RE: [IceHorses] What Gait - Kopar
These pics might be too far away to see very well...will try to get closer ones if that would help. I think I responded earlier, but in all of these pictures, I believe that Kopar is saddle-rack-y. The last one (#9), MIGHT be slightly toward step pace, but all definitely show a soft gait, slightly lateral. (I think!) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait - Starri
So is a step pace a type of rack? Janice thought the first pic might be a type of rack. No, here's the progression: pace, step pace, rack/saddle rack, running walk, foxtrot, trot. So looking at it that way, step pace and rack might be called "adjacent" gaits, both with some lateral influence. There are some "moments in time" that can be sort of a grey area. >>> Did you see Kopar's pics? All my posts are coming in out of order. Yes, and I THINK I responded to at least one, but my mail is coming in so randomly that I'm confused too! I'll go look and see if I did. This is just crazy - some of my posts are almost two days old by the time they show up, while others are coming right in. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Horse or Pony now Southern Sayins'
> > > here's my favorite "well, butter my buns and call them biscuits!" > HAHA! raven I have *never* heard that and I'm southern born (half southern bred, the other half is California ;) and redneck raised... Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
[IceHorses] Re: Horse or Pony now Southern Sayins'
> > here's my favorite "well, butter my buns and call them biscuits!" HAHA! raven > I love "happier than a tick on a fat dog" and "busier than a 3- legged > cat in a litterbox"! I am rather fond of the expression from the animated movie "Cars". "I am happier than a tornado in a trailer park"
Re: [IceHorses] Series of gait pics - Tifa
trot, rw. Trot in forst pic, and then rw i think! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Starri
On 1/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think the only one Janice and I seriously disagree on is the one I think > is trot - and I'm standing my ground on that one! :) Seriously, it can be > difficult to tell in SOME pictures, but looking at them helps train our > eyes, even when we miss something. Even Lee Ziegler, THE gait expert, used > to comment on it being difficult to see it all in a single still picture. > It's not perfect, but it's a start. > one of the few gaits I can really recognize is a trot, so i must have thought the legs were on the -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] New Here
Hello, I'm new here. I'm a junior member and don't have any icelandics but I am very passionate about the breed and natural horsemanship. Welcome to the list, icyhugger5 - do you have a name? :) What sort of Natural horsemanship do you practice - any particular "flavor"? >>> You all seem to get in alot of arguments here, I hope I don't end up in one. ;) Just saying hi. :) We try not to argue TOO much, but we do care very much about our horses. :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
In Arizona when we ran trail rides all the lead horses ground-tied because we often had to get off and adjust a girth or pick up a water bottle and the trails were narrow enough in some areas that you couldn't lead your horse back along the string. The cowboys ground-tied by dropping the reins but they used split reins so the horse wasn't going to step through the reins and get caught although they could still step on one and yank their mouth. I taught my pony to "Stay" like a dog and just left the reins in the normal position. I suppose you could also teach the "Stand on the Mat" exercise and take a small, bright, piece of plastic along as a mat? Hanging the reins over an ear works for me too! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
Beautiful!! Raven
Re: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've been thinking about this for a while, and I finally did it. I don't > recommend this as a money-saver - it cost me ALMOST as much as a new Skito > pad would have, but it satisfied my creative urget o get Sina a "girly" > saddle pad. Also, my sewing machine isn't really made to sew 3/8" wool felt > and I hope I didn't damage it. What kind of fabric did you make the top out of? Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and I finally did it. I don't > recommend this as a money-saver - it cost me ALMOST as much as a new Skito > pad would have, but it satisfied my creative urget o get Sina a "girly" > saddle pad. Also, my sewing machine isn't really made to sew 3/8" wool felt > and I hope I didn't damage it. Very pretty! I think you should send this pic to Tom so he can add some new fabrics! There's a big market for "sissy" pads out there :-) Trish "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's a good idea. We'll add that too. Mounting from boulders, stumps, > sloping hillsides, whatever we can find. Of course, you're invited too. You > could teach the ground tying part! And, mounting from those sewer line manhole things. We have some that are at least 3' tall that I can step onto Shogun. Most horses are frightened of them and it always suprises people that he'll sidepass right up to one for me to mount. He *has* to do something, since I'm little and he's so big for me to get on! Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
She's going to feel even more like a Princess in that classy pad! Cherie "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On Sun, Jan 14, 2007 at 12:25:44PM -0600, Raven wrote: > >> i recall there being a lot of resistance here on this list to the > idea that i was going to be putting a lot of kids on my icey; that he > would be a bad choice for that b/c of his breed > > I think what upsets some of us, was the fact that you never gave that > horse a chance to adjust to his new home. To settle down, get used to > the routine, give him time to get ot know you, and you know him. You > got him home and threw him into work, right away. if i'd felt he needed it at the time, i'd have waited until he seemed ready. he adapted very fast. the worse version was when i moved him to his current barn, and the owner has a way of "introducing" horses that kept stjarni stall-bound for most of several days, and he stocked up and was (relatively) excitable under saddle. frankly, he did better being chucked in at the deep end. > And you wanted to > use him as a 3 gaited lesson horse. Had this been me, I would have > gotten a POA, who is 3 gaited. This had nothing to do with the fact > that Stjarni is an IcePony. I believe I would have felt the same if > you had gotten a TWH to use for a walk, trot, canter lesson program. i tried some poa's (my childhood pony was a poa and i love them), but it was stjarni **as an individual** who i thought would be a great, safe lesson horse. i mostly ended up using him as a one-gaited lesson horse, to be honest, that gait being walk. i didn't keep trying to use him for trotting when it became clear that that was difficult. he canters beautifully and readily, and as soon as he got the voice command for that i felt comfortable teaching people to canter on him. (i told them not to care what gait he picked it up from; they were just to sit it regardless of whether he trotted or tolted along the way.) > IMHO..you were very unfair to that poor little pony! And I hope those > "words" speak to you. i was there, and you were not. i can see how you might think this, and tell this story to yourself. but i watched stjarni like a hawk every step of the way, made sure he was never uncomfortable, never unhappy, in his actual expression of himself. and i don't think that's unfair. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] This is so cute
