Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Angel Herraez]

A paper that may be worth reading in this respect:

* (2008) Adapting a single-user, single-display molecular 
visualization application for use in a multi-user, multi-display 
environment.
http://www.cliftonforlines.com/papers/2008_forlines_molvis.pdf

(now linked from MultiUser_Jmol and Jmol_Literature pages in the 
Wiki)

El 21 Nov 2008 a las 22:15, Dean Johnston escribió:

> 
> Jmol users,
> 
>  I've had a request to make my Jmol pages work with a GeoWall-type 
> setup. (If you're not familiar with GeoWall (www.geowall.org), it's 
> a low-cost stereo projection system. You setup a computer with a 
> dual-head video card, two projectors with polarizing filters, and 
> align the two projectors on the same screen. You can then use a 
> variety of software (including Jmol) to project two orientations, one 
> to each projector -- if you're wearing properly polarized glasses you 
> get a very nice 3D effect.)
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Robert Hanson]

when you think you have something, send me a link and I will try it here.

Bob


On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're too fast!  I just got my single applet version working (I think - we
> don't have a GeoWall setup here).  Centering/aligning shouldn't be a problem
> if I can properly detect the window width and position using CSS.  Thanks!
>
> Dean
>
> On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Dean, try http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/syncstereo.htm
>>
>> I know for your use you need the table cells centered -- some
>> experimentation there will be necessary.
>>
>> The new command is:
>>
>>  sync * stereo
>>
>>
>> files are in http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/Jmol-11.zip
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > OK, do let me know how that goes. I have a setup here I'm supposed to
>> > try Jmol on as well.
>> >
>> > In the mean time, I'll think about the possibility of using one applet
>> > to transmit screen buffers to two different applet windows. Sort of a
>> > "dummy applet" idea. You would do all control on one, but the matching
>> > stereo image would be sent to the other.
>> >
>> > Bob
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Thanks for the clarification.  I think I'll go for the slight redesign
>> >> and
>> >> use the stereo command.  I don't want to give even more people
>> >> headaches
>> >> that might result from a slight delay between the two :-|
>> >>
>> >> Dean
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Dean, just to be clear -- I was missing something as well -- If you
>> >>> are using mouse syncing and not script syncing, then you should be
>> >>> able to send any rotation commands you want to one of the applets and
>> >>> the other won't respond. No need to turn sync on and off. So you
>> >>> should be able to rotate the models independently with scripting to
>> >>> set up the stereo anytime, even with syncing on. Since you are syncing
>> >>> with the mouse, you don't have to worry about any rotations you would
>> >>> do with scripting -- they won't be transmitted anyway. You just have
>> >>> to worry about resets, file loads, and such, where in each case you
>> >>> will have to make sure both applets load (using script syncing?) and
>> >>> then rotate one model and not the other. (Yes, you could also do both
>> >>> -- one one way and the other the other way, but Jmol just rotates the
>> >>> right-hand one.) The proper angle is 3 degrees (-1.5 and 1.5) for
>> >>> overlaid stereo. 5 degrees is for side-by-side stereo.
>> >>>
>> >>> That said, I still think you are asking too much of sync. Stereo
>> >>> should be absolutely simultaneous projection. There WILL be some
>> >>> delay, especially for larger structures.
>> >>>
>> >>> Are you sure you can't have buttons and such below the applet and
>> >>> still have a good stereo effect with the Jmol stereo command?
>> >>>
>> >>> Bob
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Robert M. Hanson
>> >>> Professor of Chemistry
>> >>> St. Olaf College
>> >>> 1520 St. Olaf Ave.
>> >>> Northfield, MN 55057
>> >>> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr
>> >>> phone: 507-786-3107
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> If nature does not answer first what we want,
>> >>> it is better to take what answer we get.
>> >>>
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Dean Johnston]

You're too fast!  I just got my single applet version working (I think - we
don't have a GeoWall setup here).  Centering/aligning shouldn't be a problem
if I can properly detect the window width and position using CSS.  Thanks!

