[IceHorses] Nicker Network
Nicker Network - Television for the Horse World. The online, on-demand, multichannel television network that delivers what the horse world wants to watch, when it wants to watch, and how it wants to watch. Arriving November 10, 2007 http://www.nickernetwork.com It's free! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] What a Good Boy!
Cute little TWH that has been sold. Boy...what a good horse! Crazy rider...hahahehe! http://www.adamshorseandmuleco.com/video/100_0941.mov Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
Re: [IceHorses] Clipping
On 01/10/2007, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here's a little video: > > http://iceryder.net/videoclipping.html She looked like she was enjoying that... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Clipping
> I've been contemplating a simple clip for Andi when he > gets home from training, but we get nights in the > teens and below frequently in the winter, and if their > belly/chest/neck were clipped, wouldn't they be cold there? I clipped Ljufur's underneck and underbelly when we were in AZ in the winter. He never shivvered or seemed unduly cold, but I think you have to make the best decision for your own horse according to how much he sweats, how much he's ridden, the climate / temps, and whether he'll be blanketed or not. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Clipping
--- Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I realized late yesterday afternoon that Charm was > sweating, so it was time to bring out the clippers! > > Here's a little video:> > http://iceryder.net/videoclipping.html > It was even greater that the dog ran back and forth, and she didn't even jump about it! I've been contemplating a simple clip for Andi when he gets home from training, but we get nights in the teens and below frequently in the winter, and if their belly/chest/neck were clipped, wouldn't they be cold there? Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396545469
[IceHorses] Re: Looking the horse in the mouth...
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Judy Ryder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That would be good to add to their PR: Spend $5 to $50K on an Icelandic and > we'll be sure to sell you an inferior one. > Judy, you are funny! Right, well whoever said that is moving it right along. I remember thinking the same thing when I saw that. I don't care what they say, my horses have a heart:) They are wonderful little guys. That is an old line, I've heard it over and over, it's obviously a way to try and make people feel inferior (when logical defenses end, the hostility rises), not very well thought out, but I guess, why would it be? Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Looking the horse in the mouth...
> couldnt believe it when one person commented that you had > "slaughterhouse breeding stock", Someone said that? > wonder why people would assume that just because an animal is imported > to the US it is automatically an inferior breeding stock animal. Maybe they only sell the inferior ones to Americans (or outside of Iceland)? That would be good to add to their PR: Spend $5 to $50K on an Icelandic and we'll be sure to sell you an inferior one. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Clipping
I realized late yesterday afternoon that Charm was sweating, so it was time to bring out the clippers! Here's a little video: http://iceryder.net/videoclipping.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Today's quotes
> "Horses change lives. They give our young people confidence and self > esteem. They provide peace and tranquility to troubled souls - they > give us hope" - Toni Robinson That's a nice one! We can take it a little further and help our children learn good horsemanship, how to relate to horses in a partnership way. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] riding vacation spot (slightly off topic)
Thought everyone in the southeast (or wherever) might be interested in this spot. I was surfing the net for mules and found it! Bia http://www.birdsongtrailride.com/index.html
Re: [IceHorses] Charm, As The Sun Goes Down
Photographers used to call that "sweet light" - it's a good name for this pretty picture. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] 15 min of fame now vaccines
You can have bloodtests (titers) done on your horses for many of the vaccines to see if they still have immunity but since the titers cost more than the vaccines, most people won't bother. Not only are the titers expensive, but it's another pin-prick for the animal to endure, and more time to wait on the results - and if the titers aren't high enough, that wasted time is time the animal is vulnerable. And it still takes a lot of time and funding to prove exactly where the titer levels need to be, just as it takes time and funding to prove how long the vaccines last. How do we find the point where immunity stops? Lots of time, lots of money, and animals have to get sick and even die. This isn't an easy or quick study... Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Falki, the peanut rolling western pleasure horse
