Re: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks!
Hi, I am to joining your discussion for python. Can you tell which is better, PHP or python and why? thanks Umesh - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 21:14 Subject: RE: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks! > I recall a dicussion which I started on the subject "I want to learn a new programming language: Which one?" in late March 2003, on ilugd, (Unfortunately not on archives). I had Perl in mind when I framed those questions. But this article and my own convictions and study of similar questions at other forums, I decided to move to Python. > > Though on personal front I have been highly pre-occupied, I have kept a slow pace of study on Python, and I find it fairly easy to pick up. I have also collected some useful learning resources on Python, and putting to a CD. I hope some day I can distribute and discuss such a CD, as an ilugd resource. > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote > > Quote: > > In the beginning of your technical career, it takes an effort to learn and understand a programming language but as you go along, language syntax (and programming) takes the back seat and design (and testing) carry majority of the load. > > Unquote: > > This is exactly where Python has gained a big ground.It is a very popular as a prototyping language. Designers use it to design a prototype system, independent of performance considerations.Then leave it to the implementor, who has a much better clarity of what is required of him, and then implements it with the language / component appropirate. Microsoft Merchant Server v1.0 was in Python and moved to C++ by v3.0 > > Quote: > Picking a programming language to learn is important and so, pick a language that you think you are going to use in foreseeable future. If you are not sure which one you will be using, pick the one that is most popular and more important, most easy to use. Trying to learn a language that claims to be extremely powerful, flexible, structured, etc. etc. will not help if you end up spending countless hours figuring out what its few lines of code mean. Not only will you feel intimidated by the language, it is very likely that you will end up losing interest in the programming itself. > Unquote: > > Those guiding principles are taking most new learners to Visual Basic, and most people end up designing good screens and simple "Classroom apps". Python introduces better programming concepts such as Lists, Tuples, Dictionary etc before you can do something serious with Python. I do'nt say that they are not present in other languages, but most VB learners do'nt do it. In fact I am still looking for a good Visual Basic vs Python study, and I am not interested in the freedom debate, but strict Language Comparisons. There is one at http://www.jvoegele.com/software/langcomp.html > > Quote: > And if you are already passed that stage, and feel comfortable with couple of programming languages already, it should be of least concern what programming language to learn next since the basic drill is pretty much the same - pick up a book, write test programs, get onto the mailing list and voila! > > My professor once said - "If you know one programming language well, you can claim to know them all". > Unquote: > > Thats generally right. But most people who did not have an opportunity to do anything after a BASIC / FORTRAN / COBOL course in the University / College, are totally lost at new Object Oriented Programming Languages. There was no GUI Programming or Event based Programming in a GUI environment as we know now, and no Web/Internet programming as is frequently required these days. Python helps people of older generation to pickup from something they learnt in a "Non-commercial" Environment, and move on to modern concepts as per their convenience. Indirectly, can a 10 line program which a student did in GWBASIC can work as it is in Visual Basic?? The common word BASIC in the two, prompts one to think so. Whereas it is more likely to run between GWBASIC/QBASIC/YABASIC/...on any platform!! > > One more comment; We have moved from a Standard Languages (ANSI/ISO/..) to Proprietary/ Quasi-Proprietary languages. In some way, Python being Open Source and Cross Platform, brings the advantage of learning a Standard Language, and still be employable on any platform. No wonder, many American Schools and Colleges have moved to Python as a first programming language, after doing Pascal-> C -> C++ in previous years. > > One other winning factor: Python is a glue language. It glues into existing systems and projects. So someone can do a Python in between a Perl / Win32 COM / C++ / Java based project!! > > > Anand Shankar > > ___ > ilugd mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks!
Can you please send me some of the resource link to learn python. kedar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks! I recall a dicussion which I started on the subject "I want to learn a new programming language: Which one?" in late March 2003, on ilugd, (Unfortunately not on archives). I had Perl in mind when I framed those questions. But this article and my own convictions and study of similar questions at other forums, I decided to move to Python. Though on personal front I have been highly pre-occupied, I have kept a slow pace of study on Python, and I find it fairly easy to pick up. I have also collected some useful learning resources on Python, and putting to a CD. I hope some day I can distribute and discuss such a CD, as an ilugd resource. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Quote: In the beginning of your technical career, it takes an effort to learn and understand a programming language but as you go along, language syntax (and programming) takes the back seat and design (and testing) carry majority of the load. Unquote: This is exactly where Python has gained a big ground.It is a very popular as a prototyping language. Designers use it to design a prototype system, independent of performance considerations.Then leave it to the implementor, who has a much better clarity of what is required of him, and then implements it with the language / component appropirate. Microsoft Merchant Server v1.0 was in Python and moved to C++ by v3.0 Quote: Picking a programming language to learn is important and so, pick a language that you think you are going to use in foreseeable future. If you are not sure which one you will be using, pick the one that is most popular and more important, most easy to use. Trying to learn a language that claims to be extremely powerful, flexible, structured, etc. etc. will not help if you end up spending countless hours figuring out what its few lines of code mean. Not only will you feel intimidated by the language, it is very likely that you will end up losing interest in the programming itself. Unquote: Those guiding principles are taking most new learners to Visual Basic, and most people end up designing good screens and simple "Classroom apps". Python introduces better programming concepts such as Lists, Tuples, Dictionary etc before you can do something serious with Python. I do'nt say that they are not present in other languages, but most VB learners do'nt do it. In fact I am still looking for a good Visual Basic vs Python study, and I am not interested in the freedom debate, but strict Language Comparisons. There is one at http://www.jvoegele.com/software/langcomp.html Quote: And if you are already passed that stage, and feel comfortable with couple of programming languages already, it should be of least concern what programming language to learn next since the basic drill is pretty much the same - pick up a book, write test programs, get onto the mailing list and voila! My professor once said - "If you know one programming language well, you can claim to know them all". Unquote: Thats generally right. But most people who did not have an opportunity to do anything after a BASIC / FORTRAN / COBOL course in the University / College, are totally lost at new Object Oriented Programming Languages. There was no GUI Programming or Event based Programming in a GUI environment as we know now, and no Web/Internet programming as is frequently required these days. Python helps people of older generation to pickup from something they learnt in a "Non-commercial" Environment, and move on to modern concepts as per their convenience. Indirectly, can a 10 line program which a student did in GWBASIC can work as it is in Visual Basic?? The common word BASIC in the two, prompts one to think so. Whereas it is more likely to run between GWBASIC/QBASIC/YABASIC/...on any platform!! One more comment; We have moved from a Standard Languages (ANSI/ISO/..) to Proprietary/ Quasi-Proprietary languages. In some way, Python being Open Source and Cross Platform, brings the advantage of learning a Standard Language, and still be employable on any platform. No wonder, many American Schools and Colleges have moved to Python as a first programming language, after doing Pascal-> C -> C++ in previous years. One other winning factor: Python is a glue language. It glues into existing systems and projects. So someone can do a Python in between a Perl / Win32 COM / C++ / Java based project!! Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
RE: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks!
I recall a dicussion which I started on the subject "I want to learn a new programming language: Which one?" in late March 2003, on ilugd, (Unfortunately not on archives). I had Perl in mind when I framed those questions. But this article and my own convictions and study of similar questions at other forums, I decided to move to Python. Though on personal front I have been highly pre-occupied, I have kept a slow pace of study on Python, and I find it fairly easy to pick up. I have also collected some useful learning resources on Python, and putting to a CD. I hope some day I can distribute and discuss such a CD, as an ilugd resource. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Quote: In the beginning of your technical career, it takes an effort to learn and understand a programming language but as you go along, language syntax (and programming) takes the back seat and design (and testing) carry majority of the load. Unquote: This is exactly where Python has gained a big ground.It is a very popular as a prototyping language. Designers use it to design a prototype system, independent of performance considerations.Then leave it to the implementor, who has a much better clarity of what is required of him, and then implements it with the language / component appropirate. Microsoft Merchant Server v1.0 was in Python and moved to C++ by v3.0 Quote: Picking a programming language to learn is important and so, pick a language that you think you are going to use in foreseeable future. If you are not sure which one you will be using, pick the one that is most popular and more important, most easy to use. Trying to learn a language that claims to be extremely powerful, flexible, structured, etc. etc. will not help if you end up spending countless hours figuring out what its few lines of code mean. Not only will you feel intimidated by the language, it is very likely that you will end up losing interest in the programming itself. Unquote: Those guiding principles are taking most new learners to Visual Basic, and most people end up designing good screens and simple "Classroom apps". Python introduces better programming concepts such as Lists, Tuples, Dictionary etc before you can do something serious with Python. I do'nt say that they are not present in other languages, but most VB learners do'nt do it. In fact I am still looking for a good Visual Basic vs Python study, and I am not interested in the freedom debate, but strict Language Comparisons. There is one at http://www.jvoegele.com/software/langcomp.html Quote: And if you are already passed that stage, and feel comfortable with couple of programming languages already, it should be of least concern what programming language to learn next since the basic drill is pretty much the same - pick up a book, write test programs, get onto the mailing list and voila! My professor once said - "If you know one programming language well, you can claim to know them all". Unquote: Thats generally right. But most people who did not have an opportunity to do anything after a BASIC / FORTRAN / COBOL course in the University / College, are totally lost at new Object Oriented Programming Languages. There was no GUI Programming or Event based Programming in a GUI environment as we know now, and no Web/Internet programming as is frequently required these days. Python helps people of older generation to pickup from something they learnt in a "Non-commercial" Environment, and move on to modern concepts as per their convenience. Indirectly, can a 10 line program which a student did in GWBASIC can work as it is in Visual Basic?? The common word BASIC in the two, prompts one to think so. Whereas it is more likely to run between GWBASIC/QBASIC/YABASIC/...on any platform!! One more comment; We have moved from a Standard Languages (ANSI/ISO/..) to Proprietary/ Quasi-Proprietary languages. In some way, Python being Open Source and Cross Platform, brings the advantage of learning a Standard Language, and still be employable on any platform. No wonder, many American Schools and Colleges have moved to Python as a first programming language, after doing Pascal-> C -> C++ in previous years. One other winning factor: Python is a glue language. It glues into existing systems and projects. So someone can do a Python in between a Perl / Win32 COM / C++ / Java based project!! Anand Shankar ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Help reg. use of Wine thr. Linux
Hi, I have latest 9.0 RH CDs. For getting the same, pl.contact me offlist of ILUGD. It will cost u Rs.50/-per CD (three CDs) plus Rs.20/- on a/c of courier charges. you may send me a draft for Rs.170/- favouring Malkiat Singh payable at Ludhiana. My add is : Malkiat Singh (EDP Deptt) c/o Oswal Woollen Mills Limited, Sherpur, G.T.Road, Ludhiana-141003 Phone No.0161-2542501 (Extn.No.254) After receipt of DD, CDs wud be dispatched to you imediately. malkiat satish khatri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi on studying ext2 and ext3 file systems i found that starting block(or physical sector) for inode tables in a group differ from version, block size and partition size. Can anyone please help me out by telling me a general formula to locate starting sector (or block number) of inode tables in a group. Those groups which have super block and group descriptor block, Inode table location can be found easily. but those groups which don't have super block and group descriptor block there is no general formula. please help me out thanx bye On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 MALKIAT BENIPAL wrote : >Hello guys, > >I have learnt that wine provides both a development toolkit >(Winelib) for porting windows sources to Unix and a program >loader, allowing many unmodified windows binaries to run on >x86-based Unix, including Linux, FreeBSD and solaris. Since I >have never used it earlier and I have downloaded a file for >playing MP3 files in linux namely MusicMatch Jukebox, one of the >best music player and winning three awards for the best music >player in a row. As this application runs through Wine only and >it has an extention of .sh (a script file). I tried to install it >directly from a shell prompt but it gives "check sum error" which >is due to the condition of its use through wine. >I use Mandrake 9.0 and the file that I had downloaded for wine >is wine-20030813.tar. Pl.let me know how it is used with other >windows binaries to run them in linux. Is wine already supplied >with Mandrake 9.0 and installed during its installation ? > >Thanks in advance, > > > > > >MALKIAT > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >___ >ilugd mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd SOLDIER NEVER QUITS TILL HE IS DEAD. REGARDS SATISH KHATRI ___ Meet your old school or college friends from 1 Million + database... Click here to reunite www.batchmates.com/rediff.asp ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd MALKIAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Re: [LIH](fwd) exim remote heap overflow, probably not exploitable
Raj Mathur [9/4/2003 7:38 AM] : [please upgrade if you use Exim < v4.21 -- Raju] This bugtraq post is a bit of old news. Also, 4.21 had assorted IPV6 bugs in it and was reverted pretty soon. 4.22 is current, I'd recommend you move to that. srs ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] (fwd) [COMMERCIAL] Site proformance manager requirement
[Forwarding without prejudice. Please respond directly to Vikas -- Raju] This is an RFC 1153 digest. (1 message) -- MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C3723A.20BE06E0" Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: "Vikas Agarwal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Site proformance manager requirement Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 16:40:47 +0530 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C3723A.20BE06E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Raju, This is the requirement I have. As discussed, please forward the = requirement to appropriate people. Thanks, Vikas JobsAhead=20 Job Title: Site performance manager Experience: 4 to 5 yrs Education: B.E/B.Tech (Computers or Electronics/ Telecom or Electrical = or Instrumentation or Mechanical), MCA Key Skills: Linux, Unix, Apache, MySql, Oracle The person will be solely responsible for web and database servers = uptime and speed. The responsibilities include - Doing site infrastructure scalability analysis and providing = innovative solutions to always keep pace with increasing traffic on web = and database servers - Managing 365x24x7 uptime of website and database servers - Ensuring high speed of processing of all the transactions - Ensuring information security - Establishing strong disaster recovery mechanisms Essential requirement: =20 - Good Analytical skills for Linux servers' performance benchmarking = and tuning=20 - Strong Linux and related modules installation & maintenance = experience=20 - Hands on knowledge of software such as Apache, MySql,Mod-Perl etc. = - Good knowledge of Mail Servers, Security Systems etc.=20 --=_NextPart_000_00AE_01C3723A.20BE06E0-- -- End of this Digest ** -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] delete files log
> "Alok" == Alok Sinha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Alok> [snip] Alok> If you need to know all the files missing in your system [nb Alok> config]# for i in `rpm -qa` ; do echo $i; rpm --verify $i; Alok> done The above will list all the files that are missing, Alok> modified or changed on your system, since they were Alok> installed on you system. ... or maybe just: rpm -Va Alok> [more snip] -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] (fwd) exim remote heap overflow, probably not exploitable
[please upgrade if you use Exim < v4.21 -- Raju] This is an RFC 1153 digest. (1 message) -- Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Nick Cleaton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: exim remote heap overflow, probably not exploitable Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 07:00:34 +0100 Exim (www.exim.org) is a message transfer agent (MTA) developed at the University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the Internet. There's a heap overflow in all versions of exim3 and exim4 prior to version 4.21. It can be exercised by anyone who can make an SMTP connection to the exim daemon. The overflow is very limited, and in my opinion it's probably not exploitable. However, it's possible that this will prove to be exploitable for arbitrary command execution on some platforms in some circumstances. Patches: http://www.exim.org/pipermail/exim-announce/2003q3/94.html Full details coming soon to vuln-dev. -- Nick Cleaton [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End of this Digest ** -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] cds required
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RE: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks!
I have been observing this thread for a while now and have been thinking ever since to put in my 2 bits but been too busy lately. Finally, managed to find some time today and here it is. In the beginning of your technical career, it takes an effort to learn and understand a programming language but as you go along, language syntax (and programming) takes the back seat and design (and testing) carry majority of the load. Picking a programming language to learn is important and so, pick a language that you think you are going to use in foreseeable future. If you are not sure which one you will be using, pick the one that is most popular and more important, most easy to use. Trying to learn a language that claims to be extremely powerful, flexible, structured, etc. etc. will not help if you end up spending countless hours figuring out what its few lines of code mean. Not only will you feel intimidated by the language, it is very likely that you will end up losing interest in the programming itself. And if you are already passed that stage, and feel comfortable with couple of programming languages already, it should be of least concern what programming language to learn next since the basic drill is pretty much the same - pick up a book, write test programs, get onto the mailing list and voila! My professor once said - "If you know one programming language well, you can claim to know them all". Regards, Nishi > -Original Message- > From: Viksit Gaur [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 1:55 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; The Linux-Delhi mailing list > Subject: Re: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks! > > > Well, thanks to the combined efforts of the people on > this list, and LinuxLingam, not to mention #linux at > freenode, i've decided to learn python instead of > Java. > > Hehe, thanks! > > But, i do wonder. after using so many languages > limited by braces, isnt python something which takes > time to get used to? or is this just a fancy i have? > > vik > > --- LinuxLingam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > However, a general culture that I have observed in > > Perl hackers is that the > > > more you know the language, the more you are prone > > to use real complex > > > code. Beautiful code != optimized code, in > > perl-land. IF there is more than > > > one way to do it, then perl users are more prone > > to do it in away that > > > reduces keystrokes, and hence ... > > > > > > Very difficult to do it in languages like Python > > and Java. > > > > this is a *deliberate* design in python. > > general rule of code: it will evolve, ad infinitum, > > unless you fork, or > > outgrow your initial architectural limitations. > > hence it is good practice to have code > > 'comprehensible' to various eyeballs: > > past, present, future. > > > > however, this is not a flame-war. as several people > > point out, > > programming-language agnostism is a great idea. > > knowing python, perl, java, > > c, c++, and a few more is a more pragmatic approach > > to take to serious > > developing > > > > okay, so i deliberately loaded that initial posting > > to ilug-d, since for the > > past few months i discovered the interest-level > > towards python was rather low > > in ilug-d, and not so on other ilugs in india. its > > also quite hot in other > > parts of the world. anand, great to know you taught > > yourself python. sandip > > also knows it. supreet is our resident > > python-charmer. > > would be nice to have a show of hands. > > > > > > :-) > > LL > > > > ___ > > ilugd mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > > = > viksit gaur http://viksit.tripod.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Linux. The choice of a GNU generation. > New eh? > I tried sniffing coke once, but the ice cubes seemed to get > in the way... > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ___ > ilugd mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming. thanks!
Well, thanks to the combined efforts of the people on this list, and LinuxLingam, not to mention #linux at freenode, i've decided to learn python instead of Java. Hehe, thanks! But, i do wonder. after using so many languages limited by braces, isnt python something which takes time to get used to? or is this just a fancy i have? vik --- LinuxLingam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > However, a general culture that I have observed in > Perl hackers is that the > > more you know the language, the more you are prone > to use real complex > > code. Beautiful code != optimized code, in > perl-land. IF there is more than > > one way to do it, then perl users are more prone > to do it in away that > > reduces keystrokes, and hence ... > > > > Very difficult to do it in languages like Python > and Java. > > this is a *deliberate* design in python. > general rule of code: it will evolve, ad infinitum, > unless you fork, or > outgrow your initial architectural limitations. > hence it is good practice to have code > 'comprehensible' to various eyeballs: > past, present, future. > > however, this is not a flame-war. as several people > point out, > programming-language agnostism is a great idea. > knowing python, perl, java, > c, c++, and a few more is a more pragmatic approach > to take to serious > developing > > okay, so i deliberately loaded that initial posting > to ilug-d, since for the > past few months i discovered the interest-level > towards python was rather low > in ilug-d, and not so on other ilugs in india. its > also quite hot in other > parts of the world. anand, great to know you taught > yourself python. sandip > also knows it. supreet is our resident > python-charmer. > would be nice to have a show of hands. > > > :-) > LL > > ___ > ilugd mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd = viksit gaur http://viksit.tripod.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux. The choice of a GNU generation. New eh? I tried sniffing coke once, but the ice cubes seemed to get in the way... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] delete files log
Normally there is no undelete command under Linux. But I came across a utility which claims to be able to do so. I haven't tried it. You may like to try.Check the freeware at - http://www.r-tt.com/RLinux.shtml -- narsingh --- Alok Sinha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the file deleted is not a user data file and is > an application > related file, the same can be found out by verifying > the rpm package. > > If you give the following command > > [nb config]# rpm --verify bind > S.5. c /etc/rndc.key > missing d > /usr/share/doc/bind-9.2.1/rfc/rfc3110.txt.gz > > _ the above command shows, that the file > /usr/share/doc/bind-9.2.1/rfc/rfc3110.txt.gz is > missing. > > If you need to know all the files missing in your > system > [nb config]# for i in `rpm -qa` ; do echo $i; rpm > --verify $i; done > The above will list all the files that are missing, > modified or changed > on your system, since they were installed on you > system. > > The above command will not work for the applications > installed by > compiling directly on the system. (non-rpm based > installations) > > regards, > alok sinha > > amit sharma wrote: > > > anyone who is aware if any log gets maintained? > > > > amit > > --- Lokesh Bhog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I do not think there is a log file of deleted > files > > > in > > > Linux in case rm > > > command is used. Please consider restoring it > from > > > backup or reinstalling > > > the service that is affected. > > > > > > Lokesh > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "amit sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:40 AM > > > Subject: [ilugd] delete files log > > > > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > > > where can i find the log of delete files of my > > > redhat > > > > linux 8.0 server? > > > > > > > > someone seems to have deleted a important file > on > > > my > > > > server and i need to trace that. > > > > > > > > please help. F1. > > > > > > > > amit > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web > site > > > design software > > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > ilugd mailing list > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > > design software > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > ___ > > > ilugd mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > ___ > > ilugd mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > > ___ > ilugd mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Yahoo! India Promos: Win TVs, Bikes, DVD players & more! Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Blocking yahoo & msn
> My "fiat" is based on the "Carrot & Stick" concept, the carrot being I > let the user livi in peace. I am reminded of the ancient jungle proverb: talk softly but carry a big quiver full of Bandar poison arrows. If every sysadmin had the power to disturb the peace of his "user", the world's systems would (probably?) have been much better admin'd. > Luckily, perhaps, in my last 3 jobs I have managed to have good > relations with the CEO, and by ensuring that Tech Policies are _signed > and issued_ by him, I ensure his backing for when I hit the user. At > that point, the user has not broken *my* Policy, but the CEO's. You, sir, are absolutely brilliant. This is _precisely_ the missing piece in the sysadm's puzzle, which is also the same as the missing piece in the ERP implementation puzzle, or various other organisational puzzles. The CEO's signature and hand-in-blessing is either absent or is invisible. Users then become monkeys. > Yahoo works in different ways, but will fall back to HTTPS if all else > fails. HTTP may not be good enough, if your proxy is smart enough. > But HTTPS is a direct connect. Doesn't HTTPS also go through the proxy server? Therefore isn't it possible for the proxy server to block it? Or are you referring to the fact that in HTTPS, the URL itself is encrypted and therefore blocking based on strings in the URL doesn't work? Shuvam ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Help reg. use of Wine thr. Linux
hi on studying ext2 and ext3 file systems i found that starting block(or physical sector) for inode tables in a group differ from version, block size and partition size. Can anyone please help me out by telling me a general formula to locate starting sector (or block number) of inode tables in a group. Those groups which have super block and group descriptor block, Inode table location can be found easily. but those groups which don't have super block and group descriptor block there is no general formula. please help me out thanx bye On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 MALKIAT BENIPAL wrote : Hello guys, I have learnt that wine provides both a development toolkit (Winelib) for porting windows sources to Unix and a program loader, allowing many unmodified windows binaries to run on x86-based Unix, including Linux, FreeBSD and solaris. Since I have never used it earlier and I have downloaded a file for playing MP3 files in linux namely MusicMatch Jukebox, one of the best music player and winning three awards for the best music player in a row. As this application runs through Wine only and it has an extention of .sh (a script file). I tried to install it directly from a shell prompt but it gives "check sum error" which is due to the condition of its use through wine. I use Mandrake 9.0 and the file that I had downloaded for wine is wine-20030813.tar. Pl.let me know how it is used with other windows binaries to run them in linux. Is wine already supplied with Mandrake 9.0 and installed during its installation ? Thanks in advance, MALKIAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd SOLDIER NEVER QUITS TILL HE IS DEAD. REGARDS SATISH KHATRI ___ Meet your old school or college friends from 1 Million + database... Click here to reunite www.batchmates.com/rediff.asp ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] absolutely brilliant: spammers hideout
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hi on studying ext2 and ext3 file systems i found that starting block(or physical sector) for inode tables in a group differ from version, block size and partition size. Can anyone please help me out by telling me a general formula to locate starting sector (or block number) of inode tables in a group. Those groups which have super block and group descriptor block, Inode table location can be found easily. but those groups which don't have super block and group descriptor block there is no general formula. please help me out thanx bye SOLDIER NEVER QUITS TILL HE IS DEAD. REGARDS SATISH KHATRI ___ Meet your old school or college friends from 1 Million + database... Click here to reunite www.batchmates.com/rediff.asp ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Mozilla crashes... shift to Netscape Communicator 7 :)
> i do not know what is the problem with mozilla but i know that it is a universal > problem and i have seen this issue on many forums. > > the best solution is to use galleon web browser. it is highly stable and behaves > nicely. > > my advice : shift to galleon. This is the kind of topic on which each of us has his favourite suggestions to offer. :) I have really begun to like Netscape Communicator 7. I used Opera before this; today I like NC7 more than even Opera. Any other users among you guys? What do you think? Shuvam ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Blocking yahoo & msn
On Wednesday, September 03, 2003 6:09 PM [GMT+0800=SGT], Shuvam Misra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Sanjeev "Ghane" Gupta wrote: >> Either you own the network, in which case you can set, and >> enforce, an "Acceptable Use Policy", or you don't, and you >> shouldn't be interfering with traffic. > > As we all (including you, sir) know, this Controlling by Fiat > works only with certain kinds of users or environments. Whether > the user will listen to you depends on what the user believes > will happen to _him_ if he is found disobeying your fiat. My "fiat" is based on the "Carrot & Stick" concept, the carrot being I let the user livi in peace. Luckily, perhaps, in my last 3 jobs I have managed to have good relations with the CEO, and by ensuring that Tech Policies are _signed and issued_ by him, I ensure his backing for when I hit the user. At that point, the user has not broken *my* Policy, but the CEO's. > Coming to these messenger things, some of them can be blocked by > blocking the protocol. If I remember correctly, guys in our > team have done it at certain client sites in the past. I > believe Yahoo Messenger is harder to block because it runs on > HTTP, and looks indistinguishable from other HTTP traffic. This > information is a few years old, though. > > I remember one major corporate network which was complaining > that "Web browsing is terribly slow." We looked. And we found > Yahoo Messenger. We also found that the damn Messenger client > actually _polls_ the server at a steady frequency, even when no > new information is present... it's purely a server-side HTTP > based implementation, with the client initiating a query each > time. This made Yahoo Messenger the only one which could work > through most corporate firewalls (everyone allows HTTP) but > also the most inefficient IM service in terms of bandwidth > utilisation. Yahoo works in different ways, but will fall back to HTTPS if all else fails. HTTP may not be good enough, if your proxy is smart enough. But HTTPS is a direct connect. -- Sanjeev ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Statically linked Vs Module
> Yes , it is true that the user need to be root to insert any module in > the kernel,apart from this there is a lot of way in which this can be > done. Just visit this url : http://blacksun.box.sk/lkm.html Thanks. Will certainly take a look. Shuvam ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Blocking yahoo & msn
On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Sanjeev "Ghane" Gupta wrote: > On Friday, August 29, 2003 9:34 PM [GMT+0800], > Yashpal Nagar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Does anyone have precompiled list of server IPs or any info > > regarding blocking of yahoo messenger & msn messenger. > > In my experience, the best way is to tell users not to use it. Technical > means do not work, you are wasting your time, as Yahoo switches servers > around. > > "Tech" means could work, if you made sure you hired stupid users, of course. > > Either you own the network, in which case you can set, and enforce, an > "Acceptable Use Policy", or you don't, and you shouldn't be interfering with > traffic. As we all (including you, sir) know, this Controlling by Fiat works only with certain kinds of users or environments. Whether the user will listen to you depends on what the user believes will happen to _him_ if he is found disobeying your fiat. Therefore, this approach does not work if the "user" outranks the sysadm in a corporate environment, or in an academic environment where students have never been known to be forced to repeat a year because they used MSN Messenger. (Sad, this last bit.) Therefore, Acceptable Use Policies (AUP), like all other administrative policies, should acquire teeth as much as possible, to deter users from ignoring the policies. Otherwise, it may be better to have no policies at all. Of course, if no automated technical mechanisms can be devised to prevent (or even detect post-facto) these policy infractions, then you have no choice but to depend on Fiat alone. Coming to these messenger things, some of them can be blocked by blocking the protocol. If I remember correctly, guys in our team have done it at certain client sites in the past. I believe Yahoo Messenger is harder to block because it runs on HTTP, and looks indistinguishable from other HTTP traffic. This information is a few years old, though. I remember one major corporate network which was complaining that "Web browsing is terribly slow." We looked. And we found Yahoo Messenger. We also found that the damn Messenger client actually _polls_ the server at a steady frequency, even when no new information is present... it's purely a server-side HTTP based implementation, with the client initiating a query each time. This made Yahoo Messenger the only one which could work through most corporate firewalls (everyone allows HTTP) but also the most inefficient IM service in terms of bandwidth utilisation. Is my understanding of Yahoo Messenger correct? Please confirm/deny. Shuvam ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] cds required
hi, i m tamjit. i am searching for the cds of redhat 9.0 or mandrake 9.1 . please can anyone help me who have these cds. please mail me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tamjit ___ Law meets Electronics; Veena Weds Sanjay. Rediff Matchmaker strikes another interesting match !! Visit http://rediff.com/matchmaker?1 ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
[ilugd] Help reg. use of Wine thr. Linux
Hello guys, I have learnt that wine provides both a development toolkit (Winelib) for porting windows sources to Unix and a program loader, allowing many unmodified windows binaries to run on x86-based Unix, including Linux, FreeBSD and solaris. Since I have never used it earlier and I have downloaded a file for playing MP3 files in linux namely MusicMatch Jukebox, one of the best music player and winning three awards for the best music player in a row. As this application runs through Wine only and it has an extention of .sh (a script file). I tried to install it directly from a shell prompt but it gives "check sum error" which is due to the condition of its use through wine. I use Mandrake 9.0 and the file that I had downloaded for wine is wine-20030813.tar. Pl.let me know how it is used with other windows binaries to run them in linux. Is wine already supplied with Mandrake 9.0 and installed during its installation ? Thanks in advance, MALKIAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] delete files log
If the file deleted is not a user data file and is an application related file, the same can be found out by verifying the rpm package. If you give the following command [nb config]# rpm --verify bind S.5. c /etc/rndc.key missing d /usr/share/doc/bind-9.2.1/rfc/rfc3110.txt.gz _ the above command shows, that the file /usr/share/doc/bind-9.2.1/rfc/rfc3110.txt.gz is missing. If you need to know all the files missing in your system [nb config]# for i in `rpm -qa` ; do echo $i; rpm --verify $i; done The above will list all the files that are missing, modified or changed on your system, since they were installed on you system. The above command will not work for the applications installed by compiling directly on the system. (non-rpm based installations) regards, alok sinha amit sharma wrote: > anyone who is aware if any log gets maintained? > > amit > --- Lokesh Bhog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I do not think there is a log file of deleted files > > in > > Linux in case rm > > command is used. Please consider restoring it from > > backup or reinstalling > > the service that is affected. > > > > Lokesh > > - Original Message - > > From: "amit sharma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "The Linux-Delhi mailing list" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 2:40 AM > > Subject: [ilugd] delete files log > > > > > > > hi, > > > > > > where can i find the log of delete files of my > > redhat > > > linux 8.0 server? > > > > > > someone seems to have deleted a important file on > > my > > > server and i need to trace that. > > > > > > please help. F1. > > > > > > amit > > > > > > > > > __ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > > > ___ > > > ilugd mailing list > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site > > design software > > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > > > ___ > > ilugd mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > ___ > ilugd mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
Re: [ilugd] Re: python perl programming
> - Sandip > > P.S. I have had enough flame wars about Perl on this > list. I would not like > to continue with this. > hm.. this didnt look like a flame war to me, anywayz... -Gaurav > -- > Sandip Bhattacharya > http://www.sandipb.net > sandip at puroga.com > Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. > http://www.puroga.com > > ___ > ilugd mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com ___ ilugd mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd
