[kicad-users] Kicad archive on Mac OS X
Hi, just a not about archiving projects on Mac. The command minizip could nt be found and I think that this is not the correct one on Mac OS X. An existing one is zip. Regards, Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen
[kicad-users] Compatibility of versions?
Hi, I have discovered some problems with hanging eeschema on Mac OS X (version 20090416) compared to 20080825c-final on ubuntu. (The ubuntu version was reported to me as working) If I open a subsheet eeschema hangs on some of these subsheets originally created at the ubuntu version. Also I have hangs while clicking on the symbols. Is this a well known bug? One could review this by checking out the project from svn: svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/gta02-core gta02-core After creating symlinks to the standard library the project will open without missing libraries. (mac:gta02-core lothar$ ln -s /Applications/Kicad/library/* .) As I have other projects without problems, I think the created libraries would have any bug. Is that possible? Also it may be a problem between the versions. Should the ubuntu version updated? I am using Mac OS X 10.5.2 (PPC) Thanks for any help or review, Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen
[kicad-users] FPGA design with KICAD?
Hi, I think, this is not the main intention of KICAD, but as of the availability of spice samples, is there also a way to use KICAD for FPGA design? Say, I would use a sub sheet to enter a group of logic to be placed into a FPGA (reduced set of symbols only) and a tool that translates the usual netlist into a VHDL file. A possible attempt may be supporting the 74XX series of IC's or some to most of them to be known in a translation tool based on the netlist. A barrier to the outer circuit (the pins of a FPGA) would be all these wires, contacting unsupported components, eg, they could not translated to be in a FPGA design, but in the outer area. Using the sub sheet would be a helper in separating FPGA related logic from the outer area. (I think I could not distinguish between signals on different sheets in a netlist, thus I don't see the pins that connects sheets) While this could be tried with the plain netlist, a netlist in XML format would be another option to enable various transformations. Is this possible? There are other tools available for this, but a first step entry with KICAD would be fine, as I work on Mac OS X and there are less EDA tools available (known by me). Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen
Re: [kicad-users] Something Complex Cool on KiCad
Am 30.04.2009 um 21:32 schrieb Tobias Gogolin: Wishing for a component I think is NOT the best solution. Just a mechanism for Sharing components would be good. So if I have a Library of components I want to share then I just click Share and that goes to the repository. If I would then want to search for a components I would search (from KiCad) in that repository. What I mean with 'wishing' components is more like 'how many like to have that component' to see which components one could create / publish. It is not meant barely, who makes me this component. This explicit wish is usually a paid service I think. So just get a glue, which components are required the most. And then even funded component creation could be done easy. I agree and congratulate on the uptake of these efforts! I also wonder how these remote components, (schematic symbols, padstacks, and 3D models) could be integrated with what is currently managed as Packages (I would almost prefer something like directory structures (user manageable) similar to Jar files)? There may be an interface for the plugin: a virtual library package remoteLibrary.xyz ? Aren't there cases that I search for a specific part with a specific housing - eg. DIL40 or PLCC44? If all the components are packaged into some 'library's, the network traffic would be very high :-) What about an interface that pulls a specific componet + the required package out of the 'web service' and delivers it as TGZ or what ever? I have created a small PDF file about my thinking of a database centric solution. The end product that will be carried around would be any format, because it could be packaged dynamically. Here is the file I uploaded: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/files/KICADDBLibMan.pdf With a database you could do much more things, eg. add vendor information, reseller information and even prices. When the database is at a public place, we will get very fast an overview, where we could get the cheapest parts for our BOM. (Simply issue an SQL query and enrich the BOM) I hope my ideas are not too crazy :-) Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen
Re: [kicad-users] Something Complex Cool on KiCad
