[IceHorses] File - Editing, Responding to the List
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Re: [IceHorses] OT Fun - I'm a Great Dane
On 12/1/07 7:33 PM, Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do either of you have stomach issues? Nope, not me! Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] Falki
the woods and I was down there alone to boot, but still not too bad. When I came home from work, I wanted to clean up the paddock while therewas still dayllight and give them more hay. Even with 4 piles Falki wanted them all. Not a big deal, just annoying. I so want them to be happy and getting along. Probably, they're more stir crazy from the small area, then anything else. Anna: You are doing the right thing by adding at least one pile more than there are horses. Adding space is also important. The more space the better. Horses tend to be happier if there is space to run in because then they can choose to be either all together or apart. They will choose to be together 99 percent of the time. And as anyone knows doing something by choice will make both humans and horses happier. So if the horses are now confined in a small area - see if you can give them more space. Also put the hay piles as far apart as you can - so far that chasing the others away from theirs becomes too much bother. Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] My new mule
Bia wrote well she's here! Wow! She is s beautiful and her feet look nice from the top! We want to breed an Icelandic Mulecross it with a gaited Jack, mabye lomesome... Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic horses do not go fishing on their own accord!
The herring is not given instead of hay it´s given with hay or pasture grass. Regards Malin in Iceland that is interesting malin cause here there are loose minerals designed to be given for horses only on hay or pasturegrass. In fact one brand, Seminole, has minerals called grass-plus. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Falki
i think at first they do overkill Anna, Tivar did, he was very polite at first, and then brutally mean, it would really upset me cause he was so mean to nasi, he would stand and not move, frozen for fear of tivar jumping him. Then tivar settled down and now he acts like jaspar, fights when they come after him but minds his own business otherwise. and when i separate him and nas for some reason nasi calls to him so i know he likes being pastured with him. and now he lets nasi play and act like a youngster without jumping on him all the time. It took about 4-6 months for all that to settle down. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Curiosity and the cat
karen these photos are prescious! the one rivals that in the LTJ book about TTOUCH where it shows the icey and the cat making friends! This is so adorable!! I bet angie is thinking someone took her to disneyland and any day now she is gonna have to go back home to suburbia haha janice -- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] My new mule
Hazel, my big beautiful black molly mule She is BEAUTIFUL I am so fascinated by mules. Is this your first? Mary
Re: [IceHorses] Hugs
On Dec 1, 2007 3:24 PM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My new girl seems to enjoy hugs. Where did you get your new girl? She is so cute. I love that Teev color. teev is a recognized color in the icelandic breed registry. it means chestnut with gabriel blonde locks Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] sucky mud
here we have some really bad deep sucky mud on the trail, especially with drought and going down to drink at ponds and streams that have dried some and left a very muddly bank. People say riding a young horse hard in deep sucky mud is a good way to give them bowed tendons! On the trail I saw an older TWH work himself out of belly deep mud, one step at a time, I thought to myself, man, what a fantastic horse. he never lost his head and just one step, one lunge at a time, got out and I thought we would have to get him out with national geographic helicopters and a crane :) (this was a few years ago) But makes me wonder if it is primitive trail sense... because yesterday going down to a river Tivar demonstrated a primitive trail sense i think. None of the others would go down to drink from the river, a river that goes underground for miles and comes out, fed by springs and it is sorta narrow and deep right now. But when he felt the mud sinking beneath him he did not panic and try and lunge out, he walked quickly DEEPER, like he knew a stream or river gets more solid when you are actually IN it, then he stood belly deep and drank, then when we went to leave I got myself ready for him to lunge out quickly but he did the coolest thing where he sorta hopped out with his front feet then unstuck one back foot, hopped, unstuck the other back foot, in a methodical calm, totally relaxed way. Like he knew the way to work himself out of deep mud. He was also savvy when we came up on a wooden observation deck overlooking a deep deep skinkhole. It was at the state park. The overlook was small, about the size of a stairway landing, and you could easily see over the railing that it was hundreds of feet straight down. that we were SUSPENDED which you would think would terrify a horse. none of the others would go anywhere near it, but he walked out on it and looked all around like cool, then when we started backing out someone hollered be careful its slippery, and it had some sort of algae growing on it that made it very very slippery so I let him back out and he would reach with one foot and test it then let it land, then apply weight slowwwly then when it started to slip adjust himself and I just let him work his way out. He finally did a half turn and hopped over the slipperiest part. its interesting to learn as time goes by what a horse knows and what he doesnt, what terrifies him and what doesnt, what terrible issues he has and what he is ok with. one thing he did also, we had to walk thru a very narrow gate between two tall posts between a low two foot limestone wall. He chose to step over the wall which made him have to hop out with his back feet. interesting. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Weighted Shoes for People
you know judy, gosh, this is just ocurring to me, jaspars hunters bump started appearing after 6 months of him having to wear shoes in front because of his thrush! It was the only time in his life he has had to wear shoes for more than one or two cycles... Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
We want to breed an Icelandic Mulecross it with a gaited Jack, mabye lomesome. What ever happen to those two Ice Mules that were bred in CA...a few years ago? Does any one know? I thnk a Ice Mule would be so darn cute!! Those long ears with all that mane. ;] I love mules. Raven Lucy Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
[IceHorses] The Bowed Tendon Book
Information about shoeing: http://books.google.com/books?id=_GLssq6MHkQCpg=PA145lpg=PA145dq=weighted+shoe+horsesource=webots=3yPdUZKawHsig=0LLPBq_mc4NJiv8TwuxOV_e1QH0#PPA145,M1 or: http://tinyurl.com/26fzjp Judy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Barefoot? Shoes?
