RE: [IceHorses] saddle rack
Aren't these rather nice? http://www.saddleracks.ca/ Wanda I like those Wanda! They seem light-weight and I like the fact that air can get to the underside. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
Re: [IceHorses] saddle rack
On 30/03/2008, Cherie Mascis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like those Wanda! They seem light-weight and I like the fact that air can get to the underside. Exactly my thoughts. I'm thinking of ordering one just to test it. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] How much to lease a horse
Not allowed in the lease. All of the leasers are people who take lessons from her. And also participate on her trail riding lesson program to some degree. So, she charges the people for the lease, then for lessons, then charges them for board and all expenses but maintains the ownership of her lesson horses? Didn't you say that some (all) of them stay boarded with her? Are these pushbutton show horses? I don't think there's a market here for leasing trail horses with those terms - maybe at a couple of hunter show barns, where hunter ponies can go for big bucks. I'd see no reason to sign up for that kind of deal - I think most people would just pay for the lessons and use the lesson horses. Whatever the lease is, the owner of the horse can stipulate anything that he/she wants, including handling, training, pasture vs stalls...shoes vs barefoot Sure, you can STIPULATE anything. Susan stipulated a vet check...but it didn't happen. Leasing is touchy at best, and while the humans can get financially, phsically or emotionally hurt in the deal, it's the horse who is even more likely to get caught up in the mess. Sure, it CAN work, but I wouldn't gloss over the possible complications. It turns out that Susan isn't literally going to lease a horse, but it's probably good for the list to hear about ALL the potential pitfalls. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Happy Ending!
I got a call last night from the woman who got Foxi. She has a long conversation with her vet about the Grade 1 lameness. Vet told her horses do 50 and 100 mile Endurance rides with a Grade 1 lameness, and not to worry about it. She saw it, so she had to mention it, and if it were her horse, she would NOT x-ray her. She told the woman that she thought Foxi was the perfect horse for her, so quit worrying and enjoy her. So that is exactly what she is going to do. She told me she got freaked when she heard the lameness thing because of her history. She has a perfect horse (which will be part of Foxi's new herd when she turns them in together) who has narcolepsy or something - the horse just falls on its face and is not safe to ride. Then she had a foxtrotter who looked perfect, but had a paralyzed tail, and eventually paralyzed rear and had to be put down. So this woman did not want to get too emotionally attached to Foxi until she got the OK from her vet, who had been thru her ordeals with the other horses. I told her I had been a bit worried and overprotective of Foxi, and was ready to come get her and bring her home. So all is well, and I once again feel this is a perfect home for Foxi where she will be appreciated. She is also getting tons of attention form the grandchildren when they come over, and Foxi seems to love that! Since I don't have kids, I've never seen Foxi around kids. Foxi also seems to have gotten quite attached to a couple of goats there. Whew - but I still don't want to sell any more horses - it is WY to tough emotionally!!! Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ OMG, Sweet deal for Yahoo! users/friends:Get A Month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. W00t http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text2.com
Re: [IceHorses] Happy Ending!
So all is well, and I once again feel this is a perfect home for Foxi where she will be appreciated. I'm glad it all worked out for you, Susan. I know you worried about the decision to do this orinally. -- Laree in NC Doppa Mura Simon, Sadie and Sam (the S gang) Yet when all the books have been read and reread, it boils down to the horse, his human companion, and what goes on between them. - William Farley
Re: [IceHorses] Happy Ending!
Oh Susan, that is such good news! Congratulations to you and Foxi both. I was afraid it was going to be another Twist story. The very nice and very ethical young woman who was selling Twist let us take him home, three hours away, for 30 days and then vet check him at the end of that time. We were thrilled and he's such a nice horse, but during that 30 days, we thought he seemed a little off and we pointed it out to the equine vet doing the pre-purchase. He said the horse was fine and Abby should just begin his endurance training. Over the next several months, Abby had the same vet out two more times looking for what she felt was something wrong. He got pretty impatient with us and told her just to go out and ride your horse. He also made a pretty nasty remark to Amber Applegate about people who buy off-track pacing horses then think they move funny. So - Abby took Twist to his first LD and he got pulled at 12 miles for lameness. She took him to the endurance vert who pulled him and the ultrasound showed an old suspensory injury. She did the whole stall rest, hand walking, return to work thing and when he had a clean ultrasound and X-rays (just to be sure) I bought him so she could go searching for a different horse. We love Twist and will keep him here in a different role, but I sure did lose confidence in the vet. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] HELP breeders!
