Re: [JOYnet] Dowry
God is with you all. I read the mails regarding Dowry. I am not saying Dowry is good. If God allows me to marry a girl, sure I won't ask for Dowry. That's good if we stop Dowry. Aftwards what will happen to the girls who are not so beatiful? Most of the guys like to marry beatiful girls! then girls' parents has no other choice, they will offer dowry. If the girl is beautiful and rich, dowry is a prestige issue. If the girl is not beautiful and is rich, dowry helps the parents to buy the guy. If the girl is beautiful and poor, chances are more for a good family. Lots of JY guys are searching such girls. If the girl is not beautiful and is poor, I don't know what will be her future. God will help her. with lots of lov & prayers smiju joseph, abu dhabi --- Priya Joy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Lovely, you were asking, is it necessary to get > dowry/share at the time of > marriage > > The Indian women, I mean most of them are not > getting > anything other than this dowry as their share from > own family. > There are lots of laws that assure women equal > share, but in real life how > many got befit of this laws? Thinks many are > not. > More than that many girls are not ready to have > legal fight or tongue war > between their own brothers or parents for this > issue... > Many studies proved that girls give much importance Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re:
Dear friends, Now a days very interesting topic is going on for discussion. I want to add some thing regarding dowry. See, what ever name we call it either share or dowry, it becomes a social evil now in our society. Think about the lower middle class family. Many parents are suffering because of this evil. Parents will not send a girl with empty handed. They will try to give their child maximum they can. But always we can see a bargain in the marriage market. I want to share some personal things with you. Before 1 1/2 years, when I was searching for a girl, I got a letter from one of my Jesus youth leader. He has written a few lines regarding one proposal. He was written that- I have one educated girlwhos parents are ready to give this much lack rupees and some land as her share. If you are interested please give me a reply. When reading that letter I felt very sad. Actually we cannot blame him. Because now the system is like that. If a boy is trying for a marriage, everybody will ask him a question-what is your demand? ( In lakhs). Same thing in girls case, the first question they are asking will be how much you will give her? Some body is telling that, for starting a new family some initial investment necessary, so dowry can justifiable. Let me ask you one question, do you think this amount (3lakh /5 lakh what ever it may be) will be enough to make secure your future life? And with all his abundant wealth through Christ Jesus, my god will supply all our needs. (Phil 4:19) why we are not able to trust in word of god? He is the sovereign lord who fed five thousand people with five loaves of bread. So dont put your foundation with money, but if we build our family in Jesus then it will be strong. Before one year, at the time of my marriage lot of confusions came because of this matter. At the initial stage itself I put one condition-money should not be a factor. My aim was that the girls parents should not run for money to send his daughter with me. So when things become serious, minis (my wife) father told what amount they will give at the time of marriage. Hearing the sum my relatives become disappointed. As per their calculation I am eligible for a higher amount. Even thinking about her family financial situation I was also afraid. Because she was the only earning member in her family. Two younger brothers students. Papa & mummy are sick persons. She is working as staff nurse in Saudi( in company). She was in India for a vacation of 45 days. My first demand was either she will extend her vacation for two months or should resign her job. As per demand she applied for extention, but the chance was only 2%. So when she comes for marriage preperation course, I asked her that after her marriage how her family would survive? She said that god would show them a way. After realizing her family situation, I was really confused thinking that whether am I putting a burden on my head? But john Wilfred and Annie was with me with great support and prayer. John gives me a thought. -Nelson may be god want to enter this house through you. Yes that was a great thought and I understood this as a gods plan and I accepted it with much joy. On 27th august, 2000, I married to mini. After 7 days her visa finished and no information come from her company. So we thought she will be lost her job. But I told her that we will support her family also. But gods plan was great. First week of October we received the letter from her company that they renewed her visa and she reached Saudi on 15th October. Even though we both are in Saudi, we are1500km away from each other. . We have completed one year of our married life in which about 95 days stayed together. Both of our families are happy now. Next week mini will be coming to my place for a vacation of 45 days. So I hope you all will remember us in your prayers. So as a conclusion my opinion is the evil behind the dowry is the greed for money. If a person who gives Jesus the first place in his life can fight against this evil, even though it seems difficult. With love and prayers Your brother in Jesus Nelson Abel, turaif, Saudi Arabia _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Interesting Dowry Story....
Hi Lalmon, Thanks for sharing,but I have to differ with you a little bit.Let's us not make decisions in life or generalise things based on one of the events or cases that took place in some corner of the world. Another thing is that we need to work on is to develop our self image than developing the image .Image is what other people think about you.Self image is what you think about yourself.The Lord has created every one equal and gave them equal value.BA and BTech are educational degrees people aquire from universities. we should focus on qualifying ourselves for the final interview of Jesus than on these little things. By the way this is my personal sharing and not an advise. God Bless George Kuriakose --- Lalmon C Kurian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi friends > > I have some acute views about dowry. If I am wrong, > pls forgive me. I feel, there is nothing wrong in > getting dowry. For this I have my justification. You > can just think of the current kerala. I can tell you > a > very interesting story, if you can listen me. > > Well, the story goes like this. There is one very > nice, happy family. The father is a schoolteacher > and > mother is a housewife. By gods grace they have got > two > children; the first one is a smart guy cupped with > intelligence, moral values and humbleness. The > second > once is cute sweet little girl. She was blessed with > the beauty and softness. They both stated going to > school, guy in 1st std and girl in LKG. But the time > was on his way to heaven and mean while our hero, > prince Guy and heroine Princess Gal was going to > their > youth. Gay took his Engineering from a well-known > institute and working as a software engineer in > reputed MNC. But unfortunately, our heroin could not > reach up to that but still she completed her BA > degree > from a private college. Slowly; the time came for > the > guy to get marry. Many faces came to his hand as > color > snaps of beauty queens, but at last he selected a > very > humble cute girl as his life partner. She was very > humble and god fearing, but she did only Bsc degree. > And they lived happily. But soon, the other thing > happened; our heroin is going to get marry. So many > guys came her way, doctors, engineers, IPS, IAS etc, > but at last she selected her partner, a smart IPS > guy. > But everybody knew that this guy is leading a very > bad > life, but has much treasure in his pocket. But this > girl and her parents didnt think about his > character, > but just saw his money and position. And now its > your > tern to answer me what happen to their life, they > are > ENJOYING OR NOT. > > Well, apart from that, I would like to point out > one > important thing that AN IAS GUY CAN MARRY A BA GIRL, > BUT A BA GUY CAN NEVER EVEN DREAM OF AN IAS GIRL . > But > ACCEPTING DOWRY IS NOT FAIR girls are short, and > hence > they will always look UP and as we poor guys are > tall, > always we need to look DOWN nothing official about > it, > is it not? > > I have a request to u guys and gals pls think at > least > once before telling some comments about anything > > > > Note: - But I am not going to ask any dowry as I > believe; if we marry a girl, then we should be > capable > of nourishing her, even without her fathers help!!! > > Luv Lalmon > > > = > Lalmon C kurian > Senior Software Consultant. > Infosys Technologies Ltd. > Bangalore. > Ph: 9845208884, > 91-80-3474156. > Visit: www.lalmon.com > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth > mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re:[JOYnet] Interesting Dowry Story....
