Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Although the mystery seems to be solved now, I've got a package on the VM download page that provides you with a Query AUTOuser CP command, that shows you the autologger for an user id. See http://www.vm.ibm.com/download/packages/descript.cgi?LCLQRY Ronald van der Laan
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. Actually, while this I think this was still true on his release (4.4), newer releases support the ON rdev/ldev option on XAUTOLOG, so you *can* fire up an ID on a terminal. But my real purpose for writing this is to note that Phillip's question really isn't a newbie question -- a newbie wouldn't worry about an unknown ID, as (s)he would be too afraid to touch anything. He gets full marks for being a Real Sysprog and saying It's on my system, I need to know what it does, damnit! And as usual, this list gets full points for engaging several millennia of VM experience to throw out breadcrumbs until the answer was found, without a single snarky remark. Would that other lists (mumble*ibm-main*mumble) were so mature and professional...! ...phsiii
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And as usual, this list gets full points for engaging several millennia of VM experience to throw out breadcrumbs until the answer was found, without a single snarky remark. Would that other lists (mumble*ibm-main*mumble) were so mature and professional...! Yes - High marks all around. Thank you everyone for your input. I did contact our CE and yes, he is still getting daily updates from the Service Director. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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Now that you mention it, I remember that a recent release of VM added that ON option to the autolog command. I submitted a request for that enhancement back in the late 70's. :) Phil Smith III wrote: Stephen Frazier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. Actually, while this I think this was still true on his release (4.4), newer releases support the ON rdev/ldev option on XAUTOLOG, so you *can* fire up an ID on a terminal. But my real purpose for writing this is to note that Phillip's question really isn't a newbie question -- a newbie wouldn't worry about an unknown ID, as (s)he would be too afraid to touch anything. He gets full marks for being a Real Sysprog and saying It's on my system, I need to know what it does, damnit! And as usual, this list gets full points for engaging several millennia of VM experience to throw out breadcrumbs until the answer was found, without a single snarky remark. Would that other lists (mumble*ibm-main*mumble) were so mature and professional...! ...phsiii -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Phillip, Does SERVICE have its console spooled? does OPERATOR have its console spooled? you can look at Operator's console to see when it was logged on and perhaps by whom. you can look at Service's console and perhaps see what it has been doing while logged on. Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? more information would help good luck Bill Munson VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 President MVMUA http://www2.marist.edu/~mvmua/ *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
SERVICE machine is kind of synonymous with a VM userid. Service refers to more of a task that it does rather than an actual machine named SERVICE. I always considered them to be long running users. For instance, we use DB2, which runs 24/7, hence it is a service that is always running. There might be a technical/official definition, but that's how I've always looked at it. TCPIP might be considered a service machine as well. Steve G. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: newbie question - SERVICE machine what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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I think he said he had an actual machine called SERVICE logged on to a physical address. at least that is the way I read his note - but then I am an old man - and forgetful ;-) munson Gentry, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 12:47 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine SERVICE machine is kind of synonymous with a VM userid. Service refers to more of a task that it does rather than an actual machine named ?SERVICE?. I always considered them to be long running users. For instance, we use DB2, which runs 24/7, hence it is a service that is always running. There might be a technical/official definition, but that?s how I?ve always looked at it. TCPIP might be considered a service machine as well. Steve G. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: newbie question - SERVICE machine what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Where do you see it running? Can you issue a QUERY SERVICE or IND USER SERVICE and get some information back? Steve G. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:41 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: newbie question - SERVICE machine what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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yes, it is an actual machine called SERVICE. Ready; T=0.02/0.02 12:09:05 q na SERVICE - 0362, SP4 - DSC , etc. q service SERVICE - 0362 **Maint**; T=0.01/0.01 12:16:04 ind user service USERID=SERVICE MACH=XA STOR=16M VIRT=V XSTORE=NONE IPLSYS=CMS DEVNUM=7 PAGES: RES=0117 WS=0117 LOCK= RESVD= NPREF= PREF= READS=0017 WRITES=0005 XSTORE=00 READS=01 WRITES=01 MIGRATES=00 CPU 00: CTIME=25:22 VTIME=000:00 TTIME=000:01 IO=000457 RDR=000282 PRT=00 PCH=00 **Maint**; T=0.01/0.01 12:16:15 ok, it sound like this is not a CMS machine that every VM shop has running. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:02:47 PM: I think he said he had an actual machine called SERVICE logged on to a physical address. at least that is the way I read his note - but then I am an old man - and forgetful ;-) munson
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Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box. Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 11:41 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject newbie question - SERVICE machine what is the SERVICE machine for? i don't see it started in AUTOLOG1, yet there it is running. and it is not running disconnected, but on a terminal address. a look at its PROFILE EXEC doesn't reveal anything. searching on 'service' in the CP Planning and Admin book has so many hits that i gave up and turned to the VM list. what does it do? where does it get started? can it run disconnected? the underlying issue is that i want to remove a 3174 controller and it is using one of the addresses. do i need to give it an address on my OSA-ICC? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
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does OPERATOR have its console spooled? you can look at Operator's console to see when it was logged on and perhaps by whom. i just IPLed VM yesterday (this is zVM 4.4) and i looked thru the OPERATOR ouput since the ipl and don't see where SERVICE got started. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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here is the USER DIRECT entry for SERVICE: * USER SERVICE SMILE 16M 32M ABCDEFG LOGONBY MAINT PRGRAMLY MACHINE XA AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT ACCOUNT VOLTSEP IBMCE IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR OPTION QUICKD SHARE RELATIVE 1000 CONSOLE 009 3215 SPOOL 00C 2540 READER A SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 00E 1403 A LINK MAINT 190 190 RR LINK MAINT 19E 19E RR MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR A6SOLLA UK21OYS SBYNIM1 * i'll take a look at TRACK - thanks for the tip. would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:22:19 PM: Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Bill, Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? no, no machine called AUDITOR started in AUTOLOG1. i logged on to SERVICE. it has a file called LASTING GLOBALV on 191. that file has a recent update date and time - today just 30 minutes ago. here is a sample of the contents: $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICESENDFILENEW TYPE NOFILELIST NOLOG NOACK $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC does that give any clues? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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Phillip, From MAINT or some userid with LNKNOPAS privilege: VMLINK SERVICE 191 and look at SERVICE's PROFILE EXEC. Its PROFILE EXEC comments might tell you if it's home-grown or a vendor's and what it's meant to do. Let us know what you find. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:21 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine yes, it is an actual machine called SERVICE. Ready; T=0.02/0.02 12:09:05 q na SERVICE - 0362, SP4 - DSC , etc. q service SERVICE - 0362 **Maint**; T=0.01/0.01 12:16:04 ind user service USERID=SERVICE MACH=XA STOR=16M VIRT=V XSTORE=NONE IPLSYS=CMS DEVNUM=7 PAGES: RES=0117 WS=0117 LOCK= RESVD= NPREF= PREF= READS=0017 WRITES=0005 XSTORE=00 READS=01 WRITES=01 MIGRATES=00 CPU 00: CTIME=25:22 VTIME=000:00 TTIME=000:01 IO=000457 RDR=000282 PRT=00 PCH=00 **Maint**; T=0.01/0.01 12:16:15 ok, it sound like this is not a CMS machine that every VM shop has running. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:02:47 PM: I think he said he had an actual machine called SERVICE logged on to a physical address. at least that is the way I read his note - but then I am an old man - and forgetful ;-) munson