On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:01 AM, Janice McDonald wrote: My friend Sylvia called at 4 this morning She went out and found her mare Bob has delivered a gorgeous healthy baby appaloosa/arab mule but Bob won't let him nurse! Hello Janice: I am soo far behind with the list mail because we are in the process of moving into our new house - what an incredible mess! So this is probably way too late to help you and Silvia. But I have been there and done that. The first thing I need to say is that you must do everything you can to have your mare trust you completely before the birth of the foal. Then, you must handle the mare's udder before the birth of the foal. I do that by washing the udder gently and often. You want to get the crud out between the teats anyway. Then, if you are trying to get a mare to accept her own foal, which she is trying to reject because she sees it as a foreign being or because her udder is ticklish, or even to accept a foal that is not her own you may need at least two people to help. If it is her own foal you need to cross-tie her and have someone to guide the foal to her udder. With my horses, I can safely stand tightly behind the mare while the foal is being guided to the mare's udder. Since cannot kick me (and believe me, if she is bonded with you she simply cannot), she also cannot kick the foal since she cannot kick the foal without also kicking me. She may not like the idea of the foal nursing but once she does, she will feel the relief of pressure in her udder and may accept the foal from then on. You also need give ample praise. If the foal is not her own, you may have to repeat this process for a few times. After that, simply holding her halter with be enough for her to allow the foal to nurse. (At this point she will allow the foal to nurse to please you.) After that the authority of your presence will cause her to stand still for the foal to nurse and also give the foal the courage to approach her. In my case, all I had to do after a couple of weeks was to turn on the outside light of the house. And soon after that she will accept the foal completely. If there is a danger that the mare will kick the foal while you are not around. You can put the two of them in a stall together but build a barrier where the foal can get away and the cannot kick him or her. There are mares who will totally reject any foal. It has something to do with hormone imbalance. In that case you have to bottle feed after you have milked her colostrum and administered that to the foal. Goat milk is an excellent mare's milk substitute. Sorry, I don't have time to into all the details but if anyone has a specific question about that sort of thing you can e-mail me off-list. I am caught up on my private mail. All the best and good luck, Anneliese
RE: [IceHorses] Happy Ending!
Susan~ That is excellent news. I think we all tend to be a bit overprotective of our mounts...especially when we sell them or find them new homes. As compassionate people (which MOST horse people are), we can't help it. Thank you for sharing. LOVE to hear the happy endings. Mary
Re: [IceHorses] How much to lease a horse
In a message dated 3/30/2008 6:21:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) I feed leased my Peruvian Paso and with the option to purchase. The woman signed an agreement and then gave him shots and killed him. The West Nile virus shot was with a combo of other shots. Three days later I was having him buried. The woman never offered to pay a dime or replace him, I had to pick my battle and not sue her for the money. It was too complicated. When place where she kept him had an old mare that was getting her shots so the owner of the old horse gave him his shots too. Without permission from anyone. Now he lived next door to the woman's home in a pasture as a companion horse. People do these things thinking they are doing another person a favor and it backfires. He was a young horse about six years old and beautiful but on the nervous side like they can be, I had blood/spinal fluid pulled when he was put down and he died of spinal meningitis which is a side affect of the shots. Fort Dodge shots. I contacted Fort Dodge and not a return call from anyone. The vet was in hiding because she had treated a horse that someone else owned. The lady that leased him acted like she never signed a thing. It was very hard on me, that is when I bought my little Icelandic baby that is now my gelding I ride. He has been a joy for me where the other horse was my dream horse in looks, but had horns. I will never feed lease a horse to sell again. Cash before he leaves the property. That is how I just sold my QH gelding. Then I hauled him there so he would not get hurt putting him in the stall he was to be in. Sylvia **Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15ncid=aolhom000301)
[IceHorses] Beet Pulp cookies
The horse cookies I made yesterday during our wind storm got a hooves up from the peanut gallery! If anyone is stuck inside, it's a great horsie activity - better than cleaning house anyway, although I did get my kitchen all shiney while the cookies were in the oven! Anyway, here is my recipie: 1 cup soaked beet pulp (1/2 hot water, 1/2 apple juice) 1 cup finely chopped carrots (I used my husband's chopper for this!) 2 cups flour (I used whole grain - it was what I had) 1/4 cup molasses 1/4 cup maple syrup (I had sugar free-hubby is diabetic) 1/4 cup oil (I had Smart Balance!) 1/2 cup brown sugar (I had the splenda version!) tablespoon salt Mix all together, it should be very thick. If it is too loose, add more flour. Drop by forkfuls onto cookie sheet (we have an airflow cookie sheet - helps prevent burning). Flatten out and cook at 350* for 15 minutes, flip cookies and cook another 15 minutes. I wanted than crunchy, so that is why I cooked then for 30 minutes total. Be careful, depending on your oven and type of cookie sheet, I think the molasses can make then burn. Then give to grateful cookie hounds!! Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping
Re: [IceHorses] How much to lease a horse
. Three days later I was having him buried. Good grief Sylvia, what an awful thing to have happen. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 15:46:56 -0400, you wrote: Ideas? Set up an alley using poles and put a bucket of food at one end of it (or partway, until she gets the idea). Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk --- Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes
Re: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
Set up an alley using poles and put a bucket of food at one end of it (or partway, until she gets the idea). Mic BRILLIANT! I cannot believe I did not think of using food . . . : ) Thanks Mic -- Renee M. in Michigan
RE: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
I need some tips on how to get a horse going forward in the long lines WITHOUT a helper leading. Renee, I taught Tyra (Fjord) to drive by myself with clicking. I did a lot of work first on having her stand still while I moved behind her. If your horse already ground ties or is mat trained, it will be a big help. When I was ready to move forward, Tyra already knew the commands walk and trot, so I just asked her to walk and it she stepped forward even one step, I clicked and went to her to reward, so she wouldn't turn around for it. She did go through all the contortions you mentioned at first. If she started to turn around and I couldn't use the lines to prevent her, I just walked up to her and repositioned her. No reward. Once she went forward a few feet, it was easy after that. She really enjoys exploring our property while I drive her. She graduated to pulling a tire, then a travois (shafts with a piece of wood across them to attach traces too), this summer she will start lessons with the cart. Cherie Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.21.8 - Release Date: 3/20/2008 12:00 AM
Re: [IceHorses] Re: How much to lease a horse
i think a horse can die almost anytime from almost anything, practically nothing, a tummy ache, a reaction to a shot, a mystery illness. Thats why I asked about what if the horse dies. So much can go wrong. Thats why I would not have a horse on my place that did not belong to me, I would worry any time it looked the least depressed that it was gonna die and it would be my fault. My old stallion, came to me because the old man who owned him could not care for him any more. He was with me about a year and died of old age, no thrashing, just laid down and went to heaven and I felt like it was one of the hardest things i ever did, was call that old man and tell him Gallant Boy had died. He was very nice, he cried, I cried, he said well, I know he couldnt have lived out his last year any better than he did with you... so I felt ok. But if I had gone thru all that and someone had questioned it, oh my gosh, what a nightmare! for everybody! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] How much to lease a horse
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, she charges the people for the lease, then for lessons, then charges them for board and all expenses but maintains the ownership of her lesson horses? She leasses them a fully trained trail horse...which some of them use for the small shows here. They have to be in her lesson program alreadythey need to take lessons with her on the horse that she leases, that helps the horse and the rider, both benefit. She does not charge them board...they are either out on her pasture at no charge whatsoever, or if approved they can be taken to the leasees home. A lot of these horses are leased to children. And really leaseing a horse for a child with a good dedicated traniner makes a lot of sense to parents. The parents have help, there is a lesson program, and the child can do trail rides and be involved in the small shows here. All with the help of the trainer, who BTW Karen, gives many many hours of work at no charge to the horses and riders. Once the child or adult in some cases needs a more challenging horse, they can get another one without the hassel of selling or buying. Didn't you say that some (all) of them stay boarded with her? Are these pushbutton show horses? I don't think there's a market here for leasing trail horses with those terms - I was never saying there was a market in NC for this exact type of lease. Only that if someone wants to leased their horse they are in controll of the terms to protect their horse. Leasing with a good nortorized contract can do that. Is it perfect, nothing usually is. Karen, I was not trying to get anyone to sign up foir a deal. However the message is this really. If someone is leasing a horse, the owner can stipulate the terms, period. If something happens in the lease you can pull your horse away from someone who is mistreating it. I thought you of all people would see the beauty in protecting the horse. Whatever the lease is, the owner of the horse can stipulate anything that he/she wants, including handling, training, pasture vs stalls...shoes vs barefoot Sure, you can STIPULATE anything. Susan stipulated a vet check...but it didn't happen. At that point she had evry right to take the horse home. She also had every right to have the vet check at her place before taking over to someone else. She had rights and did not utilize them. It is important to know that if you lease your horse, get every little detail down, have it signed and nortorizedand follow through on youre rights as the horse owner, that is important. Skye tropicaltreks.com 808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Was lease a horse/Now Shots-Vaccines
