Re: [IceHorses] Picking up the bit
Karen, I decided to get one of those new bits that have apple flavor and easy on the mouth snaffle bit with plastic, I put it a little lower so he could sample the taste of the new toy. He kinda liked that but it was making everyone else a little nervous so up went the bit in the mouth again. I was driving him some getting him to give to sides with a surcingle? I bit him up to the right for a while and then to the left for a while. This has really worked well for me. Kinda have to play with him some to keep him interested. He is gelded one month now. I love my pony. Sylvia in California. ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
[IceHorses] Trailing rear legs (The chicken or the egg...?)
And what is a symptom that the horse isn't yet forward...? His legs aren't coming up under him, or may even be trailing out behind. I don't get it? Susan, first, I'm sorry you took my post so strongly. I didn't mean it to personal towards you, towards anyone else, or towards any horse. As far as I'm concerned this is an in general discussion standing on its own merits at this point, ok? I changed the subject line to reflect that - I hope that makes it clearer. Well, actually, I guess it WAS personal in a way, but I was thinking of my own personal experiences with my horses, not someone else's. You are describing probably the way 95% of all horses, gaited or not, travel. ... You are speaking in terms of upper level dressage, not normal pleasure horses. No, I really don't have any personal experience with upper level dressage horses, nor do I expect that I ever will. (I've studied some dressage over the years, and while I've studied some theory, I never claimed to have anything approaching upper level experience in my horses. My lessons were always on real-world kinds of horses, with no delusions about achieving any serious level of collection or roundness.) I DO have some limited experience with some normal pleasure/trail horses who have had some sorts of back/gait problems - and often with gaited horses this shows up as paciness. When a vet does a lameness test on a horse - any breed, any gaitedness - one of the first things they will comment on is how the horse uses his legs and his rear end - that can be a big barometer of what's going on with their back - sometimes it's simply a matter of what their conformation allows them to do, and sometimes it's a matter of them being in pain. And sometimes, their conformation leads them to be in pain. It's not easy to isolate if the way of moving is coming from conformation, or from pain, or if the conformation is causing pain - it's often a chicken-or-the-egg situation. That's why I'm throwing in my two cents - I happen to believe that trailing rear legs is a BIG symptom to watch for, an early sign of hollowness - in our everyday, pleasure horses. As Judy wrote: The piaffe-type pictures were just the introduction to BIG (obvious) roundness. When we learn something new, it's easier to see black and white, and then focus in on the gray areas. My experiences with my own horses have been much more in the gray areas - I really don't care about the BIG roundness very much. It's just not part of my world. Just as there are BIG roundness as Judy described it, I think there is BIG hollowness too - but I wouldn't ignore the more common, less-obvious signs of hollowness. Based on my limited experience (thinking of Gracie, Mac, Loftur in particular, even Tivar, Sina and Skjoni to lesser degrees) if I had to pick a few physical symptoms to warn me of trouble, or to help me isolate innate, conformational-related ways of moving/gaits from a way of moving that we can help, I would look at the horse's apparent gaitedness (lateral vs. diagonal) but MUCH more importantly I'd look at the WAY a horse moves - all the symptoms, things like his rear legs trailing out behind him, any short or choppy strides, as well as with any unevenness in stride, etc. I'd look at the way the horse stands at leisure too. And I would look very carefully at how freely he is able to use his head and neck, because if he's stiff at the base of his neck, there's a good chance his whole back will be stiff... and that will adversely affect his gaits. If his back were obviously dropped or swayed, I'd certainly note that because I DO think it's important - but conversely, I would not assume because his back appears level that all is well. My most lateral horse, Mac, never appeared to have an obviously dropped back until his late teens - I sincerely wish I'd paid more attention to his other, less-obvious symptoms earlier... Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
In natural horsemanship, how do we teach a horse to give to the bit? ... to tip his head left and right? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] ground work
On 08/07/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ok. This is too weird. My horse's name is Dagur. And my husband's name is Kevin. LOL. That is weirdha.. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
On 09/07/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In natural horsemanship, how do we teach a horse to give to the bit? ... to tip his head left and right? My limited understanding of this is that tipping the nose is a BIG no-no. What you want to achieve is for the horse to turn his head from the poll.. Turn his head at the joint between his earsthere's a huge swivel available there and we forget to use it... It's a good reminder for something to achieve while riding. At the biting clinic we were at, all of our horses were loose enough that they could do this quite easily. However, there were some horses there that were quite stiff and could only tip their noses. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
On 09/07/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In natural horsemanship, how do we teach a horse to give to the bit? ... to tip his head left and right? then:--- Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My limited understanding of this is that tipping the nose is a BIG no-no. What you want to achieve is for the horse to turn his head from the poll.. The lateral flexion and giving to the bit are suppling exercises, not riding exercises. I do lateral flexion first from the ground in a halter, then graduate from the ground with the bit, and lastly in the saddle. I always ask my horse for lateral flexion in each direction several times after mounting and before ever taking the first step. I think this helps remind them that I am in charge from the saddle and it gets their minds focused before we set out on the trail. It also re-focuses them back on me when they get nervous on the trail. It's a reminder that I am there (they forget when they get nervous) and I'm in control, and they usually give a sigh and relax after flexing on the trail. It's something they know very well and thus, is reassuring to them. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
There you go again Susan with the exercises they know well serving as reassurance. I like that concept and see it at work with Hunter. What other well-known activities do you use to reassure your horses? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] what gait / Stormur
From: Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] In roundness, the energy of the horse is within the circle, which bisects his mouth and his feet. What do you mean by roundness? Are you referring to a round, collected frame? Where did this information come from? Mary Sand Lake, NY
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
oh! there are even reverse dapples janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
On 7/9/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In natural horsemanship, how do we teach a horse to give to the bit? ... to tip his head left and right? i dont have a clue how its supposed to be done. I did it by standing on the ground and applying pressure to a rein and the very instant they give, release. then gradually got to where I could have him give and touch his nose to his side and hold it. Then the other side. Then straight down. Then graduated to in the saddle in the roundpen. The same things. Then while walking, the same things. A good way to teach whoa and to teach to slow down. and to bring nose in. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] HUGINN IS HOME!