Hello, I read Bijoy's and Lalmon's emails. I agree with Bijoy that greed is the problem. I also agree that parents want the best for their children and therefore they are willing to do whatever it takes to give them a better future. I also believe that girls and their parents need to take a stronger stand for the system to change. Can't enough girls and their parents to decide not proceed with a proposal if the boy or his family wants to know how much dowry is going to be given? Can't boys ask their family to not say a word about dowry? I think something is changing from the story Lalmon is describing. Girls are getting more and more educated these days. We all know that most of the SSLC rank holders are girls for several years. Such results are slowly being shown after SSLC also. When I was doing my Engineering the number of girls in the college was definitely much less than half. But the number of girls are increasing every year. The earning capacity of girls are not going to be much different from that boys for too long. Most of my classmates and friends (who are girls) from college are getting married to boys of similar qualifications. With Prayers, Lovely This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Immaculate Conception
Immaculate Conception Mary the Mother Of God treasured everything in her heart. She was a silent witness to the Word of God. The Word became flesh in her Womb and that is Jesus. We are celebrating the Immaculate Conception of Our Blessed Mother. From the moment of her conception God kept her sinless, Immaculate and Pure. Snow White === I remember driving along the Sierra Mountains in California, one winter time and the hills were clad in pure, white snow. The Pine tree branches were holding chunks of white snow. Everything was white. A very immaculate experience. I had some people with me and one of them said Immaculate White I think that statement sunk into my heart. Since then every Immaculate Conception feast gave me a better idea about the immaculate nature of Our Blessed Mother. Every time I read Isaiah 1.18 and 19, I get a different impact in my life. There I see, sinless ness is white as snow. You are stained red with sin, I will clean you as white as snow Is. 1.18. God has made Our Blessed Mother sinless from the first moment of her conception, immaculate and clean as snow. Is she our Snow White. Perfect Jesus = Jesus was like any of us except in sin. I think the Immanuel made her ( Mary) sinless. We find some common grounds in the life of Jesus and Mary. When the Angel of the Lord announced to Mary, You will be with child and that will be from the Holy Spirit Mary said Behold the Handmaid of the Lord. Let your Holy Will be Done. Jesus did the same thing. Jesus, said when he was confronted with awesome difficulties father let your will be Done. Even on the Cross Jesus said I surrender my soul to you. In a way Jesus was reiterating the same Spirit that gave Mary the courage to say I surrender to the Holy Will of God. We are trying to understand this mystery. Many a treatise and sermons are w! ritten every generation about the announcement of the Immanuel and Marys response. All the more it becomes difficult for us to comprehend. It is difficult for us to comprehend because we are trying to analyse he birth of God as human from the point of view of the sinful people. = Witnessing aspects of the Immaculate onception; The Immaculate Conception gave a lot of witnessing aspects. When God decided to make His Mother Mary, immaculate from the first moment of her existence, God decided to make her witness many events, many Godly events. Mary saw the First Christmas. Mary was privileged to bear witness to the angels singing Glory to God in the Highest and Peace to men of goodwill on earth. Immaculate Conception and the First Miracle of Jesus. Mary witnessed many miracles of Jesus. Mary was instrumental in the first miracle of Jesus (turning water into wine). Mary walked with with Jesus, giving him, moral strength Jesus needed. Is there any mother who wont give moral courage to a son whom she knows is the Son of God. Mary remembered with pleasure the Intervention of God in her own life bringing the life of God a reality on this Earth. Mary was with Jesus when he preached in the Temple. Mary and Joseph made a difference in the life of Jesus. They were the legal parents of Jesus, on the face of this earth. Jesus, God who walked on the earth made Mary, the Mother of God. The Immaculate Conception made her Mother of God and Mother to each and every one of us. Mary silent witness === The Immaculate Conception enabled Mary to be a silent witness to the Love of God. The Immaculate Conception made Mary to be a silent partner of God on the earth along the way of the Cross. Mary was with Jesus, when Jesus walked to Calvary. I am sure Mary had participation in the ministry of Jesus. Many other women supported Jesus in his ministry. I am sure they had connection with Mary. I dont think there would be a mother who wont be touched with her sons friends. Mary might have cooked food for the friends of Jesus. If Mary was instrumental in motivating him to change water into wine, I am sure Mary was also beside the friends of Jesus motivating them to effect a great change in their lives. I think my mother is happy to invite and to provide food hospitality for my friends who come home. . I have noticed that my friends have become the fri! ends of my mother and the rest of my family and vise versa. Holy War I think the Immaculate Conception was a Holy War of God to change people into prayer partners with Jesus. Mary became friends with the friends and benefactors of Jesus. I remember every time when my friends come home my mother and the rest of my family is there to welcome and make them feel at home. Many of my friends felt at home when they visited with me and that is because of my parents and the rest of my family and their attitude to them. I am sure Mary knew Jesus. She
