Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-08, Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> exokernel..

> C.. 

To summarise:

Return the low-level.
Remove the mid-level.
Add the high-level.

-- 
Tuomo

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Roy Lanek]

> > (Well, I doubt there's a semi-usable non-fascist platform left
> > by then. So much does the present state of FOSS and the course
> > it is taking suck. Although, with enough manpower, it might be
> > possible to write a full OS in eight years. So who's signing up?-)
> 
> 
> Here's an honest question: what language do people think the next operating
> system, the one that Ion users are most likely to write, will be written in? C
> is the default choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something else...

It has been done already--in (significantly) less than eight years, an by
mainly just two people only: Niklaus Wirth and Juerg Gutknecht, from the Swiss
Federal Institute of Technology in Zuerich [ETHZ]. It's the Oberon OS, and
it's written in Oberon [the homonym programming language].

I would prefer Modula-3 ... among the nicest programming languages I know:
based on Modula-2 minus its problematic features, VERY NICE, tiny, yet
POWERFUL, SIMPLE, EFFICIENT and FAST, supporting interfaces, objects,
generics, lightweight threads, isolation of unsafe code, garbage collection,
exceptions and subtyping.

The fact is [I think] that Modula-3 has been a DEC [Digital Equipment] and
Olivetti project, not an ETHZ one, and that Modula-3 has outclassed the
original Oberon by far. [Wirth has not been/is ?! not an easy man.]

So do things go, unfortunately: a gem of a programming language-Modula-3--who
has been unjustly [or maybe actively?] *forgotten* or *marginalized* with the
exception of Canada, perhaps. (As another example, the winner of Ada [83] has
also not been the most promising project.) And a programming language which is
still unsurpassed today, under many perspectives, and *modern*. One galaxy or
two aside, compared with C, in any case. [Python's Guido van Rossum claims to
have been inspired by Modula-3, to let us understand.]

With Ada [tasking, among other things] and Eiffel [design by contract],
both contemporary to Modula-3, the job of truly innovating in the domain of
programming languages has reached its zenith, likely.

Anyway, there are *free* implementations of Modula-3 though.

Then I know that an experimental OS has been written in Ada[83],
and that the OS has been said to be slow. (I would not chose
Ada.)

I would stay away from C++.

Cheers,

/Roy
-- 
S   tak ada rotan, akar pun jadi
S . s l a c k w a r e  SS   no rattans, roots will do [if you are
S + linux  SS   desperate, you must not be choosy]
S

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-07, Bryan Richter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's an honest question: what language do people think the next
> operating system, the one that Ion users are most likely to write, will be
> written in? C is the default choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was
> something else...

C.. and then some.

There's just no way around it: for any serious work you want C.
Or maybe some other relatively simple language close to the 
hardware, with better safety... and tagged unions. (What was 
this one C derivative?) But the benefits of such an alternative
(except for tagged unions) are not so great, because you only
want to write relatively simple things in C/it. You don't want
to write much abstractions in C. You do low level gruntwork of 
core libraries in C, provide a very simple API, and use whatever
language you want with better abstractions and better safety 
(hence typically no dynamically-typed scripting languages, but 
rather e.g. Haskell), to access the services provided by the C 
core libraries. This is easy because the API is simple (instead 
of OO bloat).

Non-performance critical libraries could also be written in 
other languages (such as Haskell), and they could provide a
simple C API, but conflicting runtimes present a problem. Many
languages (including Haskell, java, etc.) want to be operating
systems themselves these days. 

Instead of using the operating system's namespace to locate their
libraries, they want to impose their own module and package 
namespaces and hierarchies.

Instead of exposing the operating system's libraries and services,
and letting the program author choose either some real platform 
or a compatibility layer (platform), they want you to use their 
own compatibility layer. Megalomania pure and simple. And in 
exchange cross-language compatibility is reduced. For that you
either you either have to write for the "C runtime" (i.e. the OS),
or you need something like CLR (common language runtime). 

I think the C option could promote better API practises instead
of OO-bloat. You _do_ often want to write higher-level APIs suited
to the practises and mechanisms of any particular language, instead
of enforcing an uniform one. Those exposing a simple easy wrappable
API not dependent on the idiosyncracies of any particular language
or design methodology (such as OO-bloat), should work best.

-- 
Tuomo

Re: Some help to create a screen ruler.

[Michaël Cadilhac]

Tuomo Valkonen writes:

> On 2008-02-07, Michaël Cadilhac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Any idea=A0?  TIA!
>
> See the recent post about luatcc, and man XQueryPointer.
> Or just use XQueryPointer in a custom program.
> Maybe there already is one.

