Re: [IceHorses] More Stuff - cryptorchids
Um, I was hardly braggin about it, was I??? I was referring to the website, not to you. But hardly a large sample to draw such a conclusion from. I've bred around 50 Icelandic foals over the years and had ONE cryptorchid. And you know what? I'm about the only person that I know of who calls the inguinal cryptorchids, cryptorchids. Just about everyone else says they just descend late, or some other euphemism/excuse, and then deny that it's a problem. But, whatever they are called, they meet the established veterinary definition of inguinal cryptorchids. I use the standard veterinary definition for all horses, and by that definition, it's quite common in this breed. Certainly any horse that was presented for assessment with no - or one - ball would not be allowed to be used for breeding in Europe. A colt is technically a cryptorchid if his testicles aren't fully descended at birth, or within days of being born. Colts aren't evaluated (traditionally anyway) until they are four years old. Thus, that doesn't tell us much. Cryptorchidism is at best a nuisance. At worst, it's a health risk to the colt and if the colt isn't gelded properly and fully, it can present behavioral risks later in life. It's nothing to sneeze at. And what really disturbs me is that if we don't talk about it, we don't know if the incidence is increasing or staying constant. Besides, we don't KNOW that the trait is inherited through the father - do we? Maybe, possibly, the trait is passed through the mare...? You certainly couldn't tell by looking at a mare if she were carrying the trait. As long as we deny there's a problem, it will be very difficult to assess what's causing it, and where it comes from. Breeding Evaluations that are designed primarily for riding horses (ie older horses) cannot address this problem as by then 99.9% of the colts testicles will have descended anyway. I don't know, Mic. Cryptorchidism strikes me as a much more pressing issue for the breed's future than adding more feather to the legs. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: More Stuff - cryptorchids
The statistics would be hard to evaluate since many breeders (like me), geld ALL males (I have no desire or facilities to stand a stud to outside mares); and the rest, if they are responsible, wait to see how those T males do in 3 year old bozal classes at the shows (where gait and conformation is the criteria) before deciding if they go into the bit as G or S. I can't offer any statistics about the mare who produced the one cryptorchid here, because it was Sina, and I don't plan to give her up long enough to ever breed her again. I've talked to our local repro vets and the vet community seems to have the view that an inguinal cryptorchid or late descender isn't REALLY a crytorchid. That's not what I've read, but again, I think this isn't a common enough problem with sufficient numbers of horses studied to gather any meaningful statistics. I've heard a lot of Icelandic breeders and importers speak of colts that don't descend until they are 18-24 months. That's VERY late, especially since I think many of them were finally gelded, so who knows if/when they would have descended. I gelded Landi at 12 months. His were not only undescended, but were very, very small, but he was an inguinal cryptorchid. Something was obviously wrong, and I've heard of other cases much like his. The vet shouldn't have to go on a snipe hunt to find the testicles of one year-old colt. and was explicitly told by the vets at the clinic that the rule was unnecessarily restrictive, since descent can be affected by so many hormonal mediators and not just be a simple conformation issue. I'm not sure I follow why that distinction might be important? Wouldn't certain hormonal mediators possibly be genetic as well...? Is there a reason that one wouldn't be just as troublesome as the other? Never heard of a horse with a hernia. I have heard of several. Plus with Icelandics, the history has been to eat them or just bury them and not ask questions, so who knows how often it actually occurs - either cryptorchidism or hernias. I know I've heard of people finding colts dead for no apparent reason. Maybe none of those had hernias, but we just don't know. People would rather spin sagas about this breed than speak up about their actual experiences. But the sisters and mothers of these colts are VERY fertile -- I can and did successfully breed them in early Fall, on one cycle every time (shipped or frozen semen or live cover), no slips, and didn't breed for the first time until they were 10 or 12. Hmm, I wasn't even thinking about whether any suspicious mares might or might not be fertile - I just assumed they would be normally fertile. To me, just the fact that the gelding surgery is more expensive and has a risk of more complications is enough of a worry. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
