Re: [JAWS-Users] JFW17, HTML tables, & screen layout
Nothing is on the screen. The announced word "cell" probably assigned programatically (inner and not trough JAWS Script) to HTML-element. You can modify the announced text if you modify the markup assigned to this control. To do so, you have to modify the used speech and sounds scheme (or make a brand new one and use this one as default scheme for webbrowser applications). In the speech and sounds manager you have to look the "Controls" tab and there in the listview the entry for "table cell" or something similar. There you have to choose the option 1 (Announce the control or something similar) and writing into the textbox labeled "Text" (or something similar what you want to here if you are entered a cell. Sorry for the many "or something similar" prases, but I use a localized version of JAWS and not the English one, so I'm not sure if the names translating back from Hungarian to English could be correct. Csaba 2015.11.07. 23:55 keltezéssel, Reed Poynter írta: "|" is a single character. What is "cell". What is actually on the screen? If it is a single character that JAWS speaks as "cell", could you put that single character in the dictionary with "|" as its replacement? Reed -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Boston, Jason W Sent: November-06-15 1:34 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] JFW17, HTML tables, & screen layout Hello all, For any who read tables in html documents, you have noticed the change from "|" to "cell" being the separator between columns. I contacted FS and they did this on purpose because some don't like the |. A | has been used for this purpose since the feature of simple layout VS screen layout was introduced in Jaws years ago. I've been using it for just as long and my ear is tuned to | as a separator instead of "cell". I was told to submit a suggestion to make this a feature change. I have done so by asking if they can give the user the option of picking the character used to separate the columns when in screen layout. If anyone else agrees with me, please email FS at suggesti...@freedomscientific.com In the meantime, does anyone know how to maybe alter the scripts to do this without waiting on FS? Thanks, Jason The information contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copies; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any message addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by persons other than the intended recipient. Thank you. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] JAWS incompatibilit with Word and Excel
Hi everybody! I need urgent help! Something happened with my PC running Vista as OS and I can't use JAWS and MS Office together. When JAWS runs (ie. JFW.exe is in the memory as a process) I can't start Word and Excel of any MS Office versions. (I tried it with Office 2003, 2007 and 2010 - namely all versions I have.) But other MS Office products, like FrontPage, PowerPoint, Access runs in this case. Word and Excel signs immediately at start an system error and Windows tells me that the net will be searched for problem solvings but finds nothing and asks me to close the program. When I stop JAWS, (ie. removes JFW process from the memory) and use an other screen reader app both program runs normally. What is the problem with JAWS? All installed JAWS versions cause this problem. (I have installed version 9, 11 and 14.) I tried to reinstall JAWS completly but without any success. I removed all components and also the registry was cleaned, too before the new installation.) I would need use JAWS with this apps, because I write special JAWS scripts for them. Could help me anybody? Thanks in advance. Csaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Script for ABBYY Fine Reader
Hi folks, I'm looking for script for ABBYY Fine Reader version 10 or 11. Do someone know about it? Thanks in advance, Csaba -- For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] FS and alternative say all in jaws v15
Hi, the quality of synthetizers produced by Cereproc in Scottland, or by Iwona in Poland are much-much better than the quality of Nuance's Vocalizer or Vocalizer Expressive. Both of them are full of errors. The difference between these two synth famiies is only in the driver which makes possible a little bit higher responsivity. But the speech database of these two synth family is the same. We are currently working on the Hungarian voices to make them usable, because the speech database of these voices were so full of errors, that sometimes the produced speech was ununderstandable. For example: if in the text was a copyright sign the synth read it as training shoe. Simmilar errors can you found in the English voices, too. Vocalizer and its Expressive version is much slower than the above mentioned synthetizers. I use both and I can tell you, that they are currently the top synthetizers on the market. They are SAPI 5 synths, so JAWS can use them immediatley after instaling. If you want a speedy and very-very human sounding voice in your JAWS, you should use them. Cheers, Csaba Tshaba 2013.11.25. 18:12 keltezéssel, leonard morris írta: Recently I contacted FS because I could not find the alternative say all function in v15. FS told me it had been removed. Initially, I was disappointed but I have subsequently changed my negative viewpoint. I have sinced discovered the high quality and responsiveness of the vocalizer expressed voices works splendidly for my say all purposes. In fact, in addition I also made Alice the PC voice and Tom my Jaws cursor voice. Sounds cool to me to switch back and forth from Alice PC cursor to Tom Jaws cursor. So, in short FS got this one right! For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Cereproc and Ivona voice samples
Hi, there are the sample pages of both producers. Here you can listen to the voices: Cereproc: (The mentioned live demobar is not accessible by JAWS at all, but Cereproc has voice demos to download on its SAPI5 page.) http://www.cereproc.com/sapivoices Iwona: (also Ivona has sample voice files to download and listen.) http://www.ivona.com/us/ http://www.ivona.com/us/voices/ Cheers, Csaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] How to create Power Point presentation blind?
