Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
Judi, if Parelli's Left Brain Extrovert had a photo beside it it would be of my horse stonewall. It really helps me to think of it as a tool to try and help him get what he needs from me. As for the noseband thing... Tivar was so great in a sidepull and no bit, and I honestly suspect it was from the tight noseband training, He had such an aversion to anything tight on his nose so he would respond as well or even better in a sidepull than a bit. that could be somethimg to try in a small area. I have other horses that think a sidepull is something to laugh hilariously at. My most deadbroke horse, in fact, I could ride him anywhere in a sidepull (or even a halter!) but he will start snatching bites of weeds etc after a while. They get used to things... I have a myler D ring snaffle with a barrel in the middle on three of my horses and it is a great bit. for a high headed hyper horse a mullen mouth is good. I have a myler combo bit on one horse but someone said it is a gag bit, and since it cost over a hundred bucks and I rarely use it on the horse I havent gotten rid of it. I use it on my Jas, who seems to like it, but i steer him with feet and he rarely breaks a dog walk so I dont have to rate speed. I think mylers make good bits but there are so many styles and some are harsh. so far I have found any really fancy scrolled silver cowboy bit is an instrument of torture :) Janice even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
Judi Qualls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi, > > I am really sorry. Okay, do-overs. : ) Let's just start over. I just don't want anyone to be afraid to ask questions and I certainly don't want to discourage anyone from posting with my answers.I try to be so careful with my words because, as Nancy said, it's the darned internet where things can come across wrong so easily. And when people ask questions it's probably something someone else wonders too, or is interested in.We all learn something new, even when "old" topics re-surface. > It is really no problem for me just to read here. I learn lots of good > things here< No, join in! P.S. As the daughter of a WWII vet and a Christian, love your signature line. -- Renee M. up in Michigan > "Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and > the American G. I. One died for your soul; the other for your freedom."<
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
>>>what makes you think you "appear to be pretty stupid." Geez, not in my book!!! I just didn't understand why you thought you had to have a noseband with a snaffle and offered that I didn't use one with the snaffles I have. I meant to reassure with my own experience, not offend. I certainly didn't intend to make you feel stupid nor did I think that with my reply. Yikes. . . .<<< Hi, I am really sorry. I had no reason to do that and you have been a member of this group for a long time. It is really no problem for me just to read here. I learn lots of good things here and I apologize. Judi "Only two defining forces have ever offered to die for you, Jesus Christ and the American G. I. One died for your soul; the other for your freedom."
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
- Original Message - From: "Judi Qualls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Quoting like to use full-cheek snaffle bits and so DO use the bit keepers with those, but on plain "O" ring snaffles, I'll add a chin strap if I'm worried about the bit sliding around too much. Is that your concern in wanting a noseband -- bit stability?<<< > > Hi, > > I guess I appear to be pretty stupid.< Judi, Since you quote my response to your query, I have to assume my answer is what makes you think you "appear to be pretty stupid."Geez, not in my book!!! I just didn't understand why you thought you had to have a noseband with a snaffle and offered that I didn't use one with the snaffles I have.I meant to reassure with my own experience, not offend. I certainly didn't intend to make you feel stupid nor did I think that with my reply. Yikes. . . . >My initial question was about the the cradle bit and that it was stated to >give more bit release than a regular bit and wondered if anyone had tried >one or not.< Okay, you only wanted to hear feedback from people who had used this bit. Got it. I'm sorry I responded. > . . . I was very hesitant about even posting here, I read posts here almost every day, but did not take enough time to read my reply about what I was using on my horse. I guess I will go back to reading only. < Well, maybe the better thing is I just don't reply to questions anymore. -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
2008/7/16 Judi Qualls <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I guess I appear to be pretty stupid. I know I have not researched yet all > the mechanics of the dropped noseband with compliance to the snaffle bit. I Hi Judi, if it helps, I'd like to comment on my experience with a dropped noseband. I had an old guy that seemed to like the snaffle, but disliked the noseband. I bought a bridle with a cavesson and tossed the dropped noseband in the tip. I took lessons on him and that improved our communication If you're thinking of changing any tack, make sure you have a few test rides in a safe place before you go out on the trail. As far as bits go, it's a matter of what your horse is comfortable with...if he's comfy or not...he'll let you know within the first few moments of having a bit in his mouth. I guess I must have about 15 bits hanging in my tack shed now. Thankfully the bit search isn't quite as expensive as the saddle search. Wanda -- Thoughts become things...