[JOYnet] Goals for JY - 2002
Dear friends, The following are the goals of Jesus Youth for the year 2002, discussed and finalised in the Kerala Youth Central Team 1.To begin prayer groups and make them effective. Each Jesus Youth be a part of a prayer group and help build the group. 2.Each Jesus Youth be an intercessor,with a heavy burden in his heart for the growth of God's Kingdom. 3.Formation of leaders. 4.To further strengthen Mission activities. God bless us all. Jomon Varghese. Co-ordinator JY ,Kerala This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] He spoke to them in Parables
Dear friends, A story I came across today: A rabbi,famed for his learning and his wit,was once asked by his students why he so often illustrated a truth by telling a story. "That I can best explain through a story,"he said,"a parable about Parable itself.There was a time when Truth went among men unadorned,as naked as his name.And whoever saw Truth turned away,in fear or in shame,and gave him no welcome.So Truth wandered through the lands of the earth,rebuffed and unwanted." "One day,most disconsolate,he met Parable,strolling along happily in fine and many-coloured garb.'Truth,why do you seem so sad?'asked Parable cheerfully. 'Because I am so old and ugly that all men avoid me,'replied Truth. 'Nonsense,'laughed Parable.'That is not why men avoid you.Here-borrow some of my clothes,and see what happens.'" "So Truth donned some of Parable's lovely garments-and lo,everywhere he went,he was welcomed",the rabbi smiled. "For the truth is that men cannot face Truth naked;they much prefer him disguised." Annie Berly/Cochin/India This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Create God !!!
Hi joe, Yes ,You are absolutely right Joe.There is nothing that God really hides from us .It's just that we might not have a great amount of wisdom to understand or see it. For example we don't have the wisdom to know what's going to happen to us this evening ,end of this month or end of this year. But when we aquire the gift of wisdom of the Holy Spirit (to the full) I am sure we will know everything. I have a very strong feeling that that's something God has in store for us when we reach heaven.WOW!Exciting right?. Do continue to share Joe,God bless you Thanks George Kuriakose --- st micheals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > hi george... > > thannx george for ur sharing ..however i was told > there's nothing that god would keep a mystery with > anybody..so it does'nt matter whether we are humans > ..joe > > On Fri, 07 Dec 2001 george kuriakose wrote : > > Dear Brother Joe, > > It would be a nice idea to ask this question to > > God Himself.Are'nt you aware that we are all human > > > beings ? > > God Bless > > Thanks > > George Kuriakose > > > > --- st micheals <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > hi friends..just a small query.. > > > > > > who created GOD ?? or how did God come into > > > existence.. > > > > > > thanks and praying ..joe > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus > Youth > > > mailing list. > > > To unsubscribe, send a mail to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > > > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > > > For automatic help, send a mail to > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > > > contact > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > > > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > - > > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth > > mailing list. > > To unsubscribe, send a mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > > For automatic help, send a mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] urgent prayer request.
Urgent Prayer Request. Thomas Mathew ( 21 ), suffering from G.B.Syndrome ( Gillian Barrie Syndrome ) now suffering from Pneumonia, paralyzed; admitted in Sanjay Gandhi Hospital,Lucknow. Now his condition is Very critical. Please pray for his sudden recovery. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Praise GOD and thanks for the prayers
Dear friends on the JOYnet, I want to thank all of you'll for having praying for me. I don't know a lot many of you'll and I also do not know who all has prayed for me. But i am 100% sure that there has been intercessions for me. I had been sending some request for prayers on the JOYnet and also some of my friends in JY. The reason as to why I am so sure is that I am presently having THE PEACE THAT PASSES ALL UNDERSTANDING. Just today I was getting a bit irritaed because of my elder son - in an earlier situtation i would have got angry and scolded him but today i not only realised that i was getting irritated but was able to pray silently. I THANK GOD AND ALL OF YOU'LL ALSO. BYE FOR NOW JOSEPH/SATARA/MAH./INDIA _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] PUNE JYs CONTACT PL.