On 6/6/08, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: you gotta be kiddin me. Saving possums! When we kept running across the same huge rattlesnake when out riding, ny friend's husband went on line to rattlesnake rescue to learn how to relocate it. Nancy we found my peahen trying to kill a giant oaksnake near our feed bins and thought well, oak snakes are good so left it alone. Now all our eggs are going missing so will relocate when we see him again! As for rattlers my policy is leave them alone (or relocate) when in the wild, but on my property, where I might reach in a feed bin and be struck or one of my animals be struck, I would kill it. As for possums, to me any animal who rolls in dead skunks and comes to kill your chickens etc, animals that carry rabies, to me, they are not a type of animal I deem in need of rescue. and what Debbie said earlier, I have thought about that, I have a coworker who feeds feral cats at our workplace dumpster. Every evening she goes home she stops by the dumpster and dumps out a half a box of catfood on the ground. It started with two little cats now there are about twenty. In a way, I think she is enabling someone, some people who just don't spay or neuter their animals and never see the consequences and just think oh well, they've wandered off and found a good home! Maybe if she did not feed them they would go back home and stand out in the yard crying for help and the people would see the consequences of their actions? I get so mad at people who do this. I live in an area where people dump out pets. They start to starve and come to my house to kill chickens so I have to do something about the problem. I told my husband Lord help the one I ever catch putting a dog out, he'll be lucky if I dont have a gun cause I will throw a rock or oyster shell or something at him! I walked nasi down to the bridge near my house two weeks ago and couldnt even go down to the water cause someone had thrown out a pitbull, about 6 months old, probably threw him in the creek but he somehow got out of the sack and didnt drown. That happens all the time too. Litters all at once thrown down there. I used to call animal control and they never come of course, so now I just look and think how sad it is they will be eaten by animals in the night. and i just think, I cant save them all... janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Finding the Last Rib and LS Joint
and what is the significance of it, of locating it Judy? For saddlefit? Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Niels West
a nice picture Nancy, thank you. As a person who is often around pasos and paso riders I have to say I am not a fan of brio. I actually think it is a stupid macho hispanic term that is an excuse for wild stupid behavior, yet another emperors clothes deal. I realize, yes, I am am writing this heavily under the influence of nyquil so thereby am completely released of all imhibition and am speaking as a heretic but it is such a great release for me, since none of my paso riding friends are on here and can read this, for me to vent some of my frustration. last sunday afternoon I had to go in the blazing heat with broken toes and no horse to a sheriffs posse certification training class. There were four pasos there. of the four only three could be ridden and the fourth, who has been sent to formal traing six times now and is ten years old, stood tied at the trailer the whole time rearing in an effort to break his halter and run like a wild heathen thru the grounds. When she walked him around to show him off people would say oh my, he is a handful! as he would paw at the air trying to strike you and the owner would grin proudly and say oh yes, he definitely has brio! Then in the posse session the only horses that acted nutso were the pasos, I have ridden with one of them literally years on the trail. where we have come up on every obstacle known to man. His owner is a person who I consider one of the best horse people I know, she wont let him get away with anything. She is firm and loving. He is a maniac plain and simple. I'm sorry. Its not brio. its being an a-hole. I would have so much more respect if when people said oh my he sure is a handful if she had grinned and said oh yes, he defnitely is an a hole! Thats what I say about stonewall! why whitewash it! I could say oh yes, my he has that modern show bred TWH fiery temperament! but i dont I claim it. He is a big goofball nuthead what can I say. I think I need more nyquil. its 2:30 AM, my days melt into night. every six hours I awake for my doses. I wish tho that they could come up with a fancy exotic sexy hispanic name for what stonewall is and I could tell people thats what he has next time he acts like a nutcase in public. Whats the spanish word for ahole? janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Becoming a Centered Riding Instructor
On 6/6/08, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEFINITIONS OF INSTRUCTOR STANDINGS Centered Riding, Inc., recognizes the following Instructor Levels: Section 2.1: Centered Riding Instructor Level I: The Level I Centered Riding Instructor is any riding instructor who has successfully completed a two-part Centered Riding Basic Instructor Course as a Participating Instructor. The Level I Instructor may teach Centered Riding as it applies to his/her own specialty areas. In my Certified Fat Circus Pony Academy level one apprenticeship, the very first step, is getting the pony to wear a carriage pume and taking photos of it. I can get them off ebay for 18 bucks, so I have my apprentices order them from me for 38 bucks. Janice Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