Dean

On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dean, try http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/syncstereo.htm
>
> I know for your use you need the table cells centered -- some
> experimentation there will be necessary.
>
> The new command is:
>
>  sync * stereo
>
>
> files are in http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/Jmol-11.zip
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > OK, do let me know how that goes. I have a setup here I'm supposed to
> > try Jmol on as well.
> >
> > In the mean time, I'll think about the possibility of using one applet
> > to transmit screen buffers to two different applet windows. Sort of a
> > "dummy applet" idea. You would do all control on one, but the matching
> > stereo image would be sent to the other.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >> Thanks for the clarification.  I think I'll go for the slight redesign
> and
> >> use the stereo command.  I don't want to give even more people headaches
> >> that might result from a slight delay between the two :-|
> >>
> >> Dean
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Dean, just to be clear -- I was missing something as well -- If you
> >>> are using mouse syncing and not script syncing, then you should be
> >>> able to send any rotation commands you want to one of the applets and
> >>> the other won't respond. No need to turn sync on and off. So you
> >>> should be able to rotate the models independently with scripting to
> >>> set up the stereo anytime, even with syncing on. Since you are syncing
> >>> with the mouse, you don't have to worry about any rotations you would
> >>> do with scripting -- they won't be transmitted anyway. You just have
> >>> to worry about resets, file loads, and such, where in each case you
> >>> will have to make sure both applets load (using script syncing?) and
> >>> then rotate one model and not the other. (Yes, you could also do both
> >>> -- one one way and the other the other way, but Jmol just rotates the
> >>> right-hand one.) The proper angle is 3 degrees (-1.5 and 1.5) for
> >>> overlaid stereo. 5 degrees is for side-by-side stereo.
> >>>
> >>> That said, I still think you are asking too much of sync. Stereo
> >>> should be absolutely simultaneous projection. There WILL be some
> >>> delay, especially for larger structures.
> >>>
> >>> Are you sure you can't have buttons and such below the applet and
> >>> still have a good stereo effect with the Jmol stereo command?
> >>>
> >>> Bob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Robert M. Hanson
> >>> Professor of Chemistry
> >>> St. Olaf College
> >>> 1520 St. Olaf Ave.
> >>> Northfield, MN 55057
> >>> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr
> >>> phone: 507-786-3107
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If nature does not answer first what we want,
> >>> it is better to take what answer we get.
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >
>
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Robert Hanson]

Dean, try http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/syncstereo.htm

I know for your use you need the table cells centered -- some
experimentation there will be necessary.

The new command is:

 sync * stereo


files are in http://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/docs/examples-11/Jmol-11.zip

Bob


On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:24 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> OK, do let me know how that goes. I have a setup here I'm supposed to
> try Jmol on as well.
>
> In the mean time, I'll think about the possibility of using one applet
> to transmit screen buffers to two different applet windows. Sort of a
> "dummy applet" idea. You would do all control on one, but the matching
> stereo image would be sent to the other.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Thanks for the clarification.  I think I'll go for the slight redesign and
>> use the stereo command.  I don't want to give even more people headaches
>> that might result from a slight delay between the two :-|
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dean, just to be clear -- I was missing something as well -- If you
>>> are using mouse syncing and not script syncing, then you should be
>>> able to send any rotation commands you want to one of the applets and
>>> the other won't respond. No need to turn sync on and off. So you
>>> should be able to rotate the models independently with scripting to
>>> set up the stereo anytime, even with syncing on. Since you are syncing
>>> with the mouse, you don't have to worry about any rotations you would
>>> do with scripting -- they won't be transmitted anyway. You just have
>>> to worry about resets, file loads, and such, where in each case you
>>> will have to make sure both applets load (using script syncing?) and
>>> then rotate one model and not the other. (Yes, you could also do both
>>> -- one one way and the other the other way, but Jmol just rotates the
>>> right-hand one.) The proper angle is 3 degrees (-1.5 and 1.5) for
>>> overlaid stereo. 5 degrees is for side-by-side stereo.
>>>
>>> That said, I still think you are asking too much of sync. Stereo
>>> should be absolutely simultaneous projection. There WILL be some
>>> delay, especially for larger structures.
>>>
>>> Are you sure you can't have buttons and such below the applet and
>>> still have a good stereo effect with the Jmol stereo command?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Robert M. Hanson
>>> Professor of Chemistry
>>> St. Olaf College
>>> 1520 St. Olaf Ave.
>>> Northfield, MN 55057
>>> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr
>>> phone: 507-786-3107
>>>
>>>
>>> If nature does not answer first what we want,
>>> it is better to take what answer we get.
>>>
>>> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900
>>>
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>
>
> If nature does not answer first what we want,
> it is better to take what answer we get.
>
> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900
>



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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Robert Hanson]

OK, do let me know how that goes. I have a setup here I'm supposed to
try Jmol on as well.

