Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort/now new homes
Tosca stays out with her band of horses 24/7, but Hunter, part of the same group, comes in for the night to a large pen and shelter. He requires supplemental feeding or he gets too thin, so I go up in the late afternoon and put him up with his feed, then go back again in the morning and feed him again. Then about 7:30 the barn girl turns him out for grass and hay. He just needs a different diet from his buddies. That sounds like what we're doing with 28-year-old Thunder now. He's always been a moderately easy keeper, out 24x7 with the herd, but no more. His normal pasture is adjacent to my grassy riding ring, so every night we put him in the ring, where he can take his own sweet time eating his senior feed, and can eat all the lush grass he can hold overnight. During the day, he's back out with his senior buddies, Joe and Holly. There's grass in their pasture too, plus some supplemental hay, but he seems to be doing better with the extra grass and plenty of relaxed time. He's still on the thin side compared to where he used to be, but not the bone-rack he was a few weeks ago. BTW, I suspect that Thunder has Cushing's now - I think most older horses eventually get it - but I still have him on lush grass. I know that's counter to the going wisdom, but this worked well with Sundance in his final couple of years, and he never re-foundered. I think there's a point with Cushing's where the tendency to lose weight outdoes the risk for laminitis. I think Thunder has passed that point now - I have to keep weight on him somehow. I hope he doesn't founder, but frankly, at this point, it's a risk I'm willing to take. I hate for him to waste away like he was doing, and if he should founder, I'll put him down, and know he went out happy until the end. I'm not recommending this to everyone, but I have a strong gut feeling this is the right thing to do for Thunder. I want him as happy and healthy as possible during his final days. Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Overall, I think we should leave them alone to eat, either in the herd with their buddies if they are just sharing hay, or totally separately, if everyone isn't getting the same rations. Tosca stays out with her band of horses 24/7, but Hunter, part of the same group, comes in for the night to a large pen and shelter. He requires supplemental feeding or he gets too thin, so I go up in the late afternoon and put him up with his feed, then go back again in the morning and feed him again. Then about 7:30 the barn girl turns him out for grass and hay. He just needs a different diet from his buddies. Nancy IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>>> Do you know, I make it a practice not to bother horses when they are >>> eating. I allow that to be a time just for them and their food. I think that's best too. Horses do a lot for us, but I think they deserve certain times to be left alone, and eating should be one of those times. If I have a horse with special feeding needs such that it takes him longer to eat, I'll separate him/her from the herd at feeding time (in a stall, private paddock, etc.) until he/she can finish undisturbed. I don't like my horses bullying each other TOO MUCH at meal time, but I don't like to interfere with them either. They have certain eating rituals just like we do, and I tend to leave them alone to be horses at meal time. Overall, I think we should leave them alone to eat, either in the herd with their buddies if they are just sharing hay, or totally separately, if everyone isn't getting the same rations. It's much easier if the horses have free access to pasture and/or hay, with little-to-no grain/pellets - there's no strict mealtime other than the first few minutes when the hay is just put out and is a novelty. Karen Thomas, NC IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I've also had two horses that loved to be brushed but were cranky about being brushed while they were eating. Do you know, I make it a practice not to bother horses when they are eating. I allow that to be a time just for them and their food. Nancy IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Nancy, you're right some horses are way more sensitive to different grooming tools or amounts of pressure. My boss's thin-skinned Belgian only likes very soft brushes. I've also had two horses that loved to be brushed but were cranky about being brushed while they were eating. Cherie No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.13/1377 - Release Date: 4/14/2008 9:26 AM IceHorses Community for Photos and Videos: http://kickapps.com/icehorses "The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > You're so smart, Janice. I've had Hunter 3 years and just figured out > Saturday that he really hates a hard stream of water (even nicely warm) but > tolerates the mist. I felt pretty stupid. > > Nancy > well horses here, go in ecstasy over a bath. if a horse hates a bath, when they come here, it only takes one or two rides in horrible heat and humidity before they begin to catch on that its the most wonderful thing in the world, a cool water rinse off of all the sweat and relief from the heat and bugs. So when a horse wont stand for it, I know something's wrong! When Tivar came here he hated a bath and would just dance like crazy trying to avoid the water spray, so I worked on desinsitization, advance retreat, it worked somewhat, but then my nozzle broke and i got a new one and it had a "bubbler" option and when I put it on that he started liking his baths haha so I aint THAT smart :) Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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So is Tivar, but not so bad, he actually enjoys > the mars coat comb brushing but hates a hard stream of water hitting > him, I have to put the hose nozzle on a mild spray. You're so smart, Janice. I've had Hunter 3 years and just figured out Saturday that he really hates a hard stream of water (even nicely warm) but tolerates the mist. I felt pretty stupid. Nancy