When we kept running across the same huge rattlesnake when out riding, ny friend's husband went on line to rattlesnake rescue to learn how to relocate it. Does anyone know of a trustworthy mosquito rescue? . I know a few I'd like to relocate. Jacki
[IceHorses] Sweet Itch (SE, Summer Eczema, Queensland Itch) Information page
http://www.sweet-itch.co.uk/symptoms.html Beware this site was put together by a dealer of the Boett sweet itch blankets so I'm sure it has a marketing slant, but there seems to be some good information and pictures on this site. More importantly, I picked up a couple of details that I'd never heard emphasized in discussions on the topic on the Icelandic lists. Here's the page where the info is put together without the pictures, so it's handy for printing or saving to your hard drive: http://www.sweet-itch.co.uk/info.html The following is an important detail that I'd never heard stressed in conversations on this topic on the Icelandic lists. I only remember reading the advice that owners should stable their SE horses from dusk to dawn. In Tivar's case, I think that could be disastrous, and I don't think we would have broken his cycle so quickly had I stalled him at night when he first got here. Finally, I read something to back that idea up: Stable at dusk and dawn, when midge feeding is at its peak, and close stable doors and windows (midges can enter stables). The installation of a large ceiling-mounted fan can help to create less favourable conditions for the midge. For slight to moderate cases of Sweet Itch this can help. However a seriously itchy, stabled horse has hours of boredom during which to think up new ways of relieving his itch - manes and tails can be demolished in a few hours of scratching against a stable wall. If stabling can be avoided it is best to do so. NOTE that last sentence: IF STABLING CAN BE AVOIDED, IT IS BEST TO DO SO. And another point that makes a lot of sense to me, a point that I'd never heard emphasized on these lists. This tidbit was in the part about preserving the life of a Boett blanket, but apparently a large part of the damage comes from the self-inflicted injuries horses get from scratching - so that makes any surface they can rub on a potential hazzard. Here's the quote: Electric fencing is ideal for horses with Sweet Itch, considerably prolonging the life of the blanket. Barbed wire is totally inappropriate and certain types of hedging or rough stone walls can also cause damage to a seriously itchy animal. Here's a couple of other points from that page that I'll pick: It is often difficult to assess the effectiveness of a particular treatment. The incidence and severity of Sweet Itch is so highly dependent on midge numbers, apparent success may simply reflect a temporary fall in numbers due to a change in the weather, for symptoms only to return again later when weather conditions are more midge-favourable. I believe that now. I don't know if our apparently lower midge numbers are going to hold out compared to what Janice had in Florida, but I sure hope so. I hope and pray we're not just in a weather cycle that will eventually change and he'll start suffering again. We DO NOT generally have biting midges here - at least none that like to bite humans. But, if we travel east just 20-30 miles into the sandy soil of the NC Coastal Plain, that changes. I've never read anything that associates a certain soil type to an increased incidence of SE, but maybe we should remember that one nickname for midges is SANDFLIES. We don't have sandy soil in this part of NC - I'd be interested to see a comparision of the severity of SE in sandy soil areas versus non-sandy soils. Apparently midges DO breed in the soil. MYTH: Sweet Itch is a rare condition; REALITY: About 1 in 20 horses and ponies in the UK suffer. Ok, so that's 5% in the United Kingdom, although I don't know where these people got that number. I'd be willing to bet that number is much lower in most of the USA among domestic-bred horses, although it sounds like it might be that high in certain areas...unfortunately, as in parts of Florida. I'm not sure how many horses (hundreds) that my vet clinic treats, but last time I asked, they only have one case of sweet itch in this area. There is only one imported Icelandic in their practice, and his case is very minor - if it is indeed SE. Considering that most people believe that somewhere between 50-80% of imported Icelandic's brought into USA SE-zones will eventually develop SE, that's a big difference. Here are some other myths they list: MYTH: Spring is the worst time for Sweet Itch; REALITY: Autumn is often the worst time. MYTH: Sweet Itch only affects pony breeds; REALITY: There are many horses of 15hh and over with sweet Itch. MYTH: All midges cause Sweet Itch; REALITY: The dancing midges that appear over water and bushes are larger and are non-biting. MYTH: Culicoides need streams and rivers to breed; REALITY: They breed in moist soil, rotting vegetation and muck heaps, not in flowing water. MYTH: Culicoides need trees; REALITY: They can shelter in any herbage, including grass. But trees do create
Re: [IceHorses] Tivar update
I've never seen or heard of it before until I joined the list to learn more about Icelandics. V I'd heard of sweet itch before I got Icelandic's, but just barely, and I'd never seen a horse with it before. I'd had horses about 13 years at the time, and I've always read everything horsey I can get my hands on, including horse care oriented magazines like Equus and The Horse. Also, I'd been a 4H leader (assistant coach) for a 4H Horse Bowl team that won their state division several years in a row - I think that's where I heard of it.It's just not a topic that gets a lot of press in mainstream USA magazines, so that tells me it's not a HUGE issue in most breeds in the USA, at least not in most parts of the country. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Re: More Stuff - cryptorchids
Never heard of a horse with a hernia. I sure have, and it wasn't pretty. There was a little TB filly at Creekside when I was first there who was recovering from her second hernia surgery. The first was unsuccessful. She has a huge belly band in place, had to be in a stall, has lost a lot of weight and had the saddest little face. She did recover and moved back to where ever she came from. I don't know what became of her. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
2008/6/7 Jacki Edens [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know of a trustworthy mosquito rescue? . I know a few I'd like to relocate. Ah Jacki...thanks! I needed a laugh. When Janice was talking about feral cats, we have three cats roaming around our property...I suspect they've been dropped off. I have one little female that's been coming to the house and drinking out of the bird bath. I've noticed in the mornings that any food Sophie left in her dish (which is out on the deck) is gone. I fully expect to find kittens in the bales. I'm settling in with my coffee now that I know Janice is on Nyquil... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Janice on Nyquil
Janice. Janice. Janice. Does anyone remember that line from When Harry Met Sally? I'll have some of what she's having. Sadly, I only know two Peruvian Pasos. I absolutely know there are some out doing endurance successfully and participating in many disciplines with owners who love and enjoy them. The two I know are making life a misery for a wonderful older lady, a psychiatrist. I think she considers them rescues and wants to save them from themselves. She is drawn to the needy. There's a good chance she's going to get hurt. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Tivar update
I've never seen or heard of it before until I joined the list to learn more about Icelandics. I bought a nice big driving pony who came to Oregon from Texas. He had never been to Iceland. He suffered terribly from SE. I had never seen it, but there was quite a lot of literature. I tried everything. Some summers seemed worse than others. A daily dose of freshly ground flax seed was one onf the things I tried, fly protection, keeping him very clean. I never want to see it again. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] More Stuff - cryptorchids
On Fri, 6 Jun 2008 10:43:46 -0400, you wrote: I don't know, Mic. Cryptorchidism strikes me as a much more pressing issue for the breed's future than adding more feather to the legs. I agree. So how would you suggest addressing the problem? Inspections for foals, perhaps? If so, paid for by whom? At what age? What would be the cut-off date (pardon the pun) after which a colt could be considered an inguinal cryptorchid? Mic Mic (Michelle) Rushen --- Solva Icelandic Horses and DeMeulenkamp Sweet Itch Rugs: www.solva-icelandics.co.uk ---
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
Does anyone know of a trustworthy mosquito rescue? . I know a few I'd like to relocate. Jacki I just love Jacki! She's so quiet on the list most of the time, then out comes a zinger like that one! Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Becoming a Centered Riding Instructor
On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 02:47:20AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: On 6/6/08, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEFINITIONS OF INSTRUCTOR STANDINGS Centered Riding, Inc., recognizes the following Instructor Levels: Section 2.1: Centered Riding Instructor Level I: The Level I Centered Riding Instructor is any riding instructor who has successfully completed a two-part Centered Riding Basic Instructor Course as a Participating Instructor. The Level I Instructor may teach Centered Riding as it applies to his/her own specialty areas. according to lucile bump, who was my instructor-instructor, they basically don't let you back for part 2 (four days, includes supervised teaching of students) if they think you're not going to make it after part 1 (two and a half days and you teach other instructor-candidates). i brought one of my own students to be a participating student in part 2 -- they had everyone *but* me teach her, of course. it was great; she learned bundles, and now i have someone to geek with at home. --vicka
