaps it would help to know that all VSMs 1. Appear on a separate line of output on QUERY NAMES 2. Have the '-' in column 9. User IDs have it in column 10. (Sneaky, huh?) 3. Can be seen via CP QUERY IUCV *CCS Alan Altmark z/VM Development (T minus 3h 50m) IBM Endicott _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: VSM - TCPIP
Hi Frank -- Yes, that pipe looks like it makes good use of rules 1 and 2 and comes up with a good list. Nicely done - thanks! I still don't think the VSM info should be under Q NAMES - and those sneaky rules make me suspect it was a shoehorn :-) But it's been interesting and now at least I have a better way than just tossing 'VSM'. Thanks all! Scott Rohling On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.comwrote: Are you looking to do something like this?QN EXEC: /* QUERY NAMES replacement */ Trace O Address COMMAND PIPE (endchar ?), | CP QUERY NAMES, | ZONE 9.1 NFIND -||, | SPLIT ,, | STRIP, | SORT, | SPEC 1.15 1.16, |o:FANOUT, | SNAKE 5, |i:FANIN, | CONSOLE, ?o:, | COUNT LINES, | SPEC / Total number of users = / 1 1-* NW, |j:FANIN, | JOIN *, |i:, ?o:, | SPEC FS - F2 STRIP 1, |p:FIND DSC||, | COUNT LINES, | SPEC / disconnected = / 1 1-* NW, | j: Exit rc Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -- *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] *On Behalf Of *Scott Rohling *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:30 PM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: VSM - TCPIP Ok - #1 helps a little (but I'm assuming a real user can end up by itself on a line too) - #2 a bit more (yes, sneaky) - #3 even more, but probably going a little far unless I'm going for 6 Sigma or something :-) Probably will stick with tossing VSM user cuz I'm a lazy old cuss. The good news for me is now I know why it's there and why I'm excluding it ... so.. thanks again... Scott Rohling On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 07:46 EDT, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - so this is about linemode sessions. And yeah - I get the crickets - who the heck uses linemode? I suppose it fits. I always have a grin on my face when I explain virtual reader/punch/printer to non-z/VM folk. The consistency factor is me expecting the first word in front of the dash (-) to be a guest name. So I still think Q VSM would be better than stuffing it into Q NAMES where I'm looking for guest names and their status. But no one asked me.. hmmph Sounds like I get my list of running guests by ignoring VSM..Keeping my fingers crossed no one names a guest VSM until I retire :-) Perhaps it would help to know that all VSMs 1. Appear on a separate line of output on QUERY NAMES 2. Have the '-' in column 9. User IDs have it in column 10. (Sneaky, huh?) 3. Can be seen via CP QUERY IUCV *CCS Alan Altmark z/VM Development (T minus 3h 50m) IBM Endicott _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: VSM - TCPIP
Or simply PIPE CP QUERY NAMES|NFIND VSM - |CONS feeds nicely into additional piping. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Frank -- Yes, that pipe looks like it makes good use of rules 1 and 2 and comes up with a good list. Nicely done - thanks! I still don't think the VSM info should be under Q NAMES - and those sneaky rules make me suspect it was a shoehorn :-) But it's been interesting and now at least I have a better way than just tossing 'VSM'. Thanks all! Scott Rohling On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:56 AM, Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com wrote: Are you looking to do something like this?QN EXEC: /* QUERY NAMES replacement */ Trace O Address COMMAND PIPE (endchar ?), | CP QUERY NAMES, | ZONE 9.1 NFIND -||, | SPLIT ,, | STRIP, | SORT, | SPEC 1.15 1.16, |o:FANOUT, | SNAKE 5, |i:FANIN, | CONSOLE, ?o:, | COUNT LINES, | SPEC / Total number of users = / 1 1-* NW, |j:FANIN, | JOIN *, |i:, ?o:, | SPEC FS - F2 STRIP 1, |p:FIND DSC||, | COUNT LINES, | SPEC / disconnected = / 1 1-* NW, | j: Exit rc Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -- *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] *On Behalf Of *Scott Rohling *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2010 7:30 PM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: VSM - TCPIP Ok - #1 helps a little (but I'm assuming a real user can end up by itself on a line too) - #2 a bit more (yes, sneaky) - #3 even more, but probably going a little far unless I'm going for 6 Sigma or something :-) Probably will stick with tossing VSM user cuz I'm a lazy old cuss. The good news for me is now I know why it's there and why I'm excluding it ... so.. thanks again... Scott Rohling On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 07:46 