Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:43:39AM -0700, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island wrote: We do a lot of cutting horses, cutting here is very very popular, and we use ST. Croix Extra EZ on their feet..but they do cutting every week just for fun..we have some real nice QH here on islandnone of them are barefoot because they pull double duty as trail riding horses as wellbut they like the way Sally does their feet.balanced, and they are not sore for 2 weeks after the trims. That would happen.cutting down into live sole makes a horse gimpy almost every time *grin* i was just complaining about my current farrier woes to a friend, and this brings me close to contemplating flying poor stjarni out to your island for his feet :) and with all the real-estate talk around here, don't you wish there were farrier information available for different areas the same way they talk about the school systems and all?? cheers, --vicka (whose pony's feet MIGHT be less painful now than the last little while, great ghu willin' and the crick don't rise) Well Property prices are coming down in Puna, it is affordable again.bring you and your ponies over. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
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On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 10:24:50AM -0700, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island wrote: Well Property prices are coming down in Puna, it is affordable again.bring you and your ponies over. any work for neuroscientists there? (she asked hopefully) ...there's this other thing called the husband and he is WAY more stubborn than any icey i've met yet. he has never lived more than ten miles from where we live now, and so far he continues to insist he never will. sigh. now you know i'm going to spend the rest of my free keyboard time today web-surfing real estate in puna ;) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Sep 20, 2007 at 10:24:50AM -0700, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island wrote: Well Property prices are coming down in Puna, it is affordable again.bring you and your ponies over. any work for neuroscientists there? (she asked hopefully) ...there's this other thing called the husband and he is WAY more stubborn than any icey i've met yet. he has never lived more than ten miles from where we live now, and so far he continues to insist he never will. sigh. now you know i'm going to spend the rest of my free keyboard time today web-surfing real estate in puna ;) --vicka Well, you can always have 2 homes, a lot of people do that, a part time winter home in Puna is nice :) Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question/Loin cloth shoeing?
A friend has promised to sent me photos, ladies. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question/Loin cloth shoeing?
On 9/18/07, Mic Rushen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:35:55 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: your thighand chaps just do not cover every little thing. Maybe it's such a little thing he doesn't have to worry about it? Mic HAHAHAHAHA showing off his shortcomings! -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know of a farrier with experience with Icelandics. Does it matter what breed the horse is when picking a farrier? How many breeds of horses in the USA? Karen Thomas, NC Well.I try this one.before Sally was a farrier, we just wanted someone who could balance the hoof...the cowboy shoers out here have this style where the hoof is at a 60% angle in the front, very very high heel and no toe. Needless to say there is a high rate of navicular in QH here. Now that Sally is a farrier, if someone calls for work...I ask them what disipline of riding do you do with your horse. That is more important.not bnecause we would do something weird or different, but because we do not carry shoes for Slidingor TB race plates...we carry a range of products, but I would not want to show up at a place only to find we do not carry that...nor is it where we want to go in our buisness..if the farrier can trim a balance hoof, carry the type of shoes that you want and will show up every 6-8 weeks...keep em! Of course there are other issues as wellbut those are a good starting place. Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
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Now that Sally is a farrier, if someone calls for work...I ask them what disipline of riding do you do with your horse. That is more important.not bnecause we would do something weird or different, but because we do not carry shoes for Slidingor TB race plates...we carry a range of products, but I would not want to show up at a place only to find we do not carry that...nor is it where we want to go in our buisness.. But what you describe is nothing related to the BREED the horse is, but is about the way the horse is USED. And one might also say that the disciplines you mention are not exactly normal, everyday pursuits for average owners. And, that the only reason those horses might (and I emphasize MIGHT) need different shoes, is because they are being used in relatively extreme ways... My question initially was to bring attention to a statement that bothers methat somehow Icelandic's need special farriers. I think the original quote was simply from Nancy, answering some question about farriers with Icelandic experience in a certain area. I didn't get the impression that Nancy was promoting special farriers for Icelandic's, so don't think I'm picking on you, Nancy. I'm not. I thought we were mostly past the belief that somehow, Icelandic's need special trims and special shoes just because they are Icelandic's, but the sight of that long hoof at the recent World Championships, the one with the hunk ripped out, makes me think we need to restate it all along. We don't need farriers with Icelandic experience, whatever that means. We need good, educated farriers with GOOD experience, who are concerned with the horse's long-term soundness and conformation - just like we need for any of our horses. Karen Thomas, NC
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I have never thought it did. I use the same farrier for my TWH, my Standardbred and my Icelandics that we've use for all the endurance horses. I love it if I can have Hunter shod about one week before a competition. He just floats over the trails. He's a little less floaty when his feet begin to grow out, making me wonder about the show ring tradition of long feet on TWH's. They must never go in the mountains. This farrier is quite, a character, by the way. Very tall and lean, long LONG pony tail. He lives with his wife and little girl off the grid in a very rural area and sometimes shows up at rides wearing just a loin cloth. Avert eyes time for me. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Farrier question
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And one might also say that the disciplines you mention are not exactly normal, everyday pursuits for average owners. Guess that depends on which part of the country you live in. Out here, reiners are pretty common. So not only should you not make generalizations about Icelandics, I don't think you should do the same about disciplines. And, that the only reason those horses might (and I emphasize MIGHT) need different shoes, is because they are being used in relatively extreme ways... I don't think reiners consider their discipline extreme. They do need special shoes for sliding to keep them from getting stuck and injured. Reining and sliding might be extreme and rare in North Carolina, but it is the rule rather than the exception, here in the real west. So I guess anyone could make inaccurate statements about that which they are not that familiar with. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Don't let your dream ride pass you by. Make it a reality with Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/index.html