Hi, this is very interesting :-) As of the schematics will be released, would there also released the more complex libraries created like the CPU? If these components get collected together, it would propably boost the usage of KICAD and also save time because the components created could be reused. I know there is a library site that lists existing components, but would it also cool to have a wish list and a list who is working at which library or component to be released? Also the list could be made database aware and an interface in KICAD could be made to update the local libraries with these in the database. So with a database the searching could become very powerful, like getting replacement components (if entered in the database). I have read a thread about wishing a web based sharing mechanism: From Tobias Gogolin 'Library parts sharing online ?' I could help with that when the following topics are met: * KICAD supports a plugin mechanism - or even the wxWidgets plugins * KICAD supports a reserved range of ID's for dynamically created event handlers * The KICAD project will create a database for it's project at sf * Database model will be entered via UML and therefore * Discussion about the database and functionality could be done with a real database (with a prototype I could provide from the UML model) * Missing prototype features like storing files in the database (BLOB's) will be developed to complete the prototype to make it usable for this When the prototype is ready and seems to be modelled regarding the requirements, code could be generated. The code then should fit into the plugin mechanism of KICAD or wxWidgets. A simple prototype could be created in minutes! Currently, code generation works for a simple PHP web application (P4A), wxWidgets based forms (hardcoded / XRC / DialogBlocks project), wxLua. XML is used with XSLT to generate code, thus it will be open to generate what you like :-) What do you think? Thanks Lothar Am 29.04.2009 um 23:07 schrieb Demetris: Hi everyone. We have been hearing allot about people wanting to see something complex made with KiCad so we thought of letting everyone know that all of our Gizmos are made in KiCad. The most Complex thing we ever done in this wonderful software is our latest project (scheduled to be released as a BETA in May 11 – 15) the FLOW. A complete Open Source PDA/Phone with Android, 3G, GPS and many more cool features. We are releasing the schematics piece by piece until we release the FLOW so check it out. Have in mind that ALL our Gizmos are made with KiCad so that should give an idea to the people beginning with Schematic design about what can actually be done with this software. You can find out more about the FLOW and other Gizmos we made atwww.gizmoforyou.com Yours truly, Demetris Z. (Community Moderator) -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] Re: About the PIC programmer circuit
Yes, that's what I mean. I searched for a program that matches to this programmer. I propably wanted to build one minimal version for the 16C84 chips to test, if they stilll work or broken. My orginal PICSTART-16B1 is propably broken or all my chips are broken. It is propably the first one :-) I tried that one: http://www.jdm.homepage.dk/newpic0.htm But it seems to not work on my laptop due to error messages I can't identify. (Running in DOS, not a windows CMD shell). Maybe the timing issues are also critical for the PIC programmer sample of KICAD. Now I think I'll choose the usbpicproc project. It's open source :-) http://usbpicprog.org/ Lothar Am 25.04.2009 um 00:43 schrieb Andy Eskelson: Lothar prob means software to drive the programmer. It's not a standard 232 transfer,r. I found this link which might work, but it needs checking out very carefully. It would be better if someone knows of some software that works with the demo board http://www.speedy-bl.com/pic16f8xx-e.htm Andy On Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:27:08 - Harold King Tarun haroldk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Lothar, Its a PIC programmer. You can use any compiled code you have to burn in to the chip. Cheers, Harold --- In kicad-users@yahoogroups.com, Lothar Behrens lothar.behr...@... wrote: Hi, is there anywhere source code that I can use with the circuit of the demo PIC programmer? Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo ! Groups Links -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] Re:KICAD success stories ?
Am 21.04.2009 um 15:53 schrieb Dick Hollenbeck: Here is my 6 layer ARM board with a couple of bga's (CPU and SDRAM Memory) http://dl.softplc.com/ds_Smartboard.pdf as an example. To do some of the fan out under the BGAs I added some through hole pins as part of the footprint. These through hole pins would share the same pin number as the ball pad, and then by adding the solder mask to the padstack for the through hole pins, they end up being pre-placed vias on the layout. Does this mean a feature like 'virtual components' with prerouted wires and vias will be possible? (Modularize a project by creating MCM components as KICAD modules) I don't know if this will be easy to map subsheets to such a 'component'. Maybe there is a mechanism to logically group together some chips and other parts to be in a 'MCM' module. But when thinking about a simple 7400 chip, it has sub circuits that could be placed separately, but it is still one component. Are there posts and ideas about 'subsheet as a component'? A board like this cannot be done without bridging to freerouter however. Without the push and shove manual routing it is impossible. I did not use the autorouting in freerouter, just manual routing. I personally don't trust autorouters :-) Thanks Lothar Dick -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] Sample video board 3D view - components missing?