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I feed leased my Peruvian Paso and with the option to purchase. The woman signed an agreement and then gave him shots and killed him. The West Nile virus shot was with a combo of other shots. He was a young horse about six years old and beautiful but on the nervous side like they can be, I had blood/spinal fluid pulled when he was put down and he died of spinal meningitis which is a side affect of the shots. Fort Dodge shots. I contacted Fort Dodge and not a return call from anyone. This brings up another subject.Vaccines. we do not give a lot of vaccines, certainley not yearly like these MFGs want you to do. I have been blasted by a couple of members about this before.everyone has to make up their own mindbut I hear of so many horses, dogs (I have personally had 3 puppies die from vaccines)and yes people have reactions, some very mild , all the way to death. Its a hard one. We do give vaccines, but never every year or close to itwe do give tetnus, thats a big one in our area. Of course we are not at a big barn, we are wy out and not around a lot of other horses...it is always a personal decision, and one that I can understand whichever way the decision is made. I just try not to judge someone for giving them or not. Skye tropicaltreks.com 808-443-6085 Fire Island Professional Farrier Service-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need some tips on how to get a horse going forward in the long lines WITHOUT a helper leading. Hey Renee, Did you want to teach this horse to drive a cart? We also do training for harness, so the horse can pull a cart. I glad you have spring there we have mud here, not looking for the spring where the spring rain comes. Anne - Like movies? Here's a limited-time offer: Blockbuster Total Access for one month at no cost.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Progress?
--- Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me, a good horseman who has good horsemanship skills, has an innate desire to get inside each horse's head they work with, and displays empathy, kindness, and respect for the horse in all they do. Wow, Renee, this actually says it all!!! Plus, be able to use your knowledge to know when to try another method or tactic. Probably the only TRUE HORSEMAN I have ever met so far (in person) has been Liz Graves. She gets inside the horse's head, and it is thanks to her that I try to get inside my horse's head. When she met Whisper last year, she told me Whisper would make me a better horseperson because of her personality. For a while, I thought Whisper was actually going to break me, but, with the clicker, we are once again riding as one! Liz is my hero, and I can only hope I can have as much knowledge and horsemanship as she has in her pinkie finger! Susan in NV http://desertduty.blogspot.com/ Riding for Breast Cancer Awareness Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ No Cost - Get a month of Blockbuster Total Access now. Sweet deal for Yahoo! users and friends. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text1.com
Re: [IceHorses] Stuck in ground driving
- Original Message - From: Anne Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hey Renee, Did you want to teach this horse to drive a cart? No, not looking to drive. I'm just restarting a little pony mare named Mystic Gem (some of you will remember her) for the kids to ride -- in a few years. She will need to have a lot more life experiences and training before that happens. Synopsis of her story, according to her former owners: Mystic was run through a cattle auction in Utah as an unregistered, four-year old Icelandic. No one bid, so the auctioneer took her home and his kids rode her around the yard.Then, a gal named Jennifer in California bought her from him for her four-year-old daughter. Her daughter named her Miss Stick.(This has since morphed into Mystic Gem.) Jennifer joined the icehorses list and posted pictures of her new mare. . . whom many of us suspected wasn't four years old and probably wasn't a purebred Icelandic either. Jennifer hadn't had the filly vet checked or anything prior to purchase, and was relatively new to horses, so had no idea. Well, soon after getting Mystic, Jennifer's life situation changed and she needed to sell the filly quick. I pleaded with someone on the list to buy her (in California), but got no takers. Jennifer told me she had some folks who ran a pony rings coming to look at her and I kind of panicked about that. . . . So, I bought her. I really thought she might even be a weanling or yearling and I felt so sorry for the little thing getting shipped around from bad to worse and BEING RIDDEN ALREADY. . . . I sent Judy the money for her and she went up to Jennifer's place and picked Mystic up for me. Then, Mystic made her way to North Carolina and stayed at Karen Thomas's place for some R R, finally making her way up to Michigan.All the vets she encountered along the way thought she was, indeed, much younger than four -- probably closer to a year or two. This year, my vet looked at her teeth and said she is no older than five, maybe even four yet.So, yes, she was being ridden (by kids) as a yearling or two year old. That's her story. She's about 11 hands tall, slender built, and liver chestnut with a star. Her mane is quite full and bushy, but her tail isn't. I've never seen her do any soft or lateral gait that I can detect. I think she *might be* Shetland / Icelandic cross, or just a Heinz 57 pony. : ) She's pretty cute regardless. Since I have no idea what was done when in her training, I'm just assuming she knows nothing and restarting her this year. Of course, I'm so darned rusty -- it's been YEARS since I worked with a young horse! : ) -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Natural Gaits and Icelandic-style Trainers