Hi everybody, Could somebody help me how it is possible to create a power point presentation blind? Sometime I have read something that Word needs to be used to create the text of the dias in HTML and then import them into PPT. Is it true? Does everybody already create presentation in PPT blind? Any help is apreciated. Csaba from Hungary For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] ► Offer to fix bugs in Hungarian voices of Vocalizer
Hi Eric, I'm Csaba Godo from Hungary. We know each other from the JAWS mailing list of David Ferrin. We have changed some mails during the past times. Now let me to introduce myself to you a little bit better. I'm a very low vision programmer who uses JAWS as primary screen reader and who is involved in artifical speech synthesis. Since Freedom licenced Nuance's Vocalizer synthetizer family disturbed me that Eszter, the Hungarian voice, has so many mistakes and errors that makes really difficult to use it with JAWS for longer time. When Vocalizer was available for NVDA Our small team, consisting of blind college students and programmers, has contacted Tiflotehnia, the distributor of NVDA version of Vocalizer and Vocalizer Expressive, to work together to correct these mistakes. We have managed to correct them with Vocalizer Studio, so the updated version of both synthetizers for NVDA is already available. Now we would like to offer you the same cooperation that we offered for Tiflotehnia to fix and update the JAWS versions of both synthetizers. We offer our cooperation to Freedom for free. The only thing we request you to have this cooperation directly, rather than go through your local reseller. For Freedom, with this cooperation would it be possible to update and enchance both Eszter (Vocalizer) and Mariska (Vocalizer Expressive) voices without any cost and time. We know that your local reseller has indicated these errors many times to you as errors which makes difficult to use these voices with JAWS. With our cooperation Freedom could increase the level of satisfaction among the Hungarian JAWS users. I know that Hungary is a very small market for you, but I think the satisfaction of every JAWS users is important for Freedom. Or I'm wrong? Now some words about the work we have done with Vocalizer Studio: We have rebuilt the whole dictionary and corrected many pronunciation errors and even extended the pronunciation and grammar rules. Currently we are working on extending phoneme database, namely to extend the phoneme-character bindings to make able these synthetisers to read characters which does not exist in Hungarian alphabet, but are common in our Hungarian cultural environment. I mean for example the special characters of the spoken languages of the surrounding countries. (Comment: I know that it is possible to edit the symbol (SBL) files of each synthetizers in JAWS, but in this way it is not possible to force JAWS to read correctly words contains characters, which have an entry in an SBL file. If I make an entry for a special letter, ie. for ß (which character does not exists in Hungarian alphabet, but exists in Hungarian family names of German origin), then JAWS detects it as stand alone letter. So the name Weiß is read by JAWS as if it would be written as Wei ß. The program during the text processing enters an extra space before the given character. It is very disturbing and sometimes makes impossible to understand the text.) As member of the management team of Freedom Scientific I would like to ask you to help us to connect to your team responsible for synthetizers to work together to make available the updated and corected versions of both synthetizer voices for JAWS users. Best regards, Csaba Godó Cellular: (+36 30) 921-9317 E-mail: arpadh...@hotmail.com Skype: godocsaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws scripts
Hi Tom, JAWS Script is a special microprogram written in the JAWS own programming language called JAWS scripting Language. These microprograms, known as macros, too, make able JAWS to communicate with other programs. They are the gateway between JAWS and the speech synthetizer. They control what, how and when should say the synthetizer. Csaba Tshaba 2013.07.04. 0:47 keltezéssel, Tom írta: what are jaws scripts? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Problem with Outlook Express 6
Hi all, My friend have a problem with Outlook Express 6. He uses Windows XP. The problem is the following: IN OE it is impossible to get the menubar and the menuitems by pressing ALT key + the calling letters. So If he presses ALT+F the program does not get the focus to the File menu end does not open it. This problem exists only in OE and this symptom is not JAWS specific. It happens with NVDA, too. What could be the reason? Can anybody help to solve it? Thanks in advance, Csaba from Hungary For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Does anyone know whether the latest productsfrom Norton work well with any versions of jaws?
Hi David, I had bad experiences with Norton products working together with JAWS. Some of them only partially, but most of them are inaccessible. Csaba Tshaba 2013.07.01. 5:47 keltezéssel, David Ingram írta: Hi list members, does anyone happen to know whether the latest versions of Norton products work well with jaws 11 or do I have to use a different version of jaws to get any accessibility? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Is there an update for windows defender?
Hi Sherri, I propose you to use both. I use it, too. As far as I remember both program is designed working togheter. Defender is a firewall-like application. It extends MS Security Essentials, which is an anti-vírus program. HTH Csaba Tshaba 2013.06.26. 22:48 keltezéssel, Sherri írta: Do I need to download Windows Defender if I am using Microsoft Security Essentials? Running Windows XP and Jaws 12. - Original Message - From: Csaba Godo arpadhazi68.jaw...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Is there an update for windows defender? Hi David, Windows Defender updates itself trough Windows Update service. I use it, too, and trought the automatic Windows Update service updates itself regurarly. Csaba Tshaba 2013.06.25. 9:26 keltezéssel, David Ingram írta: Hi list members, I have windows defender and I'm using it with windows xp service pack3. My question is are there any updates to windows defender and if so, do I now have to be an administrator in order to install the new updates? Thank you for any information that you might have. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Is there an update for windows defender?