Dear Wonderful CyberFriends, Just a quick note, will update more later. HUGINN IS HOME~!! WOOHOO! Lots to share...he is still on meds, still a bit off feed and still naked. I couldn't sleep last nite, I kept getting up and going out to check on him. My hubby was ready to throw a pillow at me. Lucy thought it was a great adventure to get out of bed in the middle of the nite and visit the barn. HA! I'm out the door for school. I promise tonite I will send photos that taken yesterday. I want to thank you so much for all your support! Your love, prayers,healing light and donations have been so appreciated. I have been totally overwhelmed by what a wonderful bunch of folks the horse community is. When it comes to fund raising, I have always been on the giving in, never on the receiving end. You guys are so thoughtful! THANK YOU! Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Colour Question
dapples are a totally different genetic marker. Dapples exist on their own, in any color, even black. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Me Orri
Thank you. Still a baby? Well, like I've said many times, when I look in the mirror I'm usually startled by the grey hair and wrinkles because how I feel inside doesn't match the age I look. V sometimes i marvel that my moms hands somehow got stuck on the bottom of my arms. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Flekka - what gait?
nonono. she's doing poker joe. Tommy turvey;'s horse Poker Joe does this and he sits on his belly and holds on to his front legs like handlebars and pedals them back and forth. You missed your chance to hop on her karen and do the poker joe act! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Pacific Crest pic
On 7/8/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's our daughter Abby, still wearing some of the mud she and Smoke plunged into. Horse on the left is my Hunter. Nancy she is too cute! how old is she! maybe we coiuld fix her up with wandas gorgeous son. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What other well-known activities do you use to reassure your horses? The one-rein stop is my main one I use with Whisper. We have done it on the trail only when she gets nervous and antsy above the walk and has ignored my repeated half-halts. This is where I believe she has forgotten about me being on her back - her head is HIGH, ears pricked and totally focused on the T-Rex she is sure is hiding in the tamarasks! I do use the head-down que for Raven when she gets high-headed and have just started using it with Whisper on the trail as well (and before the one-rein stop). I will also zig-zag on the trail and ask them to move off of my leg pressure - really anything that makes them listen to ME instead of focusing on the T-Rex. And we havn't gotten eaten yet! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Icelandic weights
I think annaleise said one time... that if an icelandic has very large cannon bone, that the tapes are a little off... I dont recall, I just remember at the time I had weighed nasi and he was 750... Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [icehorses] Roundness
There is a dressage symposium on rfdtv this week, some famous german dressage guy giving it. he says something interestingh i thought, not maybe really to do with this exact topic, but in the show he says I want you all to understand that German dressage as we know it was developed for the warmblood breed of horse, another breed will be different, then paraphrasing, he goes on to say that while you must pressure a warmblood to be forward, a thoroughbred is different. made me wonder about other breeds like our iceys etc, how they would be different, he talked about modifying the rules for thoroughbreds. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] what gait / Stormur
I did cure that pace! by Lee, or is it Liz... anyway. really works. I mean, jaspar will always be pacey, he has pacey conformation, but it got him out of the hard pace and where he will do some other gaits now, not quite sure what they are! But I know for a fact he does a nice relaxed stepping pace, and then some sort of flatwalk. My trouble with him is he is a very easy going laid back horse, low energy, so hard for me to get him really moving out at a consistent faster rate unless other horses are too. Once I got a flatwalk out of him I started noticing gaits he had never had before. I thought it was a RW but in a pic recently it looked like a foxwalk. I have had him a few times do a true rack, but he has never once done a saddle rack. For him, the few times he did a true rack was dropping into it out of a full blown gallop with other horses galloping. but it does not come easy for him and it is not a gait i would ever try and get him to do regularly. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Wanted- Duett saddle
I am also looking for a duett to try on Lukka. Either a dressage or trail model. One of the wide trees. Probably not the widest.
