Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[linuxlingam]

Hi sandip,
i thought you wanted to meet me at foss.in? Have been looking for you,
and now within another 4 hours the event is over.
There were some interesting talks here on foss audio, and quite a few
people from ilug-d (except msn, who's gone missing)
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 03-Dec-07, at 11:36 AM, Linux Lingam wrote:

> when i get back from foss.in am going to reformat and install  
> either feisty
> or gutsy. haven't heard too many rave reviews of gutsy but what the  
> heck
>
> [waits for kenneth to recommend mandriva :-) ]

upgrade to mandriva


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

On Dec 3, 2007 6:45 AM, Vikas Rawal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >
> > oh! great. okay, here's my standing offer to the entire ilug-d
> community.
> > i'd be glad to join anyone who wishes to go out ear-pricking for
> speakers or
> > gear. will carry some of my reference sample sounds and files which can
> > highlight flaws in even the most sensitive gear.
>
> you could start by giving a demo in the next ilugd meeting: sample
> sounds on bad audio gear and good audio gear...
>
> Acknowledging the spirit of volunteering in ilugd,



ok done, vikas.
in fact, would be a good idea if i can research a bit, install some sample
reference codecs so we can diff them, and also do 'blind' tests among the
group with ogg versus mp3. the bigger the group the better. we'll publish
the results of our tests on our wiki at linux-delhi. yeah!

so let's all get together and discuss what we can test. and how.

sandip at this point will probably volunteer to start a new thread... ;-)

:-)
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
> This is done by the speakers? I thought this kind of audio processing
> was done by AVRs.
>
> e.g. Yamaha calls it the "Compressed Music Enhancer" [1]
>
> [1] http://www.yamaha.com/yec/technology/detail.html?CNTID=451121
>

oh there are things that yamaha have done which are quite mind-blowing with
sound. discovered this about 5 months ago. telefantastic stuff :-)

i am just using generic terms here. obviously the active circuitry inside.
the speakers obviously have an amp circuit.
oh the crazy thing is that audophile gear no longer publish output specs.
this i think is a very good idea. in fact, great.
so my speakers don't have any ratings published on them.
this is a growing trend, and challenges users to start 'looking' at their
own ears from inside (!) rather than blindly read the incomprehensible
specs.

:-)
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

On Dec 3, 2007 7:00 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On 03-Dec-07, at 5:37 AM, Linux Lingam wrote:
>
> >> so its ok to shift from ogg to MP3?
> >>
> >
> > as a matter of foss-principle, i would opposte the idea.
> > stick to ogg. write a brief intro on how to playback ogg.
>
> but when even *you* who is the guru of sound, cannot play whats on
> the site, whats the point? It will end up like gNewsence and gNouse -
> idealogicaly pure but practically useless


who says i can't. i have, or rather, had, everything very neatly configured
here under feisty. unfortunately the last few updates and patches from
ubuntu have broken my feisty. as of yesterday, it is now totally unusable,
apart from logging and logging out, i can't do anything else with that
gestating whale.
when i get back from foss.in am going to reformat and install either feisty
or gutsy. haven't heard too many rave reviews of gutsy but what the heck

[waits for kenneth to recommend mandriva :-) ]
on another parttion will install kishore's all-time favourite fedora.

:-)
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

Linux Lingam wrote:
>>
>>
>> So which speakers did you finally end up buying?
> 
> 
> hehehee. would be very cheap of me to give you an answer with a brand name
> and model. :-)
> 
> otoh, here are a few reasons why i shortlisted that one:
> 
> a) mp3 compresses sound by dicarding a lot of frequencies. if you're
> sensitive to harmonics, you can catch that change. it also squeezes together
> the overall dynamic range, so with less data you get a smaller size. the
> speakers i purchased have in-built circuitry that analyze the sound in
> realtime, and apply some wizardry to synthetically re-create or regenerate
> 'lost sounds'. way too awesome.

This is done by the speakers? I thought this kind of audio processing
was done by AVRs.

e.g. Yamaha calls it the "Compressed Music Enhancer" [1]

[1] http://www.yamaha.com/yec/technology/detail.html?CNTID=451121


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Anant Narayanan]

On 03-Dec-07, at 9:20 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:
> 1. MP3 is covered by software patents.
>
> 2. India does not have software patents.
>
> When you put (1) and (2) together, the only conclusion that you can
> reach is that MP3 is not patentable in India, and hence free to use.