RE: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
Sorry for your experiences, Janice. I have never had an opossum kill my chickens, ducks, or any other thing. I had one as a pet years ago and he was wonderful...I don't have rabies and neither did he. They are extremely gentle animals and I have never had any problems with them my entire life...even before I rehabbed them. Most of my dogs and cats are rescues from someone dumping them, etc. My great border collie, Dreyfuss was dumped in a freezing irrigation ditch in January in Colorado...the other two didn't make it. I, too, live in an area where people dump animals all the time. As I believe I've heard somewhere around here...Compassion is not species specific. Opossums aren't dangerous. Rattlesnakes are. We have our fair share out here. I do not rescue anything that could KILL me or my animals. SHEESH the judgement around here! Either way...they found a home. Mary Dudley, LVT
Re: [IceHorses] Hernia
Never heard of a horse with a hernia. How about a hernia near the belly button? I think there's info around about umbilical hernias. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
Mary, I am sorry I was judgemental, I had NEVER heard about keeping them as Pets, everything I hear about them is that they carry EPM and make our horses very sick... So, my habit has been to think of them as Varmits that we kill, I rehap cats, and my neighbor shoots them... -- PNH Levels 1 2 Clinics, Rochester MN http://www.sittinghorse.us The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com ~
[IceHorses] Clinic Report with Pictures
http://elizabethgraves.blogspot.com/2008/06/black-horse-equestrian-center-palmyra.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
I, too, live in an area where people dump animals all the time. Us too. We live on a 1/2 mile dirt road and every one on our road has taken in at least two dumped dogs over the years. The awful thing is that eventually we get to the level that we can't take another and the dumpers just don't quit. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Color Question
black/purple one? :) Karen, I can't believe you had to ask. The purple one of course. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Tosca in purple
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I ordered a couple of purple individual water bottle holders for Tosca, but when I went in the feed store, they had Stowaways on sale for half price, so now the purple girl has those too. She looks good in purple, Nancy! Now we got to get you into purple riding breeches! I sure like your saddle, too! It's a Duett? What size and which exact model? It looks perfect on her! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Tosca in purple
The saddle is a Duett companion trail. It has an 18 seat and a 36 cm tree. Kaaren Jordan helped set up a Skito pad to use with it, purple of course. I'm dieting and successfully. I'm a little afraid the seat is going to be too big pretty soon, but if that happens. I will be celebrating so loudly that you will hear me at your place. Because of Tosca's rather round back, I'm having trouble with the saddle sliding forward over her withers on our very steep descents. This would happen with any saddle and is common for horses here with low withers. I have been working with her to become accostomed to a crupper, but can't quite get up my nerve to take her out on trail with. I'm reasonably sure it will be a non event, but I sort of dread the first time she feels it under her tail. Has your Specialized come yet? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Tosca in purple
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has your Specialized come yet? It is supposed to ship on July 17, so I will then have a month to ride in it and tweak it before my LD at the Tour de Wash on August 23. Now, the horses are approaching the starting gate! I think there will be a triple crown winner! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Tosca in purple
--- susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there will be a triple crown winner! Guess I was wrong - what a surprise! Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Tosca in purple
Guess I was wrong - what a surprise! Yup. It will be interesting if they can come up with an answer to what went wrong with Big Brown today. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Tosca in purple
so I will then have a month to ride in it and tweak it before my LD at the Tour de Wash on August 23. I was thinking of hauling Tosca down to Hat Creek later this month to do the 10 mile fun ride, but our substitute care giver can't come that weekend, so I guess we'll just save fuel and ride at home. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] More Stuff - cryptorchids
