RE: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 05:36, Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva wrote: 15 minutes is infinitely more than zero. I concur! Even 2 mins is infinitely more than zero. :-) touche. Very true honorable LL Ji... But can we actually manage the show in 15 mins??? I don't think so... maybe not, but let's fit the intro in 15 minutes. after the meet, the newbies could ask questions one-to-one. let's see what happens. Let us put our feet in the shoes of a newbie, would that be justified if someone starts speaking with you in 'Hindi/Punjabi' and suddenly starts 'French' and the tragedy is that before that, everyone was enjoying the show but now everyone else are enjoying the show except me along with some few newbie and we are watching each others faces :-( agreed. but 15 minutes of orientation is better than none. this is my stand of compromise. Won't it be a great idea if we arrange the similar newbie meet after the great success of Dec 2003 meet so that we can give the justice to newbie? well, that's what ashlin and i decided with a few others. but sadly, nothing happened to it. hence this brute-force 'shoe-horning' of a newbie intro+talk of 15 minutes to get the ball rolling. Comments? yes. *if* newbies want: they can start a new thread, aptly called 'ilug-d meet for newbies'. they can announce a tentative date, like 4th april, request for venue, request for speakers, choose the kind of newbie topics they wish to have covered windoze migration, dual-boot install, etc.; how do i do...; install-fest; what's a distro; what is GPL, is it an english acronym...; and other newbie questions they may have. people on the list could respond. newbies who wish to attend, or even perpetual newbies like me and sudev, could attend. speakers could volunteer, and there you have it: your own newbie meet. simple. newbies, don't feel hesitant to express your wish,suggestion,request on this list. that's what it is for. no one will hold your hand and usher you in. but you could ask. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
LinuxLingam wrote: On Tue, 2004-03-23 at 05:36, Gurpreet Singh Sachdeva wrote: 15 minutes is infinitely more than zero. I concur! Even 2 mins is infinitely more than zero. :-) touche. Very true honorable LL Ji... But can we actually manage the show in 15 mins??? I don't think so... maybe not, but let's fit the intro in 15 minutes. after the meet, the newbies could ask questions one-to-one. let's see what happens. I agree wholeheartedly with LL's suggestions though. We have two distinct kind of audience in our meets - non-tech end users(newbies/experienced) and tech end users(newbies/experienced). Maybe we can profile the people attending the meets to find out how many are which ( No, I dont think an online poll is enough. This has to happen with people who actually attend the meets :-P ) Whatever happens, the needs of the newbies are more than experienced users - after all when do you need handholding the most? I actually feel that a minimum of 25% of the meet schedule should be for newbies, if not 50%. It need not be things like What is Linux, but really basic topics, like configuring the printer, or using a digital camera - things that a new linux user would like to do. Ofcourse, it means that the experiences people will yawn through half the meets, but they should understand the priorities of this users group. - Sandip -- Sandip Bhattacharya sandip (at) puroga.com Puroga Technologies Pvt. Ltd. Work: http://www.puroga.comHome: http://www.sandipb.net GPG: 51A4 6C57 4BC6 8C82 6A65 AE78 B1A1 2280 A129 0FF3 ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
Dear we had a newbies meet and we will conduct it in future Yes! Luckily I was also the part of that successful meet and fortunately got the chance to meet you guys for the first time and I remember that we were planning to have a similar at JIMS. i had proposed to have meet on linx securities. Even I was dreaming about that as I really relish this cherry... I appreciate every ones initiative in it. If the response is good we will continue this or else drop it. Sounds Good! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
after the meet, the newbies could ask questions one-to-one. Get Ready Man!!! I am coming with a bag *fool* of questions ;) Kiding! ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
Akshay Lamba wrote: Okay who is volunteering for a introductory note, it will be good if we give regular guyz a rest(Raj, Kishore, LL, etc). I can give an introduction to the GNU project, Free Software philosophy and Linux, if no one else volunteers. Should I mix in Linux on Desktop and a bash up of M$ too ? -- \°°/ (oo) +ooO-- -Ooo-+ |Raj Shekhar |My home: | |System Administrator|http://geocities.com/lunatech3007 | |Media Web India |My blog: | |http://www.netphotograph.com|http://lunatech.journalspace.com | +---+ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
--- Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can give an introduction to the GNU project, Free Software philosophy and Linux, if no one else volunteers. Should I mix in Linux on Desktop and a bash up of M$ too ? Okay, go ahead you can mix (or remix) Linux and Linux desktops in introduction to GNU intro, but keep everything limited to 15minutes. It will be really good if you can give an intro to how a system is cracked. (You can have 25 minutes then) regards VK Ps: Waiting for Tarun to announce new schedule. = Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 14:39, Raj Shekhar wrote: Akshay Lamba wrote: Okay who is volunteering for a introductory note, it will be good if we give regular guyz a rest(Raj, Kishore, LL, etc). I can give an introduction to the GNU project, Free Software philosophy and Linux, if no one else volunteers. Should I mix in Linux on Desktop and a bash up of M$ too ? thanks for volunteering and please go ahead. avoid the m$ bashing though. our focus is on our software freedom, and sharing it with others. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