On 30/03/2008, Renee Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, I think we need to come up with a different term other than traditional riding when talking about what is currently done. I agree. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] How much to lease a horse
As a child, I wanted a horse very bad and the highlight of the week was to have my riding lesson. On my birthday, I would get to ride all day! Later, it became possible to sponsor a horse. We paid the board bill, it was like owning a horse but all the day to day maintenance, responsibility, and vet stuff was paid for by the owner. It was good for both the owner ( who had too many horses) and the rider. (who felt like she had her own horse) Ann
Re: [IceHorses] Damn Wind
On Mar 30, 2008, at 10:45 AM, Kathleen Douglas wrote: Hi Susan, Seems we are stuck inside for another day. It looks so nice thru the window, all sunny and spring, but the horses are all standing with their butts in the same direction and their tails whipping up around their noses. Arrrggg! I agree I'll ride in the snow, cold, etc but not in this wind. Kat Now WE have the wind! -- steady at about 15 mph and it feels like it is coming off a glacier (not really, but by So. Cal. standards a wind chill of 50 F is frigid). We're due to get some rain in a couple days too. But the good news is that the wild flowers are wonderful -- huge stands of purple lupines (the best in years) and ditto California poppies. Lynn Kinsky, Santa Ynez, CA http://www.silcom.com/~lkinsky/ http://www.dslextreme.com/~napha/HighPoint/
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Progress?
yes Susan, I think Liz has some animal communicator in her too. ANd animals seem to want to go to her, like they sense she is someone who can help when their person is missing the point entirely. And what I respect most about her, she can be so lovingly compassionately blunt and truthful. AT the first clinic I went to, there was a woman there so terrified of her own horse it was like she went into paralysis. At one point she even burst into tears she was so upset and afraid and Liz just went over and so lovingly comforted her and said many many loving comforting things, one of them being this is probably not the best horse for you, it was so green and she was so afraid. Ironically, after she had a breakdown in the clinic, that night the horse colicked. It was like the horse and her were just nervous wrecks from each other... you know, like they say, green plus green equals black and blue? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
RE: [IceHorses] Happy Ending!
Whew - but I still don't want to sell any more horses - it is WY to tough emotionally!!! It certainly is. See why I gelded Melnir? I'm glad it's looking so much better for Foxi today. Karen Thomas, NC [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1350 - Release Date: 3/30/2008 12:32 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Was lease a horse/Now Shots-Vaccines
i asked my vet about vaccines and icelandics, she just graduated, she is my equine dentist for now til she gets her practice started. She seems very modern and well read, had even heard and read about the latest SE study at cornell etc. She said hey, its up to you, but look at it this way. West Nile is not something you have to worry could be in your area some day,. It IS in your area. Horses in your area die from it and get it every year, three died in florida this WINTER, not even in mosquito season. The lady who owns the feed store got it and was in the hospital! And she lives near me. So I would be pretty foolish not to vaccinate. But like potomac fever. I have never seen or heard of any horse around here ever having that EVER. So I dont vaccinate for that. I also vaccinate my horses that I take off the property for rides with others differently than the ones who never leave home. The ones I take off to places get flu and rhino every three months and the ones that dont get flu and rhino once a year unless there is an outbreak and then I give it to them again. She advised tho that Inot give shot combos to the icelandics. to give one at a time vaccines two weeks apart so I have been doing that. Its easy to judge. But I tell you what, nobody better try and SELL me a horse that hasnt had shots! been there,done that, its buried in my pasture! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Fwd: Dog Pack Attacks Gator in Florida
HAHAHA oh my gosh that is too cute!! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mare on Dreamhorse/Companion for Svort
Jacki, look on dreamhorse, do a search for icelandics in any state and go way back because it was a couple of months ago, one on there was awesome, and very cheap. very deadbroke and calm and easy to ride, but it had gone blind in one eye from a cataract.. I thought at the time how awesome it would be if he could find a good loving home. And a blind horse NEEDS a companion. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