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question
On 17/09/2007, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This farrier is quite, a character, by the way. Very tall and lean, long LONG pony tail. He lives with his wife and little girl off the grid in a very rural area and sometimes shows up at rides wearing just a loin cloth. Avert eyes time for me. I'll say. We have sort of an excentric living nearby, but to my knowledge he's always had his pants on. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question
On 9/17/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This farrier is quite, a character, by the way. Very tall and lean, long LONG pony tail. He lives with his wife and little girl off the grid in a very rural area and sometimes shows up at rides wearing just a loin cloth. Avert eyes time for me. Nancy its not gawani pony boy is it :) janice-- yipie tie yie yo
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Guess that depends on which part of the country you live in. Out here, reiners are pretty common. So not only should you not make generalizations about Icelandics, I don't think you should do the same about disciplines. Actually, Susan, I know some reiners in this area too, but they don't ALWAYS wear the special sliding plates. In fact, my cousin, who owns the trails that adjoin ours, and who we regularly ride with, has had two reiners to the World QH Congress. One is the bay QH that has been in a good many of our trail ride pictures. (But that was before he realized the damage from the futurity-type pressures - he gave up reining probably 12-15 years ago...because he DOES think it can be pretty extreme.) Sliding stops can be VERY hard on horse's joints. So, yep, while I'm no reining expert, not by a long shot, I do know a LITTLE something about reining horses and the long-term effects of a sport that can easily cross the edge into extreme. A lot of sports can cross that line... But my question wasn't about DISCIPLINES...my question was about BREEDS and farriers. Not how the horses are USED. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question
If only. Nancy
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I have never thought it did. I use the same farrier for my TWH, my Standardbred and my Icelandics that we've use for all the endurance horses. Same here. We've used the same farrier for 15+ years, and he's done my walkers, my app, my Arab, my QH's, and the Icelandic's. He trimmed the Arab when he was being a hunter pony, a dressage horse, and a trail horse - the same way the whole time. He'd never trimmed an Icelandic before he did mine, and he didn't have any trouble recognizing an Icelandic frog and an Icelandic sole - they really do look a lot like any other horse feet! :) I love it if I can have Hunter shod about one week before a competition. He just floats over the trails. He's a little less floaty when his feet begin to grow out, making me wonder about the show ring tradition of long feet on TWH's. They must never go in the mountains. The ones with the longest feet never leave the barn, except to go into an arena or show ring. But, even the ones with just plain ol' long feet usually can't go without shoes. A hoof that is out of balance is more likely to chip and break due to the mechanical stresses...reminding me of that stallion at the recent World Championships. Something must have been really awry for him to blow that much hoof on a groomed, flat track. He was a breeding stallion, right? I wouldn't want to breed to a stallion with questionable feet, unless I could prove that the questionable issues were man-made and not genetic. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Farrier question
--- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do know a LITTLE something about reining horses and the long-term effects of a sport that can easily cross the edge into extreme. A lot of sports can cross that line... The majority of people doing sports like this are doing it for hobby and fun and do not enter the higher ranks which are extreme, like extreme dressage, extreme cutting, extreme reining, extreme endurance. I just don't like your generalities and lumping of sports and disciplines. It is no different than the misconceptions of Icelandics that are perpetuated because ONE person said it, then gets debated here ad naseum. Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question
On 9/17/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This farrier is quite, a character, by the way. Very tall and lean, long LONG pony tail. He lives with his wife and little girl off the grid in a very rural area and sometimes shows up at rides wearing just a loin cloth. Avert eyes time for me. Nancy i'm sorry nancy, i just had to come back to this, I can't let it go... do you think there is any way you could possibly get a picture of this and post it to the list? I just have a feeling it would end up getting more internet hits than brittany spears showing she had on no panties. also, could you give us some insights into this mans personality? I mean, I have been trying to get a handle on what sort of individual would actually wear a loin cloth only on a ride and all i can think of is a. he is on a hallucinagenic, b. he thinks he is so hot he likes to show off things. c. he really thinks he is gawana pony boy. d. he wants to make his wife run off across the fields screaming and shrieking like daffy duck. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
RE: [IceHorses] Farrier question
--- susan cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And one might also say that the disciplines you mention are not exactly normal, everyday pursuits for average owners. Guess that depends on which part of the country you live in. Out here, reiners are pretty common. So not only should you not make generalizations about Icelandics, I don't think you should do the same about disciplines. We do a lot of cutting horses, cutting here is very very popular, and we use ST. Croix Extra EZ on their feet..but they do cutting every week just for fun..we have some real nice QH here on islandnone of them are barefoot because they pull double duty as trail riding horses as wellbut they like the way Sally does their feet.balanced, and they are not sore for 2 weeks after the trims. That would happen.cutting down into live sole makes a horse gimpy almost every time Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 11:43:39AM -0700, Skye and Sally ~Fire Island wrote: We do a lot of cutting horses, cutting here is very very popular, and we use ST. Croix Extra EZ on their feet..but they do cutting every week just for fun..we have some real nice QH here on islandnone of them are barefoot because they pull double duty as trail riding horses as wellbut they like the way Sally does their feet.balanced, and they are not sore for 2 weeks after the trims. That would happen.cutting down into live sole makes a horse gimpy almost every time *grin* i was just complaining about my current farrier woes to a friend, and this brings me close to contemplating flying poor stjarni out to your island for his feet :) and with all the real-estate talk around here, don't you wish there were farrier information available for different areas the same way they talk about the school systems and all?? cheers, --vicka (whose pony's feet MIGHT be less painful now than the last little while, great ghu willin' and the crick don't rise)
Re: [IceHorses] Farrier question/Loin cloth shoeing?