ANY BODY AT PUNE PLEASE GET BACK TO ME. I AM FROM SATARA. I WILL BE IN TO PUNE FROM 20TH DEC TO 17 JAN FOR A TRAINING PROGRAMME AT THE UNIVERSITY. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO MEET THE JY OF PUNE. SO GET BACK TO ME WITH DETAILS OF PRAYER MEETINGS TIME AND PLACE. SUNDAYS I WILL BE RETURNING TO SATARA i have one more request. do any one of you at pune know of a ok place where i could stay. bye JOSEPH/ SATARA/ MAH. / INDIA. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Goals of JY for 2002
Dear friends, The following are the goals of Jesus Youth for 2002: 1.To begin prayer groups and make them effective. Each Jesus Youth be a part of a prayer group and help build the group. 2.Each Jesus Youth be an intercessor,with a heavy burden in his heart for the growth of God's Kingdom. 3.Formation of leaders. 4.To strengthen Mission activities. God bless us all. Jomon Varghese. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] He spoke to them in parables
Dear friends, A story I came across today: A rabbi,famed for his learning and his wit,was once asked by his students why he so often illustrated a truth by telling a story. "That I can best explain through a story,"he said,"a parable about Parable itself.There was a time when Truth went among men unadorned,as naked as his name.And whoever saw Truth turned away,in fear or in shame,and gave him no welcome.So Truth wandered through the lands of the earth,rebuffed and unwanted." "One day,most disconsolate,he met Parable,strolling along happily in fine and many-coloured garb.'Truth,why do you seem so sad?'asked Parable cheerfully. 'Because I am so old and ugly that all men avoid me,'replied Truth. 'Nonsense,'laughed Parable.'That is not why men avoid you.Here-borrow some of my clothes,and see what happens.'" "So Truth donned some of Parable's lovely garments-and lo,everywhere he went,he was welcomed",the rabbi smiled. "For the truth is that men cannot face Truth naked;they much prefer him disguised." Annie Berly/Cochin/India This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Request Again..
Dear Friends, Praise God!! Greetings from Ahmedabad! I hope all of you are in good spirit and cheer! We wanted you to pray for the following programmes specially. 1. Village outreach to Petlad village tomorrow (8th Dec). We will go tomorrow at 2.00 pm and will come back on Sunday. Please interceed specially. 2. Initial Youth Retreat for the whole of Gujarat in Rajkot from Jan 24th to 27th. Please keep these in your prayers specially. Love Jose Fernandes This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] evangelisation in australia (ente mail no: 5)
You awesome people .. it is me again... still i receive lot of mails. thankx.. thankx alot... some people r wondering seeing my mails every day. they gussed well..yes. it is true.. i am having my holidays.. so i can spend little more than the usual time before the net.. well, today i thought of sharing something about australia. it is a nice country. may be the only country which posesses the entire continent. the poulation is little less than 20 million! (two third of kerala!)i think it is almost 3 times bigger than India. people mainly live in cities. the center part of australia is desert. two third is not fit for living.main problem is the scarecity of water. australia may be one of the richest countries of the world. though the population is multicultural in nature 90% are that of Europian origin. english is the main and the only official language.the country has it own local people i.e aborginee people or indigienious people as they r called. but they r less than 5% of the total population. the main cities r sydney, melbourne, brisbane and adelaide. the cities r really beautiful.australia is blessed with beautiful beaches and variety if wildelife and land scape. it is rich in minerals. the ordinary aussies r kind and fun loving. aussies r known for their sence of humour. one can see that every where(now u dont ask me about aussi cricket team and their sense of humour!..that is a very different story..u know it better than me) well it is a christian country. more than 30% r catholic. but like many western countries australia too is becoming less God oriented. that is the biggest challenge before the church here. charismatic movement is spreaded almost every where, but it is not active as we hav it in india. may be we need more jys here! people hav practically every thing here. lot of wealth, great sence of security due to the Geographical isolation, and absence of natural and man made calamities..etc. it is a young country established by british convicts 200 years ago. but natives were here for more than 6000 years. catholic presence is mainly felt in education and health care. these days church is active in justice and peace issues. since the younger generation