Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shakthi Kannan wrote: As on date the examples haven't been implemented in any tool, and are being used only on paper. They are electrical circuit diagrams/examples. Are they unique ? ie for Theory 1 is the Circuit Diagram 1 the one and only one way to implement it ? so that they can compile cleanly using FOSS tools ? Yes, qucs (Quite Universal Circuit Simulator). http://qucs.sf.net /me shall look at this later (although that does not mean that /me would comprehend) :D Yes. My choice is representation of circuits in .sch format that qucs uses. The code examples to be released under GPL, of course. Ok now this gets me a bit more curious. Circuit Diagrams would be based on some well known theories - am I correct ? If a reimplementation of the theory to make them compliant with FOSS tools require author permissions - how does that also apply to questions based on the same theories/circuit diagrams during examinations wherein only small bits are obfuscated ? So here's the what if bit ? What if you do ? :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGCMK+XQZpNTcrCzMRAuf7AJ9rYuz9e3Umfw5b4tmYOEH+De8+2gCeJrxj zKAV2Qmsg0z9jtsie8GI3Dw= =9hLK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
Hi, On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are they unique ? ie for Theory 1 is the Circuit Diagram 1 the one and only one way to implement it ? Yes. The circuit diagrams for explaining theoretical concepts are unique, whichever book you take. I don't want to replicate theory. Students can read from that. Just the circuit diagram examples, and exercises. /me shall look at this later (although that does not mean that /me would comprehend) :D No problem. If a reimplementation of the theory to make them compliant with FOSS tools require author permissions Actually the book says All Rights Reserved. It goes on to say that any part of the book cannot be copied or reimplemented, except for reviews, without the consent of the authors and the publishers. how does that also apply to questions based on the same theories/circuit diagrams during examinations wherein only small bits are obfuscated ? So here's the what if bit ? What if you do ? I see it from this angle: 1. The book is prescribed for engineering students. By providing Free Software to students with examples from the books, it only helps in more students using the book. 2. It makes it engineering where-in students can experiment with circuits with Free Software. http://qucs.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html Or, simply put the fun back into engineering. Regards, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shakthi Kannan wrote: Yes. The circuit diagrams for explaining theoretical concepts are unique, whichever book you take. So this means that Book ABC will use an unique diagram for Theory 1 and book DEF will use another for the same Theory 1 ? Actually the book says All Rights Reserved. It goes on to say that any part of the book cannot be copied or reimplemented, except for reviews, without the consent of the authors and the publishers. And thus the question below: how does that also apply to questions based on the same theories/circuit diagrams during examinations wherein only small bits are obfuscated ? So here's the what if bit ? What if you do ? Or, simply put the fun back into engineering. I get that bit perfectly. What is worrisome is what are the consequences if you decide to ignore the All Rights Reserved bit and just do it ? How does this affect (re)doing examples that compile cleanly in TurboC for FOSS bits ? :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGCMk8XQZpNTcrCzMRAtgzAJ9/n1406QeeMX0o3dtRSnfGac3WWQCfVZ+i JPeiE7y0xJHXL/MIifKpAQs= =io8c -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
Hi Sankarshan, On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So this means that Book ABC will use an unique diagram for Theory 1 and book DEF will use another for the same Theory 1 ? No. Same diagram. Pythagorean theorem is the same in all mathematical books. But, examples or problem sets that use the pythagorean theorem is what I am interested in, which is copyright of the author. I get that bit perfectly. What is worrisome is what are the consequences if you decide to ignore the All Rights Reserved bit and just do it ? As people from the FOSS community we respect copyright, and appreciate the freedom given by the GPL. How does this affect (re)doing examples that compile cleanly in TurboC for FOSS bits ? You are addressing software. I am addressing hardware. That's the difference. Most of the programming projects are problem sets. So, you can implement the solution in any given language. If it is a totally different compiler, then yes, syntax would be different and it is mere porting. Dan Kegel made GNU/Linux patches for Richard Stevens' UNIX network programming: http://kegel.com/unpv1/ Software is mathematics. Hardware deals with physical elements of matter. [1] Regards, SK [1] Richard Stallmans' Danger of Software Patents. http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/rms.danger.of.software.patents.pdf . -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shakthi Kannan wrote: No. Same diagram. Pythagorean theorem is the same in all mathematical books. But, examples or problem sets that use the pythagorean theorem is what I am interested in, which is copyright of the author. So how does the uniqueness get resolved during exam question papers ? - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGCPFGXQZpNTcrCzMRArWsAJ9jcRjfYhY2K5S+rrJj6RhCwkvK1ACff1g6 OGjU3idjwKAmDe5UZdWCYFY= =JB15 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