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you appear to have posted the logon and link passwords for a high privilege userid in public. I suggest you change them immediately. Peter -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 7, 2008 13:32 To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine here is the USER DIRECT entry for SERVICE: * USER SERVICE SMILE 16M 32M ABCDEFG LOGONBY MAINT PRGRAMLY MACHINE XA AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT ACCOUNT VOLTSEP IBMCE IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR OPTION QUICKD SHARE RELATIVE 1000 CONSOLE 009 3215 SPOOL 00C 2540 READER A SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 00E 1403 A LINK MAINT 190 190 RR LINK MAINT 19E 19E RR MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR A6SOLLA UK21OYS SBYNIM1 * i'll take a look at TRACK - thanks for the tip. would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:22:19 PM: Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box. The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review retransmission dissemination or other use of or taking any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient or delegate is strictly prohibited. If you received this in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. The integrity and security of this message cannot be guaranteed on the Internet. The sender accepts no liability for the content of this e-mail or for the consequences of any actions taken on the basis of information provided. The recipient should check this e-mail and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The sender accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this e-mail. This disclaimer is property of the TTC and must not be altered or circumvented in any manner.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
First, a good rule of thumb is to not broadcast the password for any of your userids in a public forum (i.e Here). Always replace the password with eight ³X²s and keep them secret. If you replaced the actual password with ³SMILE², then the use of eight ³X²s would keep paranoid people like me quiet... The same is true for the passwords on the minidisk Second, You have the terminal address where SERVICE is logged in; Do you know where this terminal is? Might there be someone sitting there, that could shed light on what the account is used for? Being fully privileged, no one should walk away from it leaving it logged in or unlocked in some way; this is a huge security risk for your system. This account seems to be linked with the accounts ³VAUTOLG1, VOP1 and VMAINT... Are these possibly accounts used to build a ³virtual², or second-level z/VM system? Could this be what the SERVICE machine is used for? If you¹re the systems programmer for the system, and you don¹t know what the account is used for, then one very sure way to find out would be to change the password and see who runs into your office. No amount of research can replace a good, well placed denial of service. -- Robert P. Nix Mayo Foundation.~. RO-OE-5-55 200 First Street SW/V\ 507-284-0844 Rochester, MN 55905 /( )\ -^^-^^ In theory, theory and practice are the same, but in practice, theory and practice are different. On 4/7/08 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is the USER DIRECT entry for SERVICE: * USER SERVICE 16M 32M ABCDEFG LOGONBY MAINT PRGRAMLY MACHINE XA AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT ACCOUNT VOLTSEP IBMCE IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR OPTION QUICKD SHARE RELATIVE 1000 CONSOLE 009 3215 SPOOL 00C 2540 READER A SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 00E 1403 A LINK MAINT 190 190 RR LINK MAINT 19E 19E RR MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR * i'll take a look at TRACK - thanks for the tip. would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:22:19 PM: Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
The clue left here is: AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT That says that the userids AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT can AUTOLOG SERVICE without a password. Google did not turn up anything for VAUTOLG1, and the one VMAINT was in a Domino manual and not obviously applicable. Was there anything else on the 191 disk beside the PROFILE EXEC? Does the PRGRAMLY in the LOGONBY look familiar? Are there directory entries for VAUTOLG1, VOP1, or VMAINT? Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 12:32 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine here is the USER DIRECT entry for SERVICE: * USER SERVICE SMILE 16M 32M ABCDEFG LOGONBY MAINT PRGRAMLY MACHINE XA AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT ACCOUNT VOLTSEP IBMCE IPL CMS PARM AUTOCR OPTION QUICKD SHARE RELATIVE 1000 CONSOLE 009 3215 SPOOL 00C 2540 READER A SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A SPOOL 00E 1403 A LINK MAINT 190 190 RR LINK MAINT 19E 19E RR MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR A6SOLLA UK21OYS SBYNIM1 * i'll take a look at TRACK - thanks for the tip. would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 12:22:19 PM: Phillip, Looking in the USER DIRECT distributed with z/VM 5.3.0 there is no userid called SERVICE. What release of VM are you running? It seems that some application installed at your site defined the userid SERVICE. Can you check the directory entry for SERVICE to see what minidisks it owns and the LINK to them to see what's on them (besides the PROFILE EXEC)? Checking to see what it is doing can also be done with the TRACK command. You can download and install TRACK from: http://vm.marist.edu/track/code.html Once you begin using TRACK you won't ever want to run a z/VM system without it. It should be in every serious z/VM System Programmer's tool box. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