Aw!!! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
On 1/17/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It IS a good idea isn't it? I should try that with my guysI have > a phobia about having my reins touch the ground at all. Me too... I developed mine when I discovered that replacing my reins would be almost $200. I found them on a $10 table at a tack yard sale. ;) I was careful before, but now I rarely leave the reins unattended on the horse. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
On 1/17/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anytime! My email may not have posted but you all are welcome to do > Cherie's "clinic" here as well... Can I come play even though I don't have an Icey, and right now ride a 16hh horse? >bg< My friend has a halflinger/Morgan, so at least one of the two of us would have a pony. I can't afford a trailer, but have a truck to tow with, so she's buying a trailer so we can take the horses places. Her pony is a rescue and she just wants to trail ride him. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
RE: [IceHorses] Video clips
Gat is a great little horse--I know her gaits aren't perfect but other than that I trust her with my girls and she seems to like them better than adults. V Gaits aren't everything, Virginia, and I'm glad you see that, and I hope you understand that I do too. You have kids that love their pony and a pony who seems happy with them. Past that you do the best you can...and it looks like their best is getting better all the time. What can be better than that? :) Keep sending the pics and videos - as I've said before they bring back a lot of good memories for me. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
Those of us in NC should get together and do a little workshop on useful > skills for trail horses. This can include: ground tying, sidepass, > backing, > mounting from either side, and if anyone is interested in > camping-hobbling, > tying to a picket line or highline, etc.. > > Cherie > >that would be cool! and mounting from weird/spooky >objects. >Janice Janice, That's a good idea. We'll add that too. Mounting from boulders, stumps, sloping hillsides, whatever we can find. Of course, you're invited too. You could teach the ground tying part! Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
Karen Thomas wrote: > BTW, it's time to start thinking about riding in Tryon (with Trish!), going > to Dupont Forest, to Blowing Rock... this winter weather won't last forever > you know. Anytime! My email may not have posted but you all are welcome to do Cherie's "clinic" here as well... Trish
Re: [IceHorses] more of Hneta
>> Raven she is for sale! Darn! I don;t need another horse. <:[ How old is she? and what is her color? she's so pretty, they all are! raven
Re: [IceHorses] Imported or Domestic
>>I'm Icelandic...purebred...though I'm not registered. :) But are you imported or domestic bred?HA! Raven ~:0]
Re: [IceHorses] Latta Park
Yes, thanks so much for the saddle pad. Renee
Re: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and I finally did it. I think you did a great job! I've been thinking of it myself--having different covers for different moods--animal prints, sparkles, sequins, seasonal themes, etc V
Re: [IceHorses] Our ride at Latta Park
I am in NC. It was 70 degrees here on Sunday and now it is 37. We have a lot of swings in temps here. Renee
RE: [IceHorses] Lesson Horse
I would like to ride Gat but my instructor says she doesn't have a balanced canter yet so for now I should ride a 'tried and true' lesson horse. So, I'll see how it goes--play it by ear. But even that shows some sort of concern for the horse - or maybe it does. I've known of a trainer or two who would pull out a certain horse for introducing riders to canter, because the horse had such a good canter. And one would only teach leg yield on another horse, using the horses for what they were good at. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I've been thinking about this for a while, and I finally did it. Karen - That's really pretty! Good job -- Laree
Re: [IceHorses] bucking
On 1/16/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > My husband says he saw the whole thing and as soon as I hit the ground > stonewall jumped away from me to keep from stepping on me and hurried to > Traveller and put his head down into Travellers flank like he was scared and > humbled. When he caught him he said he was shaking and when all the people > gathered round he was scared and like he knew he had done something wrong > and that whatever it was it was BIG. > > Hmm, are you sure about which is the cause and which is the effect? Maybe > he bucked you off because he was scared/overwhelmed/overloaded/whatever, not > the other way...? > > Karen Thomas > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > he may have perceived he was being attacked from the rear and felt it was his job, as it is at home, to protect Travellers flank. I don't know... all i know is I have made mistakes with him and have to rethink a lot of stuff... I dont want to ruin him, or give up. He is too wonderful to let him go, especially now when he is not at his best. When people dont work thru issues and sell their problems to other people, then the horse suffers, ends up at auction and sold to people who will want to beat some sense into him etc. I aint letting that happen to my Walls! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Lesson Horse
On 1/17/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is Alex still on the list? No--she looks at photos occasionally but not often. V
RE: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
>>> You are so generous to keep offering to host these things I would love that and you are in a good central location for most of us. I would be glad to do any of the coordination work or fix meals or clean stalls, etc Well, Laree, the way I see it is that most of YOU live in the mountains where the really good trails and summer riding is...I'm just trying to get a little ahead, so we can impose on you all later! :) BTW, it's time to start thinking about riding in Tryon (with Trish!), going to Dupont Forest, to Blowing Rock... this winter weather won't last forever you know. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] New Here
Hi...welcome to the list! Do you have any horses? Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn, the American Ice Pony Dixie Chick, the Mini Barn Goddess Western WI, USA, Planet Earth
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
On 1/17/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > oh Virginia that is so sweet. > > I wasn't trying to score brownie (yum) points--but with the fur, your > expression, the horse--you look like a movie star! > V > > ohmyGOSH. Now you have made my day for sure! janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 07:39:25PM -0400, Virginia Tupper wrote: > On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > and he didn't move a foot although he did > > turn his head to watch me. usually he just follows me around. > > > I've seen them do that at the farm where I bought my horsesI > should try hanging the rein on Gat's ear, then maybe she won't follow > me either. try it! surprised me that it worked that well :) i'd done it before to check his hind feet on the trail when he was newly barefoot and a little ouchy, but i was amazed that i could get 100 feet away without stjarni budging one step. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] bucking
can you resend the balance rein pdf Robyn? I cant find it anywhere! janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
