Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: it is not distro specific - I have seen the same problem in firefox on mandriva2007, Ubuntu 6.10, and on a Mac. On all these three platforms konq (on linux) and safari (on mac) render perfectly. And so does *every* single other application on these platforms. The problem has been fixed on Mac OS X, try a devel version (GranParasido 3.0a8 [1]). FF 3 uses the ATSUI backend on the Mac, which gives you pretty much the same rendering as Safari. -- Anant [1] http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/granparadiso/alpha8/mac/en-US/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 03-Oct-07, at 1:44 PM, Ajay Kumar wrote: Type about:buildconfig without the quotes in firefox's address box. You will see something like the following, and would need to check for the --enable-pango flag. wonderful - so after 3 years or so, firefox guys are uninterested in the second largest country in the world. How come Konqueror manages it? Now I am getting a bit confused here. Ajay wrote about checking for ie whether the --enable-pango flag exists or not. Not checking it ie enabling it. I have no doubts that Konqueror is a fine browser capable of handling Indic display/rendering and printing. However, that is precisely not the point. In the last 2 cases where I have read (either on mailing list or IRC) about Firefox b0rking on Indic, screenshots are in place to show that given a particular base OS and a particular Firefox release, Indic rendering does work (and these days as does Indic printing). What could be well served if out of all this Konqueror is best, Firefox drags a** mail a framework of some sort arises which is relevant to test cases that can prove whether the particular website when viewed using Firefox provides a functionally complete viewing experience. That might turn out to be more than helpful given that the Firefox roadmap is perhaps aimed at a Cairo integration too (from existing Pango). If it is a distribution specific issue, you are practised enough to file a distribution bug along side filing one upstream. Additionally, there is a Mozilla Project Day at foss.in/2007 - do raise these issues there ie if you still want to see Firefox as a browser comparable to if not better than Konqueror. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHCGvdXQZpNTcrCzMRAk8HAKC+mk4QIus8LyEcmCtxnKrITjjDcQCgxQGQ weWJESl9+MQk48uY4FHXKZM= =JDsN -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
On 07-Oct-07, at 10:47 AM, Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay wrote: If it is a distribution specific issue, you are practised enough to file a distribution bug along side filing one upstream. Additionally, there is a Mozilla Project Day at foss.in/2007 - do raise these issues there ie if you still want to see Firefox as a browser comparable to if not better than Konqueror. it is not distro specific - I have seen the same problem in firefox on mandriva2007, Ubuntu 6.10, and on a Mac. On all these three platforms konq (on linux) and safari (on mac) render perfectly. And so does *every* single other application on these platforms. I have no doubt that FF can render properly - I remember some years back spending about 2 weeks getting the latest pango on my desktop - which meant upgrading practically everything and then compiling firefox with pango support and getting it to rend the fonts. I find in etch, fc6 and above and in ubuntu 7.x, it renders ok by default. Interesting to see if doze version does the rendering by default. Anyway, now I automatically use konq for indic rendering, so I have no problem. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
On Wed, 2007-10-03 at 17:03 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 03-Oct-07, at 1:44 PM, Ajay Kumar wrote: Type about:buildconfig without the quotes in firefox's address box. You will see something like the following, and would need to check for the --enable-pango flag. wonderful - so after 3 years or so, firefox guys are uninterested in the second largest country in the world. How come Konqueror manages it? Please stop spreading rumours without having checked it for yourself. konqueror is a fine browser, but Firefox, with Pango enabled, works. If you really think that there are problems, did you bother to file a bug report with the distribution in question? To the best of my knowledge, Firefox is Pango-enabled on most new versions of the major Linux distributions, and works just fine with Indian languages, as Sankarshan for one has pointed out. The original poster's problem seem to have been unfounded (from what I could gather from his follow-up messages, he seems to have been trying Firefox on Windows by mistake). If it was a problem on Linux, the most likely culprit would be fontconfig problems, which should be blamed on the distribution, and not Firefox. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
The original poster's problem seem to have been unfounded (from what I could gather from his follow-up messages, he seems to have been trying Firefox on Windows by mistake). huh?? I did make the silly mistake of not setting the environment variables properly, but I was not trying anything on Windows. -- Puneet http://sahyog.blogspot.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
On 03-Oct-07, at 1:44 PM, Ajay Kumar wrote: Type about:buildconfig without the quotes in firefox's address box. You will see something like the following, and would need to check for the --enable-pango flag. wonderful - so after 3 years or so, firefox guys are uninterested in the second largest country in the world. How come Konqueror manages it? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
wonderful - so after 3 years or so, firefox guys are uninterested in the second largest country in the world. How come Konqueror manages it? Aren't we being a little hard on them? If I were to interpret what firefox developers might be saying (completely my words), it would go something like this: We have checked the code into firefox to enable complex text layout necessary for some non latin scripts including many from indic, arabic, south east asian, and arabic languages. For anyone distributing firefox for these languages, please compile with the options required to enable CTL. We are not enabling it by default for everyone, because the performance penalty for the rest of the users does not justify the gains as most indic (or other such language) speakers browse the web in english. (More so, they generate most of their web content in english, and use english language skills as a differentiator to show/feel that they are educated and high class.) After that it is the responsibility of the indian foss community and other government agencies to make sure that ctl builds are available. For instance ubuntu and many other distributions' firefox build is by default ctl enabled, and all one needs to do is set the environment variable. I have personally never had problems with firefox w.r.t. indic. So, feel a little bad if the good folks at firefox get bad PR due to misunderstanding. If someone feels that it is not enough, they should find the firefox / ubuntu / redhat / your favorite distribution forums and make a case as they deem appropriate. I'd be happy to contribute to any discussion regarding enabling ctl by default in firefox. Cheers, Ajay ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
On 03-Oct-07, at 6:01 PM, Ajay Kumar wrote: We have checked the code into firefox to enable complex text layout necessary for some non latin scripts including many from indic, arabic, south east asian, and arabic languages. For anyone distributing firefox for these languages, please compile with the options required to enable CTL. We are not enabling it by default for everyone, because the performance penalty for the rest of the users does not justify the gains as most indic (or other such language) speakers browse the web in english. I repeat - if Konq can do it, why cant you? If konq can take the perfomance hit, why not you? I am quite happy using konq and safari for my indic work until FF wakes up. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
2007/10/3, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 03-Oct-07, at 6:01 PM, Ajay Kumar wrote: We have checked the code into firefox to enable complex text layout necessary for some non latin scripts including many from indic, arabic, south east asian, and arabic languages. For anyone distributing firefox for these languages, please compile with the options required to enable CTL. We are not enabling it by default for everyone, because the performance penalty for the rest of the users does not justify the gains as most indic (or other such language) speakers browse the web in english. I repeat - if Konq can do it, why cant you? If konq can take the perfomance hit, why not you? I am quite happy using konq and safari for my indic work until FF wakes up. AFAIK - its enabled by default in Debian (etch, lenny) , Ubuntu (6.0x onwards) , Fedora (not sure of Mandriva). Regards, Karunakar ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
On 03-Oct-07, at 6:39 PM, Karunakar wrote: I repeat - if Konq can do it, why cant you? If konq can take the perfomance hit, why not you? I am quite happy using konq and safari for my indic work until FF wakes up. AFAIK - its enabled by default in Debian (etch, lenny) , Ubuntu (6.0x onwards) , not in ubuntu -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
I'll repeat. It is enabled by default in Ubuntu. You may need to set MOZ_ENABLE_PANGO=1 depending on your locale etc. Cheers, Ajay Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: On 03-Oct-07, at 6:39 PM, Karunakar wrote: I repeat - if Konq can do it, why cant you? If konq can take the perfomance hit, why not you? I am quite happy using konq and safari for my indic work until FF wakes up. AFAIK - its enabled by default in Debian (etch, lenny) , Ubuntu (6.0x onwards) , not in ubuntu ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
On 10/3/07, Kenneth Gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03-Oct-07, at 6:39 PM, Karunakar wrote: I repeat - if Konq can do it, why cant you? If konq can take the perfomance hit, why not you? I am quite happy using konq and safari for my indic work until FF wakes up. AFAIK - its enabled by default in Debian (etch, lenny) , Ubuntu (6.0x onwards) , not in ubuntu I have Ubuntu 7.04 and --enable-pango was there in my build flags. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves Associate, NRC-FOSS [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nrcfosshelpline.in/web/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Puneet ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
Puneet Lakhina wrote: I have Ubuntu 7.04 and --enable-pango was there in my build flags. Cool! Puneet, is it possible for you to post a summary of the steps required for any newbees reference. In addition to help boost firefox over ie, it will also help all the good people who were not able to use firefox for lack of out of the box Indic support, to switch back to their favorite browser. :) Cheers, Ajay ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
On 10/3/07, Ajay Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Puneet Lakhina wrote: I have Ubuntu 7.04 and --enable-pango was there in my build flags. Cool! Puneet, is it possible for you to post a summary of the steps required for any newbees reference. In addition to help boost firefox over ie, it will also help all the good people who were not able to use firefox for lack of out of the box Indic support, to switch back to their favorite browser. :) Wrote all that here: http://sahyog.blogspot.com/2007/10/enabling-indic-in-firefox-on-ubuntu.html But for any newbie reference I would still recomment visiting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Enabling_complex_text_support_for_Indic_scripts and looking under the GNOME and Debian sections for list of that to do. This site is more complete. Cheers, Ajay ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- Puneet ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Spam Re: Hindi Rendering Problem
Quoting Ajay Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Puneet Lakhina wrote: I have Ubuntu 7.04 and --enable-pango was there in my build flags. Cool! Puneet, is it possible for you to post a summary of the steps required for any newbees reference. In addition to help boost firefox over ie, it will also help all the good people who were not able to use firefox for lack of out of the box Indic support, to switch back to their favorite browser. :) why not boost Konqueror over IE - those guys are doing a great job ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Next Event: http://freed.in - September 28-29, 2007 Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