RE: [IceHorses] more ground work
Working with babies no let me rephrase that...playing with babies is always good. It teaches them to trust humans and enjoy our company. That's my thoughts on the subject anyway. We're always respectful of them and ensure they remain respectful of us...we don't want any bad habits developing That's key around here - PLAYING with babies. We try to just find little opportunities to expose them to things over their first 3-4 years, and gradually, we realize that somehow they are very comfy being led, haltered, bridled, having stuff put on them, around them...We rarely plan any formal training for them before they are four, but it still happens, just in the course of handling them and playing with them. I have never formally imprinted my babies per Dr. Miller's method, but we do spend a little time sometime during their first 24 hours putting a halter on them, brushing them, picking their feet, etc. I don't know that this is the right way, but it's worked well for us, for our schedules. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] pic from tonight
what a great picture! what gait?! He looks to be reachingg with his nose like Liz says they need to do with a rw or foxtropt... he is doing his tail like jaspar does at the stepping pace. Jaspar holds his tail a certain way, like he is using it to help :) janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Pacific Crest pic
Probably a bad idea. She just turned 40 and has three kids, the oldest 16. She teaches second grade. But let me see if I can find a picture of grandaughter Sarah who just finished her freshman year and has been admitted into a program I can't remember the name of - Susan would know - she will be doing ultrasound imaging after she graduates in three more years. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
Here in Oregon it's important to get them to bend around your leg because there are knee-knocker trees along the narrow single track trails. I like to be able to bend my horse around the trees and most of them learn it real quickly because it is not just an exercise. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
She looks great Where do you live Nancy? I don't want to have either one of us having to travel too far to visit the grandkids. :) Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
On 7/9/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Oregon it's important to get them to bend around your leg because there are knee-knocker trees along the narrow single track trails. I like to be able to bend my horse around the trees and most of them learn it real quickly because it is not just an exercise. Nancy i found that getting stonewall going around barrels really helped with going around trees, and ironically, weirdly, you steer him INTO the tree in order to miss it. because if i steer him AWAY from the tree, his hip goes closer, and I get whacked. If I steer him INTO the tree, his hind endgoes the other way and i dont get whacked. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] HUGINN IS HOME!
Just a quick note, will update more later. HUGINN IS HOME~!! WOOHOO! Yeah! Happy Trails from Lori Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
That could be a problem. We live in Oregon and already have grandkids we rarely see because they live in New Jersey and Maui. I'm drawing a blank, but remember you live somewhere northeast and snowy. Where is it again? I do have another brainiac grandaughter who is a scholarship student at Harvard. She's one of the Maui clan. She hates the beach and loves New Haven. There must be a mutant gene in the family somewhere. Who wouldn't love the beach? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
You're right. What I ask them to do is become C-shaped - lateral curve in the spine from the poll to the croup, just like you would ask for if you were trotting nice round dressage-type circles in the ring. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
On 09/07/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That could be a problem. We live in Oregon and already have grandkids we rarely see because they live in New Jersey and Maui. I'm drawing a blank, but remember you live somewhere northeast and snowy. Where is it again? Vanscoy, Saskatchewan Canada... Maybe too far... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
On 7/9/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/07/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That could be a problem. We live in Oregon and already have grandkids we rarely see because they live in New Jersey and Maui. I'm drawing a blank, but remember you live somewhere northeast and snowy. Where is it again? Vanscoy, Saskatchewan Canada... Maybe too far... Wanda that is where the name sasqwatch derives from. he lives there. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
and besides that you have to think about your grandchildren saying eh? all the time. Like you would say hey you want sum watermelon and they would go eh? and if you said something like in some people homes they have paintings of Jesus but here we have Robert E. lee and they might say eh? Who is robert E lee and then oh my gosh how would you ever get over it, your own grandyoungun, oh the humanity. Janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
oh man those would be cute grandkids. I want dibs on being aunt janice or as my nephew calls me onnjun janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
On 09/07/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is where the name sasqwatch derives from. he lives there. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo He's our neighbour...his name is Bob. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] what gait / Stormur
the only difference i see is that he appears to be in a turn... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
this is why I couldnt fix my daughter up with wandas son, first of all she's way way older but mainly, i think if she went to wandas house from orlando in winter it would be like they say a person dropped out of a helicopter onto the summit of mount everest would only live like 20 minutes. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] what gait / Stormur
--- Mary Arena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The angle between the croup and back is closer to the neutral and round frames. I see it! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i found that getting stonewall going around barrels really helped with going around trees, That's what I can do since I don't have any trees to practice on! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in Oregon it's important to get them to bend around your leg because there are knee-knocker trees What's a tree? And a single track? I guess that's nothing like the two track jeep trails in the desert. I do occasionally have to avoid a tamarask hanging out onto the trail. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php
Re: [IceHorses] Pacific Crest pic
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: she will be doing ultrasound imaging after she graduates in three more years. Ultrasound tech are top of the food chain meaning she will be able to get a job ANYWHERE she wants. Is she going to stay near you? I could certainly get her a job at our little hospital in an extremely horse friendly town that has a lot of endurance rides nearby. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121
Re: [IceHorses] Pacific Crest pic
Thanks Susan. It is my understanding that she will have an externship where they might send her anywhere in the Unites States. She's at school on a soccer scholarship so her coach will be trying hard to get her a place at the hospital in Klamath Falls - used to be Merle West. I think it has a different name now. She's an outdoor girl and I would expect her to stay in Southern Oregon if she can. She's so funny. She's at school at OIT in Klamath Falls and she loves the blue collar guys in their carhartt jeans and big 4 x 4's. She also pulled a 4.0 her first year, sort of an iltellectual redneck girl. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Lateral Flexion
This ride on Saturday was an absolute blast. The first half at least was on a narrow trail in the forest around a mountain lake. We had water crossings, logs to cross and a lot of zoom zoom winding through the trees. Can you spell speed rack? The second half was mainly unimproved dirt roads and even a few nasty sections of freshly graveled roads that required walking. Hunter reverts (with my encouragement) to trot when he begins to tire and later in a ride, to canter. I just can't imagine it's good for him to rack for 30 miles. I try very hard to sit right in the center and be very quiet in the saddle. There are pictures, but they're pretty awful. He is ventroflexed because of racking and my toes are sort of pointing out (instead of parallel with his sides). Nancy Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] For Wanda's gorgeous son?
