Re: [Ilugc] Forking of Debian
This site (http://boycottsystemd.org/) gives a list of points against systemd. A good discussion over the points both for and against can be found here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8353006) second link was wrong sorry https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7639170 -- fixed -- A. Narendiran (The worst way to waste your time is to never waste it.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Forking of Debian
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:35 PM, MohanR mohan...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-11-25 at 11:21 +0530, Narendiran wrote: systemd in its present form is an umbrella project which aims to collect everything related to init system and couple them with well defined api. Thats exactly the problem, why on earth an init system need to be an umbrella project. Because it makes sense to group a bunch of different programs/scripts doing related things together and coordinate the effort. Aaahh!! cut-short please!! dont generalize. I too know the usefulness systemd provides. But answer me these couple of questions? 1) If I want to change my hostname dynamically, why I need to contact pid-1 to change it? do you have a seperate systemd-hostnamed running in your pc? If I need to configure hostname, I will use hostnamectl(http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/hostnamectl.html), which will in turn run hostnamed(http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/hostnamed/). The only systemd process running in my pc as I write this are these ... 1 systemd 158 systemd-journal 179 systemd-udevd 349 systemd-logind 729 systemd I don't need systemd-hostnamed as a daemon running in my background unnecessarily, it will spawn and do the job when required, and die. And it will not run as pid1. 2) if I want to change my locale dynamically, why I need to contact pid-1 to change it? is there any systemd-localed running in your pc? If I need to change locale, I will use localectl(http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/localectl.html) which is a client to the daemon localed(http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd-localed.service.html). this also will not run as pid1. People hate systemd because it introduces too many radical changes, some people don't like change. You forget that there are people who are willing to experiment with new things but don't like morans go and fix something which is not broken (in the case of syslog). You can call the people who are actually building things and writing code moron. The truth is large distributions and companies adopting this fix for something which is not broken. All we wanted is a modern init system because sysvinit is no longer relevent. But what we got is an umbrella project aims to become the middle layer for linux which forgets to KISS!! If you are unhappy, you can continue to use your old init scripts and legacy methods. No one is stopping you. systemd's advantages are far greater compared to its disadvantages. KISS(Keep it simple, stupid) principle can be interpretted in different ways. Anything that follows KISS can be argued against it by looking at it from different angles. I can say that systemd follows KISS by its modular design. KDBUS is coming, and yes systemd will have tighter integration with kernel. Supporting every available legacy baggage should never be an excuse for hindering modern design and development. -- A. Narendiran (The worst way to waste your time is to never waste it.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Forking of Debian
On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 9:34 PM, MohanR mohan...@gmail.com wrote: who is spawning the job? isn't it pid-1? If you say no, then it means you don't know how the activation works (look at /usr/share/dbus-1/systemd-service/org.freedesktop.hostname1.service). If you say yes, but the actual job is running as another pid, then what is the point of pid-1 brokering? isn't dbus suppose to spawn the child instead of pid-1? Both yes and no. I agree that PID 1 here is spawning the process. DBUS is a message bus for interprocess communication and it should stay that way. It SHOULD NOT do service mangement. What you want is another daemon running which should do service management. Whether systemd PID 1 should do this or not is debatable and this has very good arguments on both sides (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8353006). Here is a list of systemd processes running on my PC I mentioned earlier. 1 systemd 158 systemd-journal 179 systemd-udevd 349 systemd-logind 729 systemd If you note here, there are 2 systemd instances, PID 1 and PID 729. PID 729 is a systemd instance running under user session. This also can start and stop services (not all). So not all services have to be started by PID 1. The problem here is, you never know what kind of data you will receive in pid-1 through dbus requests before forking the child. This is what I say exposing pid-1. If someone exploit here (before spawning the child), it will lead them to other pid-1 resources. Thats why people are saying init should not be doing all these work. demons are there to do these work. even if daemons get compromised, they will not provide other important resources. The systemd's dbus API is here (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/dbus/). Some of the security related aspects are mentioned here. Every architecture has its ups and downs. systemd's solves a whole lot of problems and causes very few. Yes, systemd PID 1 does service management and takes requests through dbus. Whether it is good or bad is up for debate. Saying something like Everything is PID1, so its crap is not only unfair and a gross misrepresentation, but quite literally untrue. Don't say SElinux is integrated with systemd so there is no way to exploit systemd. SElinux will not help in this situation. I don't use or know anything about SElinux or its relationship with systemd. Can you provide some references? [1] all are stupid arguments assuming that whoever ask question against systemd are not appreciating its features, they don't know about it's design and they are trolls from reddit.com/r/[a-zA-Z0-9]*/*. Why do you have to bring reddit into this? Your post which started arguments between you and me says people bashing systemd have very little technical information, do you still think people arguing against systemd don't know how it works? My original statement was Most of the people bashing systemd are people with very little technical information about the project. I did not say everyone who speaks against is like that. There are people who know what they are talking about, people like theses guys (http://uselessd.darknedgy.net/), who would go to lengths to strip systemd of its undesired functionality. But most of the other people I have seen on online forums are just haters. -- A. Narendiran (The worst way to waste your time is to never waste it.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Forking of Debian
On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 6:31 PM, MohanR mohan...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-11-20 at 11:59 +0530, Narendiran wrote: Most of the people bashing systemd are people with very little technical information about the project. Nonsense!! It has its own design flaw. I'm against everything pid-1 crap!! and merging udev with systemd is pure political just to make life difficult for non systemd init systems. This is exactly what I was talking about when I said most people bashing it have very little technical information about the project. First of all, not everything is pid-1, definitely not on my pc. Secondly systemd is not one big monolithic software which swallows everything related to init system. Before systemd everything was a bunch of scripts mildly aware of each other. systemd in its present form is an umbrella project which aims to collect everything related to init system and couple them with well defined api. If you don't like something you can disable it and implement your version of it. All you have to do is implement the required api. While there are good arguments for and against systemd, many are simply not true anymore. Most of the arguments I have seen online boil down to these, it breaks the way I have been doing it for the past 20 years, Redhat is evil, Its made by lennart poettering etc. It is true that there was some corporate politics involved, things were especially nasty in the debian camp and caused a lot of broken hearts. But in the end systemd won not because of redhat's iron fist but due to its superiority. This site (http://boycottsystemd.org/) gives a list of points against systemd. A good discussion over the points both for and against can be found here (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8353006) But it doesn't mean it is not on par with other init systems. Infact, it is the best when it comes to non-blocking parallel startup. upstart or openrc can't compete with it. Then, there is systemd-nspawn which is one hell of a replacement for any chroot implementation. It uses everything kernel offers (pid namespaces, networking namespaces, cgroups) to make a os level virtualization. Supporting multiple init systems for every upper layer components (GUI Environments) is not just an easy task. Thats what debian package maintainers would have felt and thats why they would have voted for systemd. It is true, gnome requires logind as dependency. There are some discussions and explorations in KDE camp, but NO concrete decisions about systemd based sessions yet. We can only wait and see after KDE 5 settles down. For a fun/stupid storytelling on debian systemd case check this site(http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57684). People just hate systemd because it does what a init system doesn't need to do, like producing binary logs instead of text, not allowing your OS to produce coredumps by default (I know how freebsd guy will say Seriously!!?? don't touch my /etc/rc.local or I'll kill you!!) People hate systemd because it introduces too many radical changes, some people don't like change. -- A. Narendiran (The worst way to waste your time is to never waste it.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Forking of Debian
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 9:49 PM, Shrayas rajagopal shray...@gmail.com wrote: I'm seeing a somewhat gradual decline in all things debian also. Another thing probably to note is one of the core developers of I think the debian installer - Joey Hess, just quit the project and moved on as well. Four people in Debian resigned over the last two weeks from various duties. Including Ian jackson, the man leading the case against systemd. I'm interested to see where this will end up. Maybe someone can talk about this and related problems in the next ILUGC meet This ended yesterday, the debian developers overwhelmingly support systemd. https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/11/msg00891.html A lot of distros switched to debian, ARCH did it long back, debian made long and careful evaluation of alternatives and is switching. Ubuntu also announced it will switch to systemd as soon as debian made its choice. Most of the people bashing systemd are people with very little technical information about the project. -- A. Narendiran (The worst way to waste your time is to never waste it.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Fwd: [FSFTN] Groupon trying to rob GNOME's trademark
On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Karthikeyan A K 77mi...@gmail.com wrote: Mail your friends and tell them not to use groupon. On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 4:58 PM, Shrayas rajagopal shray...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: Please raise your concern, voice against this and SAVE GNOME. This is crazy :/ I donated though. Spreading the news also Some good news here. They decided to drop their trademark application for Gnome. https://engineering.groupon.com/2014/misc/gnome-foundation-and-groupon-product-names/ -- A. Narendiran (The worst way to waste your time is to never waste it.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
[Ilugc] Microsoft to open source dot net and bring it to linux.