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On 4/14/08, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > . He tends to move away from me when I try to groom him. > > Although I don not expect my horses to stand for grooming unrestrained, I > have also noticed that some have a different tolerance for grooming tools. boy aint that the truth nancy! when I first met jaspar, he was at cross ties and I was petting him and sorta massaging him and his skin would shiver, and the man who owned him walked by and said "watch out for that one, he'll kick if you touch his sides", he has never kicked at me, but I know he cannot STAND a hard brush. He will jump away like crazy if a brush is stiff. He in fact enjoys brushing ONLY with a face brush or I have this rubber soft one I got from Jeffers... I read that a selenium deficiency causes "skin sensitivity" and I think that is what he had when he came to me. Now he is much improved but still very sensitive. So is Tivar, but not so bad, he actually enjoys the mars coat comb brushing but hates a hard stream of water hitting him, I have to put the hose nozzle on a mild spray. Janice-- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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. He tends to move away from me when I try to groom him. Although I don not expect my horses to stand for grooming unrestrained, I have also noticed that some have a different tolerance for grooming tools. Hunter is at the far outside edge of tolerance. He likes a flat rubber curry and a face brush on his body. He also prefers that I slow down my strokes. And I'm more inclined to vigorous brushing. He's taught me that for him, that's not fun. Nancy
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>>> My horses are handled, brushed and trained/expected to behave in a certain >>> way at least twice a day. Even mellow, trusty old, lovable Falki is not >>> exactly the same horse here that he was at Karen's. At first glance, it >>> would appear that Falki is nervous and doesn't like attention. He gets a >>> bit jumpy when Michael gets out the rake, but he's getting used to it. >>> He's >>> not crazy about all the grooming that goes on twice a day. Now, I don't >>> groom him completely twice a day, but he is messed with, at least getting >>> the mud off his face and some currying of muddy areas twice a day. He >>> tends >>> to move away from me when I try to groom him. Now granted, I expect my >>> horses to stand unrestrained for grooming. He went from being part of a >>> big herd and most probably just getting brushed occasionally to maybe more >>> attention than he wants. Like with Gloi, I am training him to stand still >>> for grooming and he is doing well. Some horses just don't like to be >>> brushed as much as others. Anna, this is very interesting. Yes, Falki was in a bigger herd here just before he left for your place, but he wasn't always in a bigger herd. I believe that the herd he was born into and where lived for his first few years wasn't very big. Also, he came here from a huge herd, much bigger than even what I have now, and when he arrived, I was keeping my horses in several small herds in separate pastures. For the first few weeks (months?) he was here, he was in a pasture with just two other geldings, then we added another horse or two, and at times, he lived with as many as 8-10 other horses here. (In contrast, I suspect he lived with 30-50+ geldings at the Icelandic Horse Farm, probably adjoining a pasture with a similar number of mares...?) He's lived in huge herds, very small herds, and medium herds, so I wonder if that's much of an issue for him. There were periods here where Falki was ridden almost daily, and of course, he was groomed before each ride. Sometimes I tie my horses to be groomed, but I also often groom them standing loose in the stall. One of my friends who rides with me often always grooms her horses loose, and she also always picked Falki to ride when she came here, so that's how she groomed him. On the other hand, when my then-7-year-old nephew started riding Falki for lessons, we crossed tied him while Jonathan groomed him - one less thing to distract a 7-year-old. He was used to being groomed without restraint - and with. If I could suggest something, I'd suggest that since Falki has for some reason gotten into a cycle where he doesn't like to be brushed, then don't groom him for a while - certainly no more than absolutely necessary. I know that will be tough on Michael, the hairdresser, but it won't hurt Falki to go between brushings for a few days - or even longer - if Falki needs a little space to break this cycle. (If Michael has a serious need to brush something - tell him to go work on one of your Yorkies!) When you start riding Falki, sure, he'll NEED to be brushed, at least under the saddle, girth and bridle, but you can address that then. One thing that we always do when we get a new horse is to make sure they get as much "downtime" as they need. To me, "downtime" has a different definition for each horse. For some, it may mean no riding for a while, but others, I've ridden lightly within a week or two of their arrival - it all depended on the reaction of the given horse. For some others, it may mean limited interaction with people as they adjust to herd life - never ignoring them, but giving them as much space and time as they need. I handle all of them as needed during that time, but only in ways they seem to enjoy - barring any medical emergency, that is - and I do it casually. And I just "hang out" with them a LOT, not really doing anything, no goals, but letting them get to know me on their terms, while we get to know them. If they don't like something, or seem worried/nervous about something, I won't do it much (if any) at first, then gradually add in that activity as they become comfortable with it - and with us. Often times, the resistance simply goes away without any "training" as they become used to our routine and our mannerisms.For Tivar, that meant giving him plenty of time to learn that we weren't going to "train" him - at least not in the formal, rigid way he'd come to resent. (In this case, I use "training" in a VERY different sense than "teaching.") For Angie/Cali, it meant not making any sudden moves around her for a while, then gradually escalating our actions back to normal activities. Melnir had gotten out of his pasture and into a fight not long before we got him, and he had to have stitches inside his nose - he was resistant to having his head/nose touched/handled for a while and we respected that, GRADUALLY getting
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On 13/04/2008, Anna Hopkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now granted, I expect my horses to stand unrestrained for grooming. Yes, here too. Though once in a while I do tie them just to give them the experience of being tied...because sometimes in certain situations they MUST know how to stand tied quietly. Yesterday, I did some initial sheath/udder cleaning with 'WetOnes" baby wipes and everyone stood nicely except for that firey little Peppy. I'll need help with him. Someone needs to distract him with treats. Oddly...he's the only one that will drop for me. I guess he expects dinner and a movie first ;) Wanda
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> > I guess what I'm saying is pay attention to all the changes that your > new horse is going thru and don't label them with negative attributes We use our irrigated farm land here for cutting hay instead of pasturing the horses , so horses and ponies here are on dry lot - four acres of it, but still dry lot. Last summer I decided to move Twist, who has had multiple owners, about a mile up the road to Creekside, where he would have green grass, beautiful white fencing and pastoral views. He was so depressed that he practically "checked out", even though I was there every day. At the end of summer, we moved him home and he was a different horse. His eyes was bright. His step was quick (well, quicker) and he practically smiled. Obviously I didn't know what would make Twist a happy horse. He could do without grazing and pretty scenery if he could just feel like he finally had a permanent home. He will not be leaving again. Nancy
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On Sat, Apr 12, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Nancy Sturm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or even a horse with no issues. I have come to believe it is really hard > for a horse to change owners and barns Nancy, you are so right. I think the adjustment period for a sensitive horse to a new home can vary so much and be responsible for some people to think that they have been 'swindled' or sold a 'bad horse'. People get a new horse and expect it to be what they expected it be. Yet here is a horse that has to get comfortable/confident with a new herd, new surroundings and new people. Even if the horse, at its previous home had people confidence, herd confidence and thing confidence now he is in a whole new set of surroundings, horses, people, routines. The horse may be stoic and not look nervous or unsure, but he probably is. Our barn/paddock area is kind of in the middle of a wooded hilly area. The horses have trails thru the woods to get to the open pasture, but still surrounded by woods. A pretty different environment for most horses. My horses are handled, brushed and trained/expected to behave in a certain way at least twice a day. Even mellow, trusty old, lovable Falki is not exactly the same horse here that he was at Karen's. At first glance, it would appear that Falki is nervous and doesn't like attention. He gets a bit jumpy when Michael gets out the rake, but he's getting used to it. He's not crazy about all the grooming that goes on twice a day. Now, I don't groom him completely twice a day, but he is messed with, at least getting the mud off his face and some currying of muddy areas twice a day. He tends to move away from me when I try to groom him. Now granted, I expect my horses to stand unrestrained for grooming. He went from being part of a big herd and most probably just getting brushed occasionally to maybe more attention than he wants. Like with Gloi, I am training him to stand still for grooming and he is doing well. Some horses just don't like to be brushed as much as others. Gloi likes it more now than he did. It does help to find their favorite spots to be scratched. Falki loves clicker training and being with me and things are going great, but I like to take things slow and let the horse get used to his new person. Going from a larger herd where he has a bigger choice of friends to go to 'forced' choice of friends has to be an adjustment too. Falki and Gloi seem to be getting on great. I do see them run and play, but Falki seems to enjoy sharing the haypile more with Cassie than either going to his own pile or sharing with Gloi. I guess what I'm saying is pay attention to all the changes that your new horse is going thru and don't label them with negative attributes due to a reaction here or there that may be different that you were told or experienced. Take time to get to know your horse and let him get to know you, his environment, herdmates. Use gentle reassurances instead of assuming he's being bad and needs aggressive training. Even a little TTouch goes a long way to help you form a bond/trust with your new horse. -- Anna Southern Ohio