On 7/9/07, Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 09/07/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that is where the name sasqwatch derives from. he lives there. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo He's our neighbour...his name is Bob. Wanda HAHA. My momma, bless her heart, before she died when she got elderly and confused, she would see ads on tv about this local little seafood restuarant called Dee's and then she would see ads for the national chain Captain D's and would say Captain D is from here, and we could never get her to understand. So now everytime we travel my husband always says when we pass a captain D's restuarant oh look, he has a place here even tho he lives in Parker... haha, so I am glad to know Bob Sasqwatch lives next to you Wanda! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] HUGINN IS HOME!
Just a quick note, will update more later. HUGINN IS HOME~!! WOOHOO! Give him a hug from all of us at Wind Gait Icelandics! Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
First, let's define round or roundness, so that we can see if we're all in agreement of the definition, and what to look for in round / roundness. Definition? Well, I guess it's one of those terms that is a continuum, something seen in degrees, with no absolute end-point. Since I'm a pleasure, I don't even think in terms of a significant degree of roundness - just enough to keep my horses healthy and sound. I think the first step would be that the horse pushes from behind, driving his legs up under him as he moves. When his legs come up under him, his croup will lower. That will in turn lift his back, and ultimately lift his withers. If you keep going along that goal, the horse's neck will rise such that the horse's poll becomes the highest point, and the nose will go towards vertical. However, all of these statements need to be taken within the context of any horse's conformation - and of course, with the rider's end-goal in mind. As a pleasure/trail rider, I am not concerned at all with what happens towards the end of the process of getting a horse round - personally, I don't care if my horses's noses never get vertical, nor if their polls are never the highest point - which is probably a good thing, since most Icelandic's have necks that are too short for that kind of head carriage to be comfortable anyway. I also think the degree of roundness will vary depending on what the horse is doing at the moment, what gait he's traveling in, etc. I don't expect to see very much roundness in a horse at liberty - although seeing too much hollowness at liberty would be a warning flag to me. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
here is the pacieiest horse around, with pacey conformation, with a back that is rounded, actually his backbone sticks up above the muscle so dont know what you would call that. I think roundness is defined going the length-wise direction of the horse - if we look for roundness around the ribs and over the backbone, I have had some REALLY round horses! But, not totally in jest, the weight of the horse can confuse how things look. And isn't Jaspar in his winter woolies there? It doesn't look like an Icelandic coat, but even some fuzz can make it harder to see. is HE round?? He's not obviously hollow in that picture, is he? I'd bet he looks pretty different though when he's in a different mindset, speeding along..? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't expect to see very much roundness in a horse at liberty - Then why would it be a goal under saddle?? To make the horse conform to OUR ideals? Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
Re: [IceHorses] what gait / Stormur
From: Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm referring to Lee's statement in the section, How Does a Horse Do a Pace or Stepping Pace, on page 157: Horses that pace always do so with hollow or slightly swayed backs. I don't think Stormur's back is always hollow or slightly swayed when he paces. I don't think anyone will fault Stormur's back for not being somewhat lifted, and you've done a good job with that. But, he DOES still show some elements of hollowness, like the trailing rear legs. That's all I'm saying, Karen. His back is not hollow. His one hind leg is certainly trailing, the other is well under him. Which brings up something I'm curious about that you said earlier. You said you trained him from front to back, and you also told Judy to look at his head and neck earlier. I've always been taught to get a horse going towards roundness/collection/whatever degree you're aiming for, that you should work from back-to-front, and that's certainly what I do. If you mean what I think you mean, then I wonder if he couldn't benefit from some work that would not only lift his back, but would also encourage him to drive his rear legs more under him. I don't believe you can achieve that correctly by riding front to back. I agree with you. However, in training, you never start with your goal. You have to go through a teaching process to teach the horse to move from back to front. In fact, you want to put as many steps between your beginning point and your goal as you can think of. It actually ends up allowing the horse to be more successful and progress faster in the training. I started Stormur using John Lyon's single rein riding, give to the bit, work, with a full cheek snaffle bit, no noseband. I did not use JL's round pen work with Stormur in his early training, though I have played with it a bit to learn how to do it correctly. I started from front to back with Stormur. It's not the only way to do it, but I believe that it builds in less braceyness, than starting at the rear, when you haven't taught the horse to be relaxed through his body. That said, there are some horses that I would definitely start with the rear end. I'm also curious: what kind of saddle do you use on him? I use a Sensation saddle. Mary
Re: [IceHorses] Roundness
is HE round?? He's not obviously hollow in that picture, is he? I'd bet he looks pretty different though when he's in a different mindset, speeding along..? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC well its sorta a trick question since he's pacey, yet his spine curves in a rounded way. when just standing around. is it roach back? I think probably so...So its hard for me to understandd a lot of this conversation. Since he is never hollow even when he's hollow, cause his spine curves in an arch. which begs the question how can he be pacey... just puzzles me. But he is, no doubt about it. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Roundness
nasi round?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo attachment: boys4.jpg
RE: [IceHorses] saddles sold/for sale