It looks like the SERVICE is running and looking for input from the RDR queue Two things I did notice MDISK 191 3390 2183 005 220W01 MR A6SOLLA UK21OYS SBYNIM1 the mdisk statement tells me this has been a round since VM/ESA 2.2.0 - I would bet. and it looks like it might be logged on by one of these users AUTOLOG VAUTOLG1 VOP1 VMAINT I would wonder what is being logged on by AUTOLOG1 I can not believe that the Operator console does not show it being logged on anywhere Is the terminal address in your SYSTEM CONFIG as an operator console? WOW Bill Munson VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 01:39 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Bill, Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? no, no machine called AUDITOR started in AUTOLOG1. i logged on to SERVICE. it has a file called LASTING GLOBALV on 191. that file has a recent update date and time - today just 30 minutes ago. here is a sample of the contents: $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICESENDFILENEW TYPE NOFILELIST NOLOG NOACK $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC does that give any clues? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Hello Phillip, There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). We shut it down a couple years back and I removed it. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:40 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Bill, Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? no, no machine called AUDITOR started in AUTOLOG1. i logged on to SERVICE. it has a file called LASTING GLOBALV on 191. that file has a recent update date and time - today just 30 minutes ago. here is a sample of the contents: $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICESENDFILENEW TYPE NOFILELIST NOLOG NOACK $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC does that give any clues? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
Its PROFILE EXEC comments might tell you if it?s home-grown or a vendor?s and what it?s meant to do. i looked at SERVICE profile exec: CONTROL OFF CP TERM MODE VM CP SET MSG OFF CP SET WNG ON CP SET EMSG ON CP SET RUN ON CP SPOOL READER CLASS * CP SPOOL CONSOLE CLOSE CP SPOOL PUNCH CLOSE CP SPOOL PRINTER CLOSE EXIT no comments - fairly pedestrian. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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the best piece of advice I have seen is this one: If you?re the systems programmer for the system, and you don?t know what the account is used for, then one very sure way to find out would be to change the password and see who runs into your office. No amount of research can replace a good, well placed denial of service. Something will break or someone will yell - either way you will know. - and change the password to NOLOG - and change the passwords to the MDISK also good luck Bill Munson VM System Programmer 201-418-7588 Edward M. Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 01:53 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Hello Phillip, There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). We shut it down a couple years back and I removed it. Ed Martin 330-588-4723 ext 40441 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:40 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Bill, Does AUTOLOG1 log on a SVM called AUDITOR by chance? no, no machine called AUDITOR started in AUTOLOG1. i logged on to SERVICE. it has a file called LASTING GLOBALV on 191. that file has a recent update date and time - today just 30 minutes ago. here is a sample of the contents: $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICESENDFILENEW TYPE NOFILELIST NOLOG NOACK $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC $SERVICERECEIVENOLOG OLDDATE NOTEBOOK ALL MINPROMPT NOKEEPCC does that give any clues? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL *** IMPORTANT NOTE* The opinions expressed in this message and/or any attachments are those of the author and not necessarily those of Brown Brothers Harriman Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates (BBH). There is no guarantee that this message is either private or confidential, and it may have been altered by unauthorized sources without your or our knowledge. Nothing in the message is capable or intended to create any legally binding obligations on either party and it is not intended to provide legal advice. BBH accepts no responsibility for loss or damage from its use, including damage from virus.