I was looking for a photo that depicted the tendons in the lower limb and was shocked at the makeup of the lower leg. There isn't much there EXCEPT for tendons. Here's an article on The Horse, titled Lower Limb Research, which includes information about shoes and torque: http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=4105 With heavy shoes, the whiplash effect is exaggerated. As a result, the pastern tends to be more horizontal during late swing, and the horse has more exaggerated heel-first ground contact. Registration to read the articles is free. Judy
[IceHorses] PETA
wow there is an HBO documentary on this month about the woman who founded PETA. she is ONE scarey broad. and like one person said, did a great deal to harm progress for animal rights by being so militant and hostile. she was crazy actually, had to be, when you watch the documentary you see that she would happily murder a human wearing fur, for instance, if she thought she could get away with it. I just dont see any difference, personally, between harvesting chickens and cows for meat and hide and harvesting rodents for fur. I would not kill a wild animal tho, i cant even hardly kill a deformed chick out of the incubator without vomiting. But if they need to kill labrats to make humans have better lives, hey i'm for it. jmo. But that woman was a nut! Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Hugs
my gosh its not just the color, she has teevs pretty head shape and his sturdy build I think. I asked teev and he said its ok if you name her after him btw. i wonder what gait she is prone too with those long back legs and short front but heavy chest? Tivar is prone to trot with the long back legs and short front but he has a long LONG body, hers is much shorter. I think Liz described it as he had a back end perfect for a rw but a front end so shortlegged there would be no way he could get out of the way of his own back legs. He can be foxtrotty but his default relaxed gait is a beautiful smooth and easy trot. do you have any ideas about her conformation and gait Karen? i swear yesterday Tivar racked again. The horse in front of us took off at a fast canter and he trotted faster and faster and then cantered and then dropped out of it into is high headed gait that feels like he is cross country skiing :) then he stumbled and scared the c*** outa both of us and slowed to a walk and didnt even care at all when she went out of sight,. The lady riding behind me on a tall long legged thoroughbred said thank you! I was getting scared it was so fast! and i was thinking to myself, wow, tivar has scared an off track thoroughbred with his lightning furious blistering speed haha but he stumbled going into a sharp curve so it was hardly the place for speed. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: How Much Contact
I take regular lessons from Svanny who is Icelandic. She is very much into training for a willing horse. I agree with your proposition that we need to judge instructors on an individual basis. Svanny is against using weighted shoes and/or harsher bits for any sort of gait correction. Blessi has never been so light in the hand and responsive. Regards, Pamela pamela, you should video svanny giving you a lesson with blessi, like susan did with andi. that was very nice to be able to watch how different trainers do things. all we get to see are the pros on tv and almost none of us can afford that, so was nice to be able to see a local regional trainer work. abd we could steal tips from them like we do the ones on tv :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Fighting
I will never understand how some humans take pleasure from animal's pain. http://tinyurl.com/ywzmue Some history on Icelandic Horse fighting: http://iceryder.net/horsefighting.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] reason for horse reactions
Now I know why we were not getting along. Look at that moon. Ha Ha. Great pictures. The houses near you are very interesting; adobe type structures. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] The Bowed Tendon Book
I wonder if anyone has experience with bowed tendons?? I searched for images of what it looks like, to remind myself again. I had seen a horse with it a few years ago (huge WB)but haven't seen it since. I have heard of it associated with something called a 'blown knee. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] PETA
On 02/12/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wow there is an HBO documentary on this month about the woman who founded PETA. she is ONE scarey broad. and like one person said, did a great deal to harm progress for animal rights by being so militant and hostile. she was crazy actually, had to be, when you watch the documentary you see that she would happily murder a human wearing fur, for instance, if she thought she could get away with it. Thus the reason for my interest in psychopaths. There are tons of them out there. Not all of them land in prison. Google 'successful psychopath' and see what you come up with. Wanda