I am told the pics dont do it justice, that it was purchased in march and is like brand new. So if you want to bypass the 6 week wait and want a cool color and you dont need the extended seat, this one might interest you. You know, that brown one is just screaming out for Orri...or for Melnir...? No, wait, skinny Virginia (the babe) stands a better chance of fitting in the standard seat than I do! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
I don't expect to see very much roundness in a horse at liberty - Then why would it be a goal under saddle?? To make the horse conform to OUR ideals? No, because horses aren't really built to carry weight. So they need help learning to use their backs if we're going to ask them to do something they aren't built to do. If they don't bring their legs up under them, their suspension bridges (backs) aren't supported well. With extra weight on their backs, they need more support than when they are at liberty. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
well its sorta a trick question since he's pacey, yet his spine curves in a rounded way. when just standing around. is it roach back? I think probably so...So its hard for me to understandd a lot of this conversation. Since he is never hollow even when he's hollow, cause his spine curves in an arch. which begs the question how can he be pacey... just puzzles me. But he is, no doubt about it. There's one reason you can't judge roundness by simply looking at the horse's back alone, as I said the other day. You also have to know what conformational traits are there initially. A horse with a roach back (and yes, Jaspar's looks that way to me in the picture too) simply won't appear hollow like a normal back. What about croup angles? Some horses naturally have very flat croups, while many horses (a good many gaited horses) have long, downwardly angled croups, with low-set tails - I think they are called goose-rumps..?. Would you immediately say that a goose-rumped horse is less hollow than a horse with a naturally flat croup? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] what gait / Stormur
On 7/9/07, Mary Arena [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you. However, in training, you never start with your goal. You have to go through a teaching process to teach the horse to move from back to front. on the rfdtv dressage symposium he kinda talked about this, abourt German dressage being originally breed specific to warmbloods and you had to teach back to front but with thoroughbreds front to back. i think thats what he said! I will watch it again tonite. it was very interesting. and he did not bark at everybody like hitler like so many of the women do , sheesh! Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] what gait / Stormur
In roundness, the energy of the horse is within the circle, which bisects his mouth and his feet. What do you mean by roundness? Are you referring to a round, collected frame? Where did this information come from? By roundness, I'm using the accepted use by classical dressage. It's not an official term, but used, nonetheless. I am not referring to collection. It's a feeling, a look, that the horse gives of being round. This look or feeling can be validated by applying the science of biomechanics, which for roundness starts at the hindquarters, with the legs under the mass: hindquarters engaged. The *engaged* hindquarters have the ability to lift the back, in relation to the withers. I will try to find additional information about the circle of roundness; in the meantime, here's some info on the two circles, and bringing them together: From the Scottish Dressage Society: As we have discussed in previous lessons, the horse's natural stance or balance is on the forehand, with most of his weight over the front legs. Your job as the rider is to rebalance the horse back onto the hind quarters and engage the most powerful part of the horse, the hind legs and quarters. This is where the half halt or half parade is used. You will notice that I am still not mentioning collection. The re-balancing or engagement of the hindquarters is just another part of preparation for collection. Collection, the principles of collection and how to achieve collection will be the subject of several lessons in the future. Itís a huge, misunderstood and misquoted subject. Now back to engagement, balance and the half halt. This way of visualizing the gathering up, the closing together and engagement of the horse was taught to me by Herr Kalman de Jarenak of the Hanovarian Society in Germany. Imagine that there are two circles. When the horse is long, not gathered but is on the aids, the circles are apart. One circle encompassing the forehand and second circle around the hindquarters. Your job as the dressage rider is to close these circles together. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com attachment: circlelonghorse.jpgattachment: circleenergy.jpg
[IceHorses] nasi lope
a good video of nasi doing an excellent western pleasure quarterhorse lope (honestly, it looks just like one to me, one of those ideal peanut roller lopes all the wgc quarterhorses do) and a cute little nos-nos I'm HAPPY! buck at the end :) http://affiliate.kickapps.com/kickapps/service/displayMediaPlayPage.kickAction?mediaId=57329mediaType=VIDEOas=6211 Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
Since I'm a pleasure, I don't even think in terms of a significant degree of roundness Uh...excuse me. I think I should have said that I'm a pleasure RIDER. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
Hi Janice, well its sorta a trick question since he's pacey, yet his spine curves in a rounded way. when just standing around. is it roach back? I think probably so...So its hard for me to understandd a lot of this conversation. Since he is never hollow even when he's hollow, cause his spine curves in an arch. which begs the question how can he be pacey... just puzzles me. My first thought on looking at him is that he has a roach back. Which horse is this? He doesn't walk with a pacey walk so it is interesting that he is so pacey. Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
Re: [IceHorses] Roundness
On 7/9/07, Robyn Hood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My first thought on looking at him is that he has a roach back. Which horse is this? He doesn't walk with a pacey walk so it is interesting that he is so pacey. its Jaspar, and actually, his gait is changing lately and I dont know why! Hope its not a bad thing! But he is no longer ridden to death, is barely ridden, since he had his spine fistula twice he has been on very very light duty for about a year, and not ridden at all nine months of the year before that. As a result he is the heaviest he has ever been, the biggest, and maybe a consideration too... he had thrush six months ago and ever since has had to have shoes on the front, normal aluminum but still could make a difference... maybe it is his age even! janice yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Roundness