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Was there anything else on the 191 disk beside the PROFILE EXEC? just the LASTING GLOBALV file and a IND$FILE MODULE from 1995. i wonder if this was for uploading/downloading source to/from a PC a long time ago. Does the PRGRAMLY in the LOGONBY look familiar? yes - that is my CMS userid. Are there directory entries for VAUTOLG1, VOP1, or VMAINT? the only one in USER DIRECT is VMAINT. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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Its not your EREP machine by any chance is it? Look in SYSTEM CONFIG and/or do a QUERY RECORDING. no it's not EREP. q recording RECORDINGCOUNT LMT USERID COMMUNICATION EREP ON 002 EREP ACTIVE ACCOUNT OFF 020 DISKACNT ACTIVE SYMPTOM ON 002 OPERSYMP ACTIVE prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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the mdisk statement tells me this has been a round since VM/ESA 2.2.0 - I would bet. the previous SPs have carved up the old 220W01 into minidisks for various things. the label never got changed. so no telling how old SERVICE actually is. Is the terminal address in your SYSTEM CONFIG as an operator console? yes. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine
There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). we've never had EMC disk. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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There used to be a PC type device called an IBM Service Director that you could send erep records to. The DIST IBMCE seems to be a clue. Maybe you still have one, particularly if you are a big shop with on site CE coverage. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:18 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). we've never had EMC disk. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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My vote's for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Quay, Jonathan (IHG) Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:26 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine There used to be a PC type device called an IBM Service Director that you could send erep records to. The DIST IBMCE seems to be a clue. Maybe you still have one, particularly if you are a big shop with on site CE coverage. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:18 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine There was an EMC service machine called SERVICE here that was started by the Operator to send info to EMC support (IIRC). we've never had EMC disk. prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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no, SERVICE is not listed as a System Userid: System_Userids , Operator OPERATOR disconnect , Account DISKACNT , Dump OPERATNS , Erep EREP prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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No. After your IPL someone at the terminal 362 typed in a logon command for SERVICE. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: would it be restarted after an IPL just because it was running when i shutdown? yes, it is an actual machine called SERVICE. Ready; T=0.02/0.02 12:09:05 q na SERVICE - 0362, SP4 - DSC , etc. -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
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My vote?s for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote’s for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
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IBM's Service Director PC did log itself into VM via a 'terminal': PC had a cable into a 3172? controller and looked like 'terminal' from VM's viewpoint. hence, SERVICE - 0362 This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Frazier Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:53 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote's for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
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Exactly The Service Director should automatically begin uploading to itself the RDR files from CMS Userid IBMSVCDR when it is ready. You shouldn't have to XAUTOLOG IBMSVCDR, the Service Director itself will do that. It could have been customized to bypass the VM LOGO screen by automating an Enter and then entering LOGON IBMSVCDR itself, followed by whatever command is needed to start the process. Romanowski, John (OFT) wrote: IBM's Service Director PC did log itself into VM via a 'terminal': PC had a cable into a 3172? controller and looked like 'terminal' from VM's viewpoint. hence, SERVICE - 0362 This e-mail, including any attachments, may be confidential, privileged or otherwise legally protected. It is intended only for the addressee. If you received this e-mail in error or from someone who was not authorized to send it to you, do not disseminate, copy or otherwise use this e-mail or its attachments. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and delete the e-mail from your system. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephen Frazier Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:53 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote's for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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IBM's Service Director PC did log itself into VM via a 'terminal': PC had a cable into a 3172? controller and looked like 'terminal' from VM's viewpoint. hence, SERVICE - 0362 If I remember that product correctly, an automated process on an outboard PC logged in and periodically ran a number of commands and stored the output in the outboard PC for retrieval by remote support personnel, both IBM and customer. There was a OS/2 GUI widget you could use to grab a dashboard-like display of multiple systems, and get a quick picture of a whole complex. It had both TSO and CMS options. Most of the implementations I remember were to allow IBM remote support people to get info without actually allowing them to directly log in to a live system. It also bypassed some limitations in the support processor remote access code.