Hi David, Windows Defender updates itself trough Windows Update service. I use it, too, and trought the automatic Windows Update service updates itself regurarly. Csaba Tshaba 2013.06.25. 9:26 keltezéssel, David Ingram írta: Hi list members, I have windows defender and I'm using it with windows xp service pack3. My question is are there any updates to windows defender and if so, do I now have to be an administrator in order to install the new updates? Thank you for any information that you might have. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] setup software
Hi Cuong, If I understood your wishes correctly, than you would like an opening screen to your CD. What is about creating a simple HTML page with all of the needed links to the installabel softwares on the disk? Then you simply copy this HTML page to your CD and set it as the starting point in the autorun.ini. In this case your users' windows will start the default browser and it will open your start screen. I often use this technique if I have to distribute informations in various types. It is good to collect all things together in a simple list with descriptions. It is easy to maintain and easy to understand for the users, too. As simple as best. Using jscript or vbscript you can turn this simple page into a sophisticated installation program without any limitation. HTH Csaba from Hungary For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] setup software
ok, I see. Then you should go to the Control Panel and there to enanble this feature. In Vista and Win7 you should looking for the default system actions. Tshaba 2013.06.12. 14:25 keltezéssel, Dang Manh Cuong írta: Hi Csaba I understand your method, but I don't ask that. May be, you misunderstand do to my English. hihi. I'll explain it again I used to have a cd with an execute file with the folowing feature autorun when I insert to my CD rom (I know how to do) Display a menu which contain the list of software to install, and each item has a wave file. So you will work with that like working whith a screen reader. I browsed my hard drive after sending the email, and found a software to do that, but it has been renamed to setup.exe So i don't know it original name. If you're interested this, contac me offline. Your method very good, but I'm lazy of doing it. Thanks for answering me. - Original Message - From: Csaba Godo arpadhazi68.jaw...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] setup software Hi Cuong, If I understood your wishes correctly, than you would like an opening screen to your CD. What is about creating a simple HTML page with all of the needed links to the installabel softwares on the disk? Then you simply copy this HTML page to your CD and set it as the starting point in the autorun.ini. In this case your users' windows will start the default browser and it will open your start screen. I often use this technique if I have to distribute informations in various types. It is good to collect all things together in a simple list with descriptions. It is easy to maintain and easy to understand for the users, too. As simple as best. Using jscript or vbscript you can turn this simple page into a sophisticated installation program without any limitation. HTH Csaba from Hungary For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ Dang Manh Cuong HCMC University of Pedagogy: The Educational Psychology Mobile: +84 902-572-300 E-mail: dangmanhcu...@gmail.com Yahoo! ID: manhcuong0312 Skype name: dangmanhcuong facebook: For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Auto Sizer
Hi David,
The second method, the sendig keystrokes method works with all windows
which have system menu, which can be opened by pressing ALT+SPACE keys.
This script simply opens this menu and then presses the Maximize menu
item. So it is application independent. It handles all app windows
having this system menu.
Have a nice saturday!
Tshaba from Hungary
Tshaba
2013.06.08. 12:58 keltezéssel, David Ferrin írta:
Since you mentioned the first script line go in the auto start event
function for maximizing a message window it seemed reasonable to figure you
are referring to an email client. Since at this time the only client I have
at my disposal is outlook 2007 I checked and mine at least does not have an
auto start event. Obviously I can create such an animal but before I do
please clarify the program you meant.
Actually my inbox and messages always come up maximized so there is no
problem here with that kind of stuff at all so far anyway.
If memory serves Donnie's original question was directed at IE specifically
at a certain web page which I have not had a chance to look at as of yet.
Unfortunately I do not have the original message that started this thread so
Donnie if you would be so kind as to send the address again.
I am going to test your code out, of that you can rest assured as it looks
interesting to me at least. It reminds me of my mainframe days on the old
IBM 3090 but that is another story.
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from
a simpler system that worked perfectly.
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of David Ferrin
Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2013 6:36 AM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Auto Sizer
I will have to test this code out and see if it works for me or not. It does
seem a bit complicated but manageable.
I do always appreciate any contributions to my collection of scripts either
to the web site or for my personal stockpile so to speak.
Donnie you might need further help so something will get worked out if that
is the case.
David Ferrin
A complex system that does not work is invariably found to have evolved from
a simpler system that worked perfectly.
-Original Message-
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On
Behalf Of Csaba Godo
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2013 11:12 PM
To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Auto Sizer
Hi David Don,
I think I could suggest you two other methods to maximize a window.