here is the pacieiest horse around, with pacey conformation, with a back that is rounded, actually his backbone sticks up above the muscle so dont know what you would call that. is HE round?? The back is not the sole focus of roundness. The conformation of the back is different, of course, for different horses. In regard to pacey-ness, some pacey horses have saggy backs; some pacey horses have backs that are stiff and straight. Some horses have roach backs. Now, say the roach back horse was pacing would he be round? No, because the points that contribute to roundness, such as the engaged hindquarters), would be lacking. Can horses pace with less of a hollow back than others? Yes. That's a tribute to their conformation and conditioning. Then there are the reasons for pacey-ness which can be conformation (boney or musculature), neural wiring, or stiffness, or nervousness. And whether they are pacing with high head and short steps, or pacing in a run where they are extended throughout their body. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
My first thought on looking at him is that he has a roach back. Which horse is this? He doesn't walk with a pacey walk so it is interesting that he is so pacey. I think that's another of the terms that are hard to describe in e-mail, if we don't have specific benchmarks to judge our terms by. I've never met Janice's Jaspar, but my guess is that maybe he's pacey compared to an ideal walking horse's gaitedness. I realize now that a good walking horse will probably have some visible trot in their range (or maybe just some foxtrot) if they are to have a good running walk. My guess - and I haven't met Jaspar - is that he's pretty pacey compared to an ideal TWH, but not as pacey as the worst I've seen. One clue that makes me think that is that Janice says he has a nice canter. I think the REALLY pacey horses usually don't have easy canters...? I initially thought Sina was pacey, but she has always trotted some at liberty, but even at her paciest phase, she had a great, easy-to-find canter. (It turned out her paciness was mostly due to having a banged up rider and saddle fit issues...) I'd love to meet everyone's horses, just to see if I'm guessing all this right...:) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Roundness
Think you had it right the first time. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Roundness
Twist, who is of course not an Icelandic, did a hard pace at the track (STB) and under saddle. He has a lovely lazy canter and an emerging ability to trot. I have read that some Standardbreds find it very difficult to canter, probably because of that wired-in paciness. Nancy The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Roundness
i am toying with the idea of bringing jaspar to the Liz clinic. For one thing, it would be interesting to see what she could do with a lost cause. as for his paceyness, is the degree of paceyness based on how often they pace, or how awful it is. because the latter was how I was judging it. His hard pace is actually completely unbearable, intolerable to seat. He will throw your rear at least six inches in the air and when you slam down you know it cant be good for his back. But his steppingpace is very pleasant and so is his canter. but honestly he hasnt hard paced with me in over a year... and also would be nice to bring him to the clinic since last year the whole time riding traveller i was slightly on edge because he is not my horse, i had never ridden him but maybe twice in the yard and as a result I didnt know him, did not know how he would react to things and I sorta dreaded getting on him the whole time. would be so nice to have my jas that I can always feel relaxed on and never afraid. even when he acts terrible i feel relaxed cause i know him... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Roundness
I have read that some Standardbreds find it very difficult to canter, probably because of that wired-in paciness. I've only know a half dozen Standarbreds, but I'd expect them to have a similar range of gaitedness (per individual, and across the breed) as most gaited breeds. I know one who paced for the full term (10 years or more?) and isn't naturally a very pacey horse at all - his gaits of choice were walk, running walk, trot and canter. BUT, speaking of canter, he didn't want to at all to begin with - but I suspect it was because he had been trained in no uncertain terms that trotting was taboo! (Does anyone else remember when Granny on the Beverly Hillbillies bought the harness trotter and decided to race him herself? Gosh what a flashback, probably 40+ years! They definitely finished first - but his gallop didn't go over so well!) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[IceHorses] Paceyness
as for his paceyness, is the degree of paceyness based on how often they pace, or how awful it is. because the latter was how I was judging it. That's a good question. Personally, I always consider it the other way: if they can't do anything but pace at any speed, or if most of the other gaits are hard for them. I've always thought if they show other gaits pretty willingly and easily...well, I'll just aim for the other gaits. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
[IceHorses] Circle of Energy
Bia said: DO IT FOR THE CIRCLE OF GOOD ENERGY THAT SURROUNDS ALL OF US! It will come back to you. How does that work? Is that karma? Does it have a connection to the secret? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
Let's talk about the brachiocephalicus. Does anyone know what the brachiocephalicus is? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Paceyness
On 7/9/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: as for his paceyness, is the degree of paceyness based on how often they pace, or how awful it is. because the latter was how I was judging it. That's a good question. Personally, I always consider it the other way: if they can't do anything but pace at any speed, or if most of the other gaits are hard for them. I've always thought if they show other gaits pretty willingly and easily...well, I'll just aim for the other gaits. yeah that would be good, cause if a horse never wanted to do anything but a slamming hard pace, oh lord kill me now. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Circle of Energy
judy... it is what it is... positive thinking and positive energy will attract positive energy. The secret is just a book someone wrote saying what ancient cultures already know and teach. Like the saying What goes around comes around (negative and positive)... And as in christianity the saying: do unto others as you would have them do unto you is written whatever you believe... think positively...do positive things and it will come to you in some way in the future. We all learn from being self sacrificing.