http://news.microsoft.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-takes-net-open-source-and-cross-platform-adds-new-development-capabilities-with-visual-studio-2015-net-2015-and-visual-studio-online/ https://github.com/Microsoft/dotnet -- A. Narendiran (The worst way to waste your time is to never waste it.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] [[HELP]] Alternate to Compiz and Xorg
On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:49 AM, sahil साहिल scorpionking.sa...@gmail.com wrote: My laptop (Core2Duo, 4GB RAM) is damn slow just because 'compiz' and 'Xorg' are taking so much CPU %age (when I run 'top' command). I moved to 'fluxbox' but it was so difficult for me to work on that. So, reverted to Ubuntu unity desktop again. Is there anyway to improve my CPU usage so that I can work efficiently? I know, my laptop is quite old but for now I don't have nay other alternative. Please guide me. Xorg is needed, that is what provides the graphical environment. You cannot do without it (yet). Compiz generally puts strain on your resources, and all it does additionally is provide fancy desktop effects. You can do without it and greatly improve performance. Big desktop environments like gnome, kde, unity try to provide desktop effects, eye candy and high integration between system components. These are to be avoided if you want lightweight system. Tiling window managers are lightweight but they have a keyboard oriented workflow and involve a learning curve. It is not suitable for everyone. Fluxbox, Openbox etc are window managers, and barely more than a window manager. They are lightweight but don't provide integrated desktop. You will need to configure a lot of thing manually. You can try lightweight desktops such as XFCE or LXDE. Ubuntu has a xfce edition named xubuntu, you can give that a try. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran (A couple of months in the laboratory can frequently save a couple of hours in the library.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Digital Signal Processing
On Sat, Feb 8, 2014 at 3:56 PM, Prakash Prasad prakash_pra...@yahoo.com wrote: I want to learn DSP. When I started reading books and online materials I found that there is some gap in my understanding .. the concept. I have doubts even at basics level istself and I am fiding it difficult to follow any material. I reside at Tambaram - and would like if anyone can teach me DSP. Someone can cover the DSP topics one by one provide me homework and problems to do and follow up the same next week. Can somebody help me out? Take a look at NPTEL videos. http://nptel.ac.in/courses/117102060/ -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran (A couple of months in the laboratory can frequently save a couple of hours in the library.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Can't run inside /bin directory commands.Permission denied error
On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Manivel Rajendran be.mani...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Unfortunately one of my server (Centos 6.3 -64bit ) default permission had changed.I run any command inside /bin, It is showing permission denied error. Please help me to resolve this issue. Try to reinstall the OS. There is some serious issue. ___ I believe SE-Linux policy is preventing you from doing it. Try disabling it. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran (A couple of months in the laboratory can frequently save a couple of hours in the library.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
[Ilugc] Linux Backdoor attempt of 2003 - Interesting read
Someone tried to insert a backdoor in linux kernel back in 2003. This is one example of why opensource is better for security. https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/the-linux-backdoor-attempt-of-2003/ -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran (A couple of months in the laboratory can frequently save a couple of hours in the library.) ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial] Need a Kernel Expert for Building a Custom Distro
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Rajesh kumar rkrajeshkuma...@gmail.comwrote: Dear All, I need a Freelancer who can create a custom distro for our organization. Building a custom distro is not an easy task. There are several softwares to package with each of its dependencies resolved and different architectures to support. It requires a lot of manpower with experts in many different areas. More than a freelancer can do. What you can do is build a killer custom OS taylored to your PC, based on gentoo or archlinux (or few others). Starting with archlinux is recomended, as you don't have to compile each and every package(which can take hours/days in total). But if the need arises you can comiple specific(or all) packages for you PC architecture in archlinux. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu 13.10 replacing X.org with Mir
On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Siji Sunny sijisu...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the recent announcement by Ubuntu clearly mentioned that their latest release 13.10 will replace X-window server (X.org) with their own Mir-Display Manager. I strongly feel this is going to make a big impact in the Linux Community/Developers. Even-though the license is GPL, I think they are planning to reach the Eco-system that Android and Apple is having. Everybody and their grandmother in the linux DE developer community hates cannonical for their announcement. They should have worked with wayland to sort out their issues, instead one day they announced Mir out of the blue with a rant about wayland as their reason (which turned out to be nonsense anyway). On a positive note, their announcement made both gnome and kde guys hurry up with their support for wayland. I see Ubuntu as a falling distro which was once great. I am sure Mir will be as successful as unity. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] fraction slider anime plugin
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:49 PM, Girish Venkatachalam girishvenkatacha...@gmail.com wrote: I did get time to play with it. But the bland white and black(BW) effect itself is nice. http://awrdev.g3tech.in/jquery_tutorials/fractionslider.html You may want to look at .. http://bartaz.github.io/impress.js/#/overview -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] GNU/Linux Install fest
On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:05 PM, Raja Rajan ra...@bluetronics.co.in wrote: HI all its me rajarajan . . . if there any feast at thirunelveli,nagercoil,thoothukudi or south of tamil nadu . . . i will be a volunteer Your enthusiasm for a *feast* scares me. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] jQuery and HTML forms
On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Prem Kurian Philip p...@songbirdtech.com wrote: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 08:53:49 +0530 From: Thyagarajan ?? citizenof...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Ilugc] jQuery and HTML forms Hi, My take on this discussion. ilugc is a Linux user group and supports all foss tools. -- Now ilugc is now more of a web developer's user group with random discussions about Adobe Dreamweaver alternatives, jquery, html and so on. All of those are interesting discussions, no doubt, but they are offtopic on this list. If most of the content is going to be on HTML, Javascript and so on, those who are interested in linux content will go elsewhere and the list will become a place where web developers hang out. I don't think there is anything wrong about what Girish is trying to do here. This is LUG but that does not mean we have to close our minds to other technical concepts. Only rarely do we some truly 'Linux only' posts, and most of the them are about people asking for simple noob stuff without even googling, or people asking about software installations etc ... oh and even obituaries. Most of these rarely add value to the knowledge of the community. And what was it about this being for web developers? For those of you who don't know, javascript is now a firstclass citizen in the gnome community. You can develop full fledged GTK3 and gnome DESKTOP applications using javascript. You may find it usefull to learn. Who are the people using linux anyway? Right now, only people willing to experiment with cool new stuff (mostly programmers) and your average Joe who uses it only because its installed in their work machine. I doubt the later will join a mailing list like this. And I don't see why we should not discuss the programming languages (even web). Girish and few others here take time to type long mails to share their knowledge with us. When people with long experience and strong industry background have something to say, its better to listen instead of trying to find faults. Its true that we are LUG, but by bashing anything and everything nonlinux (including windows stuff), we are not behaving any better than those apple and windows fanboys. We have to be more open to FOSS stuff in general and discuss anything of interest. We can gain something just be seeing two people discuss BSD instead of chasing them away in the name of linux. I hope we see more posts like this in the future. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] Finding Out Patch of RHEL
On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 4:58 PM, raju kaur raju.kaju...@yahoo.in wrote: hello group , Can anybody help me to finding out Required patches of RHEL-5/6 with GUI or CLI finding out security patches of RHEL-5/6 finding out Application Patches waiting For Reply. ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines I do not understand why you need to do this. If you run the update command *sudo* yum update, it should automatically pull all the latest available updates. Why go hunting? Lack of internet connection maybe? -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc ILUGC Mailing List Guidelines: http://ilugc.in/mailinglist-guidelines
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Torvalds vs Tesla
On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 11:07 PM, Prasanna Venkadesh prasmai...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, This may be pretty off-topic or may not be. But definitely interesting stuff. Who is the greatest Geek of all time? Nikola Tesla or Linus Torvalds. http://www.geekwire.com/2013/vote-geek-madness-final-linus-torvalds-nikola-tesla/ The end of this what you will get is a result of who has more fanboys. People who vote are you, me and other common netizens, there are voters who have never heard of tesla and looked up wikipedia at the last moment, there are Linus worshippers, Linux haters, and somany nongeek voters. So its not to be taken seriously. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Linus Torvalds To Join Microsoft To Head Windows 9 Project
On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Dhastha dhasthagh...@gmail.com wrote: http://itsfoss.com/linus-torvalds-to-join-microsoft/ Is this correct? -- You may want to double check the date on that article. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [0T] Suggestion
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 7:19 AM, jaya kumar jayakumargen...@gmail.com wrote: If we are using Google Search Engine In Same room with different laptops. The same keywords . Why it showing Different Results to Different people ? Why it not showing the same results to everyone ? Google tracks your search history, and the history of usage of all your google products. When you try to search for something, it suggests based on your history. Not only this, they will also place ads nearby based on your search, recently watched youtube videos and what not? The world wide consortium need to Look around this ? Nobody is going to look around this, when you signed up for google services, you agreed for such things when you clicked 'I agree' in terms and conditions, Privacy Policy http://www.google.co.in/policies/privacy/etc. The are other search engines which donot track you, feel free to use them. Try Duck Duck Go https://duckduckgo.com/. If its means is it Standardize one ? is it good for a common man can getting the exact results as what he expects ? I don't know what this statement means, but google's method of tracking and delivering results is more accurate at giving you what you expect. And a lot of us don't want to be tracked. Thanks Kumar ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] File sync between two locations
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 6:12 PM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I had a seemingly simple problem till I started the implementation. I have two GNU/Linux servers, one in Erode and another one in Coimbatore - both inside respective LANs which is connected to the internet. I also have one VPS server (Linode) running with a static IP connected to the internet. Now, I have to sync two folders - one in the Erode machine and the other one in the Coimbatore machine. Files can get added and deleted in each of the folders. At any given time, the Erode machine's folder should contain all the files added by both Erode users and Coimbatore users. Same expectation on the other side also. The project is a hybrid content management system. Latency is not an issue. It can even take an entire day to sync the two folders. Based on my research the Unison project ( http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/) seems to fit very well in the star topology. Any comments? Any better tool to achieve this? Am I in the right path? rsync will be first back up tool u want to consider. But in your case there are more things to worry about. Your internet connection more specifically, do you have static ip at both ends or do u get assigned dynamic ips on each connect. If so you may need to do some dirty work to keep track of your changing ips -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] File sync between two locations
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Arun Venkataswamy arun...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Narendiran a.narendi...@gmail.com wrote: Yes I have that problem. The IP addresses of the internet connections of the two machines will keep changing, and they are also behind a modem connected to the LAN. That's the reason I would like to use a `client initiated` solution. I have a 3rd machine with a static IP on the internet which can act as a passive/bridge between the 2 servers. I do not know much about unison to comment on it, but your 3rd machine is boon for you. You do not need to make it as a bridge between the 2 servers. But you can use it to keep track of your ips. You can overcome the problem of being behind the router by setting up port forwarding in the routers. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Need of Ideas for completing project based on Linux
On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Ramesh Kumar linuxramesh...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Friends, I’m about to complete my final year project based on Linux. In that I am trying to initialize communication between two systems on the network. To begin this process, one needs to do encryption and decryption algorithm Until here everything sounded fun and cool. using the Shell script. These four words ruined it for me. Either I am understanding wrong or your approach is wrong. You *never *use shell script to implement cryptographic algoritms. You can use it to chain together an array of tools to accomplish your goals. Like others have mentioned, take a look at openssl. Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] hi
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:52 PM, Arun Khan knu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Baskar Selvaraj bas...@linuxpert.in wrote: Try, 1AMA-CH3P-STKE The reply is much worse than the original posting. +1. This mailing list is all about Open Source. It is also archived publicly @ GMane etc. This is *not* the place for publicizing warez information related to proprietary products. Hi, my reply was only 18 characters long. There is a joke in there somewhere. I assure you its not a product key of any software. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] hi
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 9:45 AM, karthikeyan blueboykar...@gmail.com wrote: i have spreadsheetconverter to html/javascript 5.2.1please sent me serial key for this software Try, 1AMA-CH3P-STKE -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] How to find the packages that are created using PyQT?
I believe ninja-IDE uses PyQT. http://ninja-ide.org/downloads/ On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: I am learning PyQT. It will be nice to see the code of the software that are built using PyQT to learn the code practises and contribute. How to find the software that are built using PyQT in my ubuntu 12.10 box? Is there any dpkg based commad? -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free/Open Source Jobs : http://fossjobs.in Get CollabNet Subversion Edge : http://www.collab.net/svnedge ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Full system backup with rsync, ?
I made rsync to backup the entire / (root partition) of the server and
excluded some unwanted folders like /tmp /proc as shown below, Can I
introduce a new disk and write all the contents over so that I get a mirror
copy of the original server ? Without formatting the new disk I cannot
copy the backed up files over to that, So I tried copying the existing
partition table using sfdisk and imported on the new media, Then I am
totally lost as to how to perform the back up.
rsync -avz --progress -e 'ssh -i /home/sebackup/.ssh/backup -l root'
server:/* /home/bala/Users/Documents/SE/backup/
--exclude={/dev/*,/proc/*,/sys/*,/tmp/*,/run/*,/mnt/*,/media/*,/lost+found,/home/*/.gvfs,/var/www/*}
if you are interested in perfect mirroring, try dd tool.
http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/ddcommand.htm
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Re: [Ilugc] Suggest some backup software for Debian
rsync might be enough. I doubt u will need more than what it can provide/ On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:28 PM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan bala150...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Could you please suggest some network backup software for Debian ? The ease of use from learning curve perspective. -- Regards, Balasubramaniam Natarajan www.blog.etutorshop.com ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] key board Mouse not working with CENTOS 6.0
On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 11:05 AM, s...@ccmb.res.in wrote: Hi In response to your valuable feedback and suggestions, I had executed the shell command Unfortunately it generated the error output however it has created the xorg.conf file with the identification of mouse and key board whose config details are also pasted on pastebin with the URL Hopefully, it leads us to a conclusive solution with your valuable feedback. One way to configure Xorg, just remove the config file and restart, Xorg will create one automatically with sane defaults. So, try to rename the Xorg file into some thing else, connect the components and restart. See if it works. (Worked for my monitor) Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Gnome Fallback mode
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com wrote: For those who suffer from unity of ubuntu, there is gnome fallback mode. We can get almost our old gnome functionalities like menu, top bar, bottom task bar etc . Check the link for how to enable it. http://complete-concrete-concise.com/ubuntu-2/ubuntu-12-04/ubuntu-12-04-how-to-install-the-gnome-session-fallback Or you can give Cinnamon a try http://www.pir8geek.com/how-to-install-cinnamon-in-ubuntu-12-04/ Or may be give gnome shell a try. You might begin to like it ;-) -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Need help for organizing a SFD event in my college
Obviously, they will invite someone to talk or give a demonstration on Open Source Software. But, I want to know what else we can do to make the event interesting and innovative. For instance, we are planning to arrange booths in which we will create Live USB Keys of Ubuntu and Fedora. Here is an idea I think will be good to try out. 1. Give some tutorials on using any source code management system (SCM) such as Git or Mercurial. The general opinion is that mercurial is simpler and easier to learn, while git is more flexible and powerful. So Mercurial maybe a good choice for intro to beginners. 2. Once the basic concepts are explained, try to organize and create a collaborative software. The software MUST NOT be a full featured application. The goal IS NOT creating opensource project, but to introduce people to collaborative development. The program must finished in the allotted time. Here is an example, by now almost everyone will be familiar with some basics in C or C++. Create a program simple console application (say a calculator). A menu is displayed. 1. Add 2. Subtract 3. Multiply etc etc The user selects the function by entering a number. The corresponding function is called. Simple as that. Now every participant can be assigned a function to work on, while someone manages the menu. People will get some hands-on experience. You can always take it further from here. At the end of the day, you can brainstorm some opensource project, gather volunteers and start something in github or bitbucket etc. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [ilugc] Gnome Vs KDE Vs Unity
Which one suits more for begineers? Which one is for experts? There is NO universally applicable answer to this question. For beginners, gnome shell may suit better as it presents a clean and clutter free desktop. Experts may prefer KDE as it offers a lot of customization options. In general the answer to this question depends on what kind of person the user is. Some people get excited about new designs and new ways of doing things. They like to explore all things new. For them Gnome or unity will offer a new experience away from Windows, which will get them interested. Then there are people who are stubborn and refuse to use learn anything new, they want everything to work as they want and in the only way they know (as in windows). For these kind of people, KDE is a better solution (or may be cinnamon). (Warning: Do not introduce them to Gnome, they will stop using linux the moment they realise that there is no 'My Computer' icon on the desktop or no right click on the desktop). Some people cannot live without constantly 'refreshing' the desktop every 5 mins. I cannot recommend anything to them. In the end it all boils down to the applications installed. After playing around with the desktop, changing wallpapers and themes, people need to get their work done. There should be a proper suit of applications to fulfill their needs. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Chromium browser not upgrading in Ubuntu 10.04
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:31 AM, Balasubramaniam Natarajan bala150...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I am seeing that google-chrome-stable is being released on a fairly regular basis, however I don't see that the same is getting upgraded on my system. http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4846/selection004.jpg I can see couple of links related to that as well over here. If someone knows what needs to be done to fix it do share the knowledge. Chromium may be released at fairly short intervals, but its upto your distribution to maintain an updated package of the software. If you are using a LTS version of ubuntu, you will recieve minumum updates. The goal in LTS is to ensure stability. So they may provide you with well tested but older versions, regardless of what is the current version of the software. -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [opinion]Dear Gnome devs: Please stop trashing Gnome!
You might want to try cinnamon desktop. Another project from linux mint. It tries to stick to the traditional desktop metaphor(Gnome 2 look) but is based on modern technology (Gnome 3). It has some cool features, but still a young project with some rough edges. Personally, I am sticking with gnome 3, as I have got used to its features(or lack of it) and like it. On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:04 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 17:59 +0530, 0 wrote: I am not very sure what he is trying to say. But these past few days, I have moved away from Gnome to Fluxbox. And I am finding it really wonderful. It is extremely customisable and very very light. Haven't tried Fluxbox but I am going back to Gnome2's reincarnation MATE from Fedora 18. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_itempx=MTE1MDI great news - I have seen MATE on mint - love it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] headphones in fedora 17
Most probable explanation. Your System's sound card does not have an open source driver, the fedora community is very strict on fully being open source. Try finding them in additional repos like rmpfusion etc? On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:59 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 15:47 +0530, kenneth gonsalves wrote: I just bought a headphone/mike set. I cannot get it to work in Fedora 17. Tried every possible combination of settings. I booted my machine into linux mint and the headphones work out of the box - any guidance would be appreciated. update - the headphones work out of the box on my wife's much newer laptop running Fedora 16 -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [ilguc] Ubuntu is not Linux- Is it true?
Linux is just the kernel. Ubuntu is a distribution of various softwares. Sure it comes with the linux kernel, but it also includes various other softwares. Saying 'ubuntu is linux', is equal to saying 'ubuntu is libbre office' or 'ubutnu is gimp', after the distro includes all. A lot of those softwares have windows versions too!. On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Jesse Francis atjes...@gmail.com wrote: Haha.. Am not hearing it for the first time-had seen such a mention in an article in ToI few months back. Ubuntu is very much a GNU/Linux distribution though they are noit calling it Ubuntu Linux, runs on Linux Kernal, and is born out of Debian Linux. Above all, it is the most popular Linux Distribution as of now, as well! On 7/29/12, ARUN PALANIAPPAN arunpalaniappan@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, While looking around to suggest a book for beginners, I came across an interesting book Ubuntu: An Absolute Beginner’s Guidehttp://www.makeuseof.com/pages/ubuntu-an-absolute-beginners-guide The Book can be downloaded from the Link: http://www.makeuseof.com/pages/ubuntu-an-absolute-beginners-guide In that book, it is mentioned that *Contrary to common belief*: Linux is not a corporation • Nobody owns Linux • * Ubuntu is not Linux* Till Date, I am of the opinion that Ubuntu is one among the Linux distributions. Is it wrong? Please clarify -- Regards, ARUN P A Tailor’s mistake is a Fashion But, An Engineer’s mistake is a Disaster. Preserve the earth; Else we will perish ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Jesse P Francis Avoid the Gates of Hell. Use Linux. Twitter/Diaspora/Facebook: @atjesse, Wikipedia/Wikibooks: ml.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:atjesse, ml.wikibooks.org/wiki/use:atjesse ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [ILGUC] [HELP] Extraction of Data and Plotting
Request you data aquisition team to provide you the data in plain text format or some other standard format. If they can provide that then GNU Plot can do the rest. Most programs will have an option to export data into other formats. On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:32 PM, ARUN PALANIAPPAN arunpalaniappan@gmail.com wrote: 2012/7/27 Shrinivasan T tshriniva...@gmail.com Strictly speaking, I never use DAS.. !!The data is being acquired by an Electronics team. I just get the acquired data for analysis. Hence, I am unaware about the DAS. I am not sure if it supports Linux I have seen them acquire the data using DOS or windows (Depending on application) --Trimmed-- -- Regards, ARUN P ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc -- Sincerely, A. Narendiran ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