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This farrier is quite, a character, by the way. Very tall and lean, long LONG pony tail. He lives with his wife and little girl off the grid in a very rural area and sometimes shows up at rides wearing just a loin cloth. Avert eyes time for me. Nancy Wow! And Sally gets questions because she does not wear shoes with steel toes.some farriers here wear slippers.Now does he shoe in a loin cloth, cuz at a certain point the nail is s close to your thighand chaps just do not cover every little thing. We are off to shoe today in Waiki'i, Waimea and Kalopa area, some of our favorite clients, as our little Jacks get to get out and play, and its mostly trims and fronts only..I will be wearing Jeans and and button down shirt, Sally will not be wearing a loin cloth, she saves that for home shoeing ;) Skye Fire Island Farms Breeding Quality Icelandic Trail Horses Certified Farrier Services 'Natural Balance' Shoeing and Trimming. Founder, Navicular options for your horse. 808-640-6080
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Janice, I am working on finding you a picture of Dennis, the farrier. He has a bumper sticker on his truck that says Put some pink in your cheeks. Ride nude. The sign on the side says Professinal (his spelling) Horse Shoer since 1985. He will be here tomorrow to trim Twist and Yrsa, but if he starts taking his clothes off, I will run screaming to the house. Nancy
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Sounds like your farrier's wife is not only beautiful but very wise. Nice goes a lot farther than handsome any day. Our daughter married the most gorgeous guy when she was 18. He was so handsome that women would stop dead to look at him. He turned out to be a first class creep with some very serious issues. As she says, You get used to the way they look. His third wife just divorced him. He lost his teaching certificate and in addition to the three ex-wives, he has kids strewn all over two counties. He was pretty, but he wasn't nice. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Farrier question/Loin cloth shoeing?
..Now does he shoe in a loin cloth, cuz at a certain point the nail is s close to your thighand chaps just do not cover every little thing. I was thinking the same thing Skye! Cherie
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 02:22:49PM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: Sounds like your farrier's wife is not only beautiful but very wise. Nice goes a lot farther than handsome any day. *nod* beauty's skin-deep, ugly goes to the bone, as they say. that said, i confess i picked up my husband for his fairy-prince beauty. but the fact that he's stuck by my short fuzzy self for so long is what convinces me of the goodness of his heart. --vicka (getting a mite moony; seventh anniversary in two weeks!!) ps. they cancelled the icelandics men's retreat. i cannot tell you how disappointed i am, largely b/c it will likely delay our ever finding daniel the right pony for him, and the rides we could do together
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The sign on the side says Professinal (his spelling) Horse Shoer since 1985. Is he a good farrier? Spelling doesn't matter to me if he can do a good job with the feet! He will be here tomorrow to trim Twist and Yrsa, but if he starts taking his clothes off, I will run screaming to the house. Janice just wants you to aim the camera over your shoulder as you head for the house. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.487 / Virus Database: 269.13.21/1012 - Release Date: 9/16/2007 6:32 PM
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--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds like your farrier's wife is not only beautiful but very wise. Nice goes a lot farther than handsome any day. That's for sure! I used to be embarrassed to introduce people to my husband because he is truly obese - like 350lbs and 5'7. But I don't care anymore what people think about him! He takes care of me and lets me do horsey things and fully supports my horsey habit. And we will celebrate 20 years married this November 15 (or December 7 depending on which date, wedding date or legal date!). Susan in NV Nevermore Ranch http://users.oasisol.com/nevermore/ Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
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I love a big ol fat man myself :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
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On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 04:12:25PM -0700, susan cooper wrote: That's for sure! I used to be embarrassed to introduce people to my husband because he is truly obese - like 350lbs and 5'7. But I don't care anymore what people think about him! i think he sounds like a wonderful husband, and i'm glad he has a wife who appreciates him. it occurs to me writing this that many folks would find my husband -- who is VERY THIN, 6'2 and 135# -- just as unacceptable in his body type as your husband in his. silly, shallow folks. happy 20th to you and yours! --vicka