HAHA, one , emerald green and yellow :) I want red and green for christmas and they have a glorious white one with pearls. I rode Tivar on a big trail ride with it once, people were stupified. Their mouths would drop open and then they would slowly smile, then grin, then crack up. Teev was so serious you know, very solemn and grumpy like a little man, with his yankee doodle DRAFT HORSE SIZED carriage plume... I didnt get a teeny one, i wanted to make sure people could see it! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
oh, i gotta get a royal blue one with a white sequin base because I got my friend sylvia and myself matching sequin vests at the goodwill, hers is white, mine is royal, and we can wear red shirts underneath and she could get a red and white harness plume...janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Beet Pulp cookies
oh wow, i gotta try this. I guess you squeeze all the water out of the beet pulp? Is that a dumb question?? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] mule guy on RFDTV
wow you see so many nuts lately on RFDTV, just horse abuse really... but this mule guy was on today, man he was really something!! He said things like, if he won't lower his head for you to work with him you don't need to work with him any further than on lowering the head because he is not in a frame of mind to learn from you Then he went on and on about how you should be soft and have only a snaffle and that the final outcome should be that if the reins are totally loose and you have whoaed him, you can clap and yell and wave your arms and the animal should be relaxed and not move, because he has learned when he has whoaed and the reins are loose it is not time to go. He was a very good trainer... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mare on Dreamhorse/Companion for Svort
Hi; I have a project mare of sorts who should probably go to a new home if the appropriate one could be found. Katina is a mare that I have had for about five years. I bought her as a brood mare but my shoulder is not up to dealing with youngsters. She has had two very nice foals for me - a filly (who is now four) and a colt (who is now three). Katina was previously used as a broodmare but was also trained and used for trail riding. She was imported. She is very, very frightened of men and especially frightened of shoers. The previous owners would drug her for shoeing. We've worked with her some and I don't use shoes - so she is reasonably good for the farrier (I have never drugged her; we just took our time). I haven't really spent that much time with her (too many other things to do) but I think that she would really like to be someone's friend. She tries - checks me out, carefully, and is eager for treats. She is so pretty - a very pretty little dished face. She's about 13 HH. I'll see if I can find some photos of her. Penny
Re: [IceHorses] Icelandic mare on Dreamhorse/Companion for Svort
So, if you hear of any potentially nice project horses please think of me first. Jacki Jacki I have forgotten where you are but I was perusing dreamhorse tonight and found all of these potentially wonderful companions: This one a little skittish: http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1194422 This one really hit home for me - current life as a pack horse-he wants a new home!: http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1163436 Lots of potential here: http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1153657 An Icy X but sounds like he needs a new home quickly: http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1154368 Another X - but maybe closer to you? http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1158142 And yet another X - I know that he has been discussed before. I love this guy and if I could I would snatch him up: http://dreamhorse.com/show_horse.php?form_horse_id=1192340 All geldings - alas no mares. All in somewhat unfortunate situations. Guess I have a little time on my hands tonight! Sarah in MT
Re: [IceHorses] Shots-Vaccines
This brings up another subject.Vaccines. we do not give a lot of vaccines, certainley not yearly like these MFGs want you to do. I have been blasted by a couple of members about this before.everyone has to make up their own mindbut I hear of so many horses, dogs (I have personally had 3 puppies die from vaccines)and yes people have reactions, some very mild , all the way to death. Skye Wow - in almost 19 years of vaccinating dogs and cats, I have had only one death. In contrast to a very large number of deaths (and prolonged and expensive illnesses) from diseases that could have been vaccinated against but weren't. I've used plenty of Fort Dodge, too. That's not to say that I think that every animal should be vaccinated with every vaccine available, every year. I don't. This is a tricky problem that should be tailored to every animal and situation. It also brings up another question. The dog who died was a pug. I am going to try not to insult anyone too much - but - what are people thinking about when they deliberately breed dogs that are so malformed as to be almost non-functional? Pugs, because of the way they are built (by humans), have skin problems, eye problems, ear problems, teeth problems...What about bulldogs? Chihuahuas? etc... Penny
Re: [IceHorses] A must have for Janice
On 30/03/2008, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didnt get a teeny one, i wanted to make sure people could see it! Of course...otherwise what's the point? Wanda