In the mean time, I'll think about the possibility of using one applet
to transmit screen buffers to two different applet windows. Sort of a
"dummy applet" idea. You would do all control on one, but the matching
stereo image would be sent to the other.

Bob


On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 8:01 AM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification.  I think I'll go for the slight redesign and
> use the stereo command.  I don't want to give even more people headaches
> that might result from a slight delay between the two :-|
>
> Dean
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Dean, just to be clear -- I was missing something as well -- If you
>> are using mouse syncing and not script syncing, then you should be
>> able to send any rotation commands you want to one of the applets and
>> the other won't respond. No need to turn sync on and off. So you
>> should be able to rotate the models independently with scripting to
>> set up the stereo anytime, even with syncing on. Since you are syncing
>> with the mouse, you don't have to worry about any rotations you would
>> do with scripting -- they won't be transmitted anyway. You just have
>> to worry about resets, file loads, and such, where in each case you
>> will have to make sure both applets load (using script syncing?) and
>> then rotate one model and not the other. (Yes, you could also do both
>> -- one one way and the other the other way, but Jmol just rotates the
>> right-hand one.) The proper angle is 3 degrees (-1.5 and 1.5) for
>> overlaid stereo. 5 degrees is for side-by-side stereo.
>>
>> That said, I still think you are asking too much of sync. Stereo
>> should be absolutely simultaneous projection. There WILL be some
>> delay, especially for larger structures.
>>
>> Are you sure you can't have buttons and such below the applet and
>> still have a good stereo effect with the Jmol stereo command?
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert M. Hanson
>> Professor of Chemistry
>> St. Olaf College
>> 1520 St. Olaf Ave.
>> Northfield, MN 55057
>> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr
>> phone: 507-786-3107
>>
>>
>> If nature does not answer first what we want,
>> it is better to take what answer we get.
>>
>> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900
>>
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Dean Johnston]

Thanks for the clarification.  I think I'll go for the slight redesign and
use the stereo command.  I don't want to give even more people headaches
that might result from a slight delay between the two :-|

Dean


On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 7:45 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dean, just to be clear -- I was missing something as well -- If you
> are using mouse syncing and not script syncing, then you should be
> able to send any rotation commands you want to one of the applets and
> the other won't respond. No need to turn sync on and off. So you
> should be able to rotate the models independently with scripting to
> set up the stereo anytime, even with syncing on. Since you are syncing
> with the mouse, you don't have to worry about any rotations you would
> do with scripting -- they won't be transmitted anyway. You just have
> to worry about resets, file loads, and such, where in each case you
> will have to make sure both applets load (using script syncing?) and
> then rotate one model and not the other. (Yes, you could also do both
> -- one one way and the other the other way, but Jmol just rotates the
> right-hand one.) The proper angle is 3 degrees (-1.5 and 1.5) for
> overlaid stereo. 5 degrees is for side-by-side stereo.
>
> That said, I still think you are asking too much of sync. Stereo
> should be absolutely simultaneous projection. There WILL be some
> delay, especially for larger structures.
>
> Are you sure you can't have buttons and such below the applet and
> still have a good stereo effect with the Jmol stereo command?
>
> Bob
>
>
> --
> Robert M. Hanson
> Professor of Chemistry
> St. Olaf College
> 1520 St. Olaf Ave.
> Northfield, MN 55057
> http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr
> phone: 507-786-3107
>
>
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> it is better to take what answer we get.
>
> -- Josiah Willard Gibbs, Lecture XXX, Monday, February 5, 1900
>
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Robert Hanson]

Dean, just to be clear -- I was missing something as well -- If you
are using mouse syncing and not script syncing, then you should be
able to send any rotation commands you want to one of the applets and
the other won't respond. No need to turn sync on and off. So you
should be able to rotate the models independently with scripting to
set up the stereo anytime, even with syncing on. Since you are syncing
with the mouse, you don't have to worry about any rotations you would
do with scripting -- they won't be transmitted anyway. You just have
to worry about resets, file loads, and such, where in each case you
will have to make sure both applets load (using script syncing?) and
then rotate one model and not the other. (Yes, you could also do both
-- one one way and the other the other way, but Jmol just rotates the
right-hand one.) The proper angle is 3 degrees (-1.5 and 1.5) for
overlaid stereo. 5 degrees is for side-by-side stereo.