> I've seen them do that at the farm where I bought my horsesI > should try hanging the rein on Gat's ear, then maybe she won't follow > me either. > V It IS a good idea isn't it? I should try that with my guysI have a phobia about having my reins touch the ground at all. Wanda
[IceHorses] Centered Riding at Holar
This looks like a good clinic! Trish http://www.anatomyinmotion.com/fschedule.htm
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Starri
Karen Thomas wrote: > I think the only one Janice and I seriously disagree on is the one I think > is trot - and I'm standing my ground on that one! :) > So is a step pace a type of rack? Janice thought the first pic might be a type of rack. Did you see Kopar's pics? All my posts are coming in out of order. Trish
RE: [IceHorses] Panting
Hi Janice, >could you steer us to where we might read the article or at least sort >of give us the gist of it? When I first got involved with Icelandics I was told by numerous people, including Dr. Isenbugel who was the head vet at the Zurich Zoo and one of the first to have Icelandics in Switzerland, that Icelandics would pant when they were hot and so their respiration would be inverted. At that time, inverted respiration was considered a big problem. I am pretty sure that John Parke has said not true but that is what we were told. The belief was that Icelandic had narrower windpipes to warm the air going into their lungs. Now I really don’t know what is true because it is no colder in Iceland than in lots of places in the world. Didn’t we hear that about Fjords or something? I have experienced panting in Icelandics but their recovery was fast but it was mostly in context of heat – especially if they were hairy. Just some thoughts…. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com _ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [IceHorses] This is so cute
> Is these sleepy creature yours? No, this is just a photo forwarded to me but it was too sweet to not share -- Laree
RE: [IceHorses] ground tying
Hi Vicka, > i discovered, more or less accidentally, that stjarni ground-ties if you >hang your reins over one of his ears. Most horses from Iceland are taught to ‘ground tie’ by putting a rein over one ear. It is quite handy and actually safer than leaving the reins hanging on the ground. I do find it amusing that many Icelanders teach them to ground tie like this – pretty safe and makes sense to me and yet it is not uncommon to see them tie the horse up by the reins. At least when we first had Icelanders coming over here in the 70’s and early 80’s we were constantly telling them they shouldn’t tie the horses up by the reins and they thought we were nutty : ) Just funny how a context can be so different…. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com _ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Horse or Pony now Southern Sayins'
Raven wrote: >>> it is a southern phrase i think. Like southern things such as: >>> > > > here's my favorite "well, butter my buns and call them biscuits!" HAHA! raven I love "happier than a tick on a fat dog" and "busier than a 3-legged cat in a litterbox"! Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Horse or Pony
>> it is a southern phrase i think. Like southern things such as: here's my favorite "well, butter my buns and call them biscuits!" HAHA! raven
Re: [IceHorses] Gat and Alex
On 1/15/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It looks to me like Gat and Alex are getting to be a great team. That > didn't happen overnight, though, did it? Their relationship grew over the past year--Gat trusts Alex and Alex trusts Gat. I love watching them together. I want that bond with a horse--maybe it will come with Orri, we'll see. V
Re: [IceHorses] 'people playing horse' was Parelli/training
On 1/17/07, Robyn Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And yet horses are supposed to know when we really mean a signal and when it > is a mistake. And it amazes me that horses can be so forgiving. V
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On 1/17/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm Icelandic...purebred...though I'm not registered. :) > LOL! That's funny! V
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
> As for Gudmar. He has forgotten more about Icelandic horses than most of > you will ever know. I am sorry for you, that you have to trash a man for > what he says not because he is wrong or un-knowledgeable but because you > don't like what he says or simply don't understand his culture If Gudmar > sat down with me to discuss horses I certainly would feel privileged and I > would sit-up and pay attention Hello Christopher, I don't know Gudmar, probably never will, and right now he's not even on my radar screen, but I still manage to fumble around gaining knowledge from regular horse trainers in my area. You don't need an Icelandic trainer to help you with issues with your horses. Icelandic horses need consistent, kind training just like any other horse (I say horse, but they ARE a pony breed). The gait thing can get complicated, but isn't impossible to work through. I think we can become passionate about these horses and can be drawn into the whole cultural aspect of them. And for some this is fine However, my experience has been that I needed to separate the horses from any cultural influence and just concentrate on good horsemanshipno matter what source. I use what works for me and right now I don't use one piece of Icelandic tack on any of my horses. None of it fits properly. I'm Icelandic...purebred...though I'm not registered. :) When someone starts throwing cultural hooey at me...I start asking questions. It's all about the horses for me, and always will be. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] more of Hneta
On 1/17/07, Ingvar Ragnarsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They all look so cute! V
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and he didn't move a foot although he did > turn his head to watch me. usually he just follows me around. I've seen them do that at the farm where I bought my horsesI should try hanging the rein on Gat's ear, then maybe she won't follow me either. V
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
> I wasn't trying to score brownie (yum) points--but with the fur, your > expression, the horse--you look like a movie star! > V You do! I just can't think of whobut that struck me when I saw that picture. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
On 1/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ground tying is pretty easy to teach i think! you just get them to > stand still and walk further and further away each time. > Janice I'm going to try that. When I walk away from Gat, she follows me though--so maybe if I walk away backwards? V
Re: [IceHorses] New Here
On 17/01/07, icyhugger5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, I'm new here. I'm a junior member and don't have any icelandics > but I am very passionate about the breed and natural horsemanship. You > all seem to get in alot of arguments here, I hope I don't end up in > one. ;) Just saying hi. :) Hello Icyhugger: Welcome. Where are you located? Or is that even kosher to ask a junior member? Don't answer me :)... Are you in Canada or the US? There, that's safer... Anyway, we promise to try be nice Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
On 1/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > oh Virginia that is so sweet. I wasn't trying to score brownie (yum) points--but with the fur, your expression, the horse--you look like a movie star! V
Re: [IceHorses] ground tying