EDT, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - so this is about linemode sessions. And yeah - I get the crickets - who the heck uses linemode? I suppose it fits. I always have a grin on my face when I explain virtual reader/punch/printer to non-z/VM folk. The consistency factor is me expecting the first word in front of the dash (-) to be a guest name. So I still think Q VSM would be better than stuffing it into Q NAMES where I'm looking for guest names and their status. But no one asked me.. hmmph Sounds like I get my list of running guests by ignoring VSM..Keeping my fingers crossed no one names a guest VSM until I retire :-) Perhaps it would help to know that all VSMs 1. Appear on a separate line of output on QUERY NAMES 2. Have the '-' in column 9. User IDs have it in column 10. (Sneaky, huh?) 3. Can be seen via CP QUERY IUCV *CCS Alan Altmark z/VM Development (T minus 3h 50m) IBM Endicott _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: VSM - TCPIP
You should use nfind VSM_- to make sure you don't match a userid that starts with VSM that happens to be logged in via a VSM machine. Remember that pipeline find uses a blank to match any character, and an underscore to match a blank. In this case, you want to make sure blanks follow VSM. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Ethan Lanz llel...@gmail.com wrote: Or simply PIPE CP QUERY NAMES|NFIND VSM - |CONS feeds nicely into additional piping. -- Bruce Hayden z/VM and Linux on System z ATS IBM, Endicott, NY
Re: VSM - TCPIP
Part of my LISTSG tool is USERLIST, displays the user of users in a FILELIST fashion http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?LISTSG *USERLIST * -- list everyone *USERLIST LIN** -- list users starting with LIN *USERLIST CP Q NSS USERS CMS|drop 2|Split* -- lists all users that use segment CMS 2010/9/16 Bruce Hayden bjhay...@gmail.com You should use nfind VSM_- to make sure you don't match a userid that starts with VSM that happens to be logged in via a VSM machine. Remember that pipeline find uses a blank to match any character, and an underscore to match a blank. In this case, you want to make sure blanks follow VSM. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Ethan Lanz llel...@gmail.com wrote: Or simply PIPE CP QUERY NAMES|NFIND VSM - |CONS feeds nicely into additional piping. -- Bruce Hayden z/VM and Linux on System z ATS IBM, Endicott, NY -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
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Ok - so this is about linemode sessions. And yeah - I get the crickets - who the heck uses linemode? I suppose it fits. I always have a grin on my face when I explain virtual reader/punch/printer to non-z/VM folk. The consistency factor is me expecting the first word in front of the dash (-) to be a guest name. So I still think Q VSM would be better than stuffing it into Q NAMES where I'm looking for guest names and their status. But no one asked me.. hmmph Sounds like I get my list of running guests by ignoring VSM..Keeping my fingers crossed no one names a guest VSM until I retire :-) Thanks David and Alan -- as always - I keep learning from you - Scott Rohling On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.comwrote: On Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 06:35 EDT, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering if anyone else sees the value in finding VSM - TCPIP as an entry when doing a 'CP QUERY NAMES'. I do, I do! This is described as being the users of the VTAM service machine ... As someone who often writes system utilities which do a QUERY NAMES to find the active users - this is always something I have to code around. I know there are still SNA users out there, but have always wondered if it's still relevant or even consistent to list it under QUERY NAMES (rather than say, a QUERY VSM cmd)?Always interested in learning from other listers... I'm sure I'm missing something that pulls it all together. VM TCP/IP uses the same *CCS interface for linemode telnet sessions as VTAM does for its terminal sessions. The VM book VSM references were all added back in VM/SP R4, and so predate any VM recognition (politically) of TCP/IP. To make it a bit worse, CP can't really tell the difference between VTAM and TCP/IP in this regard. But *I* know what VSMs VTAM and TCPIP do and so know how to interpret the users I see following each VSM. I mean, haven't you thought it a bit strange that CP DISABLE SNA will stop linemode telnet sessions?!? Haven't you? Hello? crickets Alan Altmark z/VM Development (T minus 05h 05m 42s and counting...) IBM Endicott
Re: VSM - TCPIP
On Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 07:46 EDT, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - so this is about linemode sessions. And yeah - I get the crickets - who the heck uses linemode? I suppose it fits. I always have a grin on my face when I explain virtual reader/punch/printer to non-z/VM folk. The consistency factor is me expecting the first word in front of the dash (-) to be a guest name. So I still think Q VSM would be better than stuffing it into Q NAMES where I'm looking for guest names and their status. But no one asked me.. hmmph Sounds like I get my list of running guests by ignoring VSM..Keeping my fingers crossed no one names a guest VSM until I retire :-) Perhaps it would help to know that all VSMs 1. Appear on a separate line of output on QUERY NAMES 2. Have the '-' in column 9. User IDs have it in column 10. (Sneaky, huh?) 3. Can be seen via CP QUERY IUCV *CCS Alan Altmark z/VM Development (T minus 3h 50m) IBM Endicott
Re: VSM - TCPIP
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Re: VSM - TCPIP
Ok - #1 helps a little (but I'm assuming a real user can end up by itself on a line too) - #2 a bit more (yes, sneaky) - #3 even more, but probably going a little far unless I'm going for 6 Sigma or something :-) Probably will stick with tossing VSM user cuz I'm a lazy old cuss. The good news for me is now I know why it's there and why I'm excluding it ... so.. thanks again... Scott Rohling On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.comwrote: On Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 07:46 EDT, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - so this is about linemode sessions. And yeah - I get the crickets - who the heck uses linemode? I suppose it fits. I always have a grin on my face when I explain virtual reader/punch/printer to non-z/VM folk. The consistency factor is me expecting the first word in front of the dash (-) to be a guest name. So I still think Q VSM would be better than stuffing it into Q NAMES where I'm looking for guest names and their status. But no one asked me.. hmmph Sounds like I get my list of running guests by ignoring VSM..Keeping my fingers crossed no one names a guest VSM until I retire :-) Perhaps it would help to know that all VSMs 1. Appear on a separate line of output on QUERY NAMES 2. Have the '-' in column 9. User IDs have it in column 10. (Sneaky, huh?) 3. Can be seen via CP QUERY IUCV *CCS Alan Altmark z/VM Development (T minus 3h 50m) IBM Endicott
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And I guess Scott has the honor of the last IBMVM problem solved by Alan as a developer... :-/ I hope Alan enjoys the deeper, more direct experience he's going to have with us. If it weren't for all the traveling... -Chip- On 9/16/10 00:30 Scott Rohling said: Ok - #1 helps a little (but I'm assuming a real user can end up by itself on a line too) - #2 a bit more (yes, sneaky) - #3 even more, but probably going a little far unless I'm going for 6 Sigma or something :-)Probably will stick with tossing VSM user cuz I'm a lazy old cuss. The good news for me is now I know why it's there and why I'm excluding it ... so.. thanks again... Scott Rohling On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 6:10 PM, Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com mailto:alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote: On Wednesday, 09/15/2010 at 07:46 EDT, Scott Rohling scott.rohl...@gmail.com mailto:scott.rohl...@gmail.com wrote: Ok - so this is about linemode sessions. And yeah - I get the crickets - who the heck uses linemode? I suppose it fits. I always have a grin on my face when I explain virtual reader/punch/printer to non-z/VM folk. The consistency factor is me expecting the first word in front of the dash (-) to be a guest name. So I still think Q VSM would be better than stuffing it into Q NAMES where I'm looking for guest names and their status. But no one asked me.. hmmph Sounds like I get my list of running guests by ignoring VSM.. Keeping my fingers crossed no one names a guest VSM until I retire :-) Perhaps it would help to know that all VSMs 1. Appear on a separate line of output on QUERY NAMES 2. Have the '-' in column 9. User IDs have it in column 10. (Sneaky, huh?) 3. Can be seen via CP QUERY IUCV *CCS Alan Altmark z/VM Development (T minus 3h 50m) IBM Endicott
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IBM-I've Been Moved---even if not relocated. Jim On 9/15/2010 9:28 PM, Chip Davis wrote: And I guess Scott has the honor of the last IBMVM problem solved by Alan as a developer... :-/ I hope Alan enjoys the deeper, more direct experience he's going to have with us. If it weren't for all the traveling... -Chip- -- James Bohnsack (972) 596-6377 home/office (972) 342-5823 cell