is lossing their faith church tries faith formulation through schools. every catholic school has it own dept. of religious education. also another major problem australian society faces is the family disintergration. marriages often break off here. it often leads children to lack of security and higher level of immorality. young people often do not hav a role model to look up. at the same time lot of young adults hav started to thtink differently. australia has a powerful charismatic covenent community and a powerful youth ministry in which every year 40 young people take one year or more full time committment to serve the lord.they travel all around australia sharing the good news among the young pople.the church is almost in the theshold of a new spring time . keep the aussie church in your prayers. we need a lot of prayers here. lov you all heaps God bless you all jose mathew australia For Stock Quotes, Finance News, Insurance, Tax Planners, Mutual Funds... Visit http://in.finance.yahoo.com/ This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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1st dec hi friends, i would like to share this incident that happened yesterday. my dad was havin' some discomfort in the chest and me and my mom immediately took him to the hospital. there i came to know that daddy had a massive heart attack (myocardial infartion) . i was always a person who would be totally down at any little thing that went wrong and usually my friends call me a touch-me-not. but when i knew abt this all that came to my mouth was just praises to my lord . from this i got immense strength. and i became so bold with jesus by my side and could be a comfort to my family and friends around. i asked jesus 'n mother mary to take care of him . and i could see mother mary sitting beside my daddy and massaging his chest . and i was too sure that they were taking good care of him . all were very astonished at my cool attitude which i very firmly know isn't my capabilty but my god's grace that is flowing in me. and i intensely understood the power of praise. doctors said that dad's situation was really serious , if v had been late by a second things would've been different . the initial ecg reports proved that any time v could lose him . when they knew abt this , they gave an injection that would remove the clot in the heart. following this the doctors had to immediately give a shock so that the heart beat came to the normal state. and guess what the 2nd and 3rd stages of the ecg proved that my daddy's heart was back to the normal condition. doctors said that usually it might take a few hours for the person's heart beat to be normal . this is just a miracle that happened . and i know its becoz of my jesus who was constantly taking care of every little thing in my life. as i write this, my daddy is still in the icu under observation. and i know that my jesus will take care of him. and i sincerely ask 4 ur prayers for my daddy . 3rd dec he is getting better now but he is a little bit weak . so continue ur prayers 6th dec he has been discharged from the hospital 'n he is far better . with lotsa luv in jesus, Angela, Trichur. Sign up for your free web based email today! http://www.n2mail.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Another input on dowry
Dear JOYnetters, Thanks Priya for your thoughts. Well, this issue of Dowry can go on and on. You have rightly mentioned by saying that " we are knowingly or unknowingly getting trapped in the lust for money which comes into our thoughts through various forms ". Now-a-days, people make it convenient by using the word 'share' instead of 'dowry'. I know in many cases (which I cannot believe) that even before the boy has seen the girl, the talk of dowry creeps in. So it is like this... even if the boy does not like the girl.. it is okay... but the important thing is money! Well! Are we selling the girl or what it is? I just can't understand? And in most of the cases, the boy's side demand cash rather than jewellery because by demanding "cash" even the expenses for the boy (naturally the family of the boy has to do it)are taken care of. This is something stupid, I feel. In some families where they cannot afford to give dowry, they really pass through a torrid time. Well, it's time for us to ring in the new! It's time to bring our children in the right path so that the Lord may guide them or else the Lord will hold us responsible! In HIS grip & grace, (Thomas) Bangalore, India. --- Priya Cyriac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > I like to putforth my view on this dowry debate as > it turned towards share > being received by a girl. Let me put some questions > which are coming into my > mind right now. > > 1) If it is the share which needs to be divided > equally among all the > children, isn't a girl