[JAWS-Users] laptop keys
Hello, Using a laptop keyboard for first time. I changed in startup wizard from standard to laptop.. Here are my questions. What on a laptop replace the following: Scroll lock Pause Home End Page up Page down Insert or jaws key Application key Please let me know or direct me to a resource Best, Al For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] laptop keys
Please ignore, I found the resource in JAWS help. I over looked earlier Best, Al -Original Message- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Alan Robbins Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 5:30 PM To: Jaws-Users-List Subject: [JAWS-Users] laptop keys Hello, Using a laptop keyboard for first time. I changed in startup wizard from standard to laptop.. Here are my questions. What on a laptop replace the following: Scroll lock Pause Home End Page up Page down Insert or jaws key Application key Please let me know or direct me to a resource Best, Al For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS
The caps lock key absolutely doubles as the jaws key on a laptop. There is, though, a key on all of the laptops I have used, as well as my Acer netbook, that functions as a jaws key. It is the second key in from the left on the bottom row of keys, just to the right of the control key. Officially, I think it's called the function key, but don't quote me on that. I have worked as a computer trainer/technician for about three years now, and I've found this key on all of the laptops I have used, including my own. I have fouhnd that it performs very nearly all of the same functions as the caps lock key on a laptop. It's simply another option, that's all. Deanne -- Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W andrew.bara...@va.gov To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS
What do you mean? When you press that function key, that is the key to the right of the left control in combination with other keys, F12 for instance, does it say the time? Or if you press that key wit F11, does it invoke the system tray thing? Is that what you mean by that being a JAWS key also? Because if that's what you mean, I can say that not all laptops behave like that so it would be quite confusing if you call that JAWS key by definition. But if I did not understand what you mean, kindly clarify your post here because it is really confusing to some. Thanks - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS The caps lock key absolutely doubles as the jaws key on a laptop. There is, though, a key on all of the laptops I have used, as well as my Acer netbook, that functions as a jaws key. It is the second key in from the left on the bottom row of keys, just to the right of the control key. Officially, I think it's called the function key, but don't quote me on that. I have worked as a computer trainer/technician for about three years now, and I've found this key on all of the laptops I have used, including my own. I have fouhnd that it performs very nearly all of the same functions as the caps lock key on a laptop. It's simply another option, that's all. Deanne -- Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W andrew.bara...@va.gov To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS
I think she refers that using this key behaves like JAWS key in most, but not all cases. On my laptop, it will do so for instance pressing the function key and the semicolon is like pressing the CAPSLOCK (acting as JAWS key) to make a plus (or a PC cursor). The function key helps to turn the right side of the laptop keyboard into the numpad, the function that the Capslock working as the JAWS key does so. However, pressing it with the F12 for time, I never tried that. I think you will need to first assign this key in your global keymap file for that. However, I find using the function key for other tasks easier such as pressing it with the left arrow key to work as a HOME Key, with the right arrow key to make an END key, with the down arrow to make a PAGE Down etc. - Original Message - From: Ijemmer Ramos ijemmerjo...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS What do you mean? When you press that function key, that is the key to the right of the left control in combination with other keys, F12 for instance, does it say the time? Or if you press that key wit F11, does it invoke the system tray thing? Is that what you mean by that being a JAWS key also? Because if that's what you mean, I can say that not all laptops behave like that so it would be quite confusing if you call that JAWS key by definition. But if I did not understand what you mean, kindly clarify your post here because it is really confusing to some. Thanks - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS The caps lock key absolutely doubles as the jaws key on a laptop. There is, though, a key on all of the laptops I have used, as well as my Acer netbook, that functions as a jaws key. It is the second key in from the left on the bottom row of keys, just to the right of the control key. Officially, I think it's called the function key, but don't quote me on that. I have worked as a computer trainer/technician for about three years now, and I've found this key on all of the laptops I have used, including my own. I have fouhnd that it performs very nearly all of the same functions as the caps lock key on a laptop. It's simply another option, that's all. Deanne -- Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W andrew.bara...@va.gov To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I
Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS
Hello, Pressing the caps lock key with the semicolon key in laptop configuration gives the PC cursor. Using the FN key with the semicolon gives the JAWS cursor. Using the FN key with P does a right mouse button click. Using caps lock key with P gives the JAWS cursor. I don't think on most laptops the FN key simulates the caps lock key. People should be aware when trying these key combinations that although the caps lock key with F9 lists frames, on some laptops the FN key with F9 mutes sound output. Although the FN key is used on laptops to give a user a number pad set up to work with, it doesn't really simulate the uses of the caps lock key in the JAWS laptop configuration. Take care. Brian Lee brianl...@charter.net -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Ishe Chinyoka Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 11:01 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS I think she refers that using this key behaves like JAWS key in most, but not all cases. On my laptop, it will do so for instance pressing the function key and the semicolon is like pressing the CAPSLOCK (acting as JAWS key) to make a plus (or a PC cursor). The function key helps to turn the right side of the laptop keyboard into the numpad, the function that the Capslock working as the JAWS key does so. However, pressing it with the F12 for time, I never tried that. I think you will need to first assign this key in your global keymap file for that. However, I find using the function key for other tasks easier such as pressing it with the left arrow key to work as a HOME Key, with the right arrow key to make an END key, with the down arrow to make a PAGE Down etc. - Original Message - From: Ijemmer Ramos ijemmerjo...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS What do you mean? When you press that function key, that is the key to the right of the left control in combination with other keys, F12 for instance, does it say the time? Or if you press that key wit F11, does it invoke the system tray thing? Is that what you mean by that being a JAWS key also? Because if that's what you mean, I can say that not all laptops behave like that so it would be quite confusing if you call that JAWS key by definition. But if I did not understand what you mean, kindly clarify your post here because it is really confusing to some. Thanks - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS The caps lock key absolutely doubles as the jaws key on a laptop. There is, though, a key on all of the laptops I have used, as well as my Acer netbook, that functions as a jaws key. It is the second key in from the left on the bottom row of keys, just to the right of the control key. Officially, I think it's called the function key, but don't quote me on that. I have worked as a computer trainer/technician for about three years now, and I've found this key on all of the laptops I have used, including my own. I have fouhnd that it performs very nearly all of the same functions as the caps lock key on a laptop. It's simply another option, that's all. Deanne -- Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W andrew.bara...@va.gov To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment
Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS
It is my understanding that there is a difference between the Insert key and the JAWS key. They perform many of the same commands, but at times they perform different ones. For example, In combination with F12, they will both announce the time. However, Insert plus 8 activates the keyboard manager, while JAWS key plus 8 is the same as clicking the left mouse button. The function key, on the other hand, essentially turns the right side of the keyboard into the equivalent of the num pad on a full keyboard. Hence, it performs some of the same commands as the JAWS key, but certainly not all of them. In my experience, most laptops have this function key on the bottom row ,second key from the left, and it is worth knowing about it in case it can make using the laptop keyboard a little easier. I apologize for any confusion I caused by saying it could double as a JAWS key. Let's just say that, in addition to the Insert key and the caps lock JAWS key, there is a function key that can make the right side of a laptop keyboard function like a numpad. Again, I'm sorry if I confused anyone. I was really just trying to help. Deanne - Original Message - Fromm: Ijemmer Ramos ijemmerjo...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS What do you mean? When you press that function key, that is the key to the right of the left control in combination with other keys, F12 for instance, does it say the time? Or if you press that key wit F11, does it invoke the system tray thing? Is that what you mean by that being a JAWS key also? Because if that's what you mean, I can say that not all laptops behave like that so it would be quite confusing if you call that JAWS key by definition. But if I did not understand what you mean, kindly clarify your post here because it is really confusing to some. Thanks - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS The caps lock key absolutely doubles as the jaws key on a laptop. There is, though, a key on all of the laptops I have used, as well as my Acer netbook, that functions as a jaws key. It is the second key in from the left on the bottom row of keys, just to the right of the control key. Officially, I think it's called the function key, but don't quote me on that. I have worked as a computer trainer/technician for about three years now, and I've found this key on all of the laptops I have used, including my own. I have fouhnd that it performs very nearly all of the same functions as the caps lock key on a laptop. It's simply another option, that's all. Deanne -- Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W andrew.bara...@va.gov To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS
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Nope, your problem is your understanding confuses two things. The insert key is the Jaws key. Where you are getting confused is keyboard layout. On laptops, which sometimes don't have an insert key, the laptop layout makes the Caps-Lock key function as the Jaws key. And, because smaller laptops lack full-sized keyboards with separte numpads, some of the function key assignments such as left-mouse click emulation have been re-assigned in the Laptop keyboard layout of Jaws. One of those is left-click which is normally the insert-numpad slash combination but is re-assigned under the laptop configuration. As a matter of fact, if you had a full-sized keyboard on your laptop, or hooked up one and used the laptop layout in Jaws, you'd see that you can perform the same functions with the Caps lock key or with the insert key. This proves that both keys are the Jaws key. Take my advice, I don't use it anyway. Steve Lansing, MI - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS It is my understanding that there is a difference between the Insert key and the JAWS key. They perform many of the same commands, but at times they perform different ones. For example, In combination with F12, they will both announce the time. However, Insert plus 8 activates the keyboard manager, while JAWS key plus 8 is the same as clicking the left mouse button. The function key, on the other hand, essentially turns the right side of the keyboard into the equivalent of the num pad on a full keyboard. Hence, it performs some of the same commands as the JAWS key, but certainly not all of them. In my experience, most laptops have this function key on the bottom row ,second key from the left, and it is worth knowing about it in case it can make using the laptop keyboard a little easier. I apologize for any confusion I caused by saying it could double as a JAWS key. Let's just say that, in addition to the Insert key and the caps lock JAWS key, there is a function key that can make the right side of a laptop keyboard function like a numpad. Again, I'm sorry if I confused anyone. I was really just trying to help. Deanne - Original Message - Fromm: Ijemmer Ramos ijemmerjo...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS What do you mean? When you press that function key, that is the key to the right of the left control in combination with other keys, F12 for instance, does it say the time? Or if you press that key wit F11, does it invoke the system tray thing? Is that what you mean by that being a JAWS key also? Because if that's what you mean, I can say that not all laptops behave like that so it would be quite confusing if you call that JAWS key by definition. But if I did not understand what you mean, kindly clarify your post here because it is really confusing to some. Thanks - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS The caps lock key absolutely doubles as the jaws key on a laptop. There is, though, a key on all of the laptops I have used, as well as my Acer netbook, that functions as a jaws key. It is the second key in from the left on the bottom row of keys, just to the right of the control key. Officially, I think it's called the function key, but don't quote me on that. I have worked as a computer trainer/technician for about three years now, and I've found this key on all of the laptops I have used, including my own. I have fouhnd that it performs very nearly all of the same functions as the caps lock key on a laptop. It's simply another option, that's all. Deanne -- Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W andrew.bara...@va.gov To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24
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Thanks. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS It is my understanding that there is a difference between the Insert key and the JAWS key. They perform many of the same commands, but at times they perform different ones. For example, In combination with F12, they will both announce the time. However, Insert plus 8 activates the keyboard manager, while JAWS key plus 8 is the same as clicking the left mouse button. The function key, on the other hand, essentially turns the right side of the keyboard into the equivalent of the num pad on a full keyboard. Hence, it performs some of the same commands as the JAWS key, but certainly not all of them. In my experience, most laptops have this function key on the bottom row ,second key from the left, and it is worth knowing about it in case it can make using the laptop keyboard a little easier. I apologize for any confusion I caused by saying it could double as a JAWS key. Let's just say that, in addition to the Insert key and the caps lock JAWS key, there is a function key that can make the right side of a laptop keyboard function like a numpad. Again, I'm sorry if I confused anyone. I was really just trying to help. Deanne - Original Message - Fromm: Ijemmer Ramos ijemmerjo...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS What do you mean? When you press that function key, that is the key to the right of the left control in combination with other keys, F12 for instance, does it say the time? Or if you press that key wit F11, does it invoke the system tray thing? Is that what you mean by that being a JAWS key also? Because if that's what you mean, I can say that not all laptops behave like that so it would be quite confusing if you call that JAWS key by definition. But if I did not understand what you mean, kindly clarify your post here because it is really confusing to some. Thanks - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:23 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS The caps lock key absolutely doubles as the jaws key on a laptop. There is, though, a key on all of the laptops I have used, as well as my Acer netbook, that functions as a jaws key. It is the second key in from the left on the bottom row of keys, just to the right of the control key. Officially, I think it's called the function key, but don't quote me on that. I have worked as a computer trainer/technician for about three years now, and I've found this key on all of the laptops I have used, including my own. I have fouhnd that it performs very nearly all of the same functions as the caps lock key on a laptop. It's simply another option, that's all. Deanne -- Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W andrew.bara...@va.gov To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin
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This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Hi Andy, I understand where you are coming from, but users should familiarize themselves with the specific keys labeled by their screen-reader. Many times we confuse ourselves, by not reading the documentation provided with the product, and then listening to terms that are used inter-changeably by different people. Just my opinion. Rick Justice - Original Message - From: Baracco, Andrew W andrew.bara...@va.gov To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS This is one of many situations where using the expression JAWS key may not be helpful. I think it is preferable to call keys by their standard names. If you are using JAWS in its laptop configuration, the so called JAWS key is actually the CAPS LOCK key, and I think it would be more helpful to use that description. Andy -Original Message- From: jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Josh Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:23 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Thank you, you taught me something new today because my insert key is the second key from the right across the top row. - Original Message - From: Deanne Miller jawsstude...@gmail.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Some laptops have an insert key, often on the top row, second key from the right. Also, often there is a jaws key on the bottom row, second from the left, just to the right of the control key. If you hold down the jaws key, the nine keys, JKL, UIO, and 7 8 9, have the number pad functions. Holding down the caps lock key and pressing these keys performs other reading functions. Experiment with your laptop and see what happens. Also, don't forget about Insert plus 1, keyboard help. You might experiment with your laptop using keyboard help and learn how it functions. That's how I learned to use both of mine. HTH Deanne - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
[JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS
Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Instead of using the 0 key ont eh numpad, you would use the Caps Lock on the laptop keyboard. It does take some getting used to at first. You can find keystrokes for laptops in the Jaws Help Section in your Jaws program. Hope this helps! wayne Scott A merry heart does good like medicine, but a broken spirit dries the bones. - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
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Thank you David and Wayne. I will check this out. - Original Message - From: David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Check the help menu under updates. David Ferrin ow...@jaws-users.com - Original Message - From: Josh lawdog...@comcast.net To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:53 PM Subject: [JAWS-Users] LAPTOP KEYS WITH JAWS Jaws Users, I have been using my Dell 1545 laptop with an external number pad. My question to the list is what is the learning curve if I decided to do away with the external number pad and just use the keys on the keyboard? Is there any tutorials on this topic anywhere? I have Jaws 10 and my windows is XP. thanks for all help offered on this matter. I thought it best to learn this while school is out for the summer. For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/ For answers to frequently asked questions about this list visit: http://www.jaws-users.com/help/