Geee! Do you think that 15 mins would be enough for a newbie to understand the technojargon + flamewars + netequitte flames :-o or to shed *off* their nervousness... 15 minutes is infinitely more than zero. :-) look, let's get the ball rolling in this direction. its a process of exploration :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
15 minutes is infinitely more than zero. I concur! Even 2 mins is infinitely more than zero. :-) look, let's get the ball rolling in this direction. its a process of exploration Very true honorable LL Ji... But can we actually manage the show in 15 mins??? I don't think so... Let us put our feet in the shoes of a newbie, would that be justified if someone starts speaking with you in 'Hindi/Punjabi' and suddenly starts 'French' and the tragedy is that before that, everyone was enjoying the show but now everyone else are enjoying the show except me along with some few newbie and we are watching each others faces :-( Introduction to GNU/Linux and then suddenly technojargon + flamewars + netequitte flames + bla bla Will that shed *off* my nervousness or... Won't it be a great idea if we arrange the similar newbie meet after the great success of Dec 2003 meet so that we can give the justice to newbie? Comments? BR, GSS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 02:24, vivek khurana wrote: - Would intro to security tools (nessus, nmap, ntop) / common services (proxy - squid, IDS - snort, firewall - iptables) be ok? Just an intro to the tools and quick method of setting one up using webmin. ya it seems good if you also incorporate an introduction to Linux and Linux desktops. Reagrds VK exactly! arrey bhai, target people who have never seen a machine running linux, but want to know what is linux, what can it do for non-techie users, and how to use linux. and is it lie-nucks, or is it lee+nacks, or lay+necks. and what is this gnoo foo? :-) 15 minutes. with a tip of the fedora to andy warhol. :-) LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
--- LinuxLingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [flamewar begins] (LL is wrong ) argh! this is what i completely *hate* about ILUG-D. it is so newbie-unfriendly and aspires to be completely elitist! :-( Helloaa ilugd is not newbie unfriendly. I just dont want the same presentation to take place over and over again. I had already suggested a way (in form of documents) to be distributed to newbies. If you can come up with a better idea we will except it with all the gratitude. This is not just a newbies group, there are equal number of members in the group who know what linux is and even several newbies know what GNU/Linux philosophy is. Secondly LL-ji will you point me out how can ilugd would suddenly become newbies friendly by having a presentation on GNU/Linux philosophy and rest of presentaions on securing linux boxes, a topic which will pass over the head of newbies?? If you remember we had already decided to conduct newbies meet again and again at some time interval, so you can't say ilugd is user unfriendly. To accomdate newbies in such a meet you need to give introduction to why and how security, and not on GNU/Linux philosophy! I belive if Raj speaks on GPG it will be a good introduction on how and why to secure. fire and brimstone man! did you know that india has a population of over 1 billion people, and yet there are only 9 PCs per 1,000 people here. all factors included, that means actual pc users are just 5% to 10% of our population. with gnulinux diffusion at probably 1% to 2%, that means we are are a tiny droplet in a vast ocean. and we think we should further build walls around ourselves and tell the rest of our brethren to F.O. ! grr!!! grrr!!! show such numbers to a bean counter not to me.. every single day, there will be atleast 10 newbies to gnulinux born in this country, and this number should hopefully touch 100 a day. sarcastically speaking, i would be quite happy to see ilug-d shoot itself in the foot by alienating and brushing off newbies. and i know newbies won't speak up on this issue. they are usually quite terrified and nervous with the technojargon + flamewars + netequitte flames that they usually receive. See who is starting flame war this time. so, every ilug-d meet must have a newbie orientation. for 15 minutes. a welcome to the community. a special gesture of encouragement and support on this precarious path of migration. See now you are turning away from your own words, this kind of introduction is completely different from he presentation of raj on introduction to gnu/linx philosophy. AshLin, don't you agree? [flameware ends] [Me hoping so] :-( LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ = Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 12:21, LinuxLingam wrote: On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 09:18, vivek khurana wrote: --- Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There will always be newbies in every meet, so does it means introduction becomes a defato start up?? This intro is good in newbies meet, but i would go against [SNIP] so, every ilug-d meet must have a newbie orientation. for 15 minutes. a welcome to the community. a special gesture of encouragement and support on this precarious path of migration. [SNIP] 1. Right besides you in thoughts and deed. Newbie meets and newbie intros and CD distributions at college seminars should be a priority for any LUG. 2. How did I learn Linux (and still learning)? From peers who are further down the road. How do I repay the community? By helping others behind me. If all learned members pull away from this list who will be left? All confused people migrating back to honey-trap arms of $$$oftware. I quite liked Raju's idea that join other lists too, existing in plenty. Also there is restriction in organising other meets than the monthly meet. -- Sudev Barar Learning Linux ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
