Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
Folks, The enterprise Vs Free software releases is getting more interesting area for me for the discussion. I got overwhelimg response from many people which cleared many doubt for me and probably same for others. Thanks everyone for their reply! Like i said we have Redhat SuSE subscription, similarly we do have mysql support subscription. Now it emerged recently mysql releases new mysql - server 5.0.38. Now if we install mysql pathes or releases does it break anything with my previous vendor? PS: Sorry for cross posting :) -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X vCards / \ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 16:39 +0100, Yashpal Nagar wrote: [...] Like i said we have Redhat SuSE subscription, similarly we do have mysql support subscription. Now it emerged recently mysql releases new mysql - server 5.0.38. Now if we install mysql pathes or releases does it break anything with my previous vendor? [...] What do you mean by previous vendor? If you have support contracts with both Mysql, and Redhat/Novell, and are asking whether mysql patches will break the mysql distribution from the OS vendor, the answer is to ask Mysql, or Redhat/Novell for a patch compatible with your OS. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
On 3/29/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general, it is not a good idea to mix and match packages, even if they are from distributions that are apparently related, e.g., RHEL and Fedora. That is because the two distributions will undoubtedly have a different set of packages, at different version numbers, and are each tested with that particular configuration. Mixing them up is inviting trouble, and I would only do that in a critical situation. Thats is one thing which we need to know how to for pushing and deploying in enterprises. Eg: One decides to use lets say Fedora Directory Server, but his group has internal expertise on Ubuntu. Or the admin might have been using Apache to host his intranet, found that management decides to use Open-xchange for a groupware application and thats on Suse. He will have to for a learning curve finding which location is for httpd.conf!! It happened to me recently. Was using vsftpd in my intranet on a Fedora box. Decided to try out Ubuntu-64bit on a new box. So while formatting the box decided to give /var partition a larger size. To my horror, when configuring vsftpd on Ubuntu found the default directory is /home/ftp!!! Now how do I ??? I want to use FDS but my box is Ubuntu, so should I steal another box for Fedora/FDS sake?? Is virtualisation an answer?? anand ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: horror, when configuring vsftpd on Ubuntu found the default directory is /home/ftp!!! Now how do I ??? I want to use FDS but my box is Ubuntu, so should I steal another box for Fedora/FDS sake?? You can convert the static partitioning system to LVM (Logical Volume Manager) -- Mahesh T. Pai http://paivakil.blogspot.com/ If your mail client does not support HTML, click here ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
- Original Message From: Anand Shankar [EMAIL PROTECTED] It happened to me recently. Was using vsftpd in my intranet on a Fedora box. Decided to try out Ubuntu-64bit on a new box. So while formatting the box decided to give /var partition a larger size. To my horror, when configuring vsftpd on Ubuntu found the default directory is /home/ftp!!! Now how do I ??? I want to use FDS but my box is Ubuntu, so should I steal another box for Fedora/FDS sake?? ___ So you feel it is bad that someone set the default as /home/ftp yet you wish to use /var/ftp or something similar ? I assume Ubuntu hasn't done anything to vsftpd to not allow you to change the default configuration. After all this is what freedom is about - isnt it ? Ubuntu can set the default howsoever they please and you are free to set it to whatever you please. As for Enterprise releases I believe they would all conform to the LSB which I would imagine include standard destination for FTP folder etc. Mithun Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
On 3/29/07, Gora Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 17:16 +0100, Yashpal Nagar wrote: [...] What i want to know here is, as a practice should one go ahead and install (on top of RHEL/SUSE) such updates/packages from Fedora or Opensuse, whenever they become available? if yes what could happen to the server when you apply service packs which lately become available from Redhat or Novell, service pack installation would't comlain run with no trouble? if no - then what are the reasons? [...] In general, it is not a good idea to mix and match packages, even if they are from distributions that are apparently related, e.g., RHEL and Fedora. That is because the two distributions will undoubtedly have a different set of packages, at different version numbers, and are each tested with that particular configuration. Mixing them up is inviting trouble, and I would only do that in a critical situation. Regards, Gora Furthermore it brings the famous Rpm Dependency hell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_hell, Along with it every distribution make changes in the mainstream package before putting in repository/distribution which is always distribution specific. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Linux User #348873 ILUGD Commitee Member, GZLUG , DGLUG Moderator B.Tech 4th Year Computer Science , RKGIT , Ghaziabad http://rockybhai.blogspot.com When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