RE: [IceHorses] My new mule
What ever happen to those two Ice Mules that were bred in CA...a few years ago? Does any one know? I think a Ice Mule would be so darn cute!! Those long ears with all that mane. ;] I love mules. Raven I twice emailed the person who supposedly bred the Ice Mules, but never got an answer. I'm seriously considering breeding one of my mares this Spring for a gaited mule. We have a couple of good gaited Jacks out here. Cherie Western North Carolina Lilja, Roka (Icelandics)and Tyra (Fjord)
Re: [IceHorses] sucky mud
--- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: makes me wonder if it is primitive trail sense.. Tivar (what does his name mean, anyway?) sounds like the kind of horse you can trust your life to. Aren't you lucky!!! I think Andi will be that way. Yesterday, on our solo ride (we did 5 miles yesterday) I rode him up on a berm road that was raised above the desert floor. He was looking off on each side and really seemed to enjoy the different road. I think he thinks the jeep trails are boring - he always wants to go off-roading. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Disclaimer CAUTION: DO NOT DRIVE WITH HOT COFFEE IN YOUR LAP Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
RE: [IceHorses] Curiosity and the cat
Hi Janice karen these photos are prescious! the one rivals that in the LTJ book about TTOUCH where it shows the icey and the cat making friends! This is so adorable!! We sell them on our website www.icefarm.com - that is where Linda got them. Robyn Icelandic Horse Farm Robyn Hood Phil Pretty Vernon BC Canada www.icefarm.com
RE: [IceHorses] Hugs
I asked teev and he said its ok if you name her after him btw. Thanks, Janice, and tell Teev thanks too. :) do you have any ideas about her conformation and gait Karen? She's so wooly right now that I can't be sure with my eye without marking her up. Since she's been jumpy in the past, I don't really care to do anything so invasive as go poking around to find her joints just yet, although I think she'd be fine with it. All I've seen her do at liberty is trot - a nice clean trot, completely two-beat.I don't believe she'll have any pace in her, but MAYBE running walk or foxtrot. But, if trot is her gait, so be it. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM
Re: [IceHorses] PETA
the group also does not wish for humans to keep pet and have been known to pick up a load of animals from area pounds to adopt them out-like to foster homes and then run the exhaust into the box of the van and dump them. sick people Maggie
[IceHorses] Re: How Much Contact
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: pamela, you should video svanny giving you a lesson with blessi, like susan did with andi. that was very nice to be able to watch how different trainers do things. all we get to see are the pros on tv and almost none of us can afford that, so was nice to be able to see a local regional trainer work. abd we could steal tips from them like we do the ones on tv :) Janice Hello Janice, I will talk to Svanny about this. It is a good idea. Of coure, if we can do this, I bet that will be the day Blessi invents a new creative way to evade. One of his favorite ways is to pretend he has to pee several times during the boring part of the lesson. He assumes the position but nothing else happens. (And yes, I was concerned about this and had the vet check him out, blood work done, check for bean, etc., so it is not a physical problem.) He will happily stand there for 5 minutes, walk on, and then assume the position again. This never happens on the trail or during more advanced work--only at the walk. If you give only give him 2 minutes and then ask him to walk on, the behaviour extinguishes itself after one lesson due to lack of reinforcement. It is something he tries only during one lesson every couple of months to fool us. Regards, Pamela
Re: [IceHorses] Horse Fighting
Some history on Icelandic Horse fighting: http://iceryder.net/horsefighting.html These people were truly nasty. I don't understand that anyone could enjoy reading these sagas, they just glorify all that nastiness. Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] sucky mud