OTOH, the headline of today's Times of India in Bangalore: "US says  
it has rights to kidnap foreign citizens for crimes in the states".  
Robin Miller had in fact hinted towards this at Freed 07 ;)

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Raj Mathur]

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On Monday 03 Dec 2007, Linux Lingam wrote:
> On Dec 1, 2007 7:52 PM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > Is it true that wav and mp3 are
> > > considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to
> > > them? I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this -
> > > everything is in ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users
> > > can use it.
> >
> > MP3 isn't proprietary, at least not in India.  Other countries that
> > have software patents may have issues, but then should we care
> > about ``the rest of the world''? ;)
>
> i find this statement hard-to-believe. IIS Fraunhofer cannot or does
> not exercise its legal rights over mp3 in india? according to
> wikipedia they made 100million euros from mp3 by 2005. you mean to
> say if i write a commercial software for mp3 playback or encoding i
> don't have to pay IIS fraunhofer? what if i make some commodity
> hardware that works with mp3?

IANAL, YMMV, etc.

As far as I know:

1. MP3 is covered by software patents.

2. India does not have software patents.

When you put (1) and (2) together, the only conclusion that you can 
reach is that MP3 is not patentable in India, and hence free to use.

If you make a music player that renders MP3 files and sell it in India 
you should not have to pay any patent/licensing fees.  If you decide to 
sell it in some backward country that has software patents, you may 
need to appease the holder of the MP3 patent with large amounts of 
money.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 03-Dec-07, at 5:37 AM, Linux Lingam wrote:

>> so its ok to shift from ogg to MP3?
>>
>
> as a matter of foss-principle, i would opposte the idea.
> stick to ogg. write a brief intro on how to playback ogg.

but when even *you* who is the guru of sound, cannot play whats on  
the site, whats the point? It will end up like gNewsence and gNouse -  
idealogicaly pure but practically useless


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Vikas Rawal]

> 
> oh! great. okay, here's my standing offer to the entire ilug-d community.
> i'd be glad to join anyone who wishes to go out ear-pricking for speakers or
> gear. will carry some of my reference sample sounds and files which can
> highlight flaws in even the most sensitive gear.

you could start by giving a demo in the next ilugd meeting: sample
sounds on bad audio gear and good audio gear...

Acknowledging the spirit of volunteering in ilugd,

Vikas



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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
> so its ok to shift from ogg to MP3?
>

as a matter of foss-principle, i would opposte the idea.
stick to ogg. write a brief intro on how to playback ogg.

besides, technically ogg at high-compression sounds much better.

:-)
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
> So which speakers did you finally end up buying?


hehehee. would be very cheap of me to give you an answer with a brand name
and model. :-)

otoh, here are a few reasons why i shortlisted that one:

a) mp3 compresses sound by dicarding a lot of frequencies. if you're
sensitive to harmonics, you can catch that change. it also squeezes together
the overall dynamic range, so with less data you get a smaller size. the
speakers i purchased have in-built circuitry that analyze the sound in
realtime, and apply some wizardry to synthetically re-create or regenerate
'lost sounds'. way too awesome.
true, there have been a spate of recent developments in re-fleshing mp3
sounds. BBE is a popular tool, you might find it in your car stereo system.
think of this as taking a full-color photo, creating a low-res color
photocopy, and then handing it back to a software that studies the photocopy
and tries to recreate the original full-color photo.

b) the system tries not to color the sound, but tries very hard to adapt the
output as close as possible to the human ear response curves. the result is
a natural, pleasing, and sweet sound, even at high volumes, with none or
minimal clipping (would depend on your recording).

the downside: the speakers don't run on batteries, and though small, are not
exactly portable. i had a very tough choice about buying them due to this.
finally, i resolved that i will never quite be satisfied by any other
speaker that sounds too tinny, so i'd better take a firm decision to pack
these speakers while travelling and stick to my headphones for truly
portable sound. am glad i took this decision.