Thank you very much, Tuomo, especially for your unfailing promptness.
What I was coding was pretty much the same as xmousepos(1), so I'll use
that.

Happy hacking.

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Re: Some help to create a screen ruler.

[Michaël Cadilhac]

Etan S. C. Reisner writes:

> As mentioned on this list previously there is a set of tools called
> xautomation

Thank you for repeating that, then :-)

Gentoo has a package called `xautomation', but it dates back to 2004 ; I
wonder why.  At that time, I suppose the package didn't include the
xmousepos binary.

> P.S. I'm curious why you need to measure the distance between two points
> on your screen with such regularity.

I use a lot of maps :-) If they're on a website (for instance google
maps), I usually screenshot the page and open it in the Gimp.

Thanks again.

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Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Bryan Richter]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 06:40:07AM +, Tuomo Valkonen wrote:
> 2002-02-07 - Last release of Ion1 (it never had ds/rc/stable) 
> 2004-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion2
> 2008-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion3
> 2016-02-07 - ?  
> 
> (Well, I doubt there's a semi-usable non-fascist platform left
> by then. So much does the present state of FOSS and the course
> it is taking suck. Although, with enough manpower, it might be
> possible to write a full OS in eight years. So who's signing up?-)


Here's an honest question: what language do people think the next operating
system, the one that Ion users are most likely to write, will be written in? C
is the default choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was something else...

I don't have a guess, myself. I have no experience yet. What I would like to
see, however, is a new language designed for the new task of writing a modern
operating system. But even then, what features would this language have?

If only I was wealthy, or could magically procure grants for myself. I'd love to
research these questions.

-- 
Bryan Richter
aka chreekat

Re: Some help to create a screen ruler.

[Etan S. C. Reisner]

On Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 05:13:39PM -0500, Michaël Cadilhac wrote:

> The simplest way would probably be to assign a key to "The current
> position of the cursor is point A", then upon re-hit "The curr.. point
> B" and print the result (|A-B|) somewhere.
>
> Any idea ?  TIA!

As mentioned on this list previously there is a set of tools called
xautomation, one of those tools is the xmousepos tool which,
unsurprisingly, gets and sets the location of the mouse cursor. That
should give you what you need for your 'simplest' case.

I don't know about other distributions but debian has it packaged as
'xautomation' if yours doesn't the homepage is
http://hoopajoo.net/projects/xautomation.html .

-Etan

P.S. I'm curious why you need to measure the distance between two points
on your screen with such regularity.

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-07, Samuel Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What about the other kernel tasks? Just handled by other processes in
> userspace? 

Mostly, yes. Scheduler may need to be in the kernel. Dunno how it
is in existing exokernels, but they do not e.g. include message-
passing as microkernels too. That's handled by user side through
the kernel-provided memory management. File systems are obviously
in user space.. and programs can simply directly allocate disk
pages from the kernel, if they don't care to use a file system 
service. (Over reboots they somehow have to remember their
root pages, however. This is actually related to the orthogonal
persistence of EROS.)

> That'd be very interesting and very cool. Abstraction is
> very very good. I wouldn't imagine writing an OS that wouldn't include
> device abstraction (for drives, at the very least).

Actually, I see the lightweight exokernel as a somewhat of a 
return to the golden age of DOS. Device drivers can be abstracted
as libraries too, when the device doesn't have to be shared, and
any program can use the library. The kernel just takes care that 
no two processes use the device's memory space simultaneously. 
Now, obviously a sound server that mixes multiple streams is a 
useful one, as is a display multiplexer, but you don't particularly
need a specific low-level driver service, but rather drivers within
such much higher level services. Basically a bit like the X server
presently is actually, but hopefully without its reliability 
problems.. (also to consider how to do DRI shit nicely while not
giving any bloated and unreliable program full control of such 
a critical resource).

-- 
Tuomo

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Samuel Baldwin]

2008/2/7, Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> They have some useful ideas, but the system stinks too much
> of obsolete and unix... and rats.

The stench most of us live in. But very true.

> Everything's a file... great, but could we move past text files
> with a proprietary syntax, and having to parse them with quick
> and dirty hacks? How about a more efficient standard structural
> _binary_ format? For all the pipes too? And the shell, kind of
> like Microsoft PowerShell, but better? (Instead of piping objects
> with a display routine among other things, piping structural data
> with specified stylesheet for display kind of like XML files, but
> without the inefficient text encoding of XML.)