That said, I still think you are asking too much of sync. Stereo
should be absolutely simultaneous projection. There WILL be some
delay, especially for larger structures.

Are you sure you can't have buttons and such below the applet and
still have a good stereo effect with the Jmol stereo command?

Bob


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St. Olaf College
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Northfield, MN 55057
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Bob Hanson]

Dean. You just have to make sure you use all Molecular rotations after  
that   almost certainly that's what you do now.


On Nov 23, 2008, at 1:24 PM, "Dean Johnston" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


I'm not sure it's that easy - I agree that rotating one model as you  
describe would give you stereo perspective initially. But as soon as  
you rotate the model(s) you destroy the difference in perspective.   
For example, if I have two parallel lines pointing directly at the  
viewer, to give "perspective" I could rotate the left one -2.5  
degrees around y and the right one +2.5 degrees around y.  If I then  
rotate 90 degrees around x, I'll see two lines that are not  
parallel, even though that's what I should see.


What I need is for the two applets to show two different  
perspectives on the same model such that the perspective differences  
are maintained even while rotating.  Am I missing something easy here?


Dean


On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

Oh, I see. That's easy!

Just turn sync off, rotate one model -5 degrees around the Y axis
(rotate y -5), and then turn mouse syncing back on.
They will now track properly as stereo images.


On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Dean Johnston  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I guess I was asking if the sync command could be modified (feature
> request!) such that two different perspectives could be shown in two
> different applets.  (I realize that the delay might be an issue,  
but in my
> testing on my computer it wasn't noticeable - FYI, I only have  
syncMouse on.

> If syncScript is on then the delay is significant.)
>
> As far as George's solution - if I make the applet the full width  
of both
> screens then it doesn't leave room for my other controls like  
molecule
> selection, etc.  I could rewrite my pages to put the controls  
above or below

> the applet, but I was hoping that sync might work.  Thanks.
>
> Dean
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Robert Hanson  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>
>> Dean, you need to use stereo, not sync. Sync will certainly drive  
the

>> viewer nuts -- there will be a slight delay between eyes. George
>> Lisensky has used Jmol with GeoWall -- ask him how he does it. I'm
>> pretty sure you just make the applet or application 2048 pixels  
wide
>> and then direct the left side of the screen to one projector and  
the

>> right side to the other.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>

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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Dean Johnston]

I'm not sure it's that easy - I agree that rotating one model as you
describe would give you stereo perspective initially. But as soon as you
rotate the model(s) you destroy the difference in perspective.  For example,
if I have two parallel lines pointing directly at the viewer, to give
"perspective" I could rotate the left one -2.5 degrees around y and the
right one +2.5 degrees around y.  If I then rotate 90 degrees around x, I'll
see two lines that are not parallel, even though that's what I should see.

What I need is for the two applets to show two different perspectives on the
same model such that the perspective differences are maintained even while
rotating.  Am I missing something easy here?

Dean


On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 7:51 AM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Oh, I see. That's easy!
>
> Just turn sync off, rotate one model -5 degrees around the Y axis
> (rotate y -5), and then turn mouse syncing back on.
> They will now track properly as stereo images.
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Bob,
> >
> > I guess I was asking if the sync command could be modified (feature
> > request!) such that two different perspectives could be shown in two
> > different applets.  (I realize that the delay might be an issue, but in
> my
> > testing on my computer it wasn't noticeable - FYI, I only have syncMouse
> on.
> > If syncScript is on then the delay is significant.)
> >
> > As far as George's solution - if I make the applet the full width of both
> > screens then it doesn't leave room for my other controls like molecule
> > selection, etc.  I could rewrite my pages to put the controls above or
> below
> > the applet, but I was hoping that sync might work.  Thanks.
> >
> > Dean
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dean, you need to use stereo, not sync. Sync will certainly drive the
> >> viewer nuts -- there will be a slight delay between eyes. George
> >> Lisensky has used Jmol with GeoWall -- ask him how he does it. I'm
> >> pretty sure you just make the applet or application 2048 pixels wide
> >> and then direct the left side of the screen to one projector and the
> >> right side to the other.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Robert Hanson]

Oh, I see. That's easy!