Thanks for the Solfege
> tip. The audio bug bit me recently, and after quite a sharp learning
> curve over a weekend I ended up buying gear whose brands I had not heard
> till about a week before. I am planning to buy an additional pair of
> speakers, and this is the kind of tip I was looking out for to make my
> decision.



oh! great. okay, here's my standing offer to the entire ilug-d community.
i'd be glad to join anyone who wishes to go out ear-pricking for speakers or
gear. will carry some of my reference sample sounds and files which can
highlight flaws in even the most sensitive gear.

plus, have noticed how manufacturers have cleverly started to 'color' or
tamper with sound-reproduction to sound better in the high-reflection and
noisy ambience of retail shops. take the gear home and it sounds pathetic
among your heavy furnishings and contrasting interiors. you start doubting
your own ears. well, the next time that happens to you, test your gear in
your bathroom and you'll be amazed how it sounds better there.
so i trained my ears to sort of 'calibrate' for the noisy environment, then
switch off everything mentally, and carefully listen to the reference sample
to understand how the gear colors the sound. often, something that may sound
a bit dull in a retail showroom, will sound exceptionally great in your
wood-panelled interiors.

of course, i would be glad to come along if it is convenient to me. testing
gear takes time, so please never be in a hurry, and before starting out do
spend a week or two to train your ears and memorize parts of a reference
sample sound.

>
>
> Niyam, keep posting audio related FOSS tips from time to time out here.


blag? nah.
i wonder what is a better way to engage in a conversation on foss-related
audio.


>
> :) And yes, I will buzz you at foss.in too.
>

great. see you there.
:-)
niyam

>
> Thanks,
>  Sandip
>
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>ell,, I'd love to give a talk, but it might be a year or so
>  before I am in Delhi again (The last couple of visits to India I _have_
>  indeed flown in through Delhi). In the meanwhile, I'll try looking over
>  my old notes and see if I can blog about how I created a gcc cross
>  compiler to compile rockbox sources with patches (I applied the album
>  art patch).
>
>manoj


a blog would indeed be a great idea. just sound out the list once you get it
up.
thanks

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

On Dec 1, 2007 7:52 PM, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > [snip]
> > Is it true that wav and mp3 are
> > considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I
> > am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in
> > ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.
>
> MP3 isn't proprietary, at least not in India.  Other countries that have
> software patents may have issues, but then should we care about ``the
> rest of the world''? ;)


i find this statement hard-to-believe. IIS Fraunhofer cannot or does not
exercise its legal rights over mp3 in india? according to wikipedia they
made 100million euros from mp3 by 2005. you mean to say if i write a
commercial software for mp3 playback or encoding i don't have to pay IIS
fraunhofer? what if i make some commodity hardware that works with mp3?

please explain.

:-)
niyam


>
> Regards,
>
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

On Dec 1, 2007 5:41 PM, Saleem Ansari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >
> >I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did
> >  have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays
> >  oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key.  What more can one ask?
> >
> >manoj
> >
>
> Hey,
> Just installed rockbox ( www.rockbox.org ) on my Ipod Video (30GB, 5th
> Generation ). Rockbox simply rocks!
>
> Installation is pretty straightforward.
>
> Thanks :-)


rockbox has improved considerably since i last took a look at it. thanks
guys, for the heads-up. if and when they work with the new ipods, i might
consider getting one for myself.
incidentally, rockbox hits the core issue: the superior quality of its mp3
decoder. when i moved my first production computer, onsite, to gnulinux, i
think it was redhat 6.x, the first thing i noticed was the way superior
quality of the cdplayer for playback of music, in comparison to the windows
counterpart.
that was quite a high for me: same hardware, with the same soundcard,
speakers, audio cd, cdrom drive, and the difference was noticeable. since
then have been very choosy of any decoder whether in hardware or software.
testing the quality of decoders is a complete discipline in itself.

:-)
niyam

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

On Dec 1, 2007 2:07 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> On 01-Dec-07, at 1:47 PM, Linux Lingam wrote:
>
> > a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else!
> > yea! you've been volunteered.
>
> how come you never volunteer anyone who is less than a 1000
> kilometers away from Delhi?
>
>
takes a lot of practise. [raj, is that a noun or a verb?]

:-)
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 7:52 PM, Raj Mathur wrote:

>> Is it true that wav and mp3 are
>> considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I
>> am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in
>> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.
>
> MP3 isn't proprietary, at least not in India.  Other countries that  
> have
> software patents may have issues, but then should we care about ``the
> rest of the world''? ;)

so its ok to shift from ogg to MP3?


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Sandip Bhattacharya]

Linux Lingam wrote:

> by the way, that ear-training tip really works. here's what i recommend:
> before you set out to buy any audio gear, spend about a week or atleast 21
> days with solfege, the gpl ear-training software. say about 30 minutes a
> day. you may spend more time if you wish. for those 21 days, pick up an
> acoustically rich piece of music as your reference point. listen to that
> piece at least twice or thrice every day until you can know every subtle
> nuance by memory. don't bother using highly-compressed mp3 or other
> file-formats. pick a pristine-quality wav file, or an original audiocd or
> audio-dvd. [i mean audio-dvd, not a data dvd crammed with hissy mp3 files].
> 
> finally, discard the hypnotism of brand-faith and loyalty. take your
> reference musicfile, and go test the audio-gear. you'll always be startled
> at your choices. like me, you may just develop reverence and deep
> appreciation for one of the finest foss utility software i know out there:
> solfege. it's not just zero-price, but priceless.
> 
> last week i spent 5 hours in various outlets with a friend, testing portable
> speakers for my mp3player. you gotta hear the stuff i brought home. no other
> customer in the shop was even glancing at it. the shop-manager was quite
> clueless about its capabilities. by the way, bought it so i could listen to
> some music in my room in bangalore, through foss.in next week. so those of
> you attending foss.in and interested to prick your ears to its sound, buzz
> me. you'd appreciate it even more if you muck around with solfege and have a
> reference file.
> 

So which speakers did you finally end up buying? Thanks for the Solfege
tip. The audio bug bit me recently, and after quite a sharp learning
curve over a weekend I ended up buying gear whose brands I had not heard
till about a week before. I am planning to buy an additional pair of
speakers, and this is the kind of tip I was looking out for to make my
decision.

Niyam, keep posting audio related FOSS tips from time to time out here.
:) And yes, I will buzz you at foss.in too.

Thanks,
  Sandip


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[Kazim Zaidi]

On 01/12/2007, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less
> DRM-friendly company.


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using gnomad2. Its just great!

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:47:58 +0530, Linux Lingam
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>> I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did have to
>> build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays oggs. Works
>> as a 60GB USB key.  What more can one ask?

> awesome! manoj, i know what more one can ask.

> a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else!  yea!
> you've been volunteered.  i suppose the next meet will be the third
> week of dec, though have heard danese cooper is here perhaps on 11dec
> with a special meet with ilug-d, open to all who wish to attend.

> gora mohanty has an announcement to make on this, yeah?  :-) niyam

ell,, I'd love to give a talk, but it might be a year or so
 before I am in Delhi again (The last couple of visits to India I _have_
 indeed flown in through Delhi). In the meanwhile, I'll try looking over
 my old notes and see if I can blog about how I created a gcc cross
 compiler to compile rockbox sources with patches (I applied the album
 art patch).

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Raj Mathur]

On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> [snip]
> Is it true that wav and mp3 are 
> considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I
> am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in
> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.

MP3 isn't proprietary, at least not in India.  Other countries that have 
software patents may have issues, but then should we care about ``the 
rest of the world''? ;)

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Saleem Ansari]

>
>I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did
>  have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays
>  oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key.  What more can one ask?
>
>manoj
>

Hey,
Just installed rockbox ( www.rockbox.org ) on my Ipod Video (30GB, 5th
Generation ). Rockbox simply rocks!

Installation is pretty straightforward.

Thanks :-)

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 2:27 PM, mehul wrote:

>> I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything  
>> is in
>> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.
>
> WIth right plugins everyone should be able to. It had worked fine for
> me on firefox + gentoo. I believe it's he mplayerplug-in that works  
> for
> me.

good to hear - incidently, firefox on mandriva and Suse also plays  
it. But konq does it better. Other distros dont seem to be able to  
play ogg at all - or maybe the arichuvadi code is faulty.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[mehul]

On 12/1/07, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in
> ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.