On Dec 2, 2007 11:19 AM, susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: makes me wonder if it is primitive trail sense.. Tivar (what does his name mean, anyway?) sounds like the kind of horse you can trust your life to. Aren't you lucky!!! I think Andi will be that way. Yesterday, on our solo ride (we did 5 miles yesterday) I rode him up on a berm road that was raised above the desert floor. He was looking off on each side and really seemed to enjoy the different road. I think he thinks the jeep trails are boring - he always wants to go off-roading. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ my friend ruth is always talking about primitive trail sense and I think that is what you are describing! One sign is smelling the trail when unsure or to make a decision. they can smell how deep mud is! i am convinced of that from jaspar's decisions thru the years.Tivar means mountain spirit but when i googled it i got some info about Tolkien basing his Lord of the RIngs middle earth beings on The Tivar which also tranlates to glorious beings, plural, something in their mythology, beautiful spirits that live in the center of the earth. Having said that I feel quite certain several icelandic people will swarm out of lurkdom to tell me it means bucking a-hole haha. i love that thing judy posted about leslie desmond saying how it never fails that a horse on the trail arriving at the peak of a hill will stop and gaze out across his surroundings like he is sinking it all in. thats the way Tivar was at the sinkhole overlook. i know its very stupid to base generalizations on the actions of two horses, but teev and nasi are my only horses that seem quite oblivious of extreme heights. nasi acts like he would happily jump over the guardrail of a bridge i take him too all the time whereas Jaspar acts leery of looking over the railing as we cross. my friend ruth also says trail rides are as much for the horse's pleasure as it is for us. we rode with a group of people one time which included a woman who was the worst whiner i have ever seen. if we went above a dogwalk she would yell for us to slow down that her horse, was 'beating her to death but if we went at a dog walk she would whine that her horse was jigging and beating her to death. i would want to scream get a new horse and be so aggravated, but one day she yelled slow DOWN my horse is beating me to death and Ruth yelled back over her shoulder nope. this ride's as much for my horse as it is for me. and we just kept on. I have not ridden with that woman since and now ruth has moved away. i sure miss her. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
On Dec 2, 2007 10:29 AM, Raven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We want to breed an Icelandic Mulecross it with a gaited Jack, mabye lomesome. What ever happen to those two Ice Mules that were bred in CA...a few years ago? Does any one know? I thnk a Ice Mule would be so darn cute!! Those long ears with all that mane. ;] I love mules. Raven mules usually have puny manes and tail, they get that from the donkey :) I saw a guy on rfdtv talking about mules and he said there are certain things you can just about 100% count on when breeding mules, the long ears, cow hocks and scrimpy mane and tail. I have never seen a mule with a ton of mane and tail. come to think of it i have never seen a foundation app with a lot of mane and tail either,,, but then i have never seen a pony mule, janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] not in the mood for mud
I got Dagur out and saddled him. He is so muddy and you can really see it since he is almost white. If I bathe him he will eventually roll(in the mud). Just not in the mood today. The ground is soft and gross. He won't stand still. I will try again tomorrow. Oh well. Lorraine Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] his dun=ness
Nor only is he a wonderful color, he's lying on dry ground. It's pouring rain and very sloppy muddy in Southern Oregon today. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] not in the mood for mud
Maybe you can practice having him stand still at the mounting block. Click and treat him for standing still (with no intention on your part of actually getting on or riding). Ya. I might as well to something. I feel blah. Lorraine Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/sports;_ylt=At9_qDKvtAbMuh1G1SQtBI7ntAcJ
Re: [IceHorses] Young Horse Height
about 13 hands. Was hoping that she'd stay shorter! She is already taller than Scooter. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] not in the mood for mud
He won't stand still. Maybe you can practice having him stand still at the mounting block. Click and treat him for standing still (with no intention on your part of actually getting on or riding). Judy
[IceHorses] Young Horse Height
Charm is three and a half years old now, and I just measured her. She's at about 13 hands. Was hoping that she'd stay shorter! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses]mud/clicker? Judy?