here is what i propose: 1) every ilug-d meet begins with a 15-minute introduction to gnulinux for newbies and even wannabies. each time, a new guy from our group delivers this presentation, in his or her own style and interpretation. the assumption will be is that the target audience for this talk is made of windoze users who have never seen gnulinux in their life but have heard about it. the choice of topix, the content of the talk, is entirely upto whoever volunteers. for instance, someone could just give a walk-through of an installation (think install fest). another could do a walk-thru of equivalent software like gaim, mplayer, oo, intro to vi/emacs, etc etc. and so on. the rest of the meet focuses on other topics, not necessarily for newbies, such as the usual ones suggested here. however, just handing out documents or free cds is not enough for a newbie. and since we have not been able to mobilize our initiatives to hold regular newbie meets, i recommend we hold a 15-minute newbie intro every meet. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
--- LinuxLingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here is what i propose: 1) every ilug-d meet begins with a 15-minute introduction to gnulinux for newbies and even wannabies. each time, a new guy from our group delivers this presentation, in his or her own style and interpretation. Okay guyz, LL has volunteerd to give introductory note in this meet. Which topic LL ?? It will be great if you can give an intro on security. Raj is now free to speak on GPG. I would strongly suggest some one speak on GPG or atleast demonstrate generation of a GPG key, and its verification. regards VK = Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 01:00, vivek khurana wrote: Okay guyz, LL has volunteerd to give introductory note in this meet. Which topic LL ?? It will be great if you can give an intro on security. nope. i volunteer to speak on nothing. have already delivered a more than fair amount of talks at ilug-d, and am also delivering talks and conducting events at several colleges and universities past few weeks on various aspects of gnulinux. if you read the mail carefully, it says each time a new guy from our group delivers this introduction. i am a living fossil of ilug-d. :) perhaps mairu could give a talk on any aspect for newbies and wannabes. i don't know. i leave it upto the people in the community to volunteer. Raj is now free to speak on GPG. I would strongly suggest some one speak on GPG or atleast demonstrate generation of a GPG key, and its verification. sure. LL ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
--- LinuxLingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 01:00, vivek khurana wrote: if you read the mail carefully, it says each time a new guy from our group delivers this introduction. I had read mail carefully. No problems if you don't want to speak. We will miss your mesmerizing speach. i am a living fossil of ilug-d. :) perhaps mairu could give a talk on any aspect for newbies and wannabes. i don't know. i leave it upto the people in the community to volunteer. Okay who is volunteering for a introductory note, it will be good if we give regular guyz a rest(Raj, Kishore, LL, etc). regards Vivek = Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
RE: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
Okay who is volunteering for a introductory note, it will be good if we give regular guyz a rest(Raj, Kishore, LL, etc). regards Vivek _ Would intro to security tools (nessus, nmap, ntop) / common services (proxy - squid, IDS - snort, firewall - iptables) be ok? Just an intro to the tools and quick method of setting one up using webmin. Regards, Akshay ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
vivek khurana wrote: --- Tarun Dua [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can request Raj to cut his talk short however. Can we make raj speak on GPG instead. Raju -ji pleeeaaassse speak on GPG instead of introduction. If the meeting is going to be attended by the usual suspects, the introduction part can be safely skipped. However, if there going to be enough newbies around, I would support Raj's (Mathur) introduction speech. Tarun, do you think we should have a show of hands for who all will be attending the meet or maybe a poll on the ILUGD meet ? If the newbies are out in force, Raj's (Mathur) speech would be indeed welcome. -- / \__ (@\___ Raj Shekhar / O My home : http://geocities.com/lunatech3007/ / (_/ My blog : http://lunatech.journalspace.com/ /_/ U ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
--- Raj Shekhar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tarun, do you think we should have a show of hands for who all will be attending the meet or maybe a poll on the ILUGD meet ? If the newbies are out in force, Raj's (Mathur) speech would be indeed welcome. There will always be newbies in every meet, so does it means introduction becomes a defato start up?? This intro is good in newbies meet, but i would go against having this intro in every meet. If you guyz want to give intro, give it on how your system can be broken into by a cracker. As for introducing linux to newbies, i dont belive we need to introduce linux to any one, what we can do is make some document on GNU.Linux philosophy and distro it to newbies for free. Regards Vivek Ps: we will end up wasting time with poll. = Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [ilugd] Re: [ilugd-announce] ILUGD Monthly Meet 28th March, 2004
--- LinuxLingam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: since i always promise i will come, and find myself eating cowdung when i don't, lemme apply reverse psychology on myself: i promise i won't come to the meet. haha, this time LL might end up eating chocolate cake, as Ll seems to be man of words, i am sure he wont come. Cheers!!! VK = Disclamer The facts expressed here belong to everybody, the opinions to me. The distinction is yours to draw... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html ___ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