1. Use SendMessage function. Insert this line in the AutoStart event:
SendMessage(GetAppMainWindow(GetFocus()), 274, 61488, 0). It will maximize
the active window.
2. Use some workaround. It is a simpler method. It needs some refining,
because I write it down from memory. This script toggles window state
between maximized and normal. But you can extend it so, that it supports
only maximized and minimized state.
This script works in all windows having system menu. The menu you can call
with Alt+Space.
Script ToggleRestoreWindow ()
;This script make notepad maximize or restore Var String sName, String
sShortname ;Get the name of currently open file SpeechOff () TypeKey
{Alt+space} If GetControlAttributes (false)==4 then ;the Restore option is
unavailable TypeKey {x} ;send letter x to current application Let
sName=FormatString (Maximize_l, GetAppTitle ()) Let sShortname=FormatString
(Maximize_s, GetAppTitle ()) Else ;windows is currently maximize EnterKey ()
Let sName=FormatString (restore_l, GetAppTitle ()) Let
sShortname=FormatString (restore_s, GetAppTitle ()) EndIf Pause () SpeechOn
() SayFormattedMessage (ot_message, sName, sShortName) EndScript HTH
Csaba
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Auto Sizer
Hi David Don,
I think I could suggest you two other methods to maximize a window.
1. Use SendMessage function. Insert this line in the AutoStart event:
SendMessage(GetAppMainWindow(GetFocus()), 274, 61488, 0). It will
maximize the active window.
2. Use some workaround. It is a simpler method. It needs some refining,
because I write it down from memory. This script toggles window state
between maximized and normal. But you can extend it so, that it supports
only maximized and minimized state.
This script works in all windows having system menu. The menu you can
call with Alt+Space.
Script ToggleRestoreWindow ()
;This script make notepad maximize or restore
Var
String sName, String sShortname ;Get the name of currently open file
SpeechOff ()
TypeKey {Alt+space}
If GetControlAttributes (false)==4 then ;the Restore option is unavailable
TypeKey {x} ;send letter x to current application
Let sName=FormatString (Maximize_l, GetAppTitle ())
Let sShortname=FormatString (Maximize_s, GetAppTitle ())
Else ;windows is currently maximize
EnterKey ()
Let sName=FormatString (restore_l, GetAppTitle ())
Let sShortname=FormatString (restore_s, GetAppTitle ())
EndIf
Pause ()
SpeechOn ()
SayFormattedMessage (ot_message, sName, sShortName)
EndScript
HTH
Csaba
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Re: [JAWS-Users] Website Creation
Did you try Google WebPages? http://sites.google.com I found it is accessible. I have here many webs. I edit the source code of pages with either Notepad or Microsoft Expression Web. Version 12 of it is fully accessible with JAWS. I use JAWS 11. HTH Csaba Tshaba 2013.06.07. 4:14 keltezéssel, Nicole Valicia Thompson-Andrews írta: Webs.com is only partly accessible. Mellissa Green @GreenNovelist For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] when to use the jaws cursor
When to use JAWS cursor? The answer is simple! When you try navigate with PC cursor and you hear nothing just blank or simply you hear nothing. Then switch to JAWS cursor and explore the screen with it. You can use it if you meet an application which is not accessible. For example if it is a QTE application. HTH Csaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] windows temp folder
HI Leo, Deleting temp folder won't speed up you PC! Files with TMP extensions are files used by several progams as temporary data holder files. For example: if you began to write a doc in Word then the program creates a TMP file in temp folder and saves your setting, changes, etc. into this file. This file will be the base if you save your editings. The best way to safely clear your temp folder is if you use Control Panel. You should look up for disk clean up tools and there you will find it. Cs. Tshaba 2013.06.02. 4:00 keltezéssel, leonard morris írta: Is it safe to delete all the files in the windows 7 windows temp folder? Some of these folders have zero files and zero bytes. Also there are many files with the .tmp extension. The windows tmp folder is about 115 MB. I'm thinking if I deleted all that stuff in there my PC just might run faster and less sluggish. What do you think? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Why are some symbols silent in RTF files?
Hi Flor, Could you tell me where can I find the ANSI character codes? Ath the moment your idea from yesterday seems to be the best solution for me to let speak some currently in RTF editors silent characters. Later I have to modify the the JAWS scripts which are running when I force JAWS to read. It seems that the cahracter-muteness problem exists in all RTF-based text editor controls in Windows. Thanks in advance for your help! Tshaba 2013.05.29. 13:02 keltezéssel, Flor Lynch írta: if you mean the speaking of a symbol that doesn't speak, you input it (I would type its ANSI value) by adding it into the desired JAWS Dictionary File, and then tab to the Replace With and type in your desired word, and OK by saving your change. - Original Message - From: Csaba Godo arpadhazi68.jaw...@gmail.com To: JAWS Users List jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:10 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why are some symbols silent in RTF files? Hi all, I have noticed something interesting in the near past working on my new Hungarian SBL file. Some symbols recorded in this file are silent when I enter them in an RTF-based text editor as Word or WordPad. For example the signs of £ (english pound) and ¥ (japan yen). Why? What can I do to make them loud? I use JAWS 11 on Windows Vista. I tried the both versions of entries like levelable (symbol N method) and the ever-reading one (U+= method). Regards, Csaba -- Tshaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Why are some symbols silent in RTF files?