I'll bet Judy can tell you (and me) how that is suppposed to work. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Young Horse Height
Yrsa (5-13-04) is right at 13 hands. I would have liked a couple more inches. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Young Horse Height
Charm is three and a half years old now, and I just measured her. She's at about 13 hands. Was hoping that she'd stay shorter! Ima, born the same day as Charm and Nasi, is at least 13.2, probably closer to 13.3. I'm not sure where that came from... Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM
RE: [IceHorses] My new mule
come to think of it i have never seen a foundation app with a lot of mane and tail either,,, Joe has a so-so mane, but not a wispy mane by any means, but his tail is quite lush and long. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM
Re: [IceHorses] not in the mood for mud
Click and treat him for standing still (with no intention on your part of actually getting on or riding). You know what Dagur does. He is just always bugging me for a treat. I haven't been hand feeding him because of that. He is bugging me. Like nipping at me. I smack him a alittle. He needs to earn that treat. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
Bia...she's beautiful. Is she gaited? Love her ears! Raven Raven, not gaited but very smooth non the less. (I wish she was gaited... still looking ofr one I can afford)
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
Subject: Re: [IceHorses] My new mule Whar a gorgeous mule. What was the breeding of her horse half? Nancy Nancy, no idea...
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
She is BEAUTIFUL I am so fascinated by mules. Is this your first? Mary Mary...no, I had one show mule and one very very old boy in California who couldn't have made the trip east. The show mule was bought by a nice man who really liked him and felt bad about selling him but I only had enough money to bring my one foxtrotter (my favorite girl and she's been with me a long time) east with me. Bia
Re: [IceHorses] Anneliese / Annie Shields / Ann
Judy, I have 5 Icelandics, two are foals. I got Gloa a couple of years ago, almost exactly 10 years after the last of my old Icelandics died. Gloa is my primary riding horse. Then I got a really nice but unregistered pinto mare from Dawn Shaw named Netta. Last Spring I got a mare named Grima who was pregnant by Lanny Carroll's Kolskeggur. Gloa and Grima had two nice fillies named Kyppa and Lafa. All of these horses except Netta are chestnuts with flaxen manes and tails. I have a palomino QH gelding named Chigger who went of to work at a children's riding camp this past summer. He was paid in hay bales in lieu of money, which turned out to be a very good thing due to our drought and hay shortage. Come to think of it, we could change Chigger's name to Chiggur. Then he would fit in better with the Icelandics. I will send photos separately. Annie
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
oh wow bia, what was the breed horse in her dna?? she is gorgeous! janice-- Janice, no idea but she is very big boned without being draft as far as anyone here thinks. The mule farm really wasn't sure either. I rode her today and it was an experience. She has only been here since thursday night and she was very timid. I didn't have a bridle or bit that fit her (I do have a girth...yay!), so I used a halter and lead rope and my fiance first led me around the round pen. That went fine and so I made a rein out of the lead rope and he walked beside us down the drive, which is about 1/4 mile long so I thought it would be a nice short try. Well, she was very nervous and wanted to go back with Rod's Appy. She was so uptight that I told Rod to take the lead and stay close to her side while we walked. At the end of the drive I said, lets turn back because I could feel her tensing and Rod's Appy was going ape sh-t running around chaseing us... Rod siad don't worry honey, I've got her...LOL! famous last words I thought because he has no idea how string mules are! As soon as we turned she lurched and pulled the lead apart and started galloping back to the barn, me on her no reins, hands free...15.3 hands up in the air. She then ran into the round pen and proceeded to try to crash through the fence to get to the appy. I stayed on and when she started to push through the fence I jumped off, kind of shaken because while I have good balance, I'm a kind of a timid rider. I didn't freak or anything but I don't like that kind of thrill! LOL! I'm a bit disappointed but we are going to work on it and see how it goes. I think she is so in love with the appy because as soon as they met they bonded and since she is still unsure of her surroundings, she's nervous. On the ground she is very very calm. So maybe it will pass...or maybe not (sigh...) we'll see! Bia
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
Big oops. But it sounds like you did an awesome bit of riding, Bia. Way to go cowgirl. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Young Horse Height
nasi is around 13.1-13.2 on tape so maybe i am off but he is a hand taller on tape than he was the last two years. he may be just 13! i know he is taller than 12.2 but its hard flr me to be.lieve hes almost as tall as tivar! janice
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
Can you go for a ride or walk with the appy??? or do you always ride alone? We have a wonderful pony mule, she has a nice mane and tail... not like my Morgan's mane, but not like an Appy's either, it is very thick, about half way down her neck, her trouble is she has a FAT belly... she is adorable, trained to Ride, pack and pull, we have only used her to ride, however, I am tempted to get a cart for her, I think she would LOVE IT.. -- I and my horses love our track system, take a look~~~ http://picasaweb.google.com/dakota.charm/TrackForHorses