>>> bless his heart. well now i dont feel so bad about teev being chunky, he >>> is about the same level of chunkiness :) Janice I don't know about Teev's current level of chubbiness, and Falki definitely isn't thin, but Falki is actually a bigger horse than Tivar. I weight-taped Falki today at 1003 pounds. He's probably about two inches taller than Tivar. He's a little chubby, but he's also a big horse...with a big heart to match. He's a good fellow. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Re: vaccines
I got several private e-mails from people telling me of others who aren't vaccinating their Icelandic's for ANYTHING. I was aghast that people with so much money and supposedly so much education could be so naïve. Apparently this woman isn't the only one. No, she's not. I'm another. Perhaps we get our education from different sources, and my sources don't make money from vaccinations. Unfortunately, I got my education on the value of vaccinations from the school of reality. When I was a child, there weren't many vets in the area - not like now. I can't count the number of kittens and puppies I knew of (a couple were mine, others belonged to friends) who died from distemper. My parents grew up in fear of "mad dogs" - my daddy had to destroy one of his dogs after a rabid stray attacked his when he was a teenager. (My father was as big an animal lover as I am, so that about killed him.) Our blind cat, Ray Charles, apparently had distemper when we found him as a 8-10 week-old kitten, but we were able to nurse him through it - but he lost his vision. About 20 years ago, I got a lovely little lab-mix puppy from the pound - not knowing there was a parvo outbreak there. I took her to the vet the next day, but he smelled the parvo smell, even though she wasn't showing signs yet. She got sick that night, struggled valiantly, but finally lost the battle, despite a big vet bill. I've had literally dozens and dozens of dogs and cats in my life, and almost three-dozen horses. I can only cite one reaction to a vaccine, and it was quite mild, but I can remember dozens of animals who died from the diseases...thankfully not so many now that vaccines are more readily available. BTW, the horse who had the reaction to the vaccine...? He's had his vaccinations since, and he's doing very well. He'll be 28 next spring. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1040 - Release Date: 9/30/2007 9:01 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Looking the horse in the mouth...
oh my gosh, I thought jarl looked like Runa!! She is that same AWESOME color and has a very similar head! She is just glorious. I couldnt believe it when one person commented that you had "slaughterhouse breeding stock", because I was thinking how your stud Melnir is just so magnificent and well bred, but I had no idea Runa (to me--Lucy Ricardo redhead :) was jarl's "niece" :) It makes you wonder why people would assume that just because an animal is imported to the US it is automatically an inferior breeding stock animal. How can something be inferior bloodlines when they are all so closely related! Just boarding an airplane doesnt lower the value and quality of great genetics anyway, my rant du jour. karen, dont you have a nice photo of runa other than her homely teeth? haha Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Falki, the peanut rolling western pleasure horse
On 10/1/07, Karen Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok, actually, he was just sedated for his teeth floating. Awww, looks like he needs a hug! V
Re: [IceHorses] vaccines
>> IMO, never vaccinated and not vaccinating are worlds apart. > how so, i dont get that cheryl? Never having been vaccinated and giving initial vaccinations yet not following an aggressive booster schedule are completely different to my mind. IMHO we over vaccinate just about everything these days. The number of vaccinations my grandkids are getting compared to what my kids had is staggering! They're not even vaccinations for new disease just a much more aggressive schedule of vaccinations. Why? Money for vaccine manufacturers? Many horses are vaccinated even more frequently than recommended by vaccine manufacturers. If a little is good, is more and more better? Not to my mind when it comes to vaccinations. There is a point that they are likely to start to do more harm than good. What is enough? What is too much? Manufacturers should be required to fund studies for duration of immunity, to answer the above questions. As it is they do a 12 month study, prove immunity lasts for 1 year. Then, so they don't have to fund a 2, 3, 5 or 10 year study (yikes can you just imagine how much that would cost?), let's just slap the immune system with a booster and avoid spending money for studies on the duration of adequate immunity levels. Yeah, owners may spend trying to treat immune disorders, but the manufacturers have pocketed their money and don't care about the immune system disorders you are left to struggle with. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
[IceHorses] Ignorant Horse Folks Video
Warning IMHOthis horse is being abused. What the he$$ is wrong with some humans? These ignorant people do not deserve this horse. Poor thing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdkamNguH7M Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] Re: vaccines