Many thanks, Flor! It is a great help for me. Tshaba 2013.05.30. 12:54 keltezéssel, Flor Lynch írta: Hi Csaba, In older versions of Microsoft Word, one got these characters in lists on pages in the Insert: Special Symbols, dialogue. It can also be accessed via insert, Styles. ANSI is a 'native' code used in windows, before the widespread adoption of Unicode. JAWS may also read ANSI characters, via the verbosity dialogues. (It can be made to echo at various levels or be silent.) Besides ANSI, there is the older ASCII. ANSI is got by use of the righthand number pad, with the numlock on; and then the (left) alt key pressed with a leading 0 + (usually)three digits from the said keypad. There is a WikiHow, at: http://www.wikihow.com/Type-Symbols-Using-the-ALT-Key and another site: http://www.theworldofstuff.com/characters/ gives such characters. --- original message- From: Csaba Godo arpadhazi68.jaw...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Why are some symbols silent in RTF files? Hi Flor, Could you tell me where can I find the ANSI character codes? Ath the moment your idea from yesterday seems to be the best solution for me to let speak some currently in RTF editors silent characters. Later I have to modify the the JAWS scripts which are running when I force JAWS to read. It seems that the cahracter-muteness problem exists in all RTF-based text editor controls in Windows. Thanks in advance for your help! Tshaba 2013.05.29. 13:02 keltezéssel, Flor Lynch írta: if you mean the speaking of a symbol that doesn't speak, you input it (I would type its ANSI value) by adding it into the desired JAWS Dictionary File, and then tab to the Replace With and type in your desired word, and OK by saving your change. - Original Message - From: Csaba Godo arpadhazi68.jaw...@gmail.com To: JAWS Users List jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:10 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why are some symbols silent in RTF files? Hi all, I have noticed something interesting in the near past working on my new Hungarian SBL file. Some symbols recorded in this file are silent when I enter them in an RTF-based text editor as Word or WordPad. For example the signs of £ (english pound) and ¥ (japan yen). Why? What can I do to make them loud? I use JAWS 11 on Windows Vista. I tried the both versions of entries like levelable (symbol N method) and the ever-reading one (U+= method). Regards, Csaba -- Tshaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Why are some symbols silent in RTF files?
Thanks for the idea, Flor, but your type of solution is not the perfect one for me. I entered these symbols in the SBL file used by JAWS if the Hungarian speech synthetizer is working. So JAWS should know it. It knows them well, when the file containing these characters is opened in Notepad, but they are silent when the same file is opened in WordPad or Word. I don't want to add them to a dictionary file, too. I have registered them in the appropriate SBL file by their unicode codepoint so JAWS have to know them. Or am I wrong? 2013.05.29. 13:02 keltezéssel, Flor Lynch írta: if you mean the speaking of a symbol that doesn't speak, you input it (I would type its ANSI value) by adding it into the desired JAWS Dictionary File, and then tab to the Replace With and type in your desired word, and OK by saving your change. - Original Message - From: Csaba Godo arpadhazi68.jaw...@gmail.com To: JAWS Users List jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2013 6:10 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Why are some symbols silent in RTF files? Hi all, I have noticed something interesting in the near past working on my new Hungarian SBL file. Some symbols recorded in this file are silent when I enter them in an RTF-based text editor as Word or WordPad. For example the signs of £ (english pound) and ¥ (japan yen). Why? What can I do to make them loud? I use JAWS 11 on Windows Vista. I tried the both versions of entries like levelable (symbol N method) and the ever-reading one (U+= method). Regards, Csaba -- Tshaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Question about conducting a search on a Website
Hi Sabine, I tried the given webpage. Under the mentioned combobox are an unlabeled button. I use JAWS 11 and it is announced that when I left combobox with down arrow. It said unlabeled button. So when you leave combobox with down arrow press Enter and you will OK. Tshaba 2013.05.29. 20:08 keltezéssel, Christopher Sabine írta: Hi folks. I have a question about the Website http://www.inc.com/inc5000/list/2012. This is the Inc. 5000 list of fastest growing companies. I can display the full list. However, I can't conduct a search by state. When I select my state by accessing the link for More options and using the Combo box, the content doesn't refresh; I'm still presented with the entire list of companies sorted by rank. It looks as if there is a submit button, but this is unlabeled. I've tried this site with IE 10 and Firefox 18 with the same result. I'm using JAWS 14, Build 3005 under Windows 7 64 bit. I still haven't tried this with another screen reader such as NvDA. Can I consider this site inaccessible? Thanks, Chris. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Why are some symbols silent in RTF files?