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
>>>like to use full-cheek snaffle bits and so DO use the bit keepers with >>>those, but on plain "O" ring snaffles, I'll add a chin strap if I'm worried >>>about the bit sliding around too much. Is that your concern in wanting a >>>noseband -- bit stability?<<< Hi, I guess I appear to be pretty stupid. I know I have not researched yet all the mechanics of the dropped noseband with compliance to the snaffle bit. I just know my horse really resists the noseband, but he was trained with the snaffle and the dropped noseband and maybe they were making it too tight. I have not tried the snaffle without the noseband yet but will. I have a full cheek snaffle I can use if the bit stability is in question. My initial question was about the the cradle bit and that it was stated to give more bit release than a regular bit and wondered if anyone had tried one or not. I was very hesitant about even posting here, I read posts here almost every day, but did not take enough time to read my reply about what I was using on my horse. I guess I will go back to reading only. Judi
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
Hi Judi, I'm a bit confused. You said your stallions likes the snaffle you are using now, but he doesn't like the dropped noseband. Okay, forgive my simplicity, but why not just discard the dropped noseband if that is what the problem is? I use snaffle bits and I don't use a noseband at all. I like to use full-cheek snaffle bits and so DO use the bit keepers with those, but on plain "O" ring snaffles, I'll add a chin strap if I'm worried about the bit sliding around too much. Is that your concern in wanting a noseband -- bit stability? -- Renee M. in Michigan
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping / Control
Did you ever read Earth's Children by Jean Auel? I'd forgotten about that book. Yes, I have read it and probably it was not original thinking but Jean Auel who planted those thoughts about early woman meeting and teaming up with a horse. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping / Control
--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Judy Ryder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Did you ever read Earth's Children by Jean Auel? I > love the way she tells > about how Ayla first meets, raises, and ends up riding a > horse (bareback and > bridleless) and continues riding the mare that way for as > long as they are > together. I thought that was "Clan of the Cavebear" series. Susan in NV read my blog to see why I ride my horse in pink: http://desertduty.blogspot.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping / Control
> woman can't "control" a 600 lb pony. We talk about this sometimes when we > are out riding. Surely there was some destiny at work when early man and > horses came together. Did you ever read Earth's Children by Jean Auel? I love the way she tells about how Ayla first meets, raises, and ends up riding a horse (bareback and bridleless) and continues riding the mare that way for as long as they are together. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
How do you feel about the thought that control can come from the mind (maybe mind meeting mind) and that a bit may not be the best way to control a horse? I am not aiming this comment at anyone anywhere and I know it may be seen as parsing words, but I see the bit or the sidepull or the halter as a means for directing the horse, not controlling him. Let's face it. A 145 lb woman can't "control" a 600 lb pony. We talk about this sometimes when we are out riding. Surely there was some destiny at work when early man and horses came together. Otherwise we'd be riding buffalo or elk or mountain goats. There's something in the makeup of a horse that causes him to allow us to "control" or "direct" him. You can tell we take some sort of long rides. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
My goal is really to be able to ride this horse and feel like I have some control. How do you feel about the thought that control can come from the mind (maybe mind meeting mind) and that a bit may not be the best way to control a horse? I think it's in the training. If you endeavor to "teach" the horse and he "learns", then you have accomplished something that will be with him lifelong. If he goes to a trainer who forces him to "behave" by mechanical means, he's not "learning". Possible he's even gathering physical and mental strength to fight that type of constraint in the future. >>>He is really quite responsive with the snaffle, but he hates the dropped >>>noseband even though I am keeping it very loose. Why use it? Have you read up on dropped nosebands and the mechanics? Also, did you see the recent video about possible problems from nosebands around the under jaw from tooth roots? Maybe he has a problem in that area, or possibly he has suffered in the past from the noseband and it's a memory that he can't shake. >>>I would love to show this horse in a tolt class as he does that very >>>naturally and without shoes or weights. Oh, great! Can you get a video for us? Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
Hi Judy, My goal is really to be able to ride this horse and feel like I have some control. He is really quite responsive with the snaffle, but he hates the dropped noseband even though I am keeping it very loose. He is quite lippy and that is one of the things listed in the left brain extrovert horses. He is also very mischievous and sometimes pushy. He is a stallion also and is alot of horse. He drives me nuts on the ground and I am working on that, but after you get in the saddle he is very responsive to the bit and leg aids. I am just not as good with my hands as I need to be and I thought this bit giving pressure first on the nose would be kinder. I would love to show this horse in a tolt class as he does that very naturally and without shoes or weights. Thanks, Judi
RE: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
Hi Robyn, Actually the horse I am riding does very well in the snaffle. He just hates the dropped noseband so I think I will just go to a bridle with a cavesson. It just seemed like the description given with the cradle bridle was a kinder one, but maybe not. I thought giving pressure first on the nose rather than the mouth would be better. I am not a trainer or even someone with alot of knowledge about bits. I was using what I was told to use this horse. We did send him a few years ago for a few months for some training with Gudmar and he actually did a very good job with this horse. Now as far the the description for the left brain extrovert this horse meets a lot of the things they list about them like being mischievous and he is somewhat pushy and I am working on that issue. He is also very lippy and that is also an issue I am trying to work on. Otherwise when you get in the saddle he is very much down to business and is very responsive. This horse did have some things that happened to him before we got him that were not good. He was imported by a man when he was a yearling and then started under saddle when he was four but his owner got sick and died and he left this stallion to his sister and his mother and they were afraid of him and put him in a stall with no turn out time at all and this lasted for an extended period of time. We were told he was in a stall for about a year and when they would feed him they would make him get away from the door with a whip and I am not sure if this has caused his being so lippy. He is a beautiful horse and has a great pedigree. We have had him 5 years and he has been shown several times by Gudmar and has won several classes. He is 5-gaited and is a smoky black. I was just looking for something that he would like but would still give some control and frankly I am not the best with my hands and that is why I thought the cradle bridle would work for that reason. Thanks for your input. I knew I would get some really good feedback from the group. Thanks, Judi Qualls
RE: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
Hi Judi >>>I was wondering if anyone would comment on the Myler Cradle Bit that Parelli is promoting now? Personally I find the generalization that they make about what a left brain versus right brain horse would like is incredibly simplistic and sad to put such closed labels on horses. I would imagine the bit would give you a lot of control since it is basically a type of Boucher snaffle which gives pressure to the poll and also pressure on the nose. I don't know the weight of the reins they recommend but to me I think you would want to have some instruction to use it. How is your horse going in the bit you are using? What issues are you having that would make you think you need something else? Robyn AM
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
>> I was wondering if anyone would comment on the Myler Cradle Bit that >> Parelli is promoting now? I have a very left-brain extrovert horse and >> wondered how this bit would work for him? I am currently riding him in a >> loose ring snaffle with a very loose dropped noseband and would like to >> try this one and I wondered if anyone has tried this particular bit? > http://www.parelli.com/product.faces?catId=42 Judi, what's your goal? what are the problem areas? I'll include Parelli's definition of lef-brain extrovert: Description of Horsenality - Left Brain/Extrovert Characteristics of a "Left Brained" (LB) Extrovert include being mischievous, energetic, willful, disobedient, domineering, and may have a tendency to be mouthy, nip and bite. LB Extroverts are easy to train unless you are boring and repetitive in which case they act up and become unruly. LB horses are not afraid of people, they are self confident, brave, are relatively insensitive, playful, mouthy, exuberant and dominant. At minimum, these horses can be pushy and disobedient, and at worst they are aggressive. Keep in mind, these horses can be dangerous when they don't like or trust people. LB horses need you to become a lot more interesting. They need things to do. They are usually quite playful and are easily bored by riders who are fixated on perfecting a maneuver, and that's what makes them act up. Because they are so confident they are fast learners. Extroverted horses tend to be energetic, excitable and quick and need quick action from their riders and handlers. They need their frantic patterns to be effectively interrupted and their energy to be constructively directed. This makes them calmer and focuses their attention. Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
Hi, I was wondering if anyone would comment on the Myler Cradle Bit that Parelli is promoting now? I have a very left-brain extrovert horse and wondered how this bit would work for him? I am currently riding him in a loose ring snaffle with a very loose dropped noseband and would like to try this one and I wondered if anyone has tried this particular bit? It is very expensive on their site but you can find it cheaper elsewhere. Here is the link. http://www.parelli.com/product.faces?catId=42 Thanks, Judi Qualls
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
>I bought a bit for Tosca that she and I both really like. It is a > pony-sized sweet iron snaffle with a copper roller. I can't remember what > size. I can't find the website I bought it on There seems to be a few pony tack sites now: http://www.justforponies.com/ http://www.pamperedponytack.com/ http://www.ponytalestack.com http://www.partyponiesdiscounttack.com/ (pink bridle and bareback pad) and: http://www.chubbypony.com/ Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Bit Sizer/Bit shopping
I bought a bit for Tosca that she and I both really like. It is a pony-sized sweet iron snaffle with a copper roller. I can't remember what size. I can't find the website I bought it on - something like Krumm & Dunn (only that's not it). Anyone have any suggestions? Yrsa does not love the wqonderful vintage D-ring I've always liked for small-mouthed horses. That bit is a sad statement about the tb racing industry. A neighbor gave it to me, saying they used it to start colts at the track. It's probably a 5 1/4". Nancy