I agree. So how would you suggest addressing the problem? Inspections for foals, perhaps? If so, paid for by whom? At what age? What would be the cut-off date (pardon the pun) after which a colt could be considered an inguinal cryptorchid? I honestly don't know the answers to those questions, but those are EXACTLY the kind of questions we need to be asking. Seriously, I think just openly talking about it will give us a good start, and as discussions unfold, maybe some of these answers will become more evident as we go. Right now, without people admitting the problem any more than they have, I'm not sure we know where we're starting from. And, since I'm no fan of the evaluation system, my first concern is not in putting that into the procedures, but instead, it's in doing our part to find out where we actually stand with this condition in the breed. I don't mind admitting that my dearly beloved and perfect Landi was a cryptorchid. Janice and someone else (Susan I think) have admitted their colts were. I hope more people will talk about it as it arises. (Hroi is perfectly equipped, or I'd say otherwise.) All of these seem to be great horses as far as I know. The condition doesn't seem to make for bad riding horses at all - but there are some health risks involved, the gelding surgery is more expensive, and can be more risky, so people need to be aware of the consequences of buying a cryptorchid colt. Mainly, though, I wonder if it's not a sign of too much inbreeding in the past...? Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Debbie K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mary, I am sorry I was judgemental, I had NEVER heard about keeping them as Pets, everything I hear about them is that they carry EPM and make our horses very sick... So, my habit has been to think of them as Varmits that we kill, I rehap cats, and my neighbor shoots them... I see I did not finish my thought, the neigbor shoots them, he does not admit it, but his kid told me that they do, we have lost many cats over the 10 years we have lived here, Cats who came to us, who were hurt or abandoned... we have rehabbed them and turned them into pets, I suspect the Possum is the same way, I will never look at them the same again, thank you for opening my eyes to another side of the Possum, but I have to admit, my first thought was, you have got to be kidding! I thought it was a joke when I first read your note!!! -- PNH Levels 1 2 Clinics, Rochester MN http://www.sittinghorse.us The Soul of a Horse ~ has touched my soul, may it touch yours too! ~ thesoulofahorse.com ~
Re: [IceHorses] A hot day, but I couldn't resist...
oh thats my guy! he is so good! I am so glad he is ok there because i know him so well--- if he was sad and upset you would not be up there riding him! He would dance and act like a brat haha Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Color Question
black is very nice and dignified but Teev s a horse that needs frivolity so people will treat him friendly. because he can act grumpy people treat him like he is grumpy and he really isnt... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] More Stuff - cryptorchids
trouble with inguinal stuff... nasi had it, he seemed like he had one big testical but they found both were on one side. when the vet made the incision gut fluid shot out about ten inches and he said outloud oh no, not good. and I was like what WHAT and he said well with gut fluid the intestines are slipping into the opening and can go in and out and he could have got them caught on something running around and gutted himself. That its a life threatening situation. and not a good thing to fix in a non sterile environment like nasi was in, laid out on a grassy lawn behind the vet office. it was a very risky situation for him that turned out ok. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
I'm settling in with my coffee now that I know Janice is on Nyquil... Wanda its making me very mean! Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
its like rabbits. I love fluffy little rabbits. But they dog holes all over and multiply like crazy and nothing is spookier to a horse than a jackrabbit bolt thru the leaves. bah humbug on rabbits!! (hefting my tankard of nyquil, die ye evi beasties!) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
On 6/7/08, Mary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for your experiences, Janice. I have never had an opossum kill my chickens, ducks, or any other thing. I had one as a pet years ago and he was wonderful...I I bet he napped a lot! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT - opossums need home in So Cal
On 6/7/08, Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a trustworthy mosquito rescue? . I know a few I'd like to relocate. Jacki I just love Jacki! She's so quiet on the list most of the time, then out comes a zinger like that one! Karen Thomas, NC she should never have children. My father was like that. He never said a word, only like once every three years and when he spoke it would make you laugh for months. I am his spawn. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Castration in horses - cryptorchids
Here's an article explaining the basics of the castration procedure, including a discussion of the definition of cryptorchidism, the possible complications of cryptorchid surgery, and some discussion of when to castrate. It's pretty standard in our community to geld the colts sometime between six months and a year. http://www.thehorse.com/ViewArticle.aspx?ID=30 Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Hernia