Hi all, I have noticed something interesting in the near past working on my new Hungarian SBL file. Some symbols recorded in this file are silent when I enter them in an RTF-based text editor as Word or WordPad. For example the signs of £ (english pound) and ¥ (japan yen). Why? What can I do to make them loud? I use JAWS 11 on Windows Vista. I tried the both versions of entries like levelable (symbol N method) and the ever-reading one (U+= method). Regards, Csaba -- Tshaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Invalid characters in SBL file
Hi girls and guys, Could somebody help me on the subject of SBL file and the unicode codepoints of characters, and their visual representation? I currently extend the Hungarian version of SBL file and examining the factory defaults in eloq.sbl I have recognized that some entries seems not to be valid. These entries are: symbol85=u+f076 starred bullet; (unknown unicode codepoint). symbol87=U+f0a7 filled square bullet; (unknown unicode codepoint). symbol88=U+f0fc checkmark bullet; (unknown unicode codepoint). symbol90=U+f0d8 arrow bullet; (unknown unicode codepoint). symbol92=u+204C leftwards bullet; (known, but no visual representation). symbol93=u+204d rightwards bullet; (known, but has no visual representation). symbol95=u+2619 rotated heart bullet; (known, but has no visual representation). I used to test the characters and their unicode codepoint the Unicode Character Finder webapp. Its link: http://www.mclean.net.nz/ucf Could somebody send me perhaps a document in which the above listed characters are visually presented? And an other question: How to insert the folloving symbol in a text? symbol100=u+001e 0101 non breaking hyphen? Many thanks! Csaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Vista Logon Screen Query
Hi Steve, On the Vista's logon screen are users listed in a listview in big icon view. So if you are on the first user of the mentioned 4, than with the arrrow keys can you navigate between users. You can press T, too, if you are on the first user then the focus will move to the first user whos name begins with letter T. Csaba HHi Dear all, A bit of a long shot but someone may be able to help? I need to install JAWS on a machine but the screen is broken. The logon screen has around four different usernames and the one that I particularly need to select is called Terry2. Does anyone know where the focus actually defaults to on the Vista logon screen and if I can use the letter tt to highlight the Terry username for example or do I need to tab and arrow around? Many thanks in anticipation for any help. P.s. Windows and U won't seem to run up the narrator at that point for some reason but the machine will log on. This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it. Please do not disclose, copy or distribute information in this e-mail or take any action in reliance on its contents: to do so is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. Thank you for your co-operation. NHSmail is the secure email and directory service available for all NHS staff in England and Scotland NHSmail is approved for exchanging patient data and other sensitive information with NHSmail and GSi recipients NHSmail provides an email address for your career in the NHS and can be accessed anywhere For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS Reading in Another Language Other than English
Hi Annette, Check the language of the sent document. You can do it in the Document Properties window as far as I remember. Because Word uses HTML-like format to save the document content it could be the problem, that somewhere is set the language to an other one than English. Csaba Tshaba 2013.05.22. 3:00 keltezéssel, Annette Carr írta: A co-worker sent me a MS-Word 2010 document in which JAWS is acting oddly. The document contains a calendar template that is made up of a table. Some of the numbers in some of the cells, as well as some of the words in the cells are being spoken in a language other than English. Does anyone know why this is happening? What do I need to look for and change in the Word document. Annette For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Reading listview content in Windows Explorer in Vista
Hi folks, Could me explain somebody the following behavior of JAWS 11: When I surfing in Windows Explorer, then JAWS reads all columns are displayed. (for example: name, type, date, etc.). But when I open an compressed folder in Windows Explorer, then only the first column are read. The name column. When I press Ins+Up Arrow then the program reads the whole line, so all columns. Why? How could I apply this behaviour to the normal folder view? When I turn off the reading of some columns then JAWS will not read these coluns by pressing INs+Up Arrow, too. What should I do? Thanks in advance, Csaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Reading listview content in Windows Explorer in Vista
Thanks Steve, but the view in both situation is detailed view! When I open a ZIP file content in Windows Explorer, then I see that the listview displays all columns, so it is in detailed view, but JAWS reads only the first column. The displayed columns are the same displayed in normal situation. So I don't understand this behaiour of JAWS. By the way it is very practical, because I work many times with Windows Explorer and it is annoying if JAWS reads all columns. But if I turn off reanding some columns then JAWS will not reads these coluns calling SayLine function, too! And itt is anoying, too, because sometimes I need to know the modification date or creation date of a file. Tshaba 2013.05.11. 23:26 keltezéssel, Steve írta: Go to view with alt-v and select detailed view. - Original Message - From: Csaba Godo arpadhazi68.jaw...@gmail.com To: JAWS Users List jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:29 AM Subject: [JAWS-Users] Reading listview content in Windows Explorer in Vista Hi folks, Could me explain somebody the following behavior of JAWS 11: When I surfing in Windows Explorer, then JAWS reads all columns are displayed. (for example: name, type, date, etc.). But when I open an compressed folder in Windows Explorer, then only the first column are read. The name column. When I press Ins+Up Arrow then the program reads the whole line, so all columns. Why? How could I apply this behaviour to the normal folder view? When I turn off the reading of some columns then JAWS will not read these coluns by pressing INs+Up Arrow, too. What should I do? Thanks in advance, Csaba For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Using JAWS 12 with Firefox 20.0.1.
Hi Justin, It was not the best decision to change IE to Firefox v20. This versions seems not to bee fully compatible with JAWS. I have tested it with JAWS version 11, 12, 13 and 14 and I have found some problems in working together with JAWS. So if you want use Firefox then you should downgrade to an older Firefox version between 17 and 19. I use version 17 in my Vista machine and version 19 on my Win7 PC. In these versions I have found no compatibility problem. An older Firefox version you can download frrom Mozilla's Archive. You downt need uninstall version 20. You can simply overinstall this with an older version. Regards, Csaba Tshaba 2013.05.02. 15:12 keltezéssel, Justin McDevitt írta: Hello List Members, I have replaced Internet Explorer with the most recent version of Firefox. I am using JAWS 12 with Windows 7. Are there navigation commands that are available to assist in accessing Firefox. For instance, what is the keystroke command in Firefox to enter a URL address? With I.net Explorer, I would use Control-O. Also, I was unable to read lines or text using the typical JAWS commands that work with Internet Explorer. I would appreciate a website or other locations for these commands. Best, Justin For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for JAWS compatible backup software
Hi Mike, thanks a lot. I'll take a look. Csaba Tshaba 2013.05.02. 20:06 keltezéssel, Mike O'Brien írta: Hi You can take a look at Image for Windows. It's not free, but when I bought it, if you are using it for personal use only, one license was good for 3 PCs. It does not do incremental backups. But it does do differential backups and full backups instead. The advantage with differential backups is that if you ever need to restore everything, you only need the latest full backup and the latest differential backup instead of needing the latest full backup and all the incremental backups since then. If you just need to restore some files, using the program TBIView with the latest full and differential backups, you can find the files you need and copy them to where they need to go using copy and paste. This program is a part of the Image for Windows package. There are several choices for compressing the backup files. These programs are JAWS accessible if you are using them in Windows. The only exception is if you have to do a restore of your entire system, which means that Windows is not available. It that case you have to use DOS or Linux to perform the restore. You can find some tutorials for this program on the JAWS-Users site. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Csaba Godo Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 01:22 To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for JAWS compatible backup software Hi Christobal, The problem with the built-in Windows backup feature is that is does not saves EXE files in normal incremental backups. In my case I could not backup incrementally my development folder structure and its content. I had problems with it during backing up my e-mails, too. Some mails are not backed up. The other problem with it, that it does not compress the disk image type backups. It makes only a file-to-file copy as disk image. You can not restore it to an empty disk as a one-click-restore. Currently I use Norton Ghost, but it is not fully JAWS compatible. Regards, Csaba Tshaba 2013.05.02. 6:40 keltezéssel, Cristóbal írta: May I ask, what differences or advantages are there in using this program instead of the built in backup feature offered in Windows? In my case I'm using Win7. I bought a Seagate 3tb nas drive and it looks like it came with Memeo or whatever it's called. I've tried using Memeo in the past and didn't get really far with it. The drive's for the house so my sighted wife will be able to use it on the other machines, but not 30 minutes ago I was looking up this very topic online and on the Jaws Users website with some programs mentioned there too when I came across this thread. I was thinking of just going with the Windows 7 utility, but if there's in fact a better/Jaws friendlier alternative out there, then I'd be interested in knowing it. Thanks, -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Russ Breitenstein Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:39 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for AWS compatible backup software Csaba Active Disk Image will do everything you want. www.disk-image.net/ Take care, Russ -Original Message- From: Csaba Godo Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:14 AM To: JAWS Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Looking for AWS compatible backup software Hi Everybody on this list, Could somebody help me? I'm looking for a fuly JAWS compatible backup software which can do incremental backups on regular basis (daily, weekly, monthly) and can produce compressed disk image files for speedy restoration. I use Vista with JAWS 11. aThanks in advance, Csaba from Hungary For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] Looking for AWS compatible backup software
Hi Everybody on this list, Could somebody help me? I'm looking for a fuly JAWS compatible backup software which can do incremental backups on regular basis (daily, weekly, monthly) and can produce compressed disk image files for speedy restoration. I use Vista with JAWS 11. aThanks in advance, Csaba from Hungary For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Has anyone had problems withjaws and displaying links on a web page?
Hi David, I had the same problem with Firefox 20 under Vista. It seems to be a problem in Firefox. You should downgrade to a version between 17 and 19. You can donwload the older versions from Mozilla's Archives. You don't need uninstall Firefox 20. During the downgrading process (which is a simply installation of the older version) will not harm your current Firefox data (bookmarks, passwords, etc.) They will be available in the older version, too. Csaba from Hungary Tshaba 2013.05.01. 12:22 keltezéssel, David Ingram írta: Hi list members, I'm using Firefox version 20 and I have windows xp service pack 3, the jaws version that I'm using is jaws 11. I'd like to know has anyone had problems with links not showing on web pages when using jaws with Firefox 20? I'd like to know the proper version of Firefox to use with jaws 11. Thank you? For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for AWS compatible backup software
Thanks the link, Russ. It seems really to be the program I as looking for. 2013.05.02. 2:39 keltezéssel, Russ Breitenstein írta: Csaba Active Disk Image will do everything you want. www.disk-image.net/ Take care, Russ -Original Message- From: Csaba Godo Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:14 AM To: JAWS Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Looking for AWS compatible backup software Hi Everybody on this list, Could somebody help me? I'm looking for a fuly JAWS compatible backup software which can do incremental backups on regular basis (daily, weekly, monthly) and can produce compressed disk image files for speedy restoration. I use Vista with JAWS 11. aThanks in advance, Csaba from Hungary For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for JAWS compatible backup software
Hi Christobal, The problem with the built-in Windows backup feature is that is does not saves EXE files in normal incremental backups. In my case I could not backup incrementally my development folder structure and its content. I had problems with it during backing up my e-mails, too. Some mails are not backed up. The other problem with it, that it does not compress the disk image type backups. It makes only a file-to-file copy as disk image. You can not restore it to an empty disk as a one-click-restore. Currently I use Norton Ghost, but it is not fully JAWS compatible. Regards, Csaba Tshaba 2013.05.02. 6:40 keltezéssel, Cristóbal írta: May I ask, what differences or advantages are there in using this program instead of the built in backup feature offered in Windows? In my case I'm using Win7. I bought a Seagate 3tb nas drive and it looks like it came with Memeo or whatever it's called. I've tried using Memeo in the past and didn't get really far with it. The drive's for the house so my sighted wife will be able to use it on the other machines, but not 30 minutes ago I was looking up this very topic online and on the Jaws Users website with some programs mentioned there too when I came across this thread. I was thinking of just going with the Windows 7 utility, but if there's in fact a better/Jaws friendlier alternative out there, then I'd be interested in knowing it. Thanks, -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Russ Breitenstein Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 5:39 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Looking for AWS compatible backup software Csaba Active Disk Image will do everything you want. www.disk-image.net/ Take care, Russ -Original Message- From: Csaba Godo Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:14 AM To: JAWS Users List Subject: [JAWS-Users] Looking for AWS compatible backup software Hi Everybody on this list, Could somebody help me? I'm looking for a fuly JAWS compatible backup software which can do incremental backups on regular basis (daily, weekly, monthly) and can produce compressed disk image files for speedy restoration. I use Vista with JAWS 11. aThanks in advance, Csaba from Hungary For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] Manuals for new users
Hi Friends, I would like the mentioned manuals, too. Currently I'm working on a website about JAWS and there I could it use after translation into Hungarian. Thaks in advance! Csaba Tshaba 2013.04.23. 18:48 keltezéssel, Angela Delicata írta: I'd like to receive them too. Thanks in advance. Angela from Italy. -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:42 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Manuals for new users Hi list. Time ago, I made a kind of jaws training. I remember that we had a list of files, some in html, others in doc. These files were a documentation that explain how jaws works, and the basic commands for use this screen reader. I don't know where I put those files, and I don't know from where can I get those files. Anybody at the list knows, or knows what are those files? Thanks Pablo For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ -- Caselle da 1GB, trasmetti allegati fino a 3GB e in piu' IMAP, POP3 e SMTP autenticato? GRATIS solo con Email.it http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: PEC nel Registro delle Imprese entro il 30/6/2013, attivala ora e risparmi fino al 20% Clicca qui: http://adv.email.it/cgi-bin/foclick.cgi?mid=12825d=23-4 For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] jaws loading wrong scripts for outlook
Hi Andrew, Did you checked confignames.ini? Are entries concerning to Outlook separated by version? In my confignames.ini are the following entries: outlook=Microsoft Outlook 2007 outlook:14=Microsoft Outlook 2010 If the entries are not versionsafe, then could load JAWS wrong script. Kindly, Tshaba2013.03.26. 2:53 keltezéssel, Andrew Head írta: Hi all, A few weeks ago I wrote to the list concerning a problem where I am using outlook 2010, but jaws is loading scripts for outlook 2007. I have tried a complete uninstall and reinstall of jaws from scratch, but still have the same problem. If anyone has any suggestions they would be greatly appreciated as reading arrowing down lists of mail is particularly frustrating and jaws is too verbose. Kind regards, Andrew For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