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, "Karen Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got several private > e-mails from people telling me of others who aren't vaccinating their > Icelandic's for ANYTHING. I was aghast that people with so much money and > supposedly so much education could be so naïve. Apparently this woman isn't > the only one. > No, she's not. I'm another. Perhaps we get our education from different sources, and my sources don't make money from vaccinations. Meg
Re: [IceHorses] Falki, the peanut rolling western pleasure horse
bless his heart. well now i dont feel so bad about teev being chunky, he is about the same level of chunkiness :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Passport photos - Brunka
On 10/1/07, Wanda Lauscher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wow...she looks like her half brother Dagur...at least around the eyes. > > Wanda > wow, she does, its the first thing I noticed, the "eyeshadow", the big soft eyes. It would be very hard not to anthropomorphicise (sp haha) her as a "little girl" :) Like my little dog ruby, she is little and prissy and has a little prissy walk so I always think of her as a little girl. To me Brunka looks like a little girl... but Dagur doesnt look "little" as in childlike. to me. just musing aloud... also I am very sad for brunka, and she is embarssed you can see especially in the middle picture, that her halter is so drab and "masculine". bless her heart. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] vaccines
On 10/1/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > e-mails from people telling me of others who aren't vaccinating their > > Icelandic's for ANYTHING. > > IMO, never vaccinated and not vaccinating are worlds apart. how so, i dont get that cheryl? Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Andi goes to school with a Cowboy Trainer
I took Andi to his Cowboy Trainer today. It is only fitting that my little palomino is getting his training in Palomino Valley! My trainer, Josh Foster, is a natural horsemanship trainer in the vein of Bill Dorrance and Ray Hunt and the like. I just love to watch Josh with a horse (he's a mule and donkey trainer, too). He is so quiet and easy, and I left Andi in VERY good hands. I unloaded Andi and put him in Josh's round pen while we talked about him. I told Josh that Andi had a bad round pen experience with my trainer that trained Whisper a couple of years ago. That was the time she was roundpenning what she saw as a stubborn stallion, and all I saw was a scared horse running from her. I told Josh that since, I really have never round penned him, just worked him on the end of a lunge line, so if he got scared, I had some control over him. In the first two clips, Josh and I had finished talking and he went to introduce himself to Andi. All Andi had done till then was calmly explore the round pen. http://affiliate.kickapps.com/kickapps/service/displayMediaPlayPage.kickAction?mediaType=VIDEO&mediaId=89975&as=6211 http://affiliate.kickapps.com/kickapps/service/displayMediaPlayPage.kickAction?mediaType=VIDEO&mediaId=90002&as=6211 Josh then asked Andi to move around the pen a couple of times to see his reaction. This was slightly nervous for me as I remember his last round penning a couple of years ago. I was relieved by Andi's experience with Josh, to say the least. I was especially happy with Andi's eye. http://affiliate.kickapps.com/kickapps/service/displayMediaPlayPage.kickAction?mediaType=VIDEO&mediaId=90013&as=6211 Josh then got out the flag to see Andi's reaction. I have worked with flagging him before, but I also told Josh that Andi can get scared with "BIG" movements and he wanted to get BIG with Andi, then stop being BIG when Andi stopped and looked at him. Andi took it all in stride. http://affiliate.kickapps.com/kickapps/service/displayMediaPlayPage.kickAction?mediaType=VIDEO&mediaId=90022&as=6211 When I left Palomino Valley with an empty trailer, I was not sad at all like I expected to be. I was very happy and very excited that I found a trainer such as Josh. I will be getting frequent updates, and getting my first lesson on Andi in 3 weeks, then again before I bring him home after 30 days. And yes, I know 30 days is not long, but Andi has a solid foundation on the ground, and I like and enjoy training, but I wanted someone I trusted to put the first 30 days of RIDING on Andi. Andi deserves a confident first rider and not a scared middle-aged woman who will "put teeth marks on the saddle", as Josh says. I love that expression! And yes, I would have put teeth marks in the saddle, and Andi deserves a RELAXED, CONFIDENT rider to start his saddle work! Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
[IceHorses] Today's quotes
I don't think these quotes are exactly what Judy had in mind when she mentioned this - I think she was looking for stuff to generate more discussion - but I have collected them over the years so I thought everyone (or some) might enjoy them. SO --- "Take most people, they're crazy about cars. I'd rather have a goddam horse. A horse is at least human, for godsake" - Holden Caulifield, in JD Salingers's The Catcher in the Rye "Horses change lives. They give our young people confidence and self esteem. They provide peace and tranquility to troubled souls - they give us hope" - Toni Robinson -- Laree What a horse does under compulsion is done without understanding, and there is no beauty in it either, any more than if one should whip or spur a dancer. -Xenophon
Re: [IceHorses] vaccines