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 10:22:00AM -0600, Janice McDonald wrote: > >>How do you teach ground tying? This would seem very useful on the trail > (or if I fall off :-) ).<< > > ground tying is pretty easy to teach i think! you just get them to > stand still and walk further and further away each time. i discovered, more or less accidentally, that stjarni ground-ties if you hang your reins over one of his ears. today this was very handy, i rode him back from a trail ride and all the way across the ring, then decided i needed to shut the gate. hung the reins, got off, walked a hundred feet away and did the gate, and he didn't move a foot although he did turn his head to watch me. usually he just follows me around. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] whoo hooo
On 1/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hey! it might snow! i am excited. > Janice We finally have winter here--and today it was -35 C wind chill factor! Br V
Re: [IceHorses] more of Hneta
On 1/16/07, Raven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what a little doll ~!when you tire of her, you can ship her to my > barn. <;] raven > Or mine! LOL V
Re: [IceHorses] New Here
On 1/17/07, icyhugger5 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, I'm new here. I'm a junior member and don't have any icelandics > but I am very passionate about the breed and natural horsemanship. You > all seem to get in alot of arguments here, I hope I don't end up in > one. ;) Just saying hi. :) > Hi! I think everyone on the list is very passionate about the breed too and I find this list is great to learn from--you can even learn from 'arguments'. :D V
Re: [IceHorses] whoo hooo
On 17/01/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hey! it might snow! i am excited. > Janice Hey! It's just sent the price of oranges through the roof. Someone offered oranges and ovaltine last weekI think I'll take you up on the offer now...:) Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Lesson Horse
On 1/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > she said no, a lesson horse > had to be one that would walk round and round and round until you told > it to stop. I believe the theory is that, if the horse goes round and round and is easy for a beginner, then the rider is able to pay more attention to their position and balance. For me, I decided not to ride Orri in my lesson because I need to practice without always worrying if I'm confusing him. I would like to ride Gat but my instructor says she doesn't have a balanced canter yet so for now I should ride a 'tried and true' lesson horse. So, I'll see how it goes--play it by ear. V
Re: [IceHorses] Latta Park
On 1/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Resting. She's gorgeous!! V
Re: [IceHorses] This is so cute
Laree ! Great photo! Is these sleepy creature yours? What breed? hard to see on their belly buttons... nice colors to I like palomino´s Malin
Re: [IceHorses] This is so cute
On 1/17/07, Laree Shulman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- > Laree > that is adorable Laree! janice
RE: [IceHorses] Was Holar, now evalutions
Hi Karen >And, I think an added advantage of having a couple of people from outside >the breed look at the horses is that people who don't deal with the details >of a breed on a day-to-day basis aren't as likely to get swept up in the >show trend du jour. Nor the who's who politics that go with every breed and every discipline. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
> > Sounds like a great idea to me. It sounds like several of us will be > getting together for the limb dissection - maybe that weekend? Eitill wants > to teach side-passing. :) > > Karen - You are so generous to keep offering to host these things I would love that and you are in a good central location for most of us. I would be glad to do any of the coordination work or fix meals or clean stalls, etc Thanks,Laree
RE: [IceHorses] 'people playing horse' was Parelli/training
Hi Cherie >It's a good way to understand training from the animal's point of view. If >a human who knows someone is trying to train them; already has a basic >understanding of clicker training; and for the most part, has an basic >understanding of human body language (some are clueless), still gets >frustrated during the training session, it really makes you think about how >hard it is for another species Yes, the Dolphin Training game has been around for a long time. Over the years we also made various interesting version of this ‘game’ – one when the pressure stopped only when the ‘horse’(person) did the right thing – we used a ringing bell for the pressure – such as when people run a horse in a round pen – when the person did the right thing the bell stopped. What was interesting, when I was the horse, I actually could not recognize when the bell stopped because I found it so stressful. We also used to do an exercise called 22 – 33 – 44 – one person gets up as the young untrained horse and the ‘trainer’ says 22 – when the person doesn’t respond we did various things like – say it louder, talk about how ‘stupid’ there were that they didn’t know what 22 was – threaten to use stick (not really but just pretending); so then you show the person what 22 is – could be something like turn in a circle – when they did it – give them a penny – repeat a couple of times to be sure they really know way 22 was – with a penny reward each time. Then onto 33 – which is a different, simple task. What is interesting is the various response you get from people – some will just stand there looking dazed, some will try anything, some will repeat 22. So then you show the person what 33 is and reward with money. So on to 44 which is sitting in a chair – go through the same steps and once they know what 44 is, you pause and take a nail and hold it point up on the chair and give the 44 command. Even at this point some people will try and sit around it, others just refuse to do anything – no matter how much you offer – either in punishment or reward. Of course at this point it must be direct disobedience because the ‘know’ what 44 is. The point of the exercise is to then ask – how many people have given their horse a ‘nail’. Most people kind of look around thinking they haven’t. I think most people have – a nail would be – a tight fitting saddle, a tight noseband, giving mixed signals to a horse, sitting out of balance, landing hard in the saddle after a jump or pulling mindlessly on the reins, using a whip or spurs indiscriminately - pretty much anything we do on a daily basis – sometimes without meaning to. And yet horses are supposed to know when we really mean a signal and when it is a mistake. It is an enlightening exercise and I have found that the more exercises people can experience as ‘being the horse’ the more empathetic it makes us as riders and less reactive. Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com ! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [IceHorses] What Gait - Starri
sorry... what I meant was I must have thought the "trot" legs were on the same side! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] bucking
My husband says he saw the whole thing and as soon as I hit the ground stonewall jumped away from me to keep from stepping on me and hurried to Traveller and put his head down into Travellers flank like he was scared and humbled. When he caught him he said he was shaking and when all the people gathered round he was scared and like he knew he had done something wrong and that whatever it was it was BIG. Hmm, are you sure about which is the cause and which is the effect? Maybe he bucked you off because he was scared/overwhelmed/overloaded/whatever, not the other way...? Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] Sina's Sissy Saddle Pad - don't try this at home!