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
In a message dated 12/2/2007 3:40:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Bia, be careful, that happened to me and My head hit the gate arch and twice two areas while my horse was running away with me. I broke my pelvic and all my ribs on the right side. Plus put a rib through my lung. They life flighted me in the helo and I was terrified. Fortunately they knocked me out or I passed out during the ride. Tall horses hit tall things and my horse was tall and I didn't lean over quick enough to avoid hitting my head. That is why I have an Icelandic and I can get off quickly. It took me years to ride again. Sylvia **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
RE: [IceHorses] OT Fun - I'm a Great Dane now opossum question
Cherie...do you know anything about opossums? I raised a male years ago and had non issues, but this young female is becoming aggressive and I am wondering if she might be reaching sexual maturity? Any thoughts? Mary, LVT Mary, I've raised five opossums. Three males and two females. The males are definitely slower and mellower. The female I had in WA. for school programs was more hyper and harder to hold but never aggressive. We had a female at Turtle Bay in CA that was there when I took over and was three years old was very easily handled as long as you woke her up slowly. Another female we raised later was a bit more sensitive about being handled because she had been run over by a car, had her jaw wired together and needed daily medicine for a several weeks. If one of our volunteers picked her up when she was still half asleep or if they didn't support her feet she'd grab with her feet and sometimes her mouth to get support! A little disconcerting, so we clicker trained her to climb into a basket that we'd place in her enclosure when we wanted her to be in one of our school programs. It worked well. We'd pet her until she woke up, present the basket and when she climbed in, she got clicked and received her favorite reward-banana! As far as the sexual maturity part goes..they have such short lifespans in the wild, I think they can breed at 6-8 months, but they are spontaneous ovulators, so don't ovulate until they meet a man! So I wouldn't think she'd get cranky for that reason. How old is she? My friend Karen, who has rehabbed many opossums, said that if you get them too far past the time where they've just come out of the pouch they can be pretty aggressive. Cherie
Re: [IceHorses] Young Horse Height
On 02/12/2007, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: nasi is around 13.1-13.2 on tape so maybe i am off but he is a hand taller on tape than he was the last two years. he may be just 13! i know he is taller than 12.2 but its hard flr me to be.lieve hes almost as tall as tivar! janice He looks like a sturdy guy Janice. I would believe it. I could never get an accurate read on my horses with a tape...so I ordered one of those aluminum measuring sticks with a level. Great...so now I've measured everyone...and will probably never use it again. It will probably go in the garage sale next spring. However, with the way Solon has been growing lately, I might measure him once more before I put it in the garage sale. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Young Horse Height
nasi is around 13.1-13.2 on tape so maybe i am off but he is a hand taller on tape than he was the last two years. he may be just 13! i know he is taller than 12.2 but its hard flr me to be.lieve hes almost as tall as tivar! janice I found out that Scooter is 12.2 and Dagur is 13.0. They were both advertised at 13.2 I really don't care. It is just nice to know. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] not in the mood for mud
On Dec 2, 2007 4:08 PM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He is bugging me. Like nipping at me. I smack him a alittle. He needs to earn that treat. Lorraine i give mine a rude elbow or just rather hold my elbow out so THEY run into it when getting grabby. tivar is getting better. i put the treats in my bra and he smells them there and then he knows if he is good there is a treat nearby. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] not in the mood for mud
i give mine a rude elbow or just rather hold my elbow out so THEY run into it when getting grabby. tivar is getting better. i put the treats in my bra and he smells them there and then he knows if he is good there is a treat nearby. janice That is scarry. I got bit in the boob once. It hurt Lorraine Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/
[IceHorses] Honza
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Re: [IceHorses] Can You Turn Your Horse Without the Reins
One way to tell if a horse is light and soft is to ask him to turn, without using the reins. Can you turn your horse without the reins? Sometimes dressage people think their horses are light, but the horse is only responding to the reins and not the rider's body. The contact leaves the horse's neck compressed which, in turn, makes them heavy on the fore. It's all relative, and the riders don't even know that their horses are heavy because everyone around them looks the same way! A quote from my dressage friend, Elaine: We all see 'correct' in some context of what we are used to.~~Elaine Elmer Check out these horses: http://youtube.com/watch?v=xcXcbXA9oVk http://youtube.com/watch?v=mgcqbWqZL_Q Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Shims and Inserts
Interesting: http://www.quacky.co.uk/%7Eelsie/saddle-pads/saddle-pads.htm Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] House with Snow
Does anyone have a picture of a house (either yours or a friend's) with snow on it? Thanks! Judy
Re: [IceHorses] OT Fun - I'm a Golden Retriever
UmmmI'm a Great Dane. Sue
Re: [IceHorses] House in the snow
That would make a nice card
Re: [IceHorses] OT Fun - I'm a Great Dane