On 6/7/08, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Never heard of a horse with a hernia. How about a hernia near the belly button? I think there's info around about umbilical hernias. an inguinal hernia is very common, nothing seems wrong til they geld, and the guts spill out on the ground. happened to one of jaspar's cousins only a month ago. a gorgeous two year old stud. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] show trauma
i think now that I am on nyquil and mean as a snake it would be a good time for me to cause a huge argument and have everyone fighting for days :) I am still mad about paso finos and brio, a hispanic term glorifying a maniac psycho horse. and then i got to thinking, this is just yet ANOTHER show world thing!! People who ride pasos on the trail dont want BRIO. They want calm and relaxed and mannerly. People who ride icelandics on the trail dont want a wild eyed speed rack in and out trees, they want calm and relaxed! Here is a short list of breed hype myths that stem from the show world, feel free to add as you see fit: 1. Todays tennessee walking horse was bred to carry the farm owner around the property on friday, go for a trail ride on saturday, and haul the family to church in the wagon on sunday. Oh yeah right like most of the beer guzzling chain smoking alkies I ride with on a lot of saturdays actually get up on time to go to a CHURCH sunday... but aside from that, see anything wrong?? Uhmn,... like would it be hard for a horse to do all that wearing PADDED SHOES a foot TALL helooo 2. The Mccurdy plantation horse does a lick no other horse on the planet can do, the mccurdy lick. hello duh, its a saddle rack any idiot can see that. 3. Pasos have brio! thats why they go nuts so spectacularly! because they whip them to make them leap from a stall wild eyed, conmtrolled only by six hispanic grooms high on mescaline or tequila or both. 4. Missouri foxtrotters don't rack or runningwalk. except those who ride them usually wish they would and they often do. 5. Spotted saddle horses are less nutty than walking horses. except every one i have ever seen. 6. Racking horses, unlike walking horses, enjoy walking on padded shoes and it doesnt hurt them at all. saddlebreds can't really rack unless they are registered racking. 7. Horse shows are always fair and friends never give friends they are judging extra points. 8. icelandics. oh my gosh where do we begin. First of all. What the heck are wet tendons and how can you give a high score for legs to a horse with wet tendons. I dont even know what they are and they cant be good! Or are we breeding now for wet tendons? Maybe they found out wet tendons help tote the weighted bell boots better so we are breeding for those now so they will pick up their little high stepping feet higher. I mean come ON you guys, do horses pick their feet up that high in the wild??!?!? NO! they do NOT. except when pronging maybe, a display thing horses do, i say that because most icelandic horseowners dont even know what that is, they think its toelte. lemme just ask you a question, you breeders out there, come on, lets be entirely honest and real... looking in from an objective view from the sidelines... do you really think the tennessee walking horse padded shoe world grand champion passes on genetically that duck walk? now. look at your icelandic wearing weighted boots, tight noseband and painful saddle and ask yourself... is he gonna pass that magnificent flying pace to offspring?? No. because you cannot pass on anything to offspring thats not N-A-T-U-R-A-L!! Thats like expecting all my children to look like madonna cause i dyed my hair blonde!! and lost a hundred pounds. and had a nose job. and a face lift! I swear. anyway. Time for my next dose. see you guys again in exactly 6 hours. I expect you to have made some meaningful contributions to this rant while I am gone... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Color Question
For Janice, or anyone else who is into colorology: Which sidepull looks better on Teev, the solid black one or the black/purple one? :) Black purple for sure. I never liked just plain black. Lorraine
[IceHorses] Re: I am going to hell for this
teeeh this is just screaming for a good caption!!! I swear curly ray is saying sheesh, and i thought my legs were skinny, knobby and white! HAHA Janice Evil -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
[IceHorses] Re: sweet trausti
Trausti is thinking : Jeez its hottern blazes here! and they must all wear ragnasty hairdos down here. look at my hair, what the??!?? her breath, i swear to god, she stays high on nyquil... HAhaha janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] OT First days with Charlie my new TWH
Subject: Re: [IceHorses] OT First days with Charlie my new TWH Gorgeous Bia! I hop you have a saddle with a lot of clearance at the withers! What a nice short back tho...I bet he is nicely gaited! He is beautiful! Janice Thanks Janice... I think he needs about 300 pounds... but that said... I am PRAYING my aussie saddle fits him. Bia
Re: [IceHorses] Tosca in purple
they had Stowaways on sale for half price, so Nancy what store was that? Stowaways at half price is too good too pass on. Jacki