I've been thinking about this for a while, and I finally did it. I don't recommend this as a money-saver - it cost me ALMOST as much as a new Skito pad would have, but it satisfied my creative urget o get Sina a "girly" saddle pad. Also, my sewing machine isn't really made to sew 3/8" wool felt and I hope I didn't damage it. Cary took one look at it and said it looked "sissy." That's just fine - he has a pad for his macho pony! :) Sina is a girly girl so she deserves a feminine saddle pad. I still think the Skito pads are worth the money! You're invited to view these photos online at KODAK EASYSHARE Gallery! Just click on View Photos to get started. http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.3w9ighwb&x=0&y=xv1mtt If you'd like to save this album, just sign in, or if you're new to the Gallery, create a free account. Once you've signed in, you'll be able to view this album whenever you want and order Kodak prints of your favorite photos. Enjoy! Instructions: Click view photos to begin. If you're an existing member you'll be asked to sign in. If not, you can join the Gallery for free. http://www.kodakgallery.com/Register.jsp Questions? Visit http://help.kodakgallery.com. EASYSHARE Gallery Customer Service Phone: (800) 360-9098 Outside the US and Canada: (512) 651-9770 If you cannot see the links above, copy and paste the following URL directly into your browser: http://www.kodakgallery.com/I.jsp?c=4jh0nhxz.3w9ighwb&x=0&y=xv1mtt "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] field trials
I cant wait to take an icelandic on a field trial. The guy who does the massage/acupressure for us is a very down-to-earth guy and he does a little field trialing. He said that he thought Icelandics would be great for the sport - compact, sure-footed, quick-enough but very sensible. He checked out Tivar about a week or two after I got him here. If you ever do take Tivar, let me know and I'll let him know. It's still not my thing though... :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Travelling Hollow
Hi Janice, >try a mullen mouth pelham Good suggestion. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood & Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com _ . -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.13/632 - Release Date: 1/16/2007 4:36 PM
Re: [IceHorses] field trials
--- Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They will all look > at me like oh brother, shes brought her dang > shetland pony out here, > and then when they see him move... it will be fun :) You know, I got all good feedback about Dari, I did get to take him on a couple of trail rides in the forest, people liked him, they were impressed at his gentle nature and thought their wives would ride a "pony" like that:) Kim
Re: [IceHorses] field trials
oh! and a lot of field trial people really VALUE shorter horses, cause you have to get on and off easily... my husbands Traveller is McCurdy and that is a breed that is known for field trialing and they are also a breed known for shortness :) My stonewall is half mccurdy and half hot modern TWH bloodline, just enough to make him taller and nuttier. sigh. I cant wait to take an icelandic on a field trial. They will all look at me like oh brother, shes brought her dang shetland pony out here, and then when they see him move... it will be fun :) Even Tivar, who is trotty, does a real flashy prancy ordinary walk and they will notice he is a gaited horse I think... and he can take the excitement I think. I would just have to get him in top condition. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Christopher / Horse, Pony?
Since I am on my soapbox. They are called Icelandic HORSES only because they are horses not ponies.. <<< Hi Christopher, could you explain how you come to the conclusion that the Icelandics are horses and not ponies? How do you, as an individual, define or separately categorize horses and ponies? Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
>>> Those of us in NC should get together and do a little workshop on useful skills for trail horses. This can include: ground tying, sidepass, backing, mounting from either side, and if anyone is interested in camping-hobbling, tying to a picket line or highline, etc.. Sounds like a great idea to me. It sounds like several of us will be getting together for the limb dissection - maybe that weekend? Eitill wants to teach side-passing. :) BTW, the taxidermist has been charging $85 to mount and preserve the dissected leg. I have no idea if that's a good price, but I guess you could shop around. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Energetic Training, Part 2
On 1/12/07, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > By Brandon Carpenter, Part 1 > > > This is Part 2: > Judy - Is there a Part 3? Laree
RE: Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
We are very pleased that someone like you purchased Skjoni from us. We are glad that he went to someone with the patience and ability to deal with his problems. Thank you Christopher, but let's get a few details straight. First, I don't think I bought Skjoni from you. I have no idea who you are. Maybe you were his prior owner, but I was told his prior owner was a woman - but maybe that was your wife? No matter, I guess. I bought Skjoni from Christine Schwartz of the Icelandic Horse Farm - literally from Robyn Hood I suppose, but I had my conversations about him with Christine. Skjoni was a consignment horse, so I had no contact at all with his prior owner, whoever it was. That being said the only reason you were able to purchase him at such a reduced rate.. because we certainly lost money on him was as brand new horse owners we did not have the knowledge or expertise to deal with his trust issues.. I don't know what customs you are used to in British Columbia (I assume you are in BC - I believe that's the only place Skjoni lived prior to us buying him), but in the southern part of the USA, we'd use the word "tacky" to consider discussing prices on a forum like this. So, I will not say what I paid for him - because it's no one's beeswax. But, he was not offered at a "reduced price." (Forgive me Robyn, I hope that's not too much information to give out.) I will say that his price was the same as virtually all the other just-started youngish geldings on the Icelandic Horse Farm site at that time - more than some. I pretty much paid "market value" for him. If you paid more for him and then let him get away...I feel sorry for you. . . It was so bad, at the end, that one breeder on this forum said that he should be euthanized Hmmm. They said that from your description of what he was doing? Coincidentally, I met someone who tried him at the Icelandic Horse Farm before we bought him, who met him not so long after he went there. She was very tempted to buy him because she liked him so much, but decided on an older horse instead I think. She was an older rider, who described herself as not overly brave. But, then someone said just last summer that Tivar should be eaten because he's three-gaited. She'd never met Tivar, and she is supposedly a breeder. You hear a lot of things on these lists... All I will say is that I talked to Christine in depth about his alleged prior problems and she told me she didn't have any doubt that Cary could handle him - and boy was she right! She told us that she thought Skjoni was inherently an easy horse, and we agree. Christine has never led me astray! Christine's honesty, plus that random encounter with the not-so-brave older woman who was taken with Skjoni made it easy for us to decide to buy him. I trust Christine a lot, but that other woman had no interest whether we bought him or not - in fact, it was pure coincidence that we were looking at him when she said that. >>> For the record I would love to have him back I bet you would: you and lots of other people...! :) Seriously, I hope you don't think sending an e-mail like this was any way to get on the list of buyers should health or personal issues ever force us to sell him. It wasn't. As for Gudmar. He has forgotten more about Icelandic horses than most of you will ever know. I am sorry for you, that you have to trash a man for what he says not because he is wrong or un- knowledgeable but because you don't like what he says or simply don't understand his culture I'm simply shaking my head over that one. You've totally lost me there. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview/Christophers' response
--- Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm totally confused. Who is Christopher in the > subject line? Did someone > by that name write a prior e-mail that I haven't > received...or is this > e-mail under the name of Jeannette actually a > response by someone named > Christopher? I I think the emails and posts are totally messed up, I just got a bunch of posts from the last few days, today, all at once. Kim
RE: [IceHorses] What Gait - Starri
>>> I think you're much closer than I'll ever be! I find it difficult to distinguish the different gaits. You and Janet are much better at it than I and you both came up with different conclusions! I think the only one Janice and I seriously disagree on is the one I think is trot - and I'm standing my ground on that one! :) Seriously, it can be difficult to tell in SOME pictures, but looking at them helps train our eyes, even when we miss something. Even Lee Ziegler, THE gait expert, used to comment on it being difficult to see it all in a single still picture. It's not perfect, but it's a start. I recently saw a picture of a foal trotting on a breeder's website - and the caption proudly announced that the foal was tolting. A breeder should be able to tell a trot from a tolt - that's just minimal. I've seen that more than once too. And how many times have people submitted pictures of horses step-pacing - almost hard-pacing - and called it tolt? Even breeders? Knowing the difference between a running walk, saddle rack and a true rack/tolt will not always be easy - even in person. Differentiating when a fast rack/tolt has turned into flying pace is hard. Those gaits are different, but close on the gait continuum -not totally opposite. But breeders - no ALL of us - should be able to isolate a trot from a pace. (Except maybe with a black horse in a still picture - it sometimes hard to tell which leg is on the near side and which is on the far.) I think #12 is a trot too. #13 seems to be some type of walk - he can have a real "swingy" type of walk. Is that what a running walk feels like? A walk (flat and running) just feels loose to me. Like the horse is loose, I mean. I like that gait for the horses who find it easy because I don't think a horse can be tense and do a TRUE running walk. (A lot of the yucky show "running walks" are actually step-paces or racks.) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Ponying
On 1/14/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It was in the low 70's F here today. At 5pm, it's still 67. I blush to > think what you would have been wearing outside here today! And two days later it was in the mid 20's last night with a good strong wind, calling for half an inch to an inch of snow in the next 24 hours. Lovely weather... :( Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
Re: [IceHorses] High wither relief?
On 1/17/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > just dont put anything under it with hard rough braiding or fleece. > Fleece makes the saddle slip! I tried the sensation on jaspar and it > worked great but lost its wonderful non-slippage attributes. Also the > cheap brand new fleece girth made it slip. I have a 30" Wintec girth you can have, if it'll fit. It's the old fabric type. Also have an 18" Schleese leather shaped girth I need to sell... Let me know if you're interested. Steph -- "Brutality begins where skill ends." "Correctly understood, work at the lunge line is indispensable for rider and horse from the very beginning through the highest levels." Von Niendorff
[IceHorses] Was Gudmar, now Skjoni
>>> Was your Skjoni North American bred? Or was he imported from Iceland? If he was an untrained 4 year old imported from "only excellent breeding" Iceland, why did he develop "trust issues"? First Trish, I won't even tell Cary that you called Skjoni "your" when talking to someone else! He might have to go visit you and set you straight on that one. :) Skjoni is Cary's horse, and they are a match made in heaven. It will take a major health issue or some other major misfortune for us to ever offer Skjoni for sale. I will always be thankful to Christine for her quiet encouragement of our buying him to be Cary's horse. Christine doesn't waste a lot of words, but I've found that when she says something, it's usually meaningful and important. I've never felt like she held anything back from me - most certainly not about Skjoni. The proof is in the pudding now, since he's been her for pushing three years now. Skjoni (RAUDSKJONI FRA FITAMYRI) was born in British Columbia, Canada, bred (and I believe initially trained) by Arnold Faber. I've never met Arnold, but he's been around the North American Icelandic scene for many years. I'm sure many people on the list know him, or his reputation. I heard that Skjoni had "trust issues" before we got him, but you've seen him. You know he's a low-key, easy-going horse - now. Skjoni is a little more stoic than some Icelandic horses - but not as stoic as some others either. It may be notable that we never ride with a dropped noseband, we don't crank his head up to get him to tolt, but let him do it his way, we don't shoe him, and we've been super-careful about his saddle fit. But, we do that with all our horses - and we've seen no trust issues on Skjoni's part. Coincidence? It's really no one's business, but we're an open book regarding our horses. Here's his pedigree: http://tinyurl.com/2v6b6o I have no preconceptions as to whether it's a "good" pedigree or a "bad" one. Who cares, he's a gelding, and he's a wonderful horse, perfect for Cary's needs and personality. >>> The breeder who said he should be euthanized, was that one of the indiscriminate North American breeders? Well, knowing what I know about Skjoni, I think maybe I need to find out who that breeder was and go buy all the horses he/she says that about! (I can't help but wonder if it was the same breeder who said that Tivar should be eaten because he's three-gaited...and who said that we shouldn't check on our about-to-deliver mares more often than every eight hours.) You know, if Skjoni HAD been such a nervous horse, don't you think I might have mentioned it here? Heavens, I've freely talked about issues with Loftur, Tivar, Svertla, Gracie... Why wouldn't I have talked about Skjoni's past, had I thought it significant? And much as I think Christine is a good trainer and a good horsewoman, I think if Skjoni's past issues had been THAT bad, I think we would have seen some of it when he came here. I DO think he probably had some trust issues. Most horses revert to their insecurities at least a LITTLE bit when they change homes. He's a good boy, plain and simple, and has been an easy horse since he arrived. And he was well worth the "market value price" we paid for him! ;) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] bucking