Am 21.04.2009 um 16:05 schrieb mike: I think it is enabled. I can open the 3D view, but not showing the components, only the board and that is viewable at any angle in XYZ. Lothar On linux it's usually that you don't have an OpenGl enabled X- Windows driver. I imagine you might need something similar on the Mac as well. --Mike On Tuesday 21 April 2009 08:00:52 Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, I am currently trying out the version from 20090416 on my Mac (PPC). I have additionally downloaded the library and setup the path to it to avoid error messages when starting up eeschema. But what about the 3D models in the 3D viewer. What must I do to enable the view of the components in 3D? I have activated all layers in pcbnew before showing 3D. I think this was running out of the box on earlyer versions (on Windows at least). Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Mike Sharkey Pike Aerospace Research Corporation Sudbury, Ontario Canada http://www.pikeaero.com -BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) mQGiBEl3a9MRBACEd+RdECvKT+UWu1asgGGZDlQdjWr7W1Jx99sOy4VHkxx+ch4W RWAi8d5zqzf5Zpcy1a0qTtaHZrEnOFcHQHqDjQ2SQZHvI0AQjmLVSal1nA6aYgZA mZyR2XeiwkGRQB1hR4D6u+pDFoiycH7JbdJqMqdOdRi6x5V4ItwJOMN6/wCg6BZp sfa5Pww/xMvZZU+D+VnaGFkD+wXG23AgVn/Kj/nm8jK163efY7S9R8ezRQEhEbiw kzeZYwZfFBIVRNNf+ZJMj081V/nMRxsG8Perau/ZbaOmMLoX6zmD9ibA5QkBL/Fc jrmhodKpU3IYtujDDaGSrAdg5HM68XUwEQW/dxRphxmgLy+SWGcvO2WP/1QuHQ9m hIsTA/9MPze+UDdd3crFbI/gCCALuyvrY7ycuU1zA2AOSPuxkvw3EVGjizwxc7Ty YdwBWpEFcsQOeAEUnqWcNaeaUUAp5g02AGpHM1X0JGl+VFuBrICcG2MHQ0ygdEGj ueDJqrO7/iGPD0IdAAQ5/2LPmlBHLxPPjtJ3RrCkwWZZmDwH+rRGTWlrZSBTaGFy a2V5IChQaWtlIEFlcm9zcGFjZSBSZXNlYXJjaCBDb3Jwb3JhdGlvbikgPG1pa2VA cGlrZWFlcm8uY29tPohgBBMRAgAgBQJJd2vTAhsDBgsJCAcDAgQVAggDBBYCAwEC HgECF4AACgkQft9gRFdXee1RewCggkTryX8WRqHXuEfdNCH/OT6Z3rsAoLrDPaw5 e6WhZqeE3oc2Z5yEphz7uQINBEl3a9MQCADrRMnhZgyh9qSw4n4eS+S5g+DkwSdF fhhdAth1D8eZgG31VwWX5eLmpLPEVgmkiI2TcPykdLQht3YEEI2u0ZSAUxAk3u+j w5RMKx7es0aK8M7ukadFyQiFaZWMvWhxEGyFUwmQGPWGqbSy6fGZ3ker8RQYOGDl drw9p97d7F/F3va61GJypcIxyvk5enAKxT6JMPbeO3FVMhkOrj7lSWFudHlUp5lj ks88zpQabNCLGWc4iBJBGiouf+IFRS5v0rDKtn7WbmNhv0k2qfVVBJKr2xO9KSAi 9hc5RZV+Q8YVAPsByB7PVE7wdZCaDyLmhd1VhnI4X70ETgUfou9FP8zrAAMFB/9r OEspX/bybnUJiiGvGlUbugCQmiLkCRCfn2RP+sQyXoMkueDjui6zBoGkYcQ/P8x2 QaxokjeqrR7h9JuzmA8C3U3qkImfvTk7JnQ3M+CkzD72+fyrsTeLU2rRx435aJ3g oNiETUM95pW1QtNOLwHKyZVBR+4wvn/Jo3HcyNlg+TgN4AXvBLh9RL6n6ICjIVSC vZscdP+PSCfN4C+ueU036zeiy4KVP+YQDusi97dn2+DY5oIS8qUXhte8jQdSbQ4w rPmOXcpid34+GLcn5jmBizCu1M867/UxEUfiIknk5dKal4B/enGawWvu3TWJ3tHP YX5VWEvq9XsPMreDzU+XiEkEGBECAAkFAkl3a9MCGwwACgkQft9gRFdXee2GYwCg sBQjrzU+smUNYPPdpzmETCykvaUAn1pUaljXvO/BkSgfhWvvo9MT8nK6 =jxur -END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK- -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Thanks. If comparing the Samsung 2442 chip pin distance of 0.8 millimeter, creating a module in KICAD would be doable. (http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf) Here are the other components that are used in the FreeRunner: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware Especially the flash memory seems not clear to me (the fbga pin diameter of 0.0138 inch (b) and distance of 0.0295 inch (e) as of http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf The other components must be reviewed too, but this seems to be a house mark of package density :-) So I ask especially for designs using such fbga parts. Lothar Am 20.04.2009 um 18:56 schrieb Dave - WB6DHW: Lothar: I use KICAD to design all of my boards. They vary from DIP parts down to fine pitch (.020 pitch) parts. A PDF of the schematic and board layout for each of my boards is available on my website. Dave - WB6DHW http://wb6dhw.com Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] Absolute and relative Path