Re: [IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
On 7/9/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's talk about the brachiocephalicus. Does anyone know what the brachiocephalicus is? uhmn no? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Circle of Energy
On 7/9/07, Bia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: judy... it is what it is... positive thinking and positive energy will attract positive energy. The secret is just a book someone wrote saying what ancient cultures already know and teach. Like the saying What goes around comes around (negative and positive)... And as in christianity the saying: do unto others as you would have them do unto you is written whatever you believe... think positively...do positive things and it will come to you in some way in the future. We all learn from being self sacrificing. The Secret book says that right at the beginning, that all it is is something thats been around forever, that all sorts of ancient cultures and people knew... the law of attraction. Like Jesus saying what u reap is what u sow. if we give things will be given. But that doesnt mean we should give if it will hurt those we have to take care of. We should give what we can when we can tho! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Circle of Energy
Yes, hat is true Janice, and giving does not have to be financial, it can be helping someone paint thier house... or organize their Garage, ( Oprah was just on, LOL ) Debbie in MN Huginn's Hospital Fund sites http://iceryder.net/ravenhuginn.html http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp Please send pictures/info for Our Fundraiser Auction to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we all do a little, we will have a lot
Re: [IceHorses] Circle of Energy
Bia, I really like you, I almost copied your phrase for the bottom of my current signiture line... I LOVE IT, When I read it Smiled... cause it is so true... -- Debbie in MN Huginn's Hospital Fund sites http://iceryder.net/ravenhuginn.html http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgtrq74d_386xtqp Please send pictures/info for Our Fundraiser Auction to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we all do a little, we will have a lot
Re: [IceHorses] Paceyness
In my limited experience and based on the opinions of the folks on the gaited endurance list, a hard pace is going to be an uncomfortable ride no matter what. They would equate pacyness with how deeply ingrained it is as a primary intermediate gait and not how uncomfortable it is to ride. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Paceyness
On 7/9/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my limited experience and based on the opinions of the folks on the gaited endurance list, a hard pace is going to be an uncomfortable ride no matter what. They would equate pacyness with how deeply ingrained it is as a primary intermediate gait and not how uncomfortable it is to ride. Nancy when i first started riding jas pace was very very deeply ingrained. I think the Cure that pace! stuff really helped. how to break up the pace by doing cavalettis and figure 8s etc at varying speeds, going up and down hills etc. One thing Liz did at the clinic last year was have you do a half pass. I could see that would be very VERY helpful for pace, I could just feel it. Because it was something I learned on my own a similar thing, where if Jaspar started getting too pacey I would sorta lightly apply pressure to one rein while keeping him going straight. hard to explain. But she taught us to do it right and I could feel the horse's body bend into a whole nother frame instead of just his nose move. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
Does anyone know what the brachiocephalicus is? I don't have my medical or Greek and Latin dictionaries here in KY. But let's see brachius is related to arms; cephalus is skull - so a skull with arms attached? Hahah? Anneliese So Judy, what is it - you would not ask if you did not already know.
Re: [IceHorses] Paceyness
Oh - someone in Twist's past spent some nice ring time with him and one of the things he does nicely is a half pass - maybe that's what they were doing. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
But let's see brachius is related to arms; cephalus is skull - so a skull with arms attached? Hahah? OR...maybe the area between the arms and the skull...? The neck...? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Paceyness
They would equate pacyness with how deeply ingrained it is as a primary intermediate gait and not how uncomfortable it is to ride. I tend not to believe the ingrained part as much as some people do. I do believe that habit and muscle memory are factors, but I also suspect that, many times it's simply easier to say it's ingrained than to keep looking for a cause. Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt that some horses have conformation leading them to pace, and may be pacey no matter what...but it takes time to do the investigating and exercises to work on improving it, and I suspect many people don't want to be bothered. (I'm thinking of one really pacey horse in the area who I'd bet money simply needs a saddle that fits.) Anyway, I think it's a multi-faceted problem that needs to be addressed in detail on an individual basis. You've probably noticed by now that I'm not the kind of person to accept ingrained as sufficiently detailed...:) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
On 09/07/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But let's see brachius is related to arms; cephalus is skull - so a skull with arms attached? Hahah? OR...maybe the area between the arms and the skull...? The neck...? When in doubt google... http://www.justequine.com/photos.html You'll find it just below the 'rectus' photo... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] nasi lope
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a good video of nasi doing an excellent western pleasure quarterhorse lope (honestly, it looks just like one to me, one of those ideal peanut roller lopes all the wgc quarterhorses do) and a cute little nos-nos I'm HAPPY! buck at the end :) Very nice. Love the buzz cut. I will be doing alot of that this winter. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: [IceHorses] saddles sold/for sale
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I sold my Sensation G3 trail saddle. I still have for sale the Trekker for 350, pic attached. Also, my new used Sensation Hybrid should arrive tomorrow and if it is too small it will be for sale, What a nice saddle. I wish I could buy it. My butt head husband would kill me. LOL Happy Trails from Lori Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
RE: [IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
Does anyone know what the brachiocephalicus is? Not really. I did a google search on it, and all I found was pretty technical. Can you get us started? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Responding to the List in Plain Text
Be sure your email program is set to Plain Text format (or basic) and not HTML (or fancy text with colors and backgrounds). The list's spam filter will probably eat any emails send to the list if not in plain text, so be sure to get your email program set to plain text, and not HTML or Rich Text. I know it's harder for people who have AOL, which is why many of our listees use their gmail accounts to post to the list. Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Ice or No Ice
This afternoon I got my Equus magizine. The first thing my mom said was that my pony, Jakey, was on the cover. And low and behold the pony of the front look just like him. The cover story was about Connemaras. I have finally been able to post pictures of Jakey in the picture section. Tell me, Icelandic or not. The pictures are under Jakey, the rescued pony. Jr PS I have not found information on Connemarras living long long lives. The dentist puts Jakey at atleast 30 years old.