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Cali is twelve. Thanks! Jacki
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When he was first trained Jo did > "free" lunging with him and ran alongside him and he loved it. They > would go over obstacles and do all kinds of things and he was so > proud! > > Ann > yes, when i took him to our sheriffs posse certification practice, he started out acting casual, like on a trail ride, then he caught on really quick that it wasnt casual at all. We would have to stand in a long line a horse length apart and march forward in unison the length of the arena with police sirens blaring then stand with his nose to the barricade while people on the other side waved arms and yelled and when he danced I would take him right back there and after about a half hour he seemed like he got really into it, that this was some special deal where he had to behave in some controlled manner and he started being very in tune with all my cues and seemed very proud of himself when I would praise him. And when we ride with nutty horses and they go berserk :) bolt or buck etc and he remains calm I praise praise praise and he acts so mature and proud like "I am good and they are bad" haha, so I know he likes training. But my fox was never roundpenned in his life til I did it and he immediately launched into a frantic zombie thing and would not stop til I forced him and he was so upset... just some horses arent cut out for it I think! Did you ever ride tivar bareback ann? He didnt seem to want me on him bareback. I took him to the mounting block and he acted upset. I wondered why... maybe he can feel too much? Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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I always figured he needed to be someone's very special horse or only horse and he was not getting that here. It has worked with Janice because I think he knows he is her #1 riding horse. He does not want others riding him. I have no doubt that Tivar is very happy with his life now, and that he and Janice are a match made in heaven. But, when he came back here, I rode him briefly as did Shirley, just for "old time's sake." He was a doll for both of us, very relaxed and sweet. I think MOST horses prefer to have one main rider, or at least not to have too many different riders, but I think there was more to what was going on with Tivar than just wanting one single rider. Either he remembered us as non-threatening friends from his past, or we didn't give off the same vibes as some other people...I don't know. >>> He did not like training, it was not always done well for him. I do not >>> know about the lunging except that he hated it so I did not do it. He >>> would go like Karen said fast around while gritting his teeth. perhaps >>> he had that done in training. When he was first trained Jo did "free" >>> lunging with him and ran alongside him and he loved it. They would go >>> over obstacles and do all kinds of things and he was so proud! Once he relaxed here, he was one of the most eager students I've ever met. He seemed to relish attention and learning as much as any horse I've known, in the same league with my brilliant Sina and Bjola. I think there's a lesson to be learned here... many - most? - horses like to learn, some even love it, but probably most horses don't particularly care for force-fed "training." Karen Thomas, NC
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. He did not WANT her on him. Was an eye opener > as far as how far he has come. I think if he changed hands again, a > certain type person, and I have no idea really what sets it off with > him, he would revert. I just feel that in my heart after seeing him It is interesting, Tivar never ever bucked with me but did with other people. He used to be a horse anyone could ride and he enjoyed it. Then when he changed, he really got grumpy and he bucked. ( ulcers maybe) I always figured he needed to be someone's very special horse or only horse and he was not getting that here. It has worked with Janice because I think he knows he is her #1 riding horse. He does not want others riding him. He did not like training, it was not always done well for him. I do not know about the lunging except that he hated it so I did not do it. He would go like Karen said fast around while gritting his teeth. perhaps he had that done in training. When he was first trained Jo did "free" lunging with him and ran alongside him and he loved it. They would go over obstacles and do all kinds of things and he was so proud! Ann
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Cali is so darn cute!! How old is she? Congratulations! Raven Lucy & Molly, the Girl Doggies Huginn & Dixie Chick, the Back Behind the Barn Ponies Maggie Rose, the cat who makes me sneeze http://www.myspace.com/iceponygoddess Respect ALL Earthlings. We are all animals of this planet. We are all creatures.