relying on her parents after > her marriage. Or is the > accounts cleared by the day of marriage??. There > still follows lot of > ceremonies and formalities which needs to be > followed. If a girl is a > share-holder for the property for her parents, she > should be share-holder for > the sorrows, sickness etc of her parents too. How > many percent girls in > reality are able to share all these with her parents > after marriage? It is > quite obvious that her responsibilities and the > priorities in life changes > after marriage, but do our sisters ever think that > we are a share-holder of it > or we think that our brothers have the > responsibility as they have inherited > the so called "tharavadu" (house) from our parents. > Do the girls think of it? > > 2) All these properties are given to us as a gift by > our Abba Father. Would we > be satisfied or rather would it be enough by merely > getting the "gift"/"share" > from our parents? When HE shows us the partner HE > has chosen and bless the > couples in their marriage, we should seek to get the > gifts/share from HIM. HE > has said, "I will supply all your needs" > (Philippians 4:19). Don't we have > faith in HIS promise to us?. The word of GOD again > says..."My grace is > sufficient (II Corinthians 12:9) ". Is it not enough > for us or still we need > something else ? > > When we talk about shares/gift..I just feel that our > attitude again is > changing. We are knowingly or unknowingly getting > trapped in the lust for > money which comes into our thoughts through various > forms. Marriage is a > celebration in the two families which is much above > the show-offs of dowry, > expenditure. We need to rejoice rather than setting > up or clearing the > accounts, dues etc. Whatever we get as our share, > our savings etc are not of > that important but our investment in heaven. If this > is the case, then why > should we think or demand of shares? > > This is just what I feel, differences of opinion are > bound to be there and I > am sorry if I have hurt the feelings of any of our > friends over here. I am not > pointing towards girls in particular, but I am > pointing towards the attitude > which I feel needs to be shared. I am reminded of a > comment of one of my > ex-colleague. He says...we are so well educated, > handsome ..etc that there is > no girl who can stand with us. Hence the girls > parents in order to neautralise > have to pay a handsome amount along with the girl > when they give!!. Sorry > guys, I am not pointing to your attitude either, > just sharing what all are the > thoughts being dominated in our minds. > > Priya > Baroda, Gujarat, India Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Interesting Dowry Story....
Hi friends I have some acute views about dowry. If I am wrong, pls forgive me. I feel, there is nothing wrong in getting dowry. For this I have my justification. You can just think of the current kerala. I can tell you a very interesting story, if you can listen me. Well, the story goes like this. There is one very nice, happy family. The father is a schoolteacher and mother is a housewife. By gods grace they have got two children; the first one is a smart guy cupped with intelligence, moral values and humbleness. The second once is cute sweet little girl. She was blessed with the beauty and softness. They both stated going to school, guy in 1st std and girl in LKG. But the time was on his way to heaven and mean while our hero, prince Guy and heroine Princess Gal was going to their youth. Gay took his Engineering from a well-known institute and working as a software engineer in reputed MNC. But unfortunately, our heroin could not reach up to that but still she completed her BA degree from a private college. Slowly; the time came for the guy to get marry. Many faces came to his hand as color snaps of beauty queens, but at last he selected a very humble cute girl as his life partner. She was very humble and god fearing, but she did only Bsc degree. And they lived happily. But soon, the other thing happened; our heroin is going to get marry. So many guys came her way, doctors, engineers, IPS, IAS etc, but at last she selected her partner, a smart IPS guy. But everybody knew that this guy is leading a very bad life, but has much treasure in his pocket. But this girl and her parents didnt think about his character, but just saw his money and position. And now its your tern to answer me what happen to their life, they are ENJOYING OR NOT. Well, apart from that, I would like to point out one important thing that AN IAS GUY CAN MARRY A BA GIRL, BUT A BA GUY CAN NEVER EVEN DREAM OF AN IAS GIRL . But ACCEPTING DOWRY IS NOT FAIR girls are short, and hence they will always look UP and as we poor guys are tall, always we need to look DOWN nothing official about it, is it not? I have a request to u guys and gals pls think at least once before telling some comments about anything Note: - But I am not going to ask any dowry as I believe; if we marry a girl, then we should be capable of nourishing her, even without her fathers help!!! Luv Lalmon = Lalmon C kurian Senior Software Consultant. Infosys Technologies Ltd. Bangalore. Ph: 9845208884, 91-80-3474156. Visit: www.lalmon.com Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] me dowry and my cows!!! (ente mail No4)