Just turn sync off, rotate one model -5 degrees around the Y axis
(rotate y -5), and then turn mouse syncing back on.
They will now track properly as stereo images.


On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 9:22 PM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I guess I was asking if the sync command could be modified (feature
> request!) such that two different perspectives could be shown in two
> different applets.  (I realize that the delay might be an issue, but in my
> testing on my computer it wasn't noticeable - FYI, I only have syncMouse on.
> If syncScript is on then the delay is significant.)
>
> As far as George's solution - if I make the applet the full width of both
> screens then it doesn't leave room for my other controls like molecule
> selection, etc.  I could rewrite my pages to put the controls above or below
> the applet, but I was hoping that sync might work.  Thanks.
>
> Dean
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Dean, you need to use stereo, not sync. Sync will certainly drive the
>> viewer nuts -- there will be a slight delay between eyes. George
>> Lisensky has used Jmol with GeoWall -- ask him how he does it. I'm
>> pretty sure you just make the applet or application 2048 pixels wide
>> and then direct the left side of the screen to one projector and the
>> right side to the other.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> > Jmol users,
>> >
>> >   I've had a request to make my Jmol pages work with a GeoWall-type
>> > setup.
>> > (If you're not familiar with GeoWall (www.geowall.org), it's a low-cost
>> > stereo projection system.  You setup a computer with a dual-head video
>> > card,
>> > two projectors with polarizing filters, and align the two projectors on
>> > the
>> > same screen.  You can then use a variety of software (including Jmol) to
>> > project two orientations, one to each projector -- if you're wearing
>> > properly polarized glasses you get a very nice 3D effect.)
>> >
>> >   I'd like to use the SYNC command to do the same thing the STEREO
>> > command
>> > does, but between two applets. But I don't know that this an option --
>> > it's
>> > probably a feature request.  The stereo command doesn't work for my web
>> > pages because the Jmol applet sits in the middle of the page and I need
>> > a
>> > second applet to appear in the same position on the other monitor
>> > (showing
>> > the other perspective).  Has anybody tried to do something like this?
>> > Thanks.
>> >
>> > Dean
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Dean Johnston]

Bob,

I guess I was asking if the sync command could be modified (feature
request!) such that two different perspectives could be shown in two
different applets.  (I realize that the delay might be an issue, but in my
testing on my computer it wasn't noticeable - FYI, I only have syncMouse on.
If syncScript is on then the delay is significant.)

As far as George's solution - if I make the applet the full width of both
screens then it doesn't leave room for my other controls like molecule
selection, etc.  I could rewrite my pages to put the controls above or below
the applet, but I was hoping that sync might work.  Thanks.

Dean


On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM, Robert Hanson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dean, you need to use stereo, not sync. Sync will certainly drive the
> viewer nuts -- there will be a slight delay between eyes. George
> Lisensky has used Jmol with GeoWall -- ask him how he does it. I'm
> pretty sure you just make the applet or application 2048 pixels wide
> and then direct the left side of the screen to one projector and the
> right side to the other.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > Jmol users,
> >
> >   I've had a request to make my Jmol pages work with a GeoWall-type
> setup.
> > (If you're not familiar with GeoWall (www.geowall.org), it's a low-cost
> > stereo projection system.  You setup a computer with a dual-head video
> card,
> > two projectors with polarizing filters, and align the two projectors on
> the
> > same screen.  You can then use a variety of software (including Jmol) to
> > project two orientations, one to each projector -- if you're wearing
> > properly polarized glasses you get a very nice 3D effect.)
> >
> >   I'd like to use the SYNC command to do the same thing the STEREO
> command
> > does, but between two applets. But I don't know that this an option --
> it's
> > probably a feature request.  The stereo command doesn't work for my web
> > pages because the Jmol applet sits in the middle of the page and I need a
> > second applet to appear in the same position on the other monitor
> (showing
> > the other perspective).  Has anybody tried to do something like this?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Dean
> >
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Robert Hanson]

Dean, you need to use stereo, not sync. Sync will certainly drive the
viewer nuts -- there will be a slight delay between eyes. George
Lisensky has used Jmol with GeoWall -- ask him how he does it. I'm
pretty sure you just make the applet or application 2048 pixels wide
and then direct the left side of the screen to one projector and the
right side to the other.