Hi, On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems would be reworded Reworded? forms of examples if I understand your explanation earlier correctly Yes. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shakthi Kannan wrote: Hi, On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Problems would be reworded Reworded? Same concept as the examples with the language (as in English wording) constructs changed a bit A gross example might be: a + b = c + d being morphed to x + y = q + r - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGCQ1zXQZpNTcrCzMRAk6zAJ9YhRvF0h4aIIEByRlP1fzftDjTnwCfXM3O +j6jDkazxtKXif2T4TbY2pk= =XpZG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
Hi Sankarshan, On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A gross example might be: a + b = c + d being morphed to x + y = q + r I'll work on that. Appreciate your valuable feedback. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
On Monday 26 Mar 2007 11:03:00 pm Shakthi Kannan wrote: for Khanna Publishers 2-B, Nath Market, Nai Sarak, Delhi - 110006 A quick search for Khana Publishers on Delhi Telephone Directory (http://phonebook.bol.net.in/) reveals this KHANNA PUBLISHERS 2 B NATH MKT ROSHAN PURA A CHAND MRG-6 23912380 KHANNA PUBLISHERS 2 B NATH MKT ROSHAN PURA A CHAND MRG-6 23980311 Works for you? -- Regards, Abhay ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
Shakthi Kannan wrote: I need to re-use the examples given in the book with Free Software tools. The books' copyright doesn't allow me to do that without prior permission from the publisher. Just a thought. Khanna publishers is just a reprinter for many original publishers like O'Reilly etc. In those case, I doubt if Khanna publisher would have the right to give you permission. Are you sure that the book in question is published solely by Khanna publishers? - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Shakthi Kannan wrote: I need to re-use the examples given in the book with Free Software tools. The books' copyright doesn't allow me to do that without prior permission from the publisher. Umm... do you want to re-implement the examples in the book so that they can compile cleanly using FOSS tools ? A question thus remains to be asked is - what if you do re-implement the examples to make them FOSS compliant and put them up for others to see and use ? Examples being based on algorithms - wouldn't they be prior art ? I am not a lawyer and thus just asking. Might you want to poke the Alternative Law Forum on this too ? :Sankarshan - -- You see things; and you say 'Why?'; But I dream things that never were; and I say 'Why not?' - George Bernard Shaw -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGCLQhXQZpNTcrCzMRAtlYAKCiRmjFqtOAl0RaKh7TJjwBCZT3wwCgiJDb SVW14d8KfOxh3cIRUYb23bM= =4uG/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
Hi, On 3/27/07, Abhay Kedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A quick search for Khana Publishers on Delhi Telephone Directory (http://phonebook.bol.net.in/) reveals this I didn't know about this site until now. Very useful. Works for you? Thanks! I was able to call their office. The owner is one, Mr. Vinith Khanna, and I was told to speak to him about it. He was not there in the office when I called them. On 3/27/07, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure that the book in question is published solely by Khanna publishers? Yes. The book was written by two Indian professors from the then Regional Engineering College, Tiruchirappalli (now NIT, Tiruchy). Thanks for your help, SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] [OT] Contact of Khanna Publishers
Hi, On 3/27/07, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Umm... do you want to re-implement the examples in the book As on date the examples haven't been implemented in any tool, and are being used only on paper. They are electrical circuit diagrams/examples. so that they can compile cleanly using FOSS tools ? Yes, qucs (Quite Universal Circuit Simulator). http://qucs.sf.net A question thus remains to be asked is - what if you do re-implement the examples to make them FOSS compliant and put them up for others to see and use ? Yes. My choice is representation of circuits in .sch format that qucs uses. The code examples to be released under GPL, of course. Examples being based on algorithms No algorithms, just circuit diagrams. Appreciate your thoughts. SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