On 1/17/07, pippa258 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Do you do one rein/emergency stop? After Starri bucked me off a couple > of times when I first got him, I turned to PNH and learned about the > one-rein stop. I could feel when he was going to do it and would do the > one rein stop. It helped me alot too because I saw that I could > control it and I didn't budge in my saddle (the flex panel cutback I > used to have). > > Trish > yes, sigh, lord, I know everything :) In my original post I said how at the time all i did, even being a total horse guru genius that I am, i saw it coming a mile away and all i did was holler his name and haul back on both reins like an idiot. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Sidepull question
> But I do agree with Chris Cox's advice! And I love Chris Cox but I dont like that thing he does popping the rope on the ground to get the horse to disengage and move the rear end around. Because I did that to Fox and scared him so bad it caused a behavioral problem that had to be undone! Its just what I always say... from all of them, take what you need and leave the rest. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] ground tying
>>How do you teach ground tying? This would seem very useful on the trail (or if I fall off :-) ).<< ground tying is pretty easy to teach i think! you just get them to stand still and walk further and further away each time. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Newbie needs help
On 1/15/07, twhgroopie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello everyone. I have been reading for a little while now. I am > looking at buying my first Icey and need some guidance. I haven't seen > this horse in person yet, just emails and pics. If anyone would like to > give me their views on this horse-confo, etc. I would be very thankful. > Please email me at joannenelson @ comcast.net Take the spaces out. > Thanks everyone! > do you have any pics or anything? What are you looking for in a horse? make a list, then check what the horse has that is on your list of wants and dont wants. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 06:50:37AM -0800, Kim Morton wrote: > I do believe the ponies enjoy trail riding a lot > better than going around in cirlces, you will probably > learn a lot more out on the trail, getting into > different situation than you always can in the > cirlce:) stjarni seems to like *interesting* riding, but a complicated cones course or a lot of turns and changes in a ring seems to entertain him as much as a trail ride does. he also however likes kids, and will go around happily in a circle while they do their stretches or whatnot. (if i do too much of that he gets bored.) me, i get that stupid "i'm ON A HORSIE!!!" smile no matter where i am, ring or trail, it's stjarni that makes me that happy not the surroundings! but the trail riding has been great for me to work on my balance, trusting my horse, and judging the terrain. so yes, i am definitely learning a lot from it!! --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] field trials now ground tying
On 1/17/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Janice McDonald wrote: > >> Biggest thing for me I think is ground tying! They absolutely MUST > >> ground tie. be athletic, have energy, etc. > >> > > How do you teach ground tying? This would seem very useful on the trail > > (or if I fall off :-) ). > > Those of us in NC should get together and do a little workshop on useful > skills for trail horses. This can include: ground tying, sidepass, backing, > mounting from either side, and if anyone is interested in camping-hobbling, > tying to a picket line or highline, etc.. > > Cherie > that would be cool! and mounting from weird/spooky objects. like one time in order to mount Jaspar with three broken ribs I had to lead him and stand him in a huge dense bush of sharp stuff, a little holly tree actually, very dense and bushy. I had to get him to walk into the middle of it and stand there still while I crawled up on a fallen tree and my friend had to help shove me on so there was no one to hold him still. later I realized if he had decided to walk away I would have landed in a stickery bush with broken ribs. but he was perfect of course my jas... he had fallen down because a farrier had trimmed him and left long toes without me even asking him to. he had decided to do that cause I commented he was pacey. As a result his toes were so long he couldnt even pick his foot up high enough to break over at a plain normal dogwalk. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Long Mane
On 1/17/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 1/16/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > he is unhappy any time he has to be out in a > > parade. but its his job! Someone has to be eye candy! > > Janice-- > > yipie tie yie yo > > > I think you're both beautiful! > V > oh Virginia that is so sweet. Thank you. I am not feeling very attractive since xmas after all that sugar bingeing now I am the pillsbury dough girl! janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Lesson Horse
On 1/16/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I don't think Gat would be happy as a lesson horse. > V > i took riding lessons once. I think that was about it, once. And I asked if next time I could ride jaspar and she said no, a lesson horse had to be one that would walk round and round and round until you told it to stop. i am kinda glad jaspar is not that type horse really janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] saddle rack
i think it is a southeast/tennessee/ term. everyone around here says it. Lee says it in her book. There are other names for it tho... like KMSH people calling it a daisy cutter and the mccurdy people calling it a mccurdy lick.. I guess I missed the first question, but yes, it's not always called by the name saddle rack, but the gait itself is pretty common and very desirable...by most people. I think it's the more accepted version of the "slow gait" for Saddlebreds now, but I'm not so sure about that - they used to accept either a foxtrot or a step pace or so I've heard. It's also called the Rocky Mountain Gait, and I THINK I've heard it called simply the "mountain gait." Lee Ziegler was pretty big on settling on a universal name for the gaits, names that transcend breed. It's simply too confusing for people who simply want to understand gaits and t get local help with their trail horses to have to figure out 15 names for the same gait. Since we now have YouTube at our disposal, I've sorta/kinda been able to freeze-frame a few show-ish appearing "tolts" that people have posted. (Not the most accurate thing to do, due to YouTube's compression, but it is somewhat do-able...) I've noticed that even some of the tolts that I would have believed to have a single-foot support phase actually are two-foot-three-foot gaits, so they too are saddle-racks. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Flying Pace?
Sure it wasn't Bubba? >bg< Pretty sure. MOST of the time if the name ends with "a" in Iceland, it's a girl's name. That's why I suspect his name was "Bubbi." Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Gudmar's Interview/Christophers' response
>>> I was very disappointed to read that you feel the Americans have ruined this pony er uh horse. I'm totally confused. Who is Christopher in the subject line? Did someone by that name write a prior e-mail that I haven't received...or is this e-mail under the name of Jeannette actually a response by someone named Christopher? I can't even place a Christopher on this list, but I admit, my memory isn't what it used to be... Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Lesson Horse
Gat is not a lesson horse--she is Alex's horse. Alex has allowed her friend and her niece ride Gat a couple times, and I've allowed it because I know their riding abilities. I don't think Gat would be happy as a lesson horse. Is Alex still on the list? Note to Alex: you have the greatest mom! In my next life, I want to come back as your sister, with a pony just like Gat! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Sidepull question
But don't take what any ONE person says as gospel. That's it, exactly. I think YOU remember, Susan, that we've discussed the good and the bad of Parelli, Anderson, and who knows how many other trainers, ideas methods, disciplines, asking questions, considering possibilities...don't you think it ironic that some people seem to forget that some of us question EVERYONE, when the questioning turns to traditional Icelandic trainers... Questioning is good, and when someone tells me not to question someone, that I'm being rude, that's when I REALLY want to start asking questions! :) Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[IceHorses] whoo hooo
hey! it might snow! i am excited. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Flying Pace?
>>> It just must be horrifying to the Icelandic "horse" "society ladies", that it turns out they really have more in common with Bubba and his speed racker, than they do with the Kentucky Derby, they are trying *real* hard to align themselves with that kind of thing, aren't they? I have thoroughly enjoyed that irony since I first realized how the Icelandic horse is often trained, or at least, HAS been trained. HOPEFULLY, we're seeing SOME changes, and hopefully more will come. I hate it for the horses, but I could care less if the "trying to impress" crowd looks ridiculous... as long as the horses themselves don't get penalized. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] High wither relief?
just dont put anything under it with hard rough braiding or fleece. Fleece makes the saddle slip! I tried the sensation on jaspar and it worked great but lost its wonderful non-slippage attributes. Also the cheap brand new fleece girth made it slip. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Flying pace...?
>>> In looking at the large groups of riders at the Field Trials with all those gaited horses with what sound like such good gaits, I wonder why anyone would buy Icelandics?? Also many of the people look fairly sturdy - are the horses well suited to carry the weight? Good universal questions, for all breeds and all riders I think. I went looking for Icelandic's over TWH because 1) they are supposed to be very sensible and non-spooky, which I find them to be - overall. 2) They are short. 3) it's not supposed to be a "sin" to trot them. There are many individual owners of other gaited breeds who trot their horses, but it's seldom a "breed approved" idea with other breeds. And 4) Oh, was I ever wrong about this one! I read the breed description of the tolt being "similar to the running walk of the TWH" and I took it to mean that as long as the "tolt" was pure four-beat, that no one was going to get their nose out of joint. I took #4 and #3, to mean that this breed is very open minded about accepting the full range of gait, and I was impressed. Boy, was I ever naive back in those days. And now, of course, the USIHC website has made their breed descriptions very exclusive. I am very disappointed that they have chosen to move in that direction. 300 horses and riders together is quite the gathering - what exactly do you do at a field trial - is it basically a social gathering or is it a competition? Yes. ;) Personally, I am not attracted to rides with so many people. Give me a trail ride with 1-10 like-minded souls any day. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] High wither relief?
On 1/16/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The felt conforms and gives just a little, but not > as much as the foam. Melissa at Nickers said I shouldn't put the two foams together because it may compromise the stability of the saddle--she did suggest maybe just trying my foam instead of the Skito foam just to see how it works. The Skito foam is memory foam, isn't it? The foam I have is stiffer, almost like a cashel wedge foam. It's thicker than my Skito foam and feels more 'solid'. Would that be more protective? I also have a Dixie Midnight and I wonder if putting that under my Skito would help cushion. V
RE: [IceHorses] field trials
>>> the guns fire blanks and only the competitor has a gun to shoot when the quail flush. Someone just told me about a sport I'd never heard of: Cowboy Shooting. Apparently the competitors use real period guns, and shoot blanks, but with real gunpowder, whatever, as the gun was made to use. A few apparently do it from horseback. They dress in period to match their weapons - I think he said anything prior to 1900 is ok. When they do it from horseback, the go by balloons (OK, so THAT'S not so period specific!) and take aim. They have to be close enough that the blast of the blank will pop the balloon, so their riding has to be pretty accurate. I have never seen this, so I probably have some of the details wrong, and I'm sure I left out a lot, but that's the gist of it. This is not to be confused with Civil War reenacting. It's a different thing, where they are judged on their shooting. Oh, they have to adopt a period name too, so all the good names are already taken: Marshall Dillion, Festus, Stonewall and Traveler (I asked about those just for you, Janice), Chester, Rowdy Yates...I'm not interested in taking this up for myself, so I didn't think to ask if they allow Annie Oakley's and Calamity Jane's. Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [IceHorses] Flying pace...?
it is national competition at field trials but also a huge four day party, like a fox hunt. Why would you buy an icelandic?? because they are so cool! janice -- yipie tie yie yo
