[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
I was never comparing statistics for comparison's sake, Helicopters especially, and General Aviation has an undeserved reputation of being unsafe, which is false, so I was trying to explain that it is indeed safe. On Jan 15, 2:42 am, Vince O'Sullivan vjosulli...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 14, 2:27 pm, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: You can certainly eliminate certain pilot errors from statistics depending on your mission. Indeed. I was merely pointing out that in your mission to demonstrate that helicopters were safer than cars, you were comparing helicopter accidents that excluded pilot error with motor accidents that included driver error. It is that comparison that was meaningless, not the fact that helicopter may or may not be safe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
On Jan 13, 3:14 pm, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. And I image that if you discount mechanical failure then helicopter flying is safer still. It's disingenious to eliminate accidents that don't count (in your opinion) from one side of the equation without doing the same on the other side. Unless you discount car driver errors as well then the above statement is meaningless. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
Statistically, fixed wing is safer than rotating wing. That said, flying is the second safest way you can travel (walking included) The safest is hovercraft :) 2010/1/14 Dominic Mitchell d...@happygiraffe.net 2010/1/13 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. Most things are safer than driving. :) -Dom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
Lies,dam lies and statistics Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 09:29:18 To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter Statistically, fixed wing is safer than rotating wing. That said, flying is the second safest way you can travel (walking included) The safest is hovercraft :) 2010/1/14 Dominic Mitchell d...@happygiraffe.net 2010/1/13 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. Most things are safer than driving. :) -Dom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
This is silly. Majority of flying is done by a self-selected group of people (almost no one has to fly to work), unlike driving, which in places like the US is done by the general public out of necessity. However, the statistics that state that flying is safer than driving take into account the general public as passengers on airplanes flown by professional pilots working for a strictly regulated industry. Of course that's safer! Maybe we should instead compare relative safety of taking a bus to boarding a commercial flight. But that wouldn't tell us anything about how the general public does in terms of acquiring skills for driving vs flying... Alexey From: Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Sent: Thu, January 14, 2010 4:29:18 AM Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter Statistically, fixed wing is safer than rotating wing. That said, flying is the second safest way you can travel (walking included) The safest is hovercraft :) 2010/1/14 Dominic Mitchell d...@happygiraffe.net 2010/1/13 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. Most things are safer than driving. :) -Dom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
On Jan 5, 9:56 am, Jack jackg...@gmail.com wrote: Is it anything like this one by any chance? (Possibly NSFW)http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/rc/b527/ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbnySBqioB0 FC -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
On Jan 14, 2:27 pm, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: You can certainly eliminate certain pilot errors from statistics depending on your mission. Indeed. I was merely pointing out that in your mission to demonstrate that helicopters were safer than cars, you were comparing helicopter accidents that excluded pilot error with motor accidents that included driver error. It is that comparison that was meaningless, not the fact that helicopter may or may not be safe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
I fly in the most expensive place near Manhattan, it's $275/hr + instructor, for flight time only, not for 'total time' so it actually is more affordable than people think. I fly around 1hr every 3 weeks on average, not too expensive if you ask me. And, an airplane is about $125/hr on average, so that's even cheaper. Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. On Jan 12, 4:12 pm, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: Would totally fly a heli if I could, last time though I had to pay $300 just to be a passenger. So I practice on smaller models and hope to someday build a FPV one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUupKOC1bTo ...which is 100% risk free flying. lol /Casper On Jan 12, 10:03 pm, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: And the risk to life and limb? --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:44 PM Besides the cost? 2010/1/12 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
If you look at the statistics breakdown: http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/nall.html you will see that the majority of pilot errors are things like fuel exhaustion, _continuing_ flight into adverse weather conditions (as opposed to turning around land), low level maneuvering 'buzzing'. When driving, every mistake, a momentary lapse in concentration can result in an accident, thus 100% of total driving time is 'critical' time. When flying, the critical time is about 5% of flight time, during takeoffs and landings. This is when lack of skill can result in a chain of events leading to an accident, and most of these are non-fatal. The majority of fatal accidents are the result of improper decision making, often started before the flight even began, and isn't due to lack of flying skills. On Jan 13, 10:41 am, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: Living in Colorado I would love to learn how to fly, but still think it is too dangerous, especially in the mountains.. You almost had me with flying is safer than driving, but then I realized most auto accidents are also caused by user error... sigh... --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: From: Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: The Java Posse javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:14 AM I fly in the most expensive place near Manhattan, it's $275/hr + instructor, for flight time only, not for 'total time' so it actually is more affordable than people think. I fly around 1hr every 3 weeks on average, not too expensive if you ask me. And, an airplane is about $125/hr on average, so that's even cheaper. Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. On Jan 12, 4:12 pm, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: Would totally fly a heli if I could, last time though I had to pay $300 just to be a passenger. So I practice on smaller models and hope to someday build a FPV one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUupKOC1bTo ...which is 100% risk free flying. lol /Casper On Jan 12, 10:03 pm, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: And the risk to life and limb? --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:44 PM Besides the cost? 2010/1/12 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
However helicopters do have disadvantages over fixed wings models, in that it's harder to redirect horizontal force vertically so if you fall, you likely fall like a rock and crush your pelvis upon impact. Even when commanding auto rotation, that only works between certain height right? Can you still auto rotate if the tail rotor malfunctions and you have to fight the torque of the main prop? /Casper On Jan 13, 5:12 pm, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: If you look at the statistics breakdown:http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/nall.html you will see that the majority of pilot errors are things like fuel exhaustion, _continuing_ flight into adverse weather conditions (as opposed to turning around land), low level maneuvering 'buzzing'. When driving, every mistake, a momentary lapse in concentration can result in an accident, thus 100% of total driving time is 'critical' time. When flying, the critical time is about 5% of flight time, during takeoffs and landings. This is when lack of skill can result in a chain of events leading to an accident, and most of these are non-fatal. The majority of fatal accidents are the result of improper decision making, often started before the flight even began, and isn't due to lack of flying skills. On Jan 13, 10:41 am, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: Living in Colorado I would love to learn how to fly, but still think it is too dangerous, especially in the mountains.. You almost had me with flying is safer than driving, but then I realized most auto accidents are also caused by user error... sigh... --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: From: Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: The Java Posse javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:14 AM I fly in the most expensive place near Manhattan, it's $275/hr + instructor, for flight time only, not for 'total time' so it actually is more affordable than people think. I fly around 1hr every 3 weeks on average, not too expensive if you ask me. And, an airplane is about $125/hr on average, so that's even cheaper. Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. On Jan 12, 4:12 pm, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: Would totally fly a heli if I could, last time though I had to pay $300 just to be a passenger. So I practice on smaller models and hope to someday build a FPV one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUupKOC1bTo ...which is 100% risk free flying. lol /Casper On Jan 12, 10:03 pm, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: And the risk to life and limb? --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:44 PM Besides the cost? 2010/1/12 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
Helicopter has no inherent disadvantages in terms of lift from a fixed wing. However, it's more susceptible to pilot error in critical phases of flight, in case of a power loss. For example, during takeoff, if the collective isn't lowered in case of a power loss in less than 2 seconds, an unrecoverable blade stall is likely to occur. This regime is only there for about 20 seconds on takeoff, though, and the likelihood of this occurring is very low. You can indeed auto-rotate in every normal flight regime, including tail rotor failure. This is why when taking off in a single-engine helicopter, you first accelerate along the surface and then gain altitude, so, in case of an engine failure, you can trade that airspeed for vertical lift. In case of a tail rotor failure, you would auto rotate, since if there is no torque there is no adverse yaw of the helicopter. On Jan 13, 11:21 am, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: However helicopters do have disadvantages over fixed wings models, in that it's harder to redirect horizontal force vertically so if you fall, you likely fall like a rock and crush your pelvis upon impact. Even when commanding auto rotation, that only works between certain height right? Can you still auto rotate if the tail rotor malfunctions and you have to fight the torque of the main prop? /Casper On Jan 13, 5:12 pm, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: If you look at the statistics breakdown:http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/nall.html you will see that the majority of pilot errors are things like fuel exhaustion, _continuing_ flight into adverse weather conditions (as opposed to turning around land), low level maneuvering 'buzzing'. When driving, every mistake, a momentary lapse in concentration can result in an accident, thus 100% of total driving time is 'critical' time. When flying, the critical time is about 5% of flight time, during takeoffs and landings. This is when lack of skill can result in a chain of events leading to an accident, and most of these are non-fatal. The majority of fatal accidents are the result of improper decision making, often started before the flight even began, and isn't due to lack of flying skills. On Jan 13, 10:41 am, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: Living in Colorado I would love to learn how to fly, but still think it is too dangerous, especially in the mountains.. You almost had me with flying is safer than driving, but then I realized most auto accidents are also caused by user error... sigh... --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: From: Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: The Java Posse javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:14 AM I fly in the most expensive place near Manhattan, it's $275/hr + instructor, for flight time only, not for 'total time' so it actually is more affordable than people think. I fly around 1hr every 3 weeks on average, not too expensive if you ask me. And, an airplane is about $125/hr on average, so that's even cheaper. Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. On Jan 12, 4:12 pm, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: Would totally fly a heli if I could, last time though I had to pay $300 just to be a passenger. So I practice on smaller models and hope to someday build a FPV one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUupKOC1bTo ...which is 100% risk free flying. lol /Casper On Jan 12, 10:03 pm, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: And the risk to life and limb? --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:44 PM Besides the cost? 2010/1/12 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
Wow interesting, that's not what the pilot did last time I was in a R44... I'll demand another flight. ;) On Jan 13, 8:54 pm, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: Helicopter has no inherent disadvantages in terms of lift from a fixed wing. However, it's more susceptible to pilot error in critical phases of flight, in case of a power loss. For example, during takeoff, if the collective isn't lowered in case of a power loss in less than 2 seconds, an unrecoverable blade stall is likely to occur. This regime is only there for about 20 seconds on takeoff, though, and the likelihood of this occurring is very low. You can indeed auto-rotate in every normal flight regime, including tail rotor failure. This is why when taking off in a single-engine helicopter, you first accelerate along the surface and then gain altitude, so, in case of an engine failure, you can trade that airspeed for vertical lift. In case of a tail rotor failure, you would auto rotate, since if there is no torque there is no adverse yaw of the helicopter. On Jan 13, 11:21 am, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: However helicopters do have disadvantages over fixed wings models, in that it's harder to redirect horizontal force vertically so if you fall, you likely fall like a rock and crush your pelvis upon impact. Even when commanding auto rotation, that only works between certain height right? Can you still auto rotate if the tail rotor malfunctions and you have to fight the torque of the main prop? /Casper On Jan 13, 5:12 pm, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: If you look at the statistics breakdown:http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/nall.html you will see that the majority of pilot errors are things like fuel exhaustion, _continuing_ flight into adverse weather conditions (as opposed to turning around land), low level maneuvering 'buzzing'. When driving, every mistake, a momentary lapse in concentration can result in an accident, thus 100% of total driving time is 'critical' time. When flying, the critical time is about 5% of flight time, during takeoffs and landings. This is when lack of skill can result in a chain of events leading to an accident, and most of these are non-fatal. The majority of fatal accidents are the result of improper decision making, often started before the flight even began, and isn't due to lack of flying skills. On Jan 13, 10:41 am, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: Living in Colorado I would love to learn how to fly, but still think it is too dangerous, especially in the mountains.. You almost had me with flying is safer than driving, but then I realized most auto accidents are also caused by user error... sigh... --- On Wed, 1/13/10, Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us wrote: From: Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Subject: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: The Java Posse javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2010, 8:14 AM I fly in the most expensive place near Manhattan, it's $275/hr + instructor, for flight time only, not for 'total time' so it actually is more affordable than people think. I fly around 1hr every 3 weeks on average, not too expensive if you ask me. And, an airplane is about $125/hr on average, so that's even cheaper. Most heli, like airplane accidents are pilot error, so discounting that it's safer to fly than to drive. On Jan 12, 4:12 pm, Casper Bang casper.b...@gmail.com wrote: Would totally fly a heli if I could, last time though I had to pay $300 just to be a passenger. So I practice on smaller models and hope to someday build a FPV one:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUupKOC1bTo ...which is 100% risk free flying. lol /Casper On Jan 12, 10:03 pm, Scott Melton scott_rides_ag...@yahoo.com wrote: And the risk to life and limb? --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:44 PM Besides the cost? 2010/1/12 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
Besides the cost? 2010/1/12 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comjavaposse%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
and, you know, possibly kill yourself On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wrote: Besides the cost? 2010/1/12 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- http://mapsdev.blogspot.com/ Marcelo Takeshi Fukushima -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
And the risk to life and limb? --- On Tue, 1/12/10, Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wrote: From: Kevin Wright kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter To: javaposse@googlegroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2010, 1:44 PM Besides the cost? 2010/1/12 Lenny P lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us Why not fly a real helicopter? It's a lot of fun and a rewarding accomplishment. On Jan 6, 3:53 am, Phil p...@haigh-family.com wrote: I have something similar to what Tor described, erm sorry, I bought one for my son last Christmas!! After playing with his indoor toy for some time I ended up getting a T-Rex 450 of my own (I already fly R/C fixed wing). Good fun! Go Tor... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- Kevin Wright mail/google talk: kev.lee.wri...@googlemail.com wave: kev.lee.wri...@googlewave.com skype: kev.lee.wright twitter: @thecoda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
[The Java Posse] Re: Joe's R/C Copter
Piggy bagging here... and what large heli does he have hidden away? Are we talking T-Rex 500 or the like? http://www.vimeo.com/927404 /Casper On Jan 5, 1:56 pm, Jack jackg...@gmail.com wrote: Is it anything like this one by any chance? (Possibly NSFW)http://www.thinkgeek.com/geektoys/rc/b527/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups The Java Posse group. To post to this group, send email to javapo...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to javaposse+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