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Also, it makes it where a horse with issues just gets > passed from one home to the other and gets crazier and crazier with > more issues each time. Or even a horse with no issues. I have come to believe it is really hard for a horse to change owners and barns and I try very hard not to sell any horse. I did sell Tali, the sweet Arab I got hurt on, to our grandson, thinking he would be with them forever. Now Gabe is about to graduate from high school and thinking of selling him. I just hate the idea that he will start going from owner to owner. I count eight owners for Twist in 10 years. And that's only the ones I know of. I'm not sure of Hunter's history, but I can just about guarantee he has one) . The woman I bought him from had him 11 months and he had been for sale for 10 of them. Nancy
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what gets me about rehabs, project horses, is when a person pays a lot of money for a renegade horse, and then finds out its hopeless, and then wants to get rid of them, so they put them up for sale at the same that they paid, and were ripped off, thus perpetuating the rip off forever. Also, it makes it where a horse with issues just gets passed from one home to the other and gets crazier and crazier with more issues each time. So then, when a horse needs rehabbing or fixing, someone who wants to help can maybe pay shipping, but not shipping PLUS thousands of dollars for a known renegade, and the renegade never gets fixed you know?? So bless people like Ann, Karen etc who are willing to take a financial loss to help a horse find a good home. Ann had a lot of money in Tivar, training etc., Karen paid for shipping, (i think) ulcer treatments, and training for him, each took a loss so I could have him. I could offer a great home, but no operating $$ for shipping etc. I went and got him. But Karen knows if I ever have trouble taing care of him, if he ever develops a chronic ulcer problem or something again, I am not a person who can affords thousands a year on one horse for medical care, it would make my other horses suffer. If Ann had flat out given Tivar directly to me and paid shipping and everything, it would not have worked out. I am a person who isnt good at working thru huge issues. I did once, with jaspar, and it took everything I had and I just cant do it anymore. But I am a person who once a horse has a fix, I can then ride him tons of trail miles to get him into a whole new mindset, a new life and trust. BUT. As for Baldur, please be careful. just because he is fixed doesnt mean he will stay that way with a new family. I thought Tvar was totally deadbroke fixed, and I let my daughter ride him. She has had lessons, is a good little rider, but she told me later she was afraid of him? Maybe, I dont know what happened, i was there the whole time, he started out ok but the further she rode him from the barn, the more agitated he became, tail swishing, balking, wanting to turn back--- things he NEVER does with me... then when she did turn him back he took off fast and when she tried to stop him he went into bucking. Not hard enough to throw her but I was right there hollering at him and caught him. He did not WANT her on him. Was an eye opener as far as how far he has come. I think if he changed hands again, a certain type person, and I have no idea really what sets it off with him, he would revert. I just feel that in my heart after seeing him with her. Also he can be very very grumpy and cantankerous and I scold him and give him a little light slap on the neck and he will lick and chew but flatten ears. I think if he didnt feel I was fair, and didnt know he was being deliberately bad, he would try and hurt me. which isnt to say also, he could find the right home with the right person... whatever that is to him...jmo. Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
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On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Jacki Edens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, it's decided. I've found the perfect companion for Svort and 2nd > riding horse for me. Yay!!! I'm so excited for you!! V
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Congratulations Jacki! May you find a "diamond in the rehab" there like Janice did. -- Renee M. in Michigan
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>>> I was thinking we could have called her "Gidget" Gidget and Tab - how cute! Karen Thomas, NC
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I was thinking we could have called her "Gidget"
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>>> Congratulations! What a wonderful picture. Cali was fairly wary of folks when she first got here, but she WANTS to be a friendly, cuddly horse. She really warmed up to Jacki, as the picture shows. I think she's decided that she'd like to have her own person. Karen Thomas, NC
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
California Girl and Tab Hunter, what is there abut windgait that produces these beach movie types... Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
oh Jacki that is so wonderful! I was praying for this outcome! In this pic you look so in love, both of you!! Janice -- even good horses have bad days sometimes.
Re: [IceHorses] A new friend for Svort
>>>with her beautiful color and fluffy blonde mane, Angie reminded us of a >>>surfer girl... hence "California Girl" aka Cali. Congratulations, Jacki! This is superb! And good choice on the name... she is originally from California, so it fits. Here's her song: http://iceryder.blogspot.com/2008/04/calis-song.html Judy http://iceryder.net http://clickryder.com
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Congratulations! What a wonderful picture. Nancy