I think we're ok being Great Danes! My mom's friend raised Great Danes and I really liked them. They were big, gentle and protective. I wanted one, but my hubby didn't because they don't live very long. The breed standard says, The Great Dane must be spirited, courageous, always friendly and dependable, and never timid or aggressive Intelligence, loyalty and dependability are true breed characteristics. Cherie That's you Cherie! I'm a Great Dane too. Sue
Re: [IceHorses] House in snow, and old barn
In a message dated 12/2/2007 5:43:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) You live in a post card!!! Sylvia **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301)
[IceHorses] white hairs on back
Since everyone seems to be conscious of white hairs appearing on their horses' backs, here's one more report. Angie has some white hairs on her back...and she's never worn a saddle. She also has a lot of roan-like coloring on her face, including that odd white star low on her nose. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM
RE: [IceHorses] House in snow, and old barn
You live in a post card!!! Sylvia Thanks - but we really don't get snow too often. About once-twice a year, we'll get a dusting, with a real snow every 2-3 years. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back
I was concerned that Hunter had a few white hairs on his back - sort of silly, actually, because he has a few white hairs interwoven with the black in places where a saddle never would have touched. Anyway the saddle fitter laughed at me. He said Those sure didn't come from THIS saddle. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] white hairs on back
I was concerned that Hunter had a few white hairs on his back - sort of silly, actually, because he has a few white hairs interwoven with the black in places where a saddle never would have touched. I know they CAN indicate a problem, and maybe even they PROBABLY do, but I have two horses with white hairs that have either never had a saddle (Tifa and Angie) and several where the hairs aren't under where any saddle ever sat. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM
Re: [IceHorses] white hairs on back
When you see a horse who has white hairs from tack or harness, it isn't particularly subtle. Dusty, a grade driving pony, came to us with white hair (lots of it) where a crupper would have rested and also where the saddle part of the harness would sit. Twist, the OT Standardbred has white hairs on his legs where the track hobbles probably rested. And a friend's endurance horse has nasty white patches on either side of his spine, just behind the withers. I know we all make mistakes and I surely have made my share, but I really would feel awful if I were using tack that fitted so poorly that my horse ended up with permanent white patches - proof forever of my error. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] white hairs on back
Twist, the OT Standardbred has white hairs on his legs where the track hobbles probably rested. I've seen white dots on TB cannons where they have been pinfired. Holly has a big white mark on one of her shoulders from an old bite mark. Thunder has white marks under where his saddle was - but they didn't appear until late in his life, when he hadn't been regularly ridden for several years. Also, his face now has a lot of white, as does most of his body, so I can't swear the white under the saddle area is from a bad saddle - he's 28. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM
[IceHorses] Side saddle
Does anyone know about side saddles? Stephanie, who has cerebral palsy, has adductors that are so tight that she has had to have one hip surgically re-structured. She is so tight that there is no way she can put one leg on each side of a horse the way we would expect a typical rider to. Sometimes at the therapeutic riding program where she used to ride, they would put kids on a horse so that they were seated with both legs on one side. Do you suppose a side saddle would be safe for a disabled rider? Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Side saddle
Sometimes at the therapeutic riding program where she used to ride, they would put kids on a horse so that they were seated with both legs on one side. Do you suppose a side saddle would be safe for a disabled rider? I rode in one once on my old QH, and it was a hoot. They are actually very secure, with the horns that your legs fit around. I wonder if you can find one wide enough for an Icelandic though. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.16.12/1163 - Release Date: 12/1/2007 12:05 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Side saddle
I'm thinking the fit would be even more challenging than with a more traditional saddle. But it might work for her. Nancy
[IceHorses] jumping with the clicker
Now that there is hardly any grass to preoccupy them Brenna and Kolur are wanting more clicker stuff. I wanted to come up with something new so I decided to click them for jumping; thought they might find that fun. But I wasn't sure how to drive them over that low jump the first few times. So I first jumped over myself and clicked while they watched. Kolur picked it up pretty quickly when I used my hand as a target and we jumped it together. But the second time I tripped and fell flat on my face just as I clicked! Kolur gave me this look as if I must be crazy to ask him to fall on his face after he jumps! I agreed! Won't be doing that again... Sue
Re: [IceHorses] Honza
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Re: [IceHorses] snow, house, ponies
We don't get much snow in Southern Oregon, so when it does snow, the cameras come out. Wow. Gorgous. Lorraine Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
Can you go for a ride or walk with the appy??? or do you always ride alone? I like to ride alone sometimes so that's kind of important but next trip will be with the appy!