Re: [IceHorses] Pictures from the Icelandic Horse Farm
Karen Thomas wrote: I was looking through some old pictures and found a couple from our first trip to visit Robyn, Phil and Christine (in March 2003) that I liked. I believe the bay is Lettir, but I don't recognize that pinto. Wow! Thanks for posting that pic, Karen. Lettir is Kopar's sire. Trish
Re: [IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
this is what it says on the link that was posted a few posts ago... Brachiocephalicus permits the neck to bend and it also moves the shoulder forward. If your horse has problems bending to the inside, massaging of these muscles will help allow a greater range of motion in the neck.
RE: [IceHorses] Pictures from the Icelandic Horse Farm
The pinto is Faxi, Karen Harvey owns him - so I think he is back in Alaska?? Is she on the list? If not, if anyone has her e-mail address, feel free to forward it. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
this is what it says on the link that was posted a few posts ago... Brachiocephalicus permits the neck to bend and it also moves the shoulder forward. If your horse has problems bending to the inside, massaging of these muscles will help allow a greater range of motion in the neck. here's the link by the way... sorry had to go back and look for it... neat site actually. good photos. http://www.justequine.com/photos.html
Re: [IceHorses] A view of Vernon, BC
On 7/9/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken from the balcony of the BB we stayed at. This is getting way off topic - sorry, just taking a walk down memory lane! :) Wow!! I had hoped to attend a clinic in BC this summer--not sure I'll make it, but I will go one day for sure! V
Re: [IceHorses] A view of Vernon, BC
On 09/07/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Taken from the balcony of the BB we stayed at. This is getting way off topic - sorry, just taking a walk down memory lane! :) Were you at Emmy's? It's a beautiful spot. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] saddles sold/for sale
On 09/07/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The babe maybe, but not so skinny compared to what I used to be! I'd love to have the saddle but I know that hubby would have a hairy fit if I buy another saddle at this present time.. :( V Oh...they all say they'll have a fit. Or that's it. Or enough! It's all just crazy talk. Believe me...after a while they just turn a blind eye when you come wrestling in the door with another box. I must say I am happy with this new Sensation, and I thought Gusti liked his BMSS.. Who knew? Wanda married for 28 years...
[IceHorses] What gait TWH gelding #2
Odd angle, yes, but can you tell? This is the same horse whose picture I just sent. Karen Thomas, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM attachment: Pic_0843.JPG
Re: [IceHorses] Brachiocephalicus
Does anyone know what the brachiocephalicus is? I don't have my medical or Greek and Latin dictionaries here in KY. But let's see brachius is related to arms; cephalus is skull - so a skull with arms attached? Hahah? That was a great guess, Anneliese! Here's what it is: Brachiocephalicus: Wide strap like muscle It's origin is at the base of the skull behind the jaw; and connects to below the point of shoulder to the humerus. The brachio muscle moves the head from side to side, pulls the scapula forward, raises it in collection, swings the foreleg forward. The brachio muscle should be well developed for good movement. Too strong a rein contact stops free forward movement. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] What gait TWH gelding #2
On 09/07/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Odd angle, yes, but can you tell? This is the same horse whose picture I just sent. Pace. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] What gait TWH gelding #2
Pace. Yes, not very broken at all. Did you see the post where I sent several pics at once of him? What do you see in those? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] What gait, black TWH gelding
Karen Thomas wrote: Not one of mine, just a picture I have. Can anyone tell me what gait from this angle? Pace? Trish
RE: [IceHorses] A view of Vernon, BC
Were you at Emmy's? It's a beautiful spot. Yes, that time. The next time we stayed in Vernon - I was working and needed internet access. Did you stay with her? Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007 6:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] A view of Vernon, BC
On 09/07/07, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Were you at Emmy's? It's a beautiful spot. Yes, that time. The next time we stayed in Vernon - I was working and needed internet access. Did you stay with her? Karen Yes, she was wonderful to Cara and I. We really enjoyed her company. I'm an early riser, so I always bring my coffee fixings where ever I go... I still recall my quiet cup of coffee on the patio overlooking the valley, while smelling her huge roses and watching the hummingbirds buzz around. I get a peaceful feeling just thinking about it. Wanda