Short solution would be a subst to a virtual drive. Thus moving the contents only requires to change the subst command. I work with that any time on Windows for my projects (programming) and it also works at least with CVS managed projects. Lothar Am 20.04.2009 um 22:47 schrieb cklckl67: Dear all, Is there a possibility to work with relative directory in Kicad. In fact, in some cases it works very fine, in other not. For example, to add my libraries to my project, I modified my project file like following. [eeschema/libraries] LibName1=../lib/power.lib LibName2=../lib/regul.lib ... [cvpcb/libraries] EquName1=../modules/devcms ... [pcbnew/libraries] LibDir= LibName1=../modules/connect.mod ... And it's work fine. Nevertheless in libedit, when I specify a relative link for a component document, it doesn't work. Eeach time, Kicad tries to open the missing document under Kicad directory. Same case for 3D component models in the Module editor. I have to set the complete path, in the other case it doesn't work. This works C:/Documents and Settings/Christian.GRIS/Mes documents/papsi/trunk/ schemas PCB/modules/packages3d/ssop-28_dip-28_w300.wrl This doesn't work ../modules/packages3d/ssop-28_dip-28_w300.wrl Thanks in advance for your help and information Christian PS: Kicad is a super super great tool. A great thank you to the developer and the help staff to maintain this hight quality free tool -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] KICAD success stories ?
Am 20.04.2009 um 20:34 schrieb Steve Weigold: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Dave - WB6DHW brain...@wildblue.netwrote: Lothar Behrens wrote: Hi, is there any resource for success stories about using KICAD? Not only what company but also what circuit / application and what package density / types used. I am asking again, because I would wish to see some projects about targeting mobile phone / smart phone or PDA like complexity. (Especially those parts used in OpenMoko 1973 / FreeRunner) Thanks Lothar . Lothar, I'm not sure what type of stories you are looking for. I'm a first time user. Previous board experience with PADS. I just completed a 6 layer (4 routing, power, ground) board approx 3.5 x 3.75. PC104 connector, dual row IDC connector, 240 QFP FPGA, 2 144 pin QFP devices and an assortment of 0805 resistors, capacitors and smaller parts. Hand routed, 800 or so holes... Fairly dense. Waiting on the board to ship now. Generally very pleased with the experience. I am doing a small research if KICAD will be capable to create boards with 8 or more layers using high density components like FBGA parts. It's about a mobile phone / smart phone from OpenMoko, that now will be further developed in a comunity. As I remember if I am right they used Mentor PADS if that is what you mentioned. For a comunity it should better be an open source tool than a closed source. That's why I am asking for success stories or simply stating 'we using KICAD for our project X containing these parts: As in my other post: http://www.opatnet.cz/elektronika/datasheet/U/um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf and http://www.numonyx.com/Documents/Datasheets/M58WRxxxKTB.pdf The main samples yet didn't show up any ball grid array housings, what I am interested in, but it shows that there are created boards that are to be selled. Also I saw applications up into the HF area to 1.3 GHz. BTW, if anyone is interested in participating in smartphone development, please welcome to the mailing list (gt...@lists.openmoko.org ) Lothar Steve -- | Rapid Prototyping | XSLT Codegeneration | http://www.lollisoft.de Lothar Behrens Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 73252 Lenningen Please read the Kicad FAQ in the group files section before posting your question. Please post your bug reports here. They will be picked up by the creator of Kicad. Please visit http://www.kicadlib.org for details of how to contribute your symbols/modules to the kicