[ilugd] [OT]
The stink of the Sonny Bono act[1] in India. - Sandip [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bollywood_classics_have_run_out_of_copyright_life/articleshow/2747020.cms [...] Considering that the copyright life of films, much like written works, is 60 years, Bollywood bigwigs like Yash Raj Chopra and business chambers like FICCI have demanded that this be increased, like in the US, to 95 years from the date a film is made. [...] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] High throughput FTP Server
A few months back I successfully used G4L [Ghost For Linux] to backup and restore disk images over the network. I used the technique to build 45 new PCs, with upto about 5 machines being restored at the same time. I used to get fantastic speeds 20MB/s or even more. Subsequently we made many more images and it became a routine practice. http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg17738.html However, recently we started getting low data transfer rates less than 5MB/s and many a times recovery fails, on some strange reason, suspecting network issues. Given that disk images and such data transfers are of the order of 6-10 GB per image, I am concerned on the FTP Server performance. I am using standard vsftpd on a Fedora 7 box with 2GB RAM. Are there any tweaks on my server side which will facilitate high throughputs? What other diagonastics should I run to figure out the root cause of problem? Any info on the kind of specific flags I should lookout in Wireshark? TIA anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] High throughput FTP Server
On Jan 31, 2008 6:12 PM, Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few months back I successfully used G4L [Ghost For Linux] to backup and restore disk images over the network. I used the technique to build 45 new PCs, with upto about 5 machines being restored at the same time. I used to get fantastic speeds 20MB/s or even more. Subsequently we made many more images and it became a routine practice. http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/msg17738.html However, recently we started getting low data transfer rates less than 5MB/s and many a times recovery fails, on some strange reason, suspecting network issues. Given that disk images and such data transfers are of the order of 6-10 GB per image, I am concerned on the FTP Server performance. I am using standard vsftpd on a Fedora 7 box with 2GB RAM. Are there any tweaks on my server side which will facilitate high throughputs? What other diagonastics should I run to figure out the root cause of problem? Any info on the kind of specific flags I should lookout in Wireshark? Yeah, you should be using Clonezilla :-) http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/ http://clonezilla.sourceforge.net/testimonial/ http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1037666355089325851 -- Kristian Erik Hermansen Know something about everything and everything about something. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] ILUG-D activity in last 7 days
Fri 1-Feb-2008: ILUG-D activity in last 7 days: = New/recent events: 0 Total events: 71 = New Discussion forum postings: 1 Total postings: 976 - 1. RE:Kernel compile Author: Meet shukla Posted on: Sat, Jan 26, 2008 Link: http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin//disc.cgi?action=showItemiId=7catId=20subCatId=51 Hi dear there are certain way where u can get document of kernal compile the best way to use o/s cd1 /SPRM/kernel src.rpm install it in /usr/src/redhat/SPECS and read document from /usr/src/doc/kernal--/REDEME but u don't worry because i have sent u complite document i am sure after reading that d... = New News items: 0 Total News items: 266 = New Resources: 0 Total Resources: 0 = New comments: 6Total comments: 225 - 1. By: Rakesh Sharma Posted on: Wed, Jan 30, 2008 Link: http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin//news.cgi?action=showItemiId=304 Hi Ravi, Its Nice --Rakesh Sharma... 2. By: Anonymous Posted on: Sun, Jan 27, 2008 Link: http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin//news.cgi?action=showItemiId=304 Thanks Puneet. I also installed Fedora 8 on my PC, but I was not able to enable 5.1 sound channels. Initially I had Fedora 7, I am happy with it. Do you know how to enable surround sound in F8. I don't really like Pulse Audio in F8. -Ravi... 3. By: Anonymous Posted on: Sat, Jan 26, 2008 Link: http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin//news.cgi?action=showItemiId=294 hay i think prashant is right he has not said anything wrong,it is just an opinion and that can differ from person to person. also as you have said that you are based in india and know the indian situations then i m amazed how can you compare eastern europe programmers to indian programmers? that is really funny.eve... 4. By: Anonymous Posted on: Sat, Jan 26, 2008 Link: http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin//news.cgi?action=showItemiId=303 hi puneet i saw your video on youtube impressive way to tell what you know:) how to contact you pls let me know thanks anand [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5. By: Puneet Gupta Posted on: Fri, Jan 25, 2008 Link: http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin//news.cgi?action=showItemiId=304 Nice Post Ravi.. I Have Made a Fedora 8 Guide for The Fedora Users http://www.computrgeek.wordpress.com... 6. By: Puneet Verma Posted on: Fri, Jan 25, 2008 Link: http://www.linux-delhi.org/cgi-bin//news.cgi?action=showItemiId=303 Watch this vedio http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utSgcprmNTMfeature=related... = New pictures: 0Total pictures: 220 = New members: 10 Total members: 6192 - 1. Arun prashad, User, delhi, India 2. Harbir Ghai, User, New Delhi, India 3. Honest john, User, , India 4. Mehul Gajjar, Power User, Gujarat, India 5. NIKUNJ AGGARWAL, User, new dehli, India 6. Raj Singh, Power User, , India 7. Rama Krishna Phaneendra, Power User, Rajasthan, India 8. Roz shrm, User, delhi, India 9. Sandeep Samson, User, Delhi, India 10. Siddharth Shekhar, Novice, U.P., India = Send your suggestions, comments or feedback to admin_at_linux-delhi_dot_org -- This email is brought to you by http://www.linux-delhi.org/ - India Linux Users Group - Delhi. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Hmm.. (was: Re: [OT]- No longer off topic )
Views ? Counter points ? Comments anyone ? Interesting.. At some level it exposes the true face of attitudes of some indians at the highest level.. I do believe it's at times like this that dissenting voices explaining the rationale et al behind creative commons and similar should make themselves heard.. It's surprising that the younger gen of filmmakers is not taking a counter view.. Atleast no audible counterpoint.. Anyways.. Thanks for sharing the article smarty sandip makes for interesting thinking.. -N On 2/1/08, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The stink of the Sonny Bono act[1] in India. - Sandip [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bollywood_classics_have_run_out_of_copyright_life/articleshow/2747020.cms [...] Considering that the copyright life of films, much like written works, is 60 years, Bollywood bigwigs like Yash Raj Chopra and business chambers like FICCI have demanded that this be increased, like in the US, to 95 years from the date a film is made. [...] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Let them have laptops
You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. Cheers Vivek -- Cell Number 9868817761 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
vivek v [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. Cheers Vivek Opps the link got cut off here is the link http://epaper.indianexpress.com/artMailDisp.aspx?article=01_02_2008_010_006typ=1pub=320 cheers Vivek ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Any motorola linux mobile owners / developers / enthusiasts here ?
Hi Folks, Any motorola linux mobile owners / developers / enthusiasts here ? Care to share any stories / opinions / comments wid this group ? Post to list or send me a uni cast mail.. Context: saw a touch screen equipped motorola linux mobile with a transparent clamshell plastic to protect touch screen while protecting it while still allowing visibility.. Liked the design and would love to hear more.. Anyone here ? Thanks in advance and regards.. -N ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Any motorola linux mobile owners / developers / enthusiasts here ?
Context: saw a touch screen equipped motorola linux mobile with a transparent clamshell plastic to protect touch screen while protecting it while still allowing visibility.. Liked the design and would love to hear more.. The modeul you saw gets spolit quickly battery drains faster than most other mobiles and not very usefull. My brother had it for 1 year before moving to HTC touch recently. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On Feb 1, 2008 10:17 AM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find it at: 'Let them have laptops' The IndianExpress ePaper - Digital replica of Print Edition. I do not completely agree to this article.But I thought this would be good to discuss this as an precursor to freed.in and would be an interesting read. The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC serving this purpose in two ways. Children getting used to technology, especially *free* technology. Now is technology helps a person get a degree or stop him from drop is a different question. But Technology does help bring a refreshing change to the way education is delivered. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 10:33 AM, vivek v wrote: The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC serving this purpose in two ways. Children getting used to technology, especially *free* technology. Now is technology helps a person get a degree or stop him from drop is a different question. But Technology does help bring a refreshing change to the way education is delivered. more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
H! On Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. :-) Protecting their own class or elite club and erecting barriers to prevent uneducated enter their domain! Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01/02/2008, Dinesh Shah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: H! On Feb 1, 2008 10:41 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. :-) Protecting their own class or elite club and erecting barriers to prevent uneducated enter their domain! Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves With regards, -- --Dinesh Shah :-) _ Norat Saraswat ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Norat Saraswat Mobile:- 09860697486 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Any motorola linux mobile owners / developers / enthusiasts here ?
On Friday 01 Feb 2008, Nalin Savara wrote: Hi Folks, Any motorola linux mobile owners / developers / enthusiasts here ? Care to share any stories / opinions / comments wid this group ? Post to list or send me a uni cast mail.. Context: saw a touch screen equipped motorola linux mobile with a transparent clamshell plastic to protect touch screen while protecting it while still allowing visibility.. Liked the design and would love to hear more.. I've been using one of those for 6 months or so, so far no problems. For a techie write-up on my experiences: http://wiki.kandalaya.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/MotorolaA1200 Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right since you think it is right and you are rich enough i presume you watch and share p0rn. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01/02/2008, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? Watch and share p0rn? ;-) I think it is right since you think it is right and you are rich enough i presume you watch and share p0rn. i am not rich enough and donot have any laptop ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Norat Saraswat Mobile:- 09860697486 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
The point to consider here is wheter a laptop in the hands of an uneducated poor child is going to significantly alter his life. will it prevent him from dropping out of school or help him get a college degree. We are talking about OLPC serving this purpose in two ways. Children getting used to technology, especially *free* technology. Now is technology helps a person get a degree or stop him from drop is a different question. But Technology does help bring a refreshing change to the way education is delivered. more to the point is that the people who question what a uneducated poor child would do with a laptop are also people who have laptops. Incidently what do most educated rich children do with their laptops? so i think you want to give poor kids the freedom to watch and surf p0rn like thier rich counter parts. that is a very good reason for giving them cheap laptops i will now ask who is going to provide them un interrupted electricy like in the cities. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 11:47 AM, Sriram J wrote: so the plan is to give people laptops without thinking about building the required infrastructure. what infrastructure is needed for a laptop? and 'poor and uneducated' !== dumb -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On 01-Feb-08, at 11:52 AM, Sriram J wrote: that is a very good reason for giving them cheap laptops i will now ask who is going to provide them un interrupted electricy like in the cities. i dont know where you live, but here all villages have un-interrupted electricity unlike in the cities -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
they may not be dumb but to be able to use thier laptop skills to improve thier lives they need a lot more than a laptop. like roti kapda and makan. i left out the electricity required to run the laptop because it should be obvious. On 2/1/08, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 01-Feb-08, at 11:47 AM, Sriram J wrote: so the plan is to give people laptops without thinking about building the required infrastructure. what infrastructure is needed for a laptop? and 'poor and uneducated' !== dumb -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ Foss conference for the common man: http://registration.fossconf.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
i dont know where you live, but here all villages have un-interrupted electricity unlike in the cities Tamil Nadu is reeling under one of the worst power shortages in recent years Electricity Minister Arcot N. Veerasamy insists that the government has initiated 'adequate steps' to tide over the power crisis This is the news as of Dec 2007. I presume the villages where you are dont depend on government for electricity. For your reference http://www.hindu.com/2007/12/08/stories/2007120856860300.htm http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/nov/24nuke.htm ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On Feb 1, 2008 12:01 PM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: they may not be dumb but to be able to use thier laptop skills to improve thier lives they need a lot more than a laptop. like roti kapda and makan. i left out the electricity required to run the laptop because it should be obvious. Same attitude... Let us give them roti, kapada aur makan (Which is same as Garibi Hatao Abhiyan. ;-)). They really don't need education and information. :-) -- --Dinesh Shah :-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
Same attitude... Let us give them roti, kapada aur makan (Which is same as Garibi Hatao Abhiyan. ;-)). They really don't need education and information. :-) Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. if u can tell me how one lap top will give you education i will gladly read . if your roti and makan is taken away and u are given electronic devices instead will you accept. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
On Feb 1, 2008 12:58 PM, Sriram J [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Education and information is not equal to one laptop per person. if u can tell me how one lap top will give you education i will gladly read . if your roti and makan is taken away and u are given electronic devices instead will you accept. I never new we are asking them to exchange their roti, kapada aur makan with OLPC. :-) Is that so? How about empowering them with education and information with electronic devices so that they can make their own roti, kapada aur makan, instead of depending on GOV and NGOs philanthropy's? -- --Dinesh Shah :-) ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Let them have laptops
Hi, I also just read the article that Vivek refers to, and believe that it bears thinking about. It is a serious question to which there are no easy answers, and it would be good to have a real discussion, instead of short reactionary messages. On one hand, why should the poor be deprived of the advantages of digital computers, and access to the Internet. Such technologies, along with rural wireless access, do have the potential to revolutionise education in India. People who complain about subsidies for the poor, and things like the national employment guarantee programme, should keep in mind that these are dwarfed by the costs of petrol, diesel, and LPG subsidies that pander to the rich and middle classes. On the other hand, what is the point of giving laptops to places where basic educational facilities are lacking, where teachers miss classes more often than not, and which lack even books? Would a scheme to distribute laptops be just for show, or would it actually work? Are programmes like the once-touted EduSat doing much good? It is not enough to blame failures of such programmes on corruption and lack of forethought on the part of the government. At least in India, the government is what *we* have made of it. I think that I agree with the premise of the article that educational reform should be more of a priority at present, but is by no means a cut-and-dried case. I have seen at least one instance where a government agency has done things right for the most part in giving computers (not laptops) to rural schools, and the children (up to class 5, or so) had pretty much taught themselves to use the Linux desktop, and play games. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Any motorola linux mobile owners / developers / enthusiasts here ?
hey Raj, Sriram, Others... The phone I saw was called Motorola MotoMing... (1) Raj, how different is this from your Motorola A1200 nmobile phone ? (2) Sriram... what model of Linux Mobile did your brother have ? Interesting to see Windows Mobile is better than linux in ur brother's experience; what model of HTC touch does your brother have ? -N On Feb 1, 2008 11:35 AM, Raj Mathur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 01 Feb 2008, Nalin Savara wrote: Hi Folks, Any motorola linux mobile owners / developers / enthusiasts here ? Care to share any stories / opinions / comments wid this group ? Post to list or send me a uni cast mail.. Context: saw a touch screen equipped motorola linux mobile with a transparent clamshell plastic to protect touch screen while protecting it while still allowing visibility.. Liked the design and would love to hear more.. I've been using one of those for 6 months or so, so far no problems. For a techie write-up on my experiences: http://wiki.kandalaya.org/cgi-bin/twiki/view/Main/MotorolaA1200 Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ Freedom in Technology Software || February 2008 || http://freed.in/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - February 22-24, 2008 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