WIth right plugins everyone should be able to. It had worked fine for
me on firefox + gentoo. I believe it's he mplayerplug-in that works for
me.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 2:03 PM, Linux Lingam wrote:

> none was available in the indian market then. today we finally have  
> choices.
> what's your ogg player? do you convert mp3 to ogg, or do you  
> convert wav to
> ogg? which software do you prefer?

in the first place I dont listen to music (it's just noise to me). I  
create sound files in ogg with audacity. Listen to them in konq and  
other kde apps on mandriva. Is it true that wav and mp3 are  
considered proprietary and that no FOSS person can listen to them? I  
am having problems with arichuvadi because of this - everything is in  
ogg, and no-one except Suse and Mandriva users can use it.


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 1:47 PM, Linux Lingam wrote:

> a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else!
> yea! you've been volunteered.

how come you never volunteer anyone who is less than a 1000  
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

On Dec 1, 2007 7:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> stick to ogg
>
>
> --
> regards
>
> Kenneth Gonsalves
> Associate, NRC-FOSS
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



yeah kenneth, ogg is superior to mp3 in low-to-mid settings, that is, when
files are heavily compressed.
at audiophile-quality, not even the best experts can often make out the
difference between a wav, an mp3, or an ogg. they are all comparable.

when i bought my coby, had already spent 2 months looking for an ogg player.
none was available in the indian market then. today we finally have choices.
what's your ogg player? do you convert mp3 to ogg, or do you convert wav to
ogg? which software do you prefer?
:-)
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
>I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did
>  have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays
>  oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key.  What more can one ask?
>

awesome! manoj, i know what more one can ask.

a talk by you at the next ilug-d meeting on this. what else!
yea! you've been volunteered.
i suppose the next meet will be the third week of dec,
though have heard danese cooper is here perhaps on 11dec with a special meet
with ilug-d, open to all who wish to attend.

gora mohanty has an announcement to make on this, yeah?
:-)
niyam


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
> ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less
> DRM-friendly company.
>
> Regards,
>
> -- Raju
>

yeah raj, i ain't brand conscious at all. i have a trusty and cheap
1.5gbcoby mp3player that turned out to have one of the best mp3
decoders in town
at that time. i checked apple, creative, sony, samsung, philip, and a few
more. was rather surprised as i thought coby was some el cheapo brand. those
days was deep into some ear-training practise with a 440hz tuning fork (the
fossies here could instead check out the foss-software solfege, that helps
in ear-training). so i bought the coby in sep 2005. thought for that price
it wouldn't last more than 6 months. despite heavy, punishing use, that
thing is still rockin'.
it connects to linux desktops as a simple usb storage device, no fuss, no
apple drm-dance loops. have even transferred data on it concurrently.

by the way, that ear-training tip really works. here's what i recommend:
before you set out to buy any audio gear, spend about a week or atleast 21
days with solfege, the gpl ear-training software. say about 30 minutes a
day. you may spend more time if you wish. for those 21 days, pick up an
acoustically rich piece of music as your reference point. listen to that
piece at least twice or thrice every day until you can know every subtle
nuance by memory. don't bother using highly-compressed mp3 or other
file-formats. pick a pristine-quality wav file, or an original audiocd or
audio-dvd. [i mean audio-dvd, not a data dvd crammed with hissy mp3 files].

finally, discard the hypnotism of brand-faith and loyalty. take your
reference musicfile, and go test the audio-gear. you'll always be startled
at your choices. like me, you may just develop reverence and deep
appreciation for one of the finest foss utility software i know out there:
solfege. it's not just zero-price, but priceless.

last week i spent 5 hours in various outlets with a friend, testing portable
speakers for my mp3player. you gotta hear the stuff i brought home. no other
customer in the shop was even glancing at it. the shop-manager was quite
clueless about its capabilities. by the way, bought it so i could listen to
some music in my room in bangalore, through foss.in next week. so those of
you attending foss.in and interested to prick your ears to its sound, buzz
me. you'd appreciate it even more if you muck around with solfege and have a
reference file.

:-)
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Manoj Srivastava]

On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 07:26:32 +0530, Raj Mathur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: 

> On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Devendra Laulkar wrote:
>> [snip] Moral of the story - Stick to one application for transferring
>> any songs.

> ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less
> DRM-friendly company.

I have an IPOD. I use the free rockbox software on it (I did
 have to build a cross compiling tool chain on my machine). Plays
 oggs. Works as a 60GB USB key.  What more can one ask? 

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[मनीष]

On Dec 1, 2007 7:32 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 01-Dec-07, at 7:26 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:
>
> >> [snip]
> >> Moral of the story - Stick to one application for
> >> transferring any songs.
> >
> > ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less
> > DRM-friendly company.
>
> stick to ogg
>

Samsung YP-U3 is thy name. :)  Small, simple, functional, FM tuner,
voice recording, plays usual suspects /and/ ogg.  And no MTP bullshit.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Kenneth Gonsalves]

On 01-Dec-07, at 7:26 AM, Raj Mathur wrote:

>> [snip]
>> Moral of the story - Stick to one application for
>> transferring any songs.
>
> ...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less
> DRM-friendly company.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Raj Mathur]

On Saturday 01 Dec 2007, Devendra Laulkar wrote:
> [snip]
> Moral of the story - Stick to one application for
> transferring any songs.

...or perhaps buy your MP3 players from a more FOSS-friendly and less 
DRM-friendly company.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
> Moral of the story - Stick to one application for
> transferring any songs.
>
> -Devendra.
>
>
if iTunes ain't the one.
don't wanna use it, don't wanna install it, don't wanna know it.
which is the one that ensures when i start with connectin' for some juice
from my faithful iron here,
my bonney does not lie over the ocean?


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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Devendra Laulkar]

Hi,

>P.S. In any case, it is possible to restore the iPod
to >"factory  
>defaults" erasing everything on the disk. Even if the
>initialization  
>goes awry you can always connect it to iTunes and
>restore it.

Not necessarily. My ipod was rendered unusable for
about 3-4 months before I could get it working.
Basically I used amarok on Ubuntu to transfer some
files , and later as soon as I used to connect the
Ipod to a win machine, Itunes used to crash. Later on,
even amarok stopped detecting the ipod. Even gtkpod
did not recognize the it.

Finally I used some freeware and deleted all the songs
from the ipod, and now I can use it using gtkpod.

Moral of the story - Stick to one application for
transferring any songs.

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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Linux Lingam]

>
>
>
> It depends on the firmware version. All versions except the latest
> one are supported by Amarok, libgpod, rythmbox et. al. and you can
> safely use them to create the iTunesDB. If you use the iPod with
> Linux only, i.e. never try to "upgrade" to the latest firmware via
> iTunes, the iPod will happily sing for you everafter.
>

thanks anant for whispering words of wisdom in my darkest hour.
so do i let it be?
there will be an answer,
to how do i discover the firmware version?
or do i let it be,
and sleep beatless tonight?

 :-)
niyam

>
> Cheers,
> Anant
>
> P.S. In any case, it is possible to restore the iPod to "factory
> defaults" erasing everything on the disk. Even if the initialization
> goes awry you can always connect it to iTunes and restore it.
>


oh! yeah, glad to know it gets back to where it once belonged.

get back ipod!

:-)
n
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Re: [ilugd] amarok on ubuntu wants to initialize ipod

[Anant Narayanan]

> what gives?
> anybody, jimi hendrix wants to know are you experienced?
> have you ever connected a spankin' new pod straight out of the box  
> to the
> linux thing
> and got it singin' the blue-screen of death metal?

It depends on the firmware version. All versions except the latest  
one are supported by Amarok, libgpod, rythmbox et. al. and you can  
safely use them to create the iTunesDB. If you use the iPod with  
Linux only, i.e. never try to "upgrade" to the latest firmware via  
iTunes, the iPod will happily sing for you everafter.

Cheers,
Anant

P.S. In any case, it is possible to restore the iPod to "factory  
defaults" erasing everything on the disk. Even if the initialization  
goes awry you can always connect it to iTunes and restore it.

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