A very interesting idea.. Can't say I've touched powershell. I think
idea of a XML like stylesheet for output is a good one. I'd be very
interesting to see this shell.

> As for the kernel... how about an exokernel? (Or at least what
> I've understood it to be: basically the kernel provides only
> memory management, with disk pages handled analoguously like
> memory pages, abstracting away the actual devices. Even a lot
> of the memory management is on user-side, with the kernel just
> verifying claims, or so.) As for security, how about an object
> capability system (see: EROS, Coytos, CapROS) in user space
> outside the exokernel?

What about the other kernel tasks? Just handled by other processes in
userspace? That'd be very interesting and very cool. Abstraction is
very very good. I wouldn't imagine writing an OS that wouldn't include
device abstraction (for drives, at the very least).

> And the user interface beyond the command line? Vis.

Of course we'd probably need much better user input devices. Something
like a dataglove would be fantastic.

> And so on. I have and there must be more ideas along similar
> lines, and if one really started spending time thinking about
> it and unifying them, one might be able to come up with a
> very nice, clean and flexible design, intead of a random
> clusterfuck.

Well, you can't NOT have a random clusterfuck with most OSS shit. (/me
points at PHP).  Not that I don't like OSS, actually, but still.

-- 
Samuel 'Shardz' Baldwin
Shardz's Igloo: shardz.homelinux.net // Down at the moment
Registered GNU/Linux User #410639

Re: Some help to create a screen ruler.

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-07, Michaël Cadilhac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Any idea=A0?  TIA!

See the recent post about luatcc, and man XQueryPointer.
Or just use XQueryPointer in a custom program.
Maybe there already is one.

-- 
Tuomo

Some help to create a screen ruler.

[Michaël Cadilhac]

Hi there !

I'm a lousy programmer when graphical things are concerned ; but heck, I
more than often need to measure the distance between two points on my
screen.  I think it's not worth learning the (huge) basics of Qt just to
be able to make a screen ruler, so I was wondering if there's a simple
way to do that within Ion itself.

The simplest way would probably be to assign a key to "The current
position of the cursor is point A", then upon re-hit "The curr.. point
B" and print the result (|A-B|) somewhere.

Any idea ?  TIA!

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Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-07, Samuel Baldwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I say we start with Plan 9 From Bell Labs and work from there.

They have some useful ideas, but the system stinks too much
of obsolete and unix... and rats.

Everything's a file... great, but could we move past text files
with a proprietary syntax, and having to parse them with quick
and dirty hacks? How about a more efficient standard structural
_binary_ format? For all the pipes too? And the shell, kind of 
like Microsoft PowerShell, but better? (Instead of piping objects
with a display routine among other things, piping structural data
with specified stylesheet for display kind of like XML files, but
without the inefficient text encoding of XML.)

As for the kernel... how about an exokernel? (Or at least what
I've understood it to be: basically the kernel provides only 
memory management, with disk pages handled analoguously like 
memory pages, abstracting away the actual devices. Even a lot
of the memory management is on user-side, with the kernel just
verifying claims, or so.) As for security, how about an object
capability system (see: EROS, Coytos, CapROS) in user space 
outside the exokernel? 

And the user interface beyond the command line? Vis. 

And so on. I have and there must be more ideas along similar 
lines, and if one really started spending time thinking about 
it and unifying them, one might be able to come up with a 
very nice, clean and flexible design, intead of a random 
clusterfuck.

-- 
Tuomo

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Samuel Baldwin]

2008/2/7, Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> (Well, I doubt there's a semi-usable non-fascist platform left
> by then. So much does the present state of FOSS and the course
> it is taking suck. Although, with enough manpower, it might be
> possible to write a full OS in eight years. So who's signing up?-)

I say we start with Plan 9 From Bell Labs and work from there.


-- 
Samuel 'Shardz' Baldwin
Shardz's Igloo: shardz.homelinux.net // Down at the moment
Registered GNU/Linux User #410639

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-07, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By the way, to use wikipedia.org on geopolitics in general, and on the former
> Soviet Union in particular, is like to use the Vatican as reference for
> telling on ...?! the 'position of the lotus'; Microsoft on Ion; and Wander
> [Switzerland] of the chocolate beverage Ovomaltine on the Russian vodka
> Stolichnaya.

Trusting the actual content of wikipedia... *shudder*. But there's 
some hope that they can get the date of an actual event correct. 
(At least the Wikipedia pages on those subjects agreed with the 
February_7 listing, which is better than things often are.)

> Moreover: good luck--but hey: good riddance--to call the *creation* of the EU
> [perhaps incorporated Europe?] the "birth of an empire."

Much lesser things are called empires.

-- 
Tuomo

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Roy Lanek]

> >> 2002-02-07 - Last release of Ion1 (it never had ds/rc/stable) 
> >> 2004-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion2
> >> 2008-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion3
> >> 2016-02-07 - ?  
> >
> > Well-well, Euler aside it's entertaining to see that this stable release of
> > Ion occurs simultaneously with the begin of the year of the ... rat [mouse] 
> > :)
> 
> Other coincidences include the death of one empire and the birth of
> another 
> 
> 1990-02-07 - Collapse of the Soviet Union: The Central Committee of the Soviet
>  Communist Party agrees to give up its monopoly on power.
> 
> 1992-02-07 - The Maastricht Treaty is signed, leading to the creation of the
>  European Union.
>

It's not the same kind of coincidences. The Chinese new year doesn't occur at
the same date modulo one year ... examples:

 Chinese new year dates


 2005 - Feb. 9 
 2006 - Jan. 29
 2007 - Feb. 18
 2008 - Feb. 7 
 2009 - Jan. 26
 2010 - Feb. 14
 2011 - Feb. 3 
 2012 - Jan. 23

while on both 1990-02-07 and 1992-02-07 there was no Ion yet.

By the way, to use wikipedia.org on geopolitics in general, and on the former
Soviet Union in particular, is like to use the Vatican as reference for
telling on ...?! the 'position of the lotus'; Microsoft on Ion; and Wander
[Switzerland] of the chocolate beverage Ovomaltine on the Russian vodka
Stolichnaya.

Moreover: good luck--but hey: good riddance--to call the *creation* of the EU
[perhaps incorporated Europe?] the "birth of an empire."

Cheers,

/Roy
-- 
S   anjing menggonggong, kafilah tetap berlalu
S . s l a c k w a r e  SS   the dogs are barking, the caravan moves on
S + linux  SS   [illustrates useless protest, critic, or
S   sarcasm]

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Evgeny Kurbatov]

>> real men use so many nested instances of screen on different
>> machines that we forget how many times to press Ctrl-A
>> to get to the start of the line.
> 
> So what about configuring your screen to use Ctrl-G instead:
> 
> $ cat ~/.screenrc
> escape ^G^G
> termcapinfo xterm 'hs:ts=\E]2;:fs=\007:ds=\E]2;screen\007'
> termcapinfo rxvt 'hs:ts=\E]2;:fs=\007:ds=\E]2;screen\007'
> hardstatus string "%H [screen %n%?: %t%?] %h"

It's not the true kosher way, real men can not fall so much...

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-07, Roy Lanek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2002-02-07 - Last release of Ion1 (it never had ds/rc/stable) 
>> 2004-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion2
>> 2008-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion3
>> 2016-02-07 - ?  
>
> Well-well, Euler aside it's entertaining to see that this stable release of
> Ion occurs simultaneously with the begin of the year of the ... rat [mouse] :)

Other coincidences include the death of one empire and the birth of
another 

1990-02-07 - Collapse of the Soviet Union: The Central Committee of the Soviet
 Communist Party agrees to give up its monopoly on power.

1992-02-07 - The Maastricht Treaty is signed, leading to the creation of the
 European Union.

-- 
Tuomo

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Jorge Gajon]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2002-02-07 - Last release of Ion1 (it never had ds/rc/stable)
>  2004-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion2
>  2008-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion3
>  2016-02-07 - ?
>
>  (Well, I doubt there's a semi-usable non-fascist platform left
>  by then. So much does the present state of FOSS and the course
>  it is taking suck. Although, with enough manpower, it might be
>  possible to write a full OS in eight years. So who's signing up?-)
>

Thank you Tuomo,

I've just finished compiling and installing the stable release and
nothing broke ;)

I'll wait patiently for the 2016 release. Thanks again.

Regards,
- Jorge

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Tibor Simko]

Hello:

On Thu, 07 Feb 2008, Samer Abdallah wrote:

> real men use so many nested instances of screen on different
> machines that we forget how many times to press Ctrl-A
> to get to the start of the line.

So what about configuring your screen to use Ctrl-G instead:

$ cat ~/.screenrc
escape ^G^G
termcapinfo xterm 'hs:ts=\E]2;:fs=\007:ds=\E]2;screen\007'
termcapinfo rxvt 'hs:ts=\E]2;:fs=\007:ds=\E]2;screen\007'
hardstatus string "%H [screen %n%?: %t%?] %h"

Best regards
-- 
Tibor Simko

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Samer Abdallah]

real men use so many nested instances of screen on different
machines that we forget how many times to press Ctrl-A
to get to the start of the line.

On 7 Feb 2008, at 13:54, Evgeny Kurbatov wrote:




--/--/-..- --/---/.-./..././--/.-././--./../---/-. ..--..

At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-)))


Please, don't tell me you're using The One True WindowManager and are
not using The One True Editor :)
http://xkcd.com/378/


Hey, all the real men use Emacs, right?
They start eterm, run telnet in it then establish SMTP connection and
make post into this maillist.

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-07, Evgeny Kurbatov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
 --/--/-..- --/---/.-./..././--/.-././--./../---/-. ..--..
>>> At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-)))
>> 
>> Please, don't tell me you're using The One True WindowManager and are
>> not using The One True Editor :)
>> http://xkcd.com/378/
>
> Hey, all the real men use Emacs, right?

Real men think emacs are electrically powered trucks, or something, dude.

Trendy men fathom that emacs is the plural of eMac.

Geeks think emacs is a text editor.

Über-geeks know that it is an operating system... albeit a very clunky one.


PS. I use joe .


-- 
Tuomo

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Sylvain Abélard]

> I'm using the other editor

I wouldn't want to start a flame here (especially since I started it)
so I'll just respect that ;)

> > http://xkcd.com/378/
> Thanks for link. I didn't knew this comic. Great stuff.  :-)

This comic is really impressive and loads of fun for geeks.
Once you've browsed everything, you may be interested in reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xkcd#Life_imitates_xkcd
http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/11/19/growing-up/
http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/10/01/the-meetup/

just to be convinced this guy must be a mage of some kind.

-- 
Sylvain Abélard
"J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé." -Voltaire

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Christian Walther]

On 07/02/2008, Sylvain Abélard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --/--/-..- --/---/.-./..././--/.-././--./../---/-. ..--..
> > At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-)))
>
> Please, don't tell me you're using The One True WindowManager and are
> not using The One True Editor :)

Honestly? No, I'm not. :-)
I'm using the other editor and I don't need to say anything about the
WM I use. ;-)

> http://xkcd.com/378/
Thanks for link. I didn't knew this comic. Great stuff.  :-)

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Evgeny Kurbatov]

>>> --/--/-..- --/---/.-./..././--/.-././--./../---/-. ..--..
>> At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-)))
> 
> Please, don't tell me you're using The One True WindowManager and are
> not using The One True Editor :)
> http://xkcd.com/378/

Hey, all the real men use Emacs, right?
They start eterm, run telnet in it then establish SMTP connection and
make post into this maillist.

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Sylvain Abélard]

> > --/--/-..- --/---/.-./..././--/.-././--./../---/-. ..--..
> At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-)))

Please, don't tell me you're using The One True WindowManager and are
not using The One True Editor :)
http://xkcd.com/378/

(sorry for this geekiness)

-- 
Sylvain Abélard
"J'ai décidé d'être heureux, c'est meilleur pour la santé." -Voltaire

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Christian Walther]

On 07/02/2008, Tuomo Valkonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 2008-02-07, Christian Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-)))
>
> I guess you haven't seen the Rube Goldberg-esque IRC sessions...

No, I haven't. It seems I've quite missed a bit. :-)

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Tuomo Valkonen]

On 2008-02-07, Christian Walther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-)))

I guess you haven't seen the Rube Goldberg-esque IRC sessions...

-- 
Tuomo

Re: ion-3-20080207

[Christian Walther]

On 07/02/2008, Sylvain Abélard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>> .
> > >> ..
> > > ...
> > ... --- ...
>
> --/--/-..- --/---/.-./..././--/.-././--./../---/-. ..--..
>

At least you people seem to know what you are talking about. ;-)))

Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Roy Lanek]

> 2002-02-07 - Last release of Ion1 (it never had ds/rc/stable) 
> 2004-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion2
> 2008-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion3
> 2016-02-07 - ?  

Well-well, Euler aside it's entertaining to see that this stable release of
Ion occurs simultaneously with the begin of the year of the ... rat [mouse] :)

See the Lunar Chinese Calendar.

Cheers,

/Roy
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Re: 2.7 (=~e)

[Ivan Vilata i Balaguer]

Tuomo Valkonen (el 2008-02-07 a les 06:40:07 +) va dir::

> 2002-02-07 - Last release of Ion1 (it never had ds/rc/stable) 
> 2004-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion2
> 2008-02-07 - First "stable" release of Ion3
> 2016-02-07 - ?  

What can I say... congratulations! :)

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