Re: [Ilugc] [opinion]Dear Gnome devs: Please stop trashing Gnome!
On Wed, 2012-08-01 at 17:46 +0530, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: ** It is just my opinion that Gnome3 is better than Unity. I like this new [opinion] tag - hopefully it will get wider usage and reduce flame wars and jingoistic statements that cause them. Congrats to the person who introduced the tag. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] headphones in fedora 17
hi, I just bought a headphone/mike set. I cannot get it to work in Fedora 17. Tried every possible combination of settings. I booted my machine into linux mint and the headphones work out of the box - any guidance would be appreciated. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] headphones in fedora 17
On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 15:47 +0530, kenneth gonsalves wrote: I just bought a headphone/mike set. I cannot get it to work in Fedora 17. Tried every possible combination of settings. I booted my machine into linux mint and the headphones work out of the box - any guidance would be appreciated. update - the headphones work out of the box on my wife's much newer laptop running Fedora 16 -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] headphones in fedora 17
On Mon, 2012-07-30 at 20:17 +0530, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 5:59 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: update - the headphones work out of the box on my wife's much newer laptop running Fedora 16 If you play music/sound on the F17 box, do you get a sound output ? yes - but only on the internal laptop speakers - the headphones are mute -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] open source hardware
hi, http://venturebeat.com/2012/07/27/open-source-model-disrupts-the-commercial-drone-business/ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] how to multitask
hi an open source hacker at the olympics: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/project/google/gsoc2012/tpbarron/16001 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/01/sports/olympics/racewalkers-compete-outside-the-spotlight.html -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] want info about plone hosting providers
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 11:19 +0530, satyaakam goswami wrote: is it no one to take care of it, or no funds to pay for it? As for shared hosting, webfaction would be your best bet. yes the reason to shift are both , will check the webfaction option. I just checked, it takes about 5 minutes to set up a plone site in webfaction - and from several years of using webfaction for various clients, I can testify that it rocks seriously, and their support and uptime is absolutely fantastic. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 13:07 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: Has anybody in this list or people you know - have made money by creating open source products? I have. Not much money, but money. My model is like this: I offer to build applications for the client, charge what I feel is a reasonable sum and convince them that if the software is open source from the start it is easier to get people to contribute to it, the code is available if I drop dead and it is easy for them to upgrade and debug errors. My costs are cut because whenever I am stuck I can always find people who are willing to write some code for free (although sometimes I pay) because it is open source. I also insist on my clients learning the basics of issue management and refuse to do anything unless a proper ticket is filed. I do not have to lie to the client about progress and never give progress reports. I tell them to look at the repo to see if I am doing work or not. The model often fails because the client cannot get used to the way I do things. When it succeeds, it works great. The client as a co-developer. Note that all my work is web apps (not websites). Some things I have learned: 1. The person I interact with on the client side *must* be the person who takes the decisions in the client concern. It does not work if I have to interact with an underling. 2. The development must be module by module and should go into production immediately - if the guy wants the whole thing ready before going into production, I decline to do it. 3. One has to be extremely flexible with regard to design changes and new feature requests. The client may think he knows what he wants, but once in production, he may realise he needs something else. One must be prepared to rip the guts out of the app and rewrite - without losing data. 4. I push as much of the work as possible on to the client - he has to enter the data (I may make a script to load the data from a spreadsheet, but he has to actually get everything ready and run the script). I show him how to back up, but he has to do it. Likewise simple upgrades like doing hg pull, hg update and restarting the server is his job. Like wise for database migration, I give the script - he has to run it. 5. Design - he has to hire someone for that. In one case the guy learned css and html and did it himself. (it looked horrible, but he was happy). There are two reasons why I do this - 1. I am not capable of drawing a straight line even with the aid of a computer and 2. design is the one field in which the open source methodology does not work. No committee or group of people can do good design - one guy has to do it. If he needs help, the helpers have to do what they are told - no vote. 6. Last and most important - make proper agreements and make sure the schedule of payment is met. No pay, no work. The flip side is that when they see I am flexible with regard to doing mid course changes and adding new features they do not quibble about paying more. One of my big successes was building an app for a Finnish NGO working in Mumbai. We started with one site and soon several sites in 7 countries in the region. The lady in charge of Asia then took a year or two off to take a course on how to get things done by IT people. She was shifted to Africa and we have now covered 4 countries there. The course she took did not help her at all as it was to do with how to extract work from M$ Weenies. But she has learned issue management - you may look at the discussions in the open and closed issues in this project here: https://bitbucket.org/lawgon/kenyakids/ now her bug/feature reporting is as good as most professionals. We are soon going worldwide, and quite a few other NGOs are lining up - my client is doing the marketing for me (and not asking for commission). I have had one spectacular flop also - some members of our LUG will remember as they were involved. The flop was due to the fact that I ignored most of the principles mentioned above - especially point No 1. One last comment - do not write code unless 1. some one pays you or 2. you need it for something you want to achieve. You can think of some fantastic idea that you think will be the next facebook or will fulfill a need that people will pay for - ok, if you must, do it, but do not expect to make money from it. As some one said, if people will not pay for something, they certainly will take it if it is free. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open source and business
On Wed, 2012-07-25 at 16:56 +0530, kenneth gonsalves wrote: One last comment - do not write code unless 1. some one pays you or 2. you need it for something you want to achieve. You can think of some fantastic idea that you think will be the next facebook or will fulfill a need that people will pay for - ok, if you must, do it, but do not expect to make money from it. As some one said, if people will not pay for something, they certainly will take it if it is free. oops - that should read 'they certainly will not take it if it is free' -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] erpnext
hi, has anyone used erpnext, if so what opinion? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] want info about plone hosting providers
On Tue, 2012-07-24 at 22:59 +0530, satyaakam goswami wrote: but some one capable of listening to the importance of plone taking a decision in its favour, suggest them to go for VPS. They have a VPS in place now they want to move away from it since there is no one to take care of it , is it no one to take care of it, or no funds to pay for it? As for shared hosting, webfaction would be your best bet. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] dual boot success
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 13:22 +0530, kish wrote: On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Vignesh Rajendran vickylinu...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:19 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: something more exotic? Try Gentoo Sabayon is neat and clean. I once used it for a year. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] openings python Twisted developers.
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 15:11 +0530, g.t Rao wrote: We have 6 openings at lintel technologies pvt ltd for python Twisted developers. Lintel technologies pvt ltd, is a open source technology based company in Hyderabad and Ahmedabad. You can find more details about openings call or email at thanks for encouraging open source and also approaching our group. Please affix [JOB] and [COMMERCIAL] tags in the subject line in future. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] URL you requested has been blocked as per DOT guidelines
On Mon, 2012-07-23 at 21:48 +0530, 0 wrote: I am trying to open the following URL, http://pastebin.com/vjpbm8XH , on my Aircel 3G and I get the following error, The URL you requested has been blocked as per DOT guidelines The page you have requested has been blocked, because the URL is banned.1 URL = pastebin.com/vjpbm8XH works for me on bsnl landline - I use opendns. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Looking for a java programmer
On Fri, 2012-07-20 at 13:03 +0530, Madan U Sreenivasan wrote: Am looking for a java programmer (Apache tomcat on Windows) for a two month project. Interested people mail me personally. List: I hope this kind of request is within limits. Pl. let me know if not. I will refrain from further usage. although apache and tomcat and java are open source, this is a Linux users group, posts with respect to other *nix flavours are ok, but I am of the view that Windows does not qualify. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] YMA looking forward to volunteers, executive council members
On Sat, 2012-07-21 at 09:40 +0530, ஆமாச்சு wrote: Founded by members of this list, Yavarkumana Menporul Arakkatalai - indigenous Software Foundation for Free Software is looking forward to expand its activities. the translation to english is wrong -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [ilugc] Best compatible USB DataCard for latest Ubuntu
On Thu, 2012-07-19 at 16:43 +0530, R.Kanagaraj (RK) wrote: After testing some brand, I stuck with MTS data card it works out of the box. with Xubuntu, Ubuntu 12.04 and Fedora 17. how old is your machine? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] kill
On Wed, 2012-07-18 at 15:14 +0530, Noorul Islam K M wrote: May be this one is customized by Debian or the OP might be using some *nix variant. I heard some rumours that he uses BSD ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Shell script with arguments
On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 17:57 +0530, Vijay Kumar wrote: For example, if I type in pkgscript.sh a1 a2 a3, it should install all the 3 scripts and pkgscript.sh a1 should install only a1. If a user enters only pkgscript.sh, it should ask for arguments and then proceed accordingly. does not yum or apt-get do this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Hacking and Activism
On Sun, 2012-07-15 at 02:46 +0530, A. Mani wrote: But the FSMK people have decided to use the term ethical hacking for hacking + Activism and possibly beyond. http://www.fsmk.org/ethical-hacking morons -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [fosscomm] Hacking and Activism
On Sun, 2012-07-15 at 11:02 +0530, Arun Khan wrote: As has been suggested, please do not cross post topics that are going to generate talk back. Most of the members of the *lists* you have cross posted to are not likely members of *all/some* of the same lists and therefore responses are going to be disjointed in each of those mailing list. Please post them individually and summarize the discussion from each of the lists in one final post. I agree - I pressed reply to his post and got some bounce from some other list. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] dual boot success
On Sun, 2012-07-15 at 11:21 -0400, Baskar Selvaraj wrote: FreeBSD? been there, done that - I want some sexy distro that no one else in the LUG uses. Mageia one reason why I need more distros is that my bsnl data card has not worked for me after fedora 12. It does not work in mint either. So I am looking for a distro in which it will work. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] dual boot success
On Mon, 2012-07-16 at 11:10 +0530, 0 wrote: On 07/16/2012 10:49 AM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: one reason why I need more distros is that my bsnl data card has not worked for me after fedora 12. It does not work in mint either. So I am looking for a distro in which it will work. Most likely a kernel/driver issue. I face similar problems with several of my hardware components and I just stay on 2-3 yr old distributions. May be if we compile the kernel/modules from older versions and install it with the newer distributions, it might work. as far as I know, I am the only one facing this problem - seems to work for everyone else! On a side note, this kinda indicates that MS is no longer the only one who drops support for older hardware on releasing a newer version. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] setting up dual boot
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 20:03 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: law...@thenilgiris.comwrote: Total size: 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders, total 312581808 sectors sda5 partition: /dev/sda5 223236096 31258009544672000 83 Linux 312581808-312580095 = 1713 ~ 1713 X 512 = 877056 bytes = 856.5 k bytes free space? Or did I get you wrong? Are you telling that sda5 did not exist before the attempt to install Mint? I need to apologise to the group - when I used to do installations on a daily basis, it was dinned into me that one could have at the most 4 primary partititons, since I have not done this for the past 6-7 years I had forgotten this. I have got it figured out now. Thanks all - I will try again and revert. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] workshop at Sri Ramakrishna Engineering College, Coimbatore
hi, on behalf of ilugcbe Govind and I conducted a one day workshop at SREC on python and git. About 40 students attended, the workshop was hands on, and all the students were able to complete the assignments given to them. lesson learned: git is too geeky to teach to students who are clueless about version control - subversion or mercurial is a better bet. observation: 10 years ago we had to beg and plead to be allowed to conduct a workshop in any college. We had to spend our own money and the managements used to ignore us. Nowadays we are greeted with flowers and garlands, the managements do their utmost to give us all the facilities, they pay expenses and even give an honorarium! This is my experience in the Coimbatore region and in Kerala. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] dual boot success
hi, finally succeeded. I did not use lvm. What I did: 1 booted fedora. made a 4gb swap and a 60gb primary partition and installed fedora there. 2 booted mint and made another 60gb partition and installed mint there. 3 on restart, the machine booted directly into mint 4 booted from the fedora installation dvd and restored grub. I now have a nice dual boot system - I still have one more partition available, should I install mandriva, or does someone have suggestions for something more exotic? fdisk -l shows: [root@xlquest lawgon]# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders, total 312581808 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00088787 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 *2048 11469004757344000 83 Linux /dev/sda2 114690048 122882047 4096000 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda3 122882048 24006860758593280 83 Linux -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Mail server implementation
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 15:01 +0530, Mohan Sundaram wrote: PS: I noticed you giving pointers as part of the mail, but at times this is also conveyed rude. Opinions vary. I've not found Arun's replies rude ever. Being to the point should not be misconstrued to be rude. Rude is when we call the person names, attach negative connotation objectives etc. or insult the person by being sarcastic. being brief is in some cultures interpreted as rude - n00bs will just have to get used to it. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Mail server implementation
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 15:22 +0530, ஆமாச்சு wrote: On Thursday 12 July 2012 03:01:40 PM IST, Mohan Sundaram wrote: Opinions vary. I've not found Arun's replies rude ever Sorry, I wasn't of the opinion that Arun's reply is rude. At times, in general when some one asks the other replies to search before ask, it appears rude. - That was my opinion. It is very often intended to be rude. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [Commercial] Python and Perl Workshop based training
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 16:16 +0530, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote: Don't reply to list for the mails with Commercial tag. Please contact the OP directly. I understand Commercial Tag, However what is OP ? Original Poster -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] setting up dual boot
hi, I have fedora on my system with the following partitions: /, /home, /var and swap. Also some free space. I wanted to install another distro in the free space. First I tried with mint - it said that no preexisting installation exists and wanted to format the disk afresh. Next I tried with Mandriva - this recognised the existing partitions, but I could not find any option to make it install in the free space. Any one has some experience in this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] setting up dual boot
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 16:39 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote: First, partition your hard disk with your existing system. Crate the necessary file systems. Then, boot with the Mint CD or DVD and you should be able to complete the installation. what partitions should I make? Have you succeeded in doing this? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] setting up dual boot
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 07:21 -0400, Baskar Selvaraj wrote: I have fedora on my system with the following partitions: /, /home, /var and swap. Also some free space. I wanted to install another distro in the free space. First I tried with mint - it said that no preexisting installation exists and wanted to format the disk afresh. Next I tried with Mandriva - this recognised the existing partitions, but I could not find any option to make it install in the free space. Any one has some experience in this? Can you post of output of fdisk -l to see the partition information of your hdd. [root@xlquest lawgon]# fdisk -l Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders, total 312581808 sectors Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00088787 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 *2048 1433620477168 83 Linux /dev/sda2 143362048 2150420473584 83 Linux /dev/sda3 215042048 223234047 4096000 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda4 223234048 312581807446738805 Extended /dev/sda5 223236096 31258009544672000 83 Linux -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] setting up dual boot
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 17:03 +0530, ஆமாச்சு wrote: On Thursday 12 July 2012 04:39 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: I have fedora on my system with the following partitions: /, /home, /var and swap. Also some free space. I wanted to install another distro in the free space. First I tried with mint - it said that no preexisting installation exists and wanted to format the disk afresh. does linux mint have advanced mode/ text mode installation? that would give much more options for installation. what is the point when it says it cannot find any os on the disk? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] setting up dual boot
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 17:10 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes Disk identifier: 0x00088787 Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/sda1 *2048 1433620477168 83 Linux /dev/sda2 143362048 2150420473584 83 Linux /dev/sda3 215042048 223234047 4096000 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda4 223234048 312581807446738805 Extended /dev/sda5 223236096 31258009544672000 83 Linux It looks like you have allocated the entire disk space as various partitions. I guess by free space, you mean one of the partitions is empty or un formatted. Try deleting the partition which has the free space. Make it un allocated disk space. Then mint might recognize this. this is my current partition - when I tried the dual boot, I had 40 GB of free space also. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] setting up dual boot
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 17:18 +0530, Karthikeyan Venkatraman wrote: I have not come across your requirement. To my understanding with study to the url it requires LVM for dual booting. http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/06/20/dual-boot-fedora-15-and-ubuntu-11-04-with-either-side-on-an-lvm-partitioning-scheme/ will try this when I am free. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] setting up dual boot
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 08:09 -0400, Baskar Selvaraj wrote: this is my current partition - when I tried the dual boot, I had 40 GB of free space also. post the output of 'blkid' (as root) to know current partitions alongwith filesystem status. [root@xlquest lawgon]# blkid /dev/sda1: UUID=00de097a-9323-433f-83a9-1858f44602d0 TYPE=ext4 /dev/sda2: UUID=b86bef0e-3402-41b2-b814-3e9f870fb2f7 TYPE=ext4 /dev/sda3: UUID=1c6294e2-e738-4282-b666-0a783988dd08 TYPE=swap /dev/sda5: UUID=b81886a1-ffd8-4e1c-a8b2-f9a0599768c5 TYPE=ext4 -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] setting up dual boot
On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 17:56 +0530, Arun Khan wrote: [root@xlquest lawgon]# blkid /dev/sda1: UUID=00de097a-9323-433f-83a9-1858f44602d0 TYPE=ext4 /dev/sda2: UUID=b86bef0e-3402-41b2-b814-3e9f870fb2f7 TYPE=ext4 /dev/sda3: UUID=1c6294e2-e738-4282-b666-0a783988dd08 TYPE=swap /dev/sda5: UUID=b81886a1-ffd8-4e1c-a8b2-f9a0599768c5 TYPE=ext4 I guess Mint installer is looking for a partition w/o any filesystem on it. Your /dev/sda5 has an ext4. as mentioned at the time when I tried I had unused unformatted free space on the disk. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] programming languages
this may be of interest to some: http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] programming languages
On Tue, 2012-07-10 at 22:59 +0530, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: PS: IIRC, Kenneth is himself hates php very much. So :) actually I do not hate php - I hate java. But I feel that php is an entry level language (and does a great job in bringing people to open source), but I feel that people should move on to 'better' things, and am continually disappointed to see talented youngsters getting afraid of the learning curve of the 'better' things and reverting. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Mail server implementation
On Wed, 2012-07-11 at 08:06 +0530, Muthukumar S wrote: I am searching for knowledge base links for how to implement the mail server and what are the basic requirements to implement. It would be nice if there is a step by step guidelines. sudo apt-get install postfix - done -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] best practices for backup and restore on upgrading
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 07:11 +0530, Mohan Sundaram wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 12:43 AM, Vignesh Nandha Kumar viky.nan...@gmail.com wrote: Installing /home in a different partition than the root is helpful to some extent. This worked well for me too. In addition, I made sure that apps that install are also in a non-system partition so that reinstall keeps these apps safe and the need to re-install is less. Inspite of this, to keep compatibility as OS changes, I still have to install a few core apps like mail client, monitoring utilities. my reinstallation went well - did not lose any data or valuable information. One hiccup - firefox sync did not work as I had omitted to pair my old installation so did not have the key to open with my new install. But I just copied my old .mozilla directory to the new install and got all my passwords and bookmarks. So now I am on Fedora 17 - as usual everything worked out of the box except mobile broadband which has never worked since fedora 12. I have decided to give up on that and make my laptop dual boot - and I am going to try this out: http://www.extremetech.com/computing/104581-linux-mint-the-new-ubuntu -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] best practices for backup and restore on upgrading
On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 15:37 +0530, 0 wrote: On 07/07/2012 01:12 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: my reinstallation went well - did not lose any data or valuable information. One hiccup - firefox sync did not work as I had omitted to pair my old installation so did not have the key to open with my new install. But I just copied my old .mozilla directory to the new install and got all my passwords and bookmarks. So now I am on Fedora 17 - as usual everything worked out of the box except mobile broadband which has never worked since fedora 12. I am also on Fedora 12 and looking for an upgrade. I have tried Fedora 17 and couldn't get beyond the Gnome 3 madness, did you get your Gnome 3 to work to your liking ? no - it is an idiotic interface, but have got used to it. The worst thing about it is that one cannot open multiple copies of the same program. Sometimes when programming, I like to have one copy of my editor open with one file on one monitor and another copy of the editor open with another file on the other monitor. And I am used to having icons for all my open programs neatly lined up along the bottom of my screen, and clicking the one I want. Now I have to keep banging on the top right of my screen with the mouse to do that ... -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check you DNS
On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 17:05 +0530, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote: I have a doubt here, If your DNS server does not have a cached domain name where is it going to go and look up the domain name ? the simplest solution to the problem is to run a cacheing only nameserver on local host -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check you DNS
On Sat, 2012-07-07 at 17:41 +0530, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote: the simplest solution to the problem is to run a cacheing only nameserver on local host -- Please explain more on this I did not understand. My idea about DNS server is that if your local DNS server does not have an IP corresponding to a domain name or if its cache does not have one it will look up the next level DNS server's what ever you have configured to see if that has an answer. If at all you have configured your ISP's DNS server as the next level DNS server and if your ISP is ignorant about DNS changer malware we will at least know to skip using the ISP's DNS server by starting to use open DNS. install powerdns for example - tell it to run on 127.0.0.1. Configure your network to use the nameserver on 127.0.0.1. Done. Goodbye to your ISP's nameserver. Even simpler is to set your nameserver to the opendns IPs - 208.67.220.220 and 208.67.222.222. I have been using vsnl/bsnl since 1995 and I can assure you their dns sucks bigtime. I used my local nameserver till about 2006 when I became aware of opendns. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 08:57 +0530, 0 wrote: http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1045 Informative. [OT] tag please. what is OT about it? IMO, The article was more about Apple and its IP policy in general. The comments sections in the article throw more light on this. Although an interesting read, I thought it was OT. I could be wrong. depends on the definition OT for this group. The group is not a homogeneous group with a single well defined aim. It is a loose alliance of several different types of focus. I see it like this: 1. It is a linux users' group - so obviously any discussion of linux and linux based stuff is not OT. 2. We have a large number of adherents to the Free Software movement, so any discussion of this - including discussions of the wider concerns of the Free Software Movement like DRM etc is not OT. 3. We also have a large number of Open Source enthusiasts - so discussion of these topics, including the ongoing debate between open source and free software is also on topic. 4. In addition we have users of various BSD and unix flavours. 5. As a consequence of the above, discussion of any open source language, toolkit and framework is also ok. 6. And advocacy of all the above also implies that criticism of companies and ideas that are contrary to the above is also on topic. I would say that the post under consideration falls fairly under points 2 and 6 above and is not OT. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 13:43 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote: lawgon said: I would say that the post under consideration falls fairly under points 2 and 6 above and is not OT. Objection sustained. does this mean it is OT or it is not? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 15:36 +0530, 0 wrote: I would say that the post under consideration falls fairly under points 2 and 6 above and is not OT. I agree with you that the above mentioned points are relevant to the list in some way, but where do we draw the line ? that depends on the individual who is drawing the line. I am sure, there are going to a bunch of news articles every day on DRM, patents, copyright etc. For example, the recent controversy over Blizzard and Diablo III on GNU/Linux (over wine), this would be relevant to most of us http://www.gamepolitics.com/2012/07/03/updated-diablo-iii-linux-users-banned-blizzard-using-wine this link seems to be going to some soft porn site for me -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 16:50 +0530, 0 wrote: this link seems to be going to some soft porn site for me Really? It seems to be working fine for me. Unless you are on MS Windows, I know we disagree occasionally, but that is no reason to insult me ;-) it is most likely due to your DNS server. You should check/change your DNS server settings. just reinstalled my laptop, and forgot to add opendns to the settings. Try the following link which uses the IP directly, http://174.143.7.233/2012/07/03/updated-diablo-iii-linux-users-banned-blizzard-using-wine works, and so does the other link after putting in opendns. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check you DNS
On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 19:57 +0530, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote: Visit the URL dns-ok.us to know if you have been infected with DNS changer malware. http://beamtele.com/mailers/DNSChanger_Emailer-01_1.html this is OT - if you doubt it, see the solutions offered at the bottom of the site referred to. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Check you DNS
On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 23:16 -0400, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote: Why not use 8.8.8.8? I'll trust google's competence over any ISP!! The advantage with this test is that though you PC may not be infected we can help our ISP solve the problem which they have not noticed yet. I heard that there are still around 50K PC around the world infected with this malware. 208.67.220.220 - opendns -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [OT] Blog on Apple Products
On Fri, 2012-07-06 at 07:38 +0530, 0 wrote: On 07/05/2012 11:00 PM, A. Mani wrote: http://www.berkeleylug.com/?p=1045 Informative. [OT] tag please. what is OT about it? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 11:43 +0530, Niam Computech wrote: On 07/04/2012 11:22 AM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: well, it has come as a top post. You need to configure thunderbird to set the cursor at the bottom of the quoted text. @Kenneth - Is it good now? Though we fight here a lot but thanks for the tip mate ;-) perfect. I find that my best friends are people with whom I have started out fighting with. I really appreciate your attitude. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 21:47 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: If a person wishes to answer a question, he chooses the easiest way or his own way to reply. When we ask him to change the way he replies, he gets the same thoughts on mind as I get little free time, I wish to make it useful for the community. I check email and reply, if I know the answers for any queries. If there are restrictions a.k.a guidelines on how I have to reply to a email, I will skip replying, instead of formatting the email for better readability. to be frank, we do not need such people on this list. This attitude is typical of the casual, sloppy, unprofessional attitude towards work that many people have. If you do something, take pride in doing it to the best of your ability in an orderly and correct manner, respecting the rules and conventions followed in the field in which you are operating. If you cannot, do everyone a favour by going and doing something else. Formulating a reply on a mailing list - or contributing code to a project, or filing a bug report or anything else worth doing is worth doing well. An example: one fine day I had the bright idea of contributing a small feature to the django project. I studied all the guidelines I could find, looked at the code in similar modules, wrote up the patch, tried it out and then posted a ticket and sat back waiting for acceptance and praise to flow in. Some one accepted the ticket and said 'where are your tests?'. I said 'doctests are there'. He said 'we need unit tests'. I went back, wrote unit tests, ran them and resubmitted. Then he said - 'tests are failing for python 2.5'. Went back, set up a virtualenv, installed 2.5 and found the problem was upstream. The guy was good enough to check the upstream problem, and let me know when it was fixed. Tests passed - I resubmitted. Then he asks - 'you have not added docs for the new feature'. Went back and added docs. Resubmitted. Then he wants all the changes in one patch. Figured out how to do that and finally, after 6 months, my 10 lines of code was accepted. At last inpycon, I was relating my experience to a friend who is a top class programmer and an expert in django. He said he had the same experience and was like 'who do these guys think they are? They should be grateful for any contribution - not nitpick on the formatting'. He refuses to contribute. That to me sounds like the attitude of top posters in this list. I am not getting this regulations, in office office mail is totally different - most offices have the policy of compulsory top posting and full quoting of the mail in order to keep context. and in most of the other lists. which lists are these? If there are regular inspection on how I am replying, I will be just a reader than contributor so be it - as far as I am concerned the only greater pleasure than reading well crafted, precisely formatted replies to queries on mailing lists is managing to write such replies. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 14:06 +0530, Vignesh Nandha Kumar wrote: On Wed, Jul 4, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote: +1 What an irony. You +1 KG's reply (assuming so. See this is the problem with top posting) with a top post :D he was plus one for Srini's post - no top poster would agree with me. Btw, I'm not sure if this reply of mine is at the right place. When one top posts, where do you place your reply to that? correct place -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 14:27 +0530, ARUN PALANIAPPAN wrote: I am sorry for this mail. I received the survey request through this list only and I feel it is appropriate to comment on that using this list only. . I was shocked on seeing a reply mail, insulting me. Nobody is interested to know if you are poor or rich. I feel very much insulted by this sentence. you have not read the mail properly - the author was praising you. And your mail was a very good and accurate one. The survey in question was badly framed, invasive of privacy and you were right in only filling it in partially. I hope you did not give your name and email address in the survey. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 18:04 +0530, ARUN PALANIAPPAN wrote: The survey in question was badly framed, invasive of privacy and you were right in only filling it in partially. I hope you did not give your name and email address in the survey. Oops.. They came in the first page and I think I gave them!! a lot of these so-called phd/research surveys are by spammers who want to harvest personal details and email addresses. One has to be careful. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 19:31 +0530, Niam Computech wrote: I always ask myself why people waste time discussing / fighting over useless talks rather than spending this time on something productive. well now that you have started doing it, you probably know the answer ;-) Ubuntu, Redhat, Debian, Fedora, Mint, Gentoo are all based on Linux. Linux is their heart, lungs, legs, arms etc but they all have different shapes, sizes etc like human beings do. so why do you not advertise your company as shipping with Linux or GNU/Linux or free operating system or open source operating system (take your pick)? [...] If we all have to contribute to FOSS or GNU/Linux then just pick what you like and start contributing towards it. why do you assume that we are not doing so? You may not be aware of the fact that one thing that distinguishes humans from animals is the ability to talk (and generally communicate using the spoken and written word.) It is only donkeys, buffaloes and other beasts of burden that go around doing productive work without talking. For us, work done without talking about it is not productive or profitable. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 12:42 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: I hope there wont be any end for this thread, if we keep on replying for the comments. Shall we stop here and discuss on other threads? why? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Open Source Software Survey -Reg
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 12:20 +0400, Arul Kumar Natarajan wrote: With regard to my PhD, I seek few minutes of your valuable personal time in filling up the research survey on *Open Source Software Project Management*. I tried to fill it in - but it is too long and a lot of stuff not really relevant to me - tried my best, and wish you all the best. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] on the lighter side
http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/13/kogan-hates-ie7-so-much-its-imposing-a-tax-on-all-shoppers-that-use-the-browser/ -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 17:14 +0530, Niam Computech wrote: @Bala - To jobin whom else. Check thread line and then comment. Why is everyone ready to fight on this mailing list?!! avoid top posting -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 17:43 +0530, Shrinivasan T wrote: i request you all to give your explanations on why to avoid top and bottom post with links and screenshots. full detailed explanation has been worked out over the years by many of us and has been posted in the mailing list guidelines which is also supposed to be posted to the members once a month. The said guidelines are available here: http://www.ilugc.in/content/mailinglist-guidelines -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] best practices for backup and restore on upgrading
hi, upgrading a distro is usually (for me anyway) a huge PITA. Normally one just inserts the new dvd and clicks on upgrade. Most distros are fairly sane nowadays, so the process is smooth. But at times it is necessary to delete everything and do a fresh install. This means backing up data and restoring it - restoring some configuration stuff while not restoring others. What I do is: 1. sensitive passwords - in my memory (not on any other device) 2. firefox settings and pass words - use firefox sync 3. non sensitive passwords - save in a text file on my backup device 4. code, docs etc - mostly under version control - what is not under version control is in specific directories that are manually backed up 5. nginx, apache and other config files - under version control. 6. evolution - use evolution backup and restore. inspite of all this, I invariably lose data - any other tips? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
On Tue, 2012-07-03 at 19:22 +0530, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote: +1 Shrini I am saying this because I am part of other mailing list as well and there are no rules imposed there provided that they do not go out of topic. The idea needs to be simple ask question or provide answer, However just to provide that if there are rules that is when it becomes really difficult :-( especially new people to the group find it very difficult :-( as of now we still have the rule, so please avoid top posting ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 09:43 +0530, Niam Computech wrote: Thanks for sharing link. I didn't know about top/bottom posting and started mailing to this mailing list without reading guidelines properly. My sincere apologies. I have selected few relevant lines from Kenneth's post from my thunderbird and hit reply to post, am I doing right? Or am I still doing top posting? Please guide. well, it has come as a top post. You need to configure thunderbird to set the cursor at the bottom of the quoted text. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] issues with top and bottom posting
On Wed, 2012-07-04 at 09:51 +0530, 0 wrote: Thanks for sharing link. I didn't know about top/bottom posting and started mailing to this mailing list without reading guidelines properly. My sincere apologies. I have selected few relevant lines from Kenneth's post from my thunderbird and hit reply to post, am I doing right? Or am I still doing top posting? Please guide. This is bottom posting. Since, my comment is below your original text, it is easier for people to follow and it visually indicates that it is in reply to your original text. actually this is not bottom posting - it is interleaved posting, which is the correct way of doing things. In bottom posting, there is no trimming of text, and the post is usually under the sig. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
hi, caveat - this is a long Girish-style post full of my personal opinions, so if you continue reading it, do not blame me - you have been warned ;-) First, some background: some years back I attended a foss promotion meeting attended by big shots from IBM, Sun, HP etc. The HP guy was most vehement in supporting open source and attacking Microsoft. I asked why all his ads say 'Compaq recommends Microsoft Windows'. He said that Microsoft pays a big subsidy to any company that puts in that sentence in their ads, so the marketing people put it in. Also Microsoft will not pay if some models come with Linux and the word 'linux' is prominent. If the word is there, it should be in the smallest possible type. At times Acer (and some other companies) release models - usually flagship models - that ship with linux. The rule laid down by Microsoft is that this should be mentioned in small type and the recommendation of Windows in a very prominent position. In short, Microsoft does it's best to see that the term Linux does not get prominence anywhere. So what else is new - we all know this. What we all do not realise is that a lot of companies that produce linux distros - and a lot of people who use the said distros are also helping Microsoft to play down the term Linux. If one looks at the sites of redhat, fedora, suse, debian, mandriva, one finds plentiful mention of the word linux. But the word is missing in the sites of two 'popular' distros - android and ubuntu. If you ask most Linux users what OS they use, they will say 'Linux' (or GNU/Linux). But if you ask people using distros like Ubuntu or android, they will say 'Ubuntu' or 'android'. Similarly hardware companies that ship machines with linux are persuaded to use terms like 'we ship with ubuntu' or 'we ship with android' rather than say 'we ship with linux'. I will not go into how the distros that disown Linux also fail to contribute back to the community ... this is too well known. So let us promote - and encourage others to promote - Linux (or, if you so desire GNU/Linux. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:55 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: [...] If one looks at the sites of redhat, fedora, suse, debian, mandriva, one finds plentiful mention of the word linux. But the word is missing in the sites of two 'popular' distros - android and ubuntu. FWIW, number of times the word linux is visible on page (not in the source of the page): |--+-+---| | Distro | URL | Count | |--+-+---| | Debian | http://www.debian.org/ | 0 | | Fedora | http://fedoraproject.org/ |2* | | Mandriva | http://www.mandriva.com/en/ |12 | | Redhat | http://www.redhat.com/ | 0 | | Suse | http://www.suse.com/|13 | | Ubuntu | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | 0 | |--+-+---| *2 for Fedora, not counting a customer quote which mentions it three times. I said 'site' not 'page'. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 15:47 +0530, 0 wrote: Hope you are not kidding, at least I guess, they should be passive participants in the LUG. I wasn't kidding. I just think, their contribution to the list will be invaluable, even if non-technical, since they have direct contact with the students. I don't expect them to be super active but just emailing once in a while should be no harm. I have been doing FDPs countrwide for the past 6-7 years, and the total number of staff members who have actively or passively joined LUG lists is precisely 0. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:03 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote: I have been doing FDPs countrwide for the past 6-7 years, and the total number of staff members who have actively or passively joined LUG lists is precisely 0. -- Did u threaten them or something? ;-) it is the nature of staff members in our colleges to be terrified of appearing foolish in front of students, so they avoid any forums where there is a possibility of this happening. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 14:46 +0530, 0 wrote: So let us promote - and encourage others to promote - Linux (or, if you so desire GNU/Linux. In my opinion, fragmenting the Linux brand as Ubuntu or Android or other brands is a good thing. For long, one person has embezzled the credit for the work of the entire community. quote Linus Torvalds shared the Linux kernel on some internet groups for MINIX users. Linus first called the operating system Freax. The name Freax came from joining up the English words free and freak, and adding an X to the name because Unix has an X in its name. Ari Lemmke, who worked with Linus at the University, was responsible for the servers that Freax was stored on. Ari did not think Freax was a good name, so he called the project Linux without asking Linus. Later, Linus agreed that Linux was a better name for his project. /quote quote Embezzlement is the act of dishonestly withholding assets for the purpose of conversion (theft), of such assets by one or more individuals to whom such assets have been entrusted, to be held and/or used for other purposes. /quote quote The practice of quoting out of context, sometimes referred to as contextomy or quote mining, is a logical fallacy and a type of false attribution in which a passage is removed from its surrounding matter in such a way as to distort its intended meaning. /quote The context in this post is the huge financial and propaganda effort being put in by Microsoft to prevent the spread of linux (or call it open source or foss) - it is not the ongoing quarrel between various people on the assignment of credit for creating parts of the open source software ecosystem. If you want to have a thread on that subject feel free to start your own. [...] Even though, I support RMS on GNU/Linux name, to fully represent the end product, the name should be totally random or a representation of the community as a whole. unfortunately the train left the station 20 years back. I would say promote Linux as a product but not as a brand. whatever this means -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:35 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: Number of Google search results for linux on site: |--+---| | Search phrase| Count | |--+---| | linux site:debian.org| 2,430,000 | | linux site:fedoraproject.org | 193,000 | | linux site:mandriva.com | 186,000 | | linux site:redhat.com| 1,440,000 | | linux site:suse.com | 159,000 | | linux site:ubuntu.com| 1,460,000 | |--+---| congratulations - I am sure you went through each of these links to find out where they were on the site, in what context they were there, whether they were put there by the authors of the site and how visible they are to the viewers of the site. And here's one more which you can add to your collection of useless statistics: site:microsoft.com linux322,000 -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] 3 days FDP program at AMS college
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 16:47 +0530, ravi jaya wrote: I've organised FDP as a student volunteer, working closely with the staff members (one and half years back). From my observation, most of them attended FDPs just for the certificates. +1, Even I heard from some faculty's they used to bunk these workshops , skip one or two day in between, they would be prompt on the last day to collect their certifications. they usually stay until the free lunch before bunking -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:30 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote: @Kenneth - Which distro you use often? And why? Strangely enough, I recall Kenneth using Ubuntu :) that is why I am qualified to talk about the advantages (for me and my family) of using fedora over Ubuntu. I have used it for years, and still spend a lot of time using it in helping my students to debug their problems (many of them have ubuntu). Most people who rave about ubuntu have no experience of other distros and are not qualified to compare. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 17:32 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: congratulations - I am sure you went through each of these links to find out where they were on the site, in what context they were there, whether they were put there by the authors of the site and how visible they are to the viewers of the site. Those were just some random stats I found after reading your original FUD. But then, I'm sure that when you were saying site and not page, you went through all the sites to do your due diligence? yes I did - spent some hours looking at the sites in question from the end user perspective to get an overall impression on how much importance is given to linux. And here's one more which you can add to your collection of useless statistics: site:microsoft.com linux322,000 Why is that useless? this one is better site:microsoft.com how to remove linux 28,800 results According to the Linux Foundation [1], Microsoft was one of the largest corporate contributors of Linux in 2011. [1] http://arstechnica.com/business/2012/04/linux-kernel-in-2011-15-million-total-lines-of-code-and-microsoft-is-a-top-contributor/ I am sure you read all the comments on this article. And of course the original pdf from the linux foundation. quote It is amusing to note that Linus Torvalds (1,113 total changes, 231 since 2.6.35) does not appear in either top-30 list of contributors. /quote wow - $bill contributes more to the kernel than Linus! In general, it is a fallacy to equate number of lines of code contributed to contribution as such. A lot of other factors need to be considered - these factors are adequately explained in the pdf and in the comments on the article itself. 1% of the total contributed code - where the contribution is completely self serving ... -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 18:35 +0530, 0 wrote: whatever this means What that means is, the word Linux is not important. Promote the features, softwares, and the freedom that GNU/Linux offers. this is precisely what I am saying. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] why it is important to promote linux
On Mon, 2012-07-02 at 23:16 +0530, Arun Prakash wrote: Example- How many people like beer? Beer is beer right? Thunderbolt is beer, haywards is beer, tuborg is beer, kingfisher is beer. Now all these are beer brands, do they have to write on labels everywhere that they are beer. When someone goes to wineshop and asks for haywards, the guy on counter knows he is asking for beer. Its not the matter of beer, it is like Dalda and Xerox . Most people donot know that it is Vanaspathi and Photocopy. good analogy -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Thunderbird mail client work behind the proxy or not
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 10:43 +0530, Marikkannan Rajagopal wrote: the client system are accessing the internet through squid proxy.Now i want to configure the Mozilla thunderbird in all client systems.But it cannot accessing through squid proxy. from what I recall, you need to open the smtp and pop/imap ports in your firewall. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:24 +0530, Niam Computech wrote: I would have appreciated ILUGC if guys would have come forward asking that if Niam PCs can support Fedora or Mandriva or Gentoo or Mint etc rather than fighting over if someone is biased towards Ubuntu. Is it a crime to pick Ubuntu over others? certainly not. But it is not very nice to say it is the best, most popular distro with the best support and community. @Kenneth - Which distro you use often? And why? fedora - it has the latest libraries for my type programming which ubuntu does not have. Wife and kids also like it as the distro treats them well (all of us had our honeymoon with ubuntu and got fed up). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Thu, 2012-06-28 at 15:26 +0530, Sundaram KR wrote: kenneth wrote: as is fedora, suse, mandriva, debian, mint ... you just antagonised a good part of the LUG community Speak for yourself. Why should anyone get antagonised that someone is offering Ubuntu PCs. If you dont use it or like it, dont buy. I did not get antagonised by him offing ubuntu - dell is doing it, I am not bothered (I wont buy of course). What antagonises me is the tone used by ubuntu fanbhois - that ubuntu is the best greatest etc etc. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Ubuntu powered Laptops and Desktops
On Wed, 2012-06-27 at 19:16 +0530, Niam Computech Private Limited wrote: @Tushar - Ubuntu is inclined more towards end-user with nice UI and loaded apps. Also, the LTS support is awesome with such a large community. Unity HUD just rocks. as is fedora, suse, mandriva, debian, mint ... you just antagonised a good part of the LUG community -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] How to setup an E-Mail Relay Host with Sendmail ?
On Sat, 2012-06-23 at 20:54 +0530, Yuvaraj wrote: I need help on How to setup an E-Mail Relay Host with Sendmail ? Is sendmail a requirement? If not use postfix. The default installation should work. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Free CAD/AUTOCAD Software
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 09:38 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: That's the state of our nation. Draftsmen who think they are engineers and engineers who forget that any software is a tool. At least this shallowness is currently limited to the college educated lot in our country :) Wonder when car drivers are going to demand a BMW to get employed. do you mean to say this different in foreign? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Free CAD/AUTOCAD Software
On Mon, 2012-06-25 at 12:10 +0530, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: I hope that helps, Kingsley For drafting alone, IMHO, Autocad is an overkill. And there is freecad. http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/free-cad/index.php?title=Main_Page qcad handles my (albeit limited) needs. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Free CAD/AUTOCAD Software
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 14:12 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: do you mean to say this different in foreign? From my individual experience with the automotive industry: Very different. At least in core engineering. I don't know about IT I am talking about IT. From the feedback I get from the people I know in various countries, the people in the 'mainstream' behave a lot like our own people. As for core engineering, I do not know much, but our guys seem reasonably competent. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Learning C coding
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 15:48 +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: It also requires memory power as is the case with UNIX and perl in general. strange, I thought C was indicated when one wants to cut memory usage. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Learning C coding
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 18:45 +0800, Bharathi Subramanian wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 6:35 PM, kenneth gonsalves wrote: It also requires memory power as is the case with UNIX and perl in general. strange, I thought C was indicated when one wants to cut memory usage. I hope, Girish referring the human memory and KG referring the computer memory :) afaik human memory power is only useful to pass exams (and maybe to conduct religious ceremonies - what does it have to do with programming ability? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Learning C coding
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 17:47 +0530, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 5:23 PM, kenneth gonsalves law...@thenilgiris.com wrote: afaik human memory power is only useful to pass exams (and maybe to conduct religious ceremonies - what does it have to do with programming ability? The syntax mandates more memory than a few other languages. For eg, const char* is different from char const*. Though all languages have it, C, Perl and other such languages needs a lot more things to be remembered when compared to languages like Python. Also, manpages are not available by default. So, if you forget what the parameters to send() are, you are lost if you don't have manpages-dev installed. But in Python(and I guess with Perl as well), you can afford to do help(something) from the interpreter(or perldoc -f something for perl). Thanks makes some sense - my memory is horrible and I always have to look up even the simplest things again and again. This actually helps my programming because constant reference to the documents keeps me aware of changes and new ways to solve problems. With the internet available at our finger tips, the lack of man pages should not be that much of a problem - unless one is in an environment where one is denied access. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] python workshop
hi, I and a couple of young friends from Palakkadu conducted a two day python workshop in Trivandrum the other day. It was a very unusual event as students of several colleges along with IEEE and CSI conducted the event jointly. There were talks on various technical subjects along with workshops on python, embedded, security, robotics, mathlab etc. Our workshop was held in Mar Baselios engineering college on the first day and the College of Engineering Trivandrum on the second day. One college provided debian systems and the other gave us ubuntu. Around 60 students attended the workshop and most of them were able to complete the assignments. Organisation was solely by students, and the model deserves to be emulated. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] C coding tricks on UNIX
On Tue, 2012-06-26 at 21:05 +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: In C everything counts. A comma, a ; and so on. That is true with other languages; for instance in Python, whitespace counts. Ugh. this is contradictory - you say everything counts in C, and then you say whitespace does not count. Make up your mind. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] the vi editor
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 09:32 +0530, Girish Venkatachalam wrote: Of course I am talking about real UNIX which nobody in LUG seems to know. only you know this? Why would anyone in the LUG want to know this? As pointed out to you, this is a LUG not a UUG. If you want to spout opinions like this I suggest you go join a UUG. And if Indian ways of doing things do not suit you, you are always free to migrate. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Request for Comments - new website for ILUGC
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 23:53 +0530, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote: This is just my opinion that Wordpress websites have been often compromised to serve malware :-( that is the downside of using something easy to set up -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] the vi editor
On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 00:18 +0530, Rajagopal Swaminathan wrote: IIRC ubuntu's default editor is gedit and it is one of the more popular gnu/linux distros. In any case why would knowledge of usage of text editor = to knowledge of an os? I only hope that you are joking and that intent was lost over the interwebs. It seems you have not worked on servers which boot up to init 3 only... joe is there - so is nano -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Older PC's [OT]
On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 12:06 +0530, Arun Venkataswamy wrote: கற்றது கைமண் அளவு, கல்லாதது உலகளவு - ஔவையார் Known is a drop, Unknown is an ocean should this not be: learned is a drop, not learned is an ocean even allowing for poetic license in substituting 'drop' for 'as big as a handful of earth' and ocean for 'as big as the planet/world' sorry - could not help the nitpick -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Pros and Cons representing Software
On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 17:19 +0530, Balasubramaniam Natarajan wrote: Does any one know what is the best software for listing out Pros and Cons on Ubuntu. I not wise enough to make Google search understand that I am not looking for pros and cons of Ubuntu rather a software which I could use on Ubuntu to represent them :-( I know many are going to laugh at this post. Why am I ending up in this sort of trouble mostly ? I am laughing -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] [X]On stupid comments of Torvalds
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 20:15 +0530, A. Mani wrote: http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/168555/ in my opinion this is rubbish. People who contribute for selfless reasons rarely last long. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Why these emails, Girish? (Was Re: the vi editor)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 17:34 +0530, Sriram Karra wrote: One of the interesting things about this list is this series of monologue-mode gyaan mails from Girish. I wonder if there is some history behind these, etc. Or does the list serve as a brain dump area for the current 'regulars'. Just curious, nothing else. it is only Girish - the rest of the LUG is functioning as it has been all these years. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] Why these emails, Girish? (Was Re: the vi editor)
On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 21:13 +0530, Vignesh Nandha Kumar wrote: I hope, there are beginners in the list who benefit from his emails and the following discussions. But I'm really worried that beginners shouldn't be misled by his subjective views. I keep replying to his mails whenever I feel something is absurd and I'm clear about the topic. Anyway, as he doesn't respond to any of the replies, I'm afraid people may stop replying and ignore such mails. Because when that happens, the beginners would be clueless of what is right and what is wrong among his statements. Can this be considered trolling? he is not a troll - he is very talented, but is unable to distinguish between opinion and fact. A troll has the main purpose to create flames - since he ignores any attempt to flame him he is obviously not a troll. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
[Ilugc] duckduckgo
hi, is it just me, or has duckduckgo stopped giving results? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
Re: [Ilugc] duckduckgo
On Mon, 2012-06-11 at 12:27 +0530, kenneth gonsalves wrote: is it just me, or has duckduckgo stopped giving results? working now -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves ___ ILUGC Mailing List: http://www.ae.iitm.ac.in/mailman/listinfo/ilugc