Bob


On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Dean Johnston <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Jmol users,
>
>   I've had a request to make my Jmol pages work with a GeoWall-type setup.
> (If you're not familiar with GeoWall (www.geowall.org), it's a low-cost
> stereo projection system.  You setup a computer with a dual-head video card,
> two projectors with polarizing filters, and align the two projectors on the
> same screen.  You can then use a variety of software (including Jmol) to
> project two orientations, one to each projector -- if you're wearing
> properly polarized glasses you get a very nice 3D effect.)
>
>   I'd like to use the SYNC command to do the same thing the STEREO command
> does, but between two applets. But I don't know that this an option -- it's
> probably a feature request.  The stereo command doesn't work for my web
> pages because the Jmol applet sits in the middle of the page and I need a
> second applet to appear in the same position on the other monitor (showing
> the other perspective).  Has anybody tried to do something like this?
> Thanks.
>
> Dean
>
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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Egon Willighagen]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Rzepa, Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I request this occasionally. The dual head video card (NVidia Quadro 5X0) 
> supports the quad buffered stereo  openGL
> standards,but  Jmol does not as  I understand. There are other alternatives 
> that do, ie  Pymol, VMD, ChemBio3D (and
> Google Earth!)

Hardware acceleration, e.g. OpenGL, comes with its own pain. Avogadro
uses it, but currently broken on Ubuntu Intrepid. It's more powerful,
and Jmol has to do fancy stuff manually, not taking advantage of the
graphical card... on the up side, it just works anywhere. OpenGL,
unfortunately, is a different story.

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Re: [Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Rzepa, Henry]

>Jmol users,
>
>  I've had a request to make my Jmol pages work with a GeoWall-type setup.  
> (If you're not familiar with GeoWall 
> (www.geowall.org), it's a low-cost stereo projection 
> system.  You setup a computer with a dual-head video card, two projectors 
> with polarizing filters, and align the two projectors on the same screen.  
> You can then use a variety of software (including Jmol) to project two 
> orientations, one to each projector -- if you're wearing properly polarized 
> glasses you get a very nice 3D effect.)
>
>  I'd like to use the SYNC command to do the same thing the STEREO command 
> does, but between two applets. But I don't know that this an option -- it's 
> probably a feature request.  The stereo command doesn't work for my web pages 
> because the Jmol applet sits in the middle of the page and I need a second 
> applet to appear in the same position on the other monitor (showing the other 
> perspective).  Has anybody tried to do something like this?  Thanks.
>

I request this occasionally. The dual head video card (NVidia Quadro 5X0) 
supports the quad buffered stereo  openGL standards,but  Jmol does not as  I 
understand. There are other alternatives that do, ie  Pymol, VMD, ChemBio3D 
(and Google Earth!)
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[Jmol-users] Using the sync command for 3D/stereographic visualization (on a GeoWall)

[Dean Johnston]

Jmol users,

  I've had a request to make my Jmol pages work with a GeoWall-type setup.
(If you're not familiar with GeoWall (www.geowall.org), it's a low-cost
stereo projection system.  You setup a computer with a dual-head video card,
two projectors with polarizing filters, and align the two projectors on the
same screen.  You can then use a variety of software (including Jmol) to
project two orientations, one to each projector -- if you're wearing
properly polarized glasses you get a very nice 3D effect.)

  I'd like to use the SYNC command to do the same thing the STEREO command
does, but between two applets. But I don't know that this an option -- it's
probably a feature request.  The stereo command doesn't work for my web
pages because the Jmol applet sits in the middle of the page and I need a
second applet to appear in the same position on the other monitor (showing
the other perspective).  Has anybody tried to do something like this?
Thanks.

Dean
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