hey guys! did you know that in south africa and some other southern african countries, there is somethng similar to the dowry system, except it is called "lobola" and it is not the girl who has to give for marriage, but the guy! :) and it is usually in terms of cows! it is a custom whereby cattle is given by the "boy" to the father of the bride as a "compensation" for the "loss" of his daughter! number of cattle will depend on her "marriageability". emphasis is also sometimes placed on the education of the prospective bride. sometimes the lobola can be other types of livestock like horses, but "modern" ppl often ask for money! The money received by the bride's family is used to help the young bride set up house. Lobola is also a gesture of gratitude on the part of groom's family for looking after and bringing up the young bride. this custom is firmly rooted in black society and so greatly valued for the protection it offers the bride. The modern usage of Lobola does not always have a happy outcome, however; there are many instances when families use Lobola to acquire money to pay their debt. Worse still, some men see women as "goods" that have been paid for. This creates a marital climate that is not conducive to trust and love. so there! dowry and lobola are part of particular cultures. i guess it is when they are not looked at wth the right attitude that they become an "evil". --- jose mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi .. u wondeful people.. it is me again... > (if any of u hav problems with me numbering the > mails > pl. tell me.. i will do something about it ok) > well i am fine here. thankx for all those mails u > sent me.. some of those mails made my eyes to be > filled with tears... > to be very honest i enjoy joy net more than ever > now. > (so those of u dont send mails to joy net start > sending now and enjoy it.. it is from my own > experience ho...) > well today i thought of adding something to the > discussion going on.. i.e dowry(hope this is the > right > spelling) i am soo poor at spelling. so do not > get > surprised if u find some strange words) > couple of months back some of my australian friends > asked me about the indian marriages. so i hav to > explain the concept of dowry to them. it was funny > to > see the feelings on their faces.(any way latter on > some of the guys told me that they r planning to > come > to india to get married! ) > then a week latter one of my friend came to me with > a > chapter from a sociology text book, telling me > something about the dowry system, its origin etc. i > found that it was a very early primitive tribal > practice, where often it was goods not money was > given > to the boy by girls parents. also the book said > mainly > animals were used as dowry viz, cows, goat etc. > as i was reading the matter my friend out of his > total > innocence asked me how much cows will i be getting > on > the day of my marriage!!!(latter on i realised that > he > missed the point when i told the group early that it > was money not goods in India) > so my advise for u guys is that care ful when u > demand > dowry.. u may become like Krishna of Hindu mythology > > chaising the cows all your life! > > > n.b:now when u come for my mariage do not look for > cows out side the church.. Ok > lov u all heaps > God bless you all > jos mathew australia > Send a newsletter, share photos & files, conduct > polls, organize chat events. Visit > http://in.groups.yahoo.com > > > This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth > mailing list. > To unsubscribe, send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To subscribe to this mailing list, visit > http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet > For automatic help, send a mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > In case of any issue related to the mailing list > contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Pray for me to take the right decision
Dear All! I need your prayers for me to take the right decision regarding a job opportunity. Its a good opportunity but I need to know that this is God's will for me to accept this job. I need to take a decision by Monday, so please keep me in your prayers! Love u all in Christ! God bless! Monisha Bombay Send your FREE holiday greetings online at Yahoo! Greetings. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