Mahesh T. Pai [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take heart, dear. What he said is that it is difficult to fild people asking RH for support. He did not say that it difficult to find people who purchased RHEL. Hope I did not get him wrong. Thats exactly what I mean!!! People buy the subscription but don't use it. With Warm Regards, Shivkumar www.outbackwifi.com - It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
Hi there, As we know Redhat and SUSE few major vendors for enterprise class Linux distribution do also have their free/community driven distributions like Fedors Opensuse. Now lately we have noticed that few softwares releases become rapidly available from Fedora, Opensuse rather than principle vendor SUSE or Redhat itself in their enterprise class OS. e.g apache 2.2.4 rpms are available from Opensuse but not yet available from Novell for their enterprise class of OS. http://software.opensuse.org/download/Apache/SUSE_Linux_10.0/x86_64/ What i want to know here is, as a practice should one go ahead and install (on top of RHEL/SUSE) such updates/packages from Fedora or Opensuse, whenever they become available? if yes what could happen to the server when you apply service packs which lately become available from Redhat or Novell, service pack installation would't comlain run with no trouble? if no - then what are the reasons? Regards Yashpal PS: Sorry for cross posting :) -- ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML email X vCards / \ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
What i want to know here is, as a practice should one go ahead and install (on top of RHEL/SUSE) such updates/packages from Fedora or Opensuse, whenever they become available? if yes what could happen to the server when you apply service packs which lately become available from Redhat or Novell, service pack installation would't comlain run with no trouble? if no - then what are the reasons? You should keep your commercially supported distribution to track what is being made available via the support channels (RHN for example for Red Hat) so that you can benefit from official support. In general, you should not mix different packages just because something is newly available. You should be rest assured that *any* security issue will be addressed for the officially shipped packages. Hence, unless you are looking at some specific feature/function that is missing in the shipped package AND are prepared to support it yourself, then go ahead. If I am running these systems in an enterprise, I would stay off straying from the supported environment unless I have a really good reason. HTH. Harish ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
Harish Pillay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You should keep your commercially supported distribution to track what is being made available via the support channels (RHN for example for Red Hat) so that you can benefit from official support. Its hard to find someone who has bought Redhat ES or AS call them up for support. For that matter people dont even call Micro$oft when their Windoze machine crashes. Wonder where all that money goes!! But its also hard to find people who would readily go for a CentOS install against an RHEL. I guess its because its difficult for the systems guy to convince his management that free is not like free beer. With Warm Regards, Shivkumar www.outbackwifi.com - Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shiv wrote: Its hard to find someone who has bought Redhat ES or AS call them up for support. Oh dear you just broke my heart :( but why do you think it is hard to find someone who has purchased a subscription for RHEL ? - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGC0ThXQZpNTcrCzMRAkloAKCC09M4QFPC6u3AGRPH+rNVgIF5cwCeLKzz BwPngXJ1jmYAqP3HPeiUGDc= =rrQ3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but why do you think it is hard to find someone who has purchased a subscription for RHEL ? Take heart, dear. What he said is that it is difficult to fild people asking RH for support. He did not say that it difficult to find people who purchased RHEL. Hope I did not get him wrong. -- Mahesh T. Pai http://paivakil.blogspot.com/ Copying an idea is plagiarism. Copying many ideas from many authors is RESEARCH. ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Free Vs enterprise OSS releases
On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 17:16 +0100, Yashpal Nagar wrote: [...] What i want to know here is, as a practice should one go ahead and install (on top of RHEL/SUSE) such updates/packages from Fedora or Opensuse, whenever they become available? if yes what could happen to the server when you apply service packs which lately become available from Redhat or Novell, service pack installation would't comlain run with no trouble? if no - then what are the reasons? [...] In general, it is not a good idea to mix and match packages, even if they are from distributions that are apparently related, e.g., RHEL and Fedora. That is because the two distributions will undoubtedly have a different set of packages, at different version numbers, and are each tested with that particular configuration. Mixing them up is inviting trouble, and I would only do that in a critical situation. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