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Looking at the ACCOUNT record/entry gives a bit of a clue since it says IBMCE. I tend to agree with one of the other posters that it was setup for sending EREP records to a PC. I remember setting up a user for this purpose a long time ago. I don't remember what the userid was. Someone else made a comment about the RDR seems to be ready to receive seems to be ready to accept input sometimes referred to as a hot RDR. It seems EREP could be set up to send data to the userid and then it got sent to a PC. I don't remember if the PC woke up every so often, connected to SERVICE in this case, got the data and then logged off. The PC then processed the records based on some criteria and I think could even page the CE if something was critical. I guess it was the precursor to the HMC function. Steve From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 2:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine My vote's for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL
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so is this obsolete? since we have a 2096 with an HMC, can this PC 350 in the corner be decommissioned? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 01:58:45 PM: Looking at the ACCOUNT record/entry gives a bit of a clue since it says IBMCE. I tend to agree with one of the other posters that it was setup for sending EREP records to a PC. I remember setting up a user for this purpose a long time ago. I don?t remember what the userid was. Someone else made a comment about the RDR seems to be ready to receive seems to be ready to accept input sometimes referred to as a hot RDR. It seems EREP could be set up to send data to the userid and then it got sent to a PC. I don?t remember if the PC woke up every so often, connected to SERVICE in this case, got the data and then logged off. The PC then processed the records based on some criteria and I think could even page the CE if something was critical. I guess it was the precursor to the HMC function. Steve
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That is sort of true, XAUTOLOG and have a user logon to a terminal .. that is relativly new, but I think it was in 4.4. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Frazier Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:53 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine Not possible. A command must come from the terminal to log the user on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My vote’s for IBM Service Director. I remember setting that up last century for our CE. would Service Director be set up to log itself on to a 'terminal' ? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL -- Stephen Frazier Information Technology Unit Oklahoma Department of Corrections 3400 Martin Luther King Oklahoma City, Ok, 73111-4298 Tel.: (405) 425-2549 Fax: (405) 425-2554 Pager: (405) 690-1828 email: stevef%doc.state.ok.us
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Decommissioning is entirely between your CE and your site. Ask your CE if he/she has other ways to obtain hardware error information instead of this old application. If so (and probably) then he/she will probably not care. And you'll save a little electrical power, too! Mike Walter Hewitt Associates Any opinions expressed herein are mine alone and do not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of Hewitt Associates. P.S. We had one of these things connected to our z/OS system, and now that my memory has been freshened, I used to SENDFILE the VM EREP data to a TSO userid on a separate z/OS system which was logged on by a similar PC to read it and append to the file created by z/OS. The CE had a somewhat pictorial view, and error records for problem hardware. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 04/07/2008 02:25 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: newbie question - SERVICE machine so is this obsolete? since we have a 2096 with an HMC, can this PC 350 in the corner be decommissioned? prg Phillip Gramly Systems Programmer Communications Data Group Champaign, IL Mike Walter Work: 847.771.9212 Cell: 847.778.1373 Home: 847.949.4914 The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU wrote on 04/07/2008 01:58:45 PM: Looking at the ACCOUNT record/entry gives a bit of a clue since it says IBMCE. I tend to agree with one of the other posters that it was setup for sending EREP records to a PC. I remember setting up a user for this purpose a long time ago. I don?t remember what the userid was. Someone else made a comment about the RDR seems to be ready to receive seems to be ready to accept input sometimes referred to as a hot RDR. It seems EREP could be set up to send data to the userid and then it got sent to a PC. I don?t remember if the PC woke up every so often, connected to SERVICE in this case, got the data and then logged off. The PC then processed the records based on some criteria and I think could even page the CE if something was critical. I guess it was the precursor to the HMC function. Steve The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