> e-mails from people telling me of others who aren't vaccinating their > Icelandic's for ANYTHING. IMO, never vaccinated and not vaccinating are worlds apart. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
RE: [IceHorses] vaccines
It's not a question of whether vaccines are good or effective. We all know they are important and that they save pain, suffering and lives. It depends on your definition of "we" I guess. I talked to a woman about buying an imported Icelandic mare a couple of years ago. The mare had been in the USA for several years, and the owner had put a boatload of money into the mare's training and boarding - in addition to the mare's initial purchase price. (I'm pretty sure the training alone had been WELL over $10,000, for a mare that supposedly was initially trainedand she still had issues.) I was absolutely shocked that the woman literally had tens of thousands of dollars in the mare, but had NEVER vaccinated her for anything. Nada. She was on the east coast too, where many diseases are rampant. Her reason? "It's too hard on their immune system." Well, best I can tell, EEE, WEE, WNV and rabies aren't so great for the old immune system too. When Stali's and Svertla's story came out last year, I got several private e-mails from people telling me of others who aren't vaccinating their Icelandic's for ANYTHING. I was aghast that people with so much money and supposedly so much education could be so naïve. Apparently this woman isn't the only one. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.35/1040 - Release Date: 9/30/2007 9:01 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Passport photos - Brunka
Wow...she looks like her half brother Dagur...at least around the eyes. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Vaccinations
On 10/1/07, IceDog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I believe I was likely the first to suggest less aggressive vaccination > schedules, along with the first to promote barefoot and bitless riding (even > before this list existed). > > I've always been on the less harsh side, funny that some (relative > newcomers) who don't know me or my history like to place me elsewhere! :o) > > Cheryl > well I for one am proud of your for that. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Vaccinations
> Many years ago, on the list, we came to the conclusion that it was much > better for the imported horses to have their vaccinations separately and > spread out over a period of time. I believe I was likely the first to suggest less aggressive vaccination schedules, along with the first to promote barefoot and bitless riding (even before this list existed). I've always been on the less harsh side, funny that some (relative newcomers) who don't know me or my history like to place me elsewhere! :o) Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] Vaccinations
giving 2 weeks in between is a little safer for the horse > than giving all the vax at one time. Many years ago, on the list, we came to the conclusion that it was much better for the imported horses to have their vaccinations separately and spread out over a period of time. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re: 15 min of fame
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Dee Dreslough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >>>(Skye) Not really arguing here on the importance of Rabies shots, just that > > horses do die from vaccine shots from time to time, death from getting an overload... > > I know vet-visits are expensive, but could spacing vaccinations weeks > apart avoid this? > > -Dee the Lurker Dee, this is what I do--I separate the vax and give them myself, giving 2 weeks in between. Altho my background is nursing so I know the basics of giving an injection, my vet showed me how to give them properly to a horse. Saves money and is a little safer for the horse than giving all the vax at one time. I do this for my dogs too, altho I take them to the vet and separate as much as possible. My vet is holistic, and so they don't charge extra for each visit--just the initial exam. Then they only charge for the vaccine itself when I go back. I don't give the dogs their vax myself b/c I had a dog that had horrible anaphylactic reactions to vaccines, so it gives me the willies to think about doing my dogs here at home. Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Restricting Breathing
Say we put on a dropped noseband, slide a couple of fingers in there, and all looks well. That's on the static horse. Now, put the horse in motion, with a rider, and we not only have a dynamic horse, but dynamics and mechanics between horse and rider. With the rider's influence on the bit, the noseband may, or may not, be a protection to the horse from the bit and the rider's hands. When we see the old cowboy movies or the old cave paintings or carvings of horses opening their mouths from the bit they *have* the option to open away from the pain / action of the bit. The horse with a noseband that fits statically, does not have that option. He may try to open away from the pain / action, but he is stopped, and it then negatively impinges on his breathing There's no way *out* for a horse with a dropped noseband. These are the circumstances that Louis Taylor is referring to when he mentions "horse controllers" versus horsemen. Is there something wrong with relying on horsemanship and not a noseband? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] OT- a funny bird
So, this bird walks into a store A seagull in Scotland has developed the habit of stealing chips from a neighborhood shop. The seagull waits until the shopkeeper isn't looking, and then walks into the store and grabs a snack-size bag of cheese Doritos. Once outside, the bag gets ripped open and shared by other birds. The seagull's shoplifting started early this month when he first swooped into the store in Aberdeen, Scotland, and helped himself to a bag of chips. Since then, he's become a regular. He always takes the same type of chips. Customers have begun paying for the seagull's stolen bags of chips because they think it's so funny. -- yipie tie yie yo <>
Re: [IceHorses] puttin in the rye
> > Many grasses that make good hay (yield, etc.) don't tolerate grazing. > > Cheryl > i just know some have beautiful pastures of tifton 9 for instance, and I bought some tifton 9 hay and jaspar backed up and pooped on it, swished his tail and strode off and refused to eat it :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] vaccines
> I recently had a conversation with a Vet who said there are a > number of Vets who would like someone to do more research > about how long vaccines last in horses because they suspect > that many only need to be given several years apart and some > maybe only once a lifetime. The vaccine people aren't really > interested in this research (they make a lot of money with > vaccines) and, he admitted, neither are a number of vets because > the yearly vaccines are often the only time vets get to see a client's > horse! Exactly Cherie! It's not a question of whether vaccines are good or effective. We all know they are important and that they save pain, suffering and lives. The issue is when does the potential benefit of additional vaccines or frequency of vaccination begin to cause disease? Just because something is good doesn't always mean that more is better, or even harmless! I hope one day the duration of immunity will be studied and recommended revaccinate schedules will be due to knowledge of duration of immunity rather than lack of it! Dr. Dodds has raised enough money to begin her rabies challenge study! Yeah! I've donated multiple times and will continue to do so through the completion of her study. Hopefully horses will also benefit from the knowledge gained from her rabies study. I hope every pet owner will consider donating, regularly! http://rabieschallengefund.com/index.html Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
Re: [IceHorses] Legs, Form, Function, Flight and Movement
>>> http://iceryder.net/videolegflight.html Watch the video, looking at the front legs and their flight pattern. Things to notice: [] Is the leg straight (perpendicular to the ground), or does it lean, in or out? [] If the leg is crooked, where does the deviation start... at the elbow? knee? pastern? hoof? [] When the foot lands, does it land pointing straight ahead, or pointing in or out? [] Does the leg travel straight, from front to back? [] Does the flight deviate, as in winging in or winging out? [] Are the front feet spaced apart, or are they working close together / on the median line? [] When the airborn leg is at the end of it's furthest most point backwards, is the hoof under the body or outside of the body of the horse? [] Does the hoof flick outwards at the end of it's flight? [] Do both legs have the same deviation in flight or are they different? [] What effect do shoes and boots have on the flight of the leg? the landing? Watch the video over and over again, to see what you can see. The more familiar you become with the flight of the legs, the more you will be able to see. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] puttin in the rye
> Also, just a word to the wise, seems we have learned the > best grasses for hay are not the best grasses for pasture and vice > versa. not really sure why. Many grasses that make good hay (yield, etc.) don't tolerate grazing. Cheryl Sand Creek Icelandics Icelandic Horses & Icelandic Sheepdogs website: www.toltallyice.com
[IceHorses] Legs, Form, Function, Flight and Movement
Here's a video about horse legs, Icelandic in particular, beginning the study of form, function, flight, and movement. http://iceryder.net/videolegflight.html To be able to breed a better leg, with better conformation, better movement, and better function, we need to understand the leg and it's biomechanics. Your input on this subject? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] puttin in the rye
On 10/1/07, Virginia Tupper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Do you grow it just to enrich your soil or do you let your horses > graze on it in the winter? > (I know nothing about growing hay, etc) > > V > I grow it for both. But Virginia, you need to contact your govt. dept of agriculture or feed store coop or whatever they have in canada and have your soil tested and analyzed. Then you can go for there on having a great pasture. We had ours done and found out the ratio of lime and fertilzer, how many pounds per acre and the best grass to plant. For instance, we were told based on our soil to plant either pensacola or argentine bahia. People who live only ten minutes away were saying oh thats crazy, tifton 9 is so much cheaper and just as good. But we had already planted pensacola. Then we find out from an old farmer "good thing you did, Pensacola seed won't germinate if its planted too deep amd with sandy soil when you disc up the ground and then drag the area to cover the seed, it is usually buried too deep to germinate." So see, there is a lot to learn and it depends on your location and soil type. Also, just a word to the wise, seems we have learned the best grasses for hay are not the best grasses for pasture and vice versa. not really sure why. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] 15 min of fame
On 9/30/07, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >my sister has 2 children with autism, it showed up > after the vaccines both timesher other 2 older children who did > not get the vaccines are perfectly fine. > someone told me the other day that "they" think autism being so rampant these days because "more and more older women are having kids". I felt kinda funny hearing that cause my mom was forty 3 weeks before I was born. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Sloping Shoulder / Skye
>> >>>a sloping big shoulder and a neck that connects to the back of >> > the withers >> >> Skye, do you have a picture of a sloping shoulder? What degree of >> slope is it? > > Well I do not have the degree, its in my eye. I know when I see it. > I can send you pics of some horses over here...but I am working for > the next 3 days and will not have tome until Sunday, then I would > actually have to reminder on top of that. I will try. OK, looking forward to seeing pictures. It's hard for us to tell, thru email, just words, if we are all meaning the same thing. Having the picture and video medium is great! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] 15 min of fame
> > So what do we do about the wild animals? Finland has long been rabies-free > (except for one case a few years ago, an imported horse) but the last > epidemic was in wild animals. > > > In Finland almost all the dogs are vaccinated, These two comments in your post are tied together Krisse. At the forum they explained that the link between humans and wild animals getting rabies is household pets. If we vaccinate our domestic animals it will not go back and forth so much between wild and domestic. and will begin to subside. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] OT-I'm so excited!
I read that they take silk thread and roll the tail feathers up and tie them, and also keep them on perches off the ground, and never allow them to walk on the ground. I had one japanese golden phoenix rooster. they are a similar "long tail variety" and are supposed to have up to 20 ft tail feathers and in one year he had three feet long ones but a coon or fox or something got him but I saved the tail feathers :) And he walked around on the ground and had no special care to protect the feathers. Whats cool about the new babies hatched is they are all real white with a few black splotches. So they will be real pretty. if not coon food! y I have some golden phoenix hens left but no rooster. So if I have more than one rooster I will try and breed him with a phoenix and see what I get. I love fancy chickens. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] 15 min of fame
In Finland almost all the dogs are vaccinated, some every year, some every other year. Still there are far more deaths from diseases that could be prevented by those vaccinations than there are deaths caused by vaccines. But if someone has a dog die from for example distemper they are usually quiet about it (that they have neglected the vaccination or the dog has been illegally imported from Russia etc), but when a dog dies because it gets a reaction to vaccine, it's all over the net and everyone is warning each other not to vaccinate or at least not to vaccinate with that brand of vaccine. So all people hear is how dangerous vaccines are. Very good points, Krisse. Over my lifetime, I've known entire litters to die from preventable diseases like distemper and parvovirus. I don't doubt that a FEW puppies/kittens may die from reactions to vaccinations. But we have to go with the statistical odds. Over history, how many people died from tetanus, diphtheria, and whooping cough versus how many have had reactions to the vaccinations? (And how many of the claimed reactions are even valid...?) My cousin went totally deaf at 18 months from a secondary infection following measles. I'm sure she wishes there had been a vaccine when she was small. She probably wouldn't have had the vaccine by that young age, but if her older brother and sister had been immunized, they wouldn't have brought it home to her. I'm very allergic to penicillin - had a horrible reaction to it as a child. But, I don't go around telling people not to take penicillin. It's a wonder drug, and the world would be lost without it. How many lives has it saved since it was discovered? We always have to use some judgment on an individual basis. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] puttin in the rye
Do you grow it just to enrich your soil or do you let your horses graze on it in the winter? (I know nothing about growing hay, etc) Ryegrass is for winter grazing. It's the legume-type forages (clover, lespedeza...) that are used to enrich the soils. We try to plant winter rye some years, and this is one of those years. The problem with planting it here, is that it needs to be planted in September or October, and those are often dry months. Often it won't germinate. We planted some a few weeks ago and it has germinated...but now there's no rain in sight, so I expect it may die. One year we planted it and it was so lush that I had to ration the horses' time on it! Managing grazing land is a crapshoot - I wish I had a crystal ball sometimes. We rarely plant ryegrass because the success is so iffy. We did this year, simply because hay is so scarce. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Hmmm, interesting
He seems to hate women, all trainers other than himself, and I'm not sure he even likes horses! With an attitude like that, even if he had something important to say (and I'm not saying he does), if he alienates everyone, who would listen? Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] 15 min of fame now vaccines
I vaccinate for the things that the odds are good they'll kill my horses if they get it-West Nile, WEE & EEE, rabies and tetanus. I space each one out at least two weeks apart and I don't deworm at the same time. I also do regular fecals and deworm according to what I see. I recently had a conversation with a Vet who said there are a number of Vets who would like someone to do more research about how long vaccines last in horses because they suspect that many only need to be given several years apart and some maybe only once a lifetime. The vaccine people aren't really interested in this research (they make a lot of money with vaccines) and, he admitted, neither are a number of vets because the yearly vaccines are often the only time vets get to see a client's horse! You can have bloodtests (titers) done on your horses for many of the vaccines to see if they still have immunity but since the titers cost more than the vaccines, most people won't bother. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Hmmm, interesting
Man - this guy is out there! Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Hmmm, interesting
On 10/1/07, Mic Rushen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >I have yet to see a modern woman that is willing to obey another human > > being without asking question or without demanding explanations or > > justifications. Even if she would somehow manage to scramble up enough > > self-discipline to keep her mouth shut, she would be thinking about what > > she has done the rest of the day and half the night, while most men would > > simply go for beer and think no more. If you follow links to the site about him, he tells about having a rough life and divorce. He sounds very bitter. V
Re: [IceHorses] puttin in the rye
On 9/30/07, Janice McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Where is it you live? I live in New Brunswick, Canada. Here the grass goes dormant in winter and is > brown and dried out, so we plant rye which is a grass that HAS to have > cold to grow, so you can have a beautiful lush green pasture in winter > if you plant rye. Do you grow it just to enrich your soil or do you let your horses graze on it in the winter? (I know nothing about growing hay, etc) V
Re: [IceHorses] Hmmm, interesting
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:44:01 -0300, you wrote: >Further to the link/article Judy just shared: >http://horsemanpro.com/articles2/horsemanship.htm > I just read some more articles by this person (it's a man), talking about Rollkur: >I will be frank, unbiased and without any prejudice, and of course politically >incorrect, when I say that women did this and the men let them, because most >of the participant and judges, instructors and teachers are women. >What caused it? A woman's inability to deal with guilt when harming an > animal; rather than admitting and then correcting the abuse, they invent a > justification (excuse) for it, and then they will stubbornly argue till the > day they die, because admitting the guilt would break their hearts. > By nature they do more thinking than living, while most refuse to do > anything without explanations and justifications. This results in people > trying to ride horses according to some theory instead of according to the > nature of the particular horse. >Most modern women like freethinking and resent discipline; one will hardly > learn anything with such an attitude. >I have yet to see a modern woman that is willing to obey another human > being without asking question or without demanding explanations or > justifications. Even if she would somehow manage to scramble up enough > self-discipline to keep her mouth shut, she would be thinking about what she > has done the rest of the day and half the night, while most men would simply > go for beer and think no more. Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] Hmmm, interesting
On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 16:44:01 -0300, you wrote: >Further to the link/article Judy just shared: >http://horsemanpro.com/articles2/horsemanship.htm > This person has one almighty big chip on his/her shoulder Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
Re: [IceHorses] OT-I'm so excited!
Wow! How on earth does he walk, though? Or can he? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- "Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes"