[IceHorses] [IceHorses: Appy mane and tail
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: come to think of it i have never seen a foundation app with a lot of mane and tail either,,, Joe has a so-so mane, but not a wispy mane by any means, but his tail is quite lush and long. Karen Well from all the research I have done on Native Americans and the Nez Perz and Appys, they specifically breed the Appys to have sparse mane and tail...horse with this characteristic are harder to track...they do not leave as much hairThey also liked the Appy eyes as they looked more human like...somethinbg that the settlers did not enjoy. I have had old elders tell me that when I lived in Oregon and Washington state...they also told me that a lot of them had an Indian Shuffle. I can not even remember the Native word for it.. Skye Fire Island Eco-Treks-808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Young Horse Height
On Dec 2, 2007 6:00 PM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found out that Scooter is 12.2 and Dagur is 13.0. They were both advertised at 13.2 I really don't care. It is just nice to know. lord only knows how tall mine are really. i have a stick but i dont know how to read it and then someone said how but now i cant find it. i just know nasi is bigger :) did anybody weigh yours? nasi is 769. janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] not in the mood for mud
On Dec 2, 2007 6:31 PM, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is scarry. I got bit in the boob once. It hurt Lorraine i kinda expected him to do that since he is such a treat hog but so far he hasnt. he did a weird thing the other day on our ride. he stopped and wouldnt go. I thought he had to pee but he didnt so I kicked him to go but he didnt and i waited, no pee, so I kicked him again and he reached and made biting motions at my feet, first one side and then the other haha. then he waited a little longer and peed a lake. but he was biting at my feet saying knock it off :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] My new mule
i bet thoroughbred. just looks like it to me. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] snow, house, ponies
We don't get much snow in Southern Oregon, so when it does snow, the cameras come out. Got any pictures of your Icelandics running? (doesn't have to be in snow, just clear pictures from the side). Thanks! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Re:Shims and Inserts
Maybe I missed part of this thread, but just thought I would weigh in on this subject as I have been a Skito dealer for over 10 years designing custom pads for both treed treeless saddles. What this UK site calls a full length shim is actually what Skito calls a laminated insert. This type of padding is best used for treeless saddles like the Barefoot /Bob Marshall/ Trekker/Hilason or Torsion which DO NOT have panels to create more lift off the horse's spine for heavier riders /create more of a twist feel for the rider in saddles that have little or no twist. Is is not a good idea to use the laminated inserts on any saddle treed or treeless with panels because of the pressure line that would be created both at the spine edge mid-panel where the top layer of laminated foam ends create lateral instability. There are a number of both standard custom shims that can be ordered by all Skito dealers according to need after seeing pix/detailed phone consults. In treed saddles one needs to be very careful how why shims are used as an ill-fitting tree can not be remedied by adding shims or a therapeautic pad. Very often this only temporarily shifts pressure points, but does not help the real issue. In treeless one also needs to be mindful as to why shims are being used if that particular treeless is in fact the best match for your situation. Just adding more padding even in treeless does not always make things better, in fact it can make things worse by causing pressure lines at the spine/creating a lateral instability. In treeless saddles, the padding systems can be thought of as an integral part of the saddle. It creates the spine channel width depth for the horses comfort. Choosing the most appropriate padding system for your situation can be challenging, but not impossible. A good saddle fit consultant that is familiar with both treed/treeless technology can help avoid a lot of trial error costly mistakes. The pix on the UK site do reflect the trend that in recent years most companies have re-engineered the pad designs with a more horse friendly anatomical topline contour so pad pull down mane rubs are a thing of the past. In fact Skito now has over 150 different pad patterns to match each individual model in all the different brands of all the brands of treeless on the market.. Sensation alone has 6 or 8 different Skito patterns for all the different Sensation modelsvery interesting indeed. Kaaren Jordan http://kaarenjordan.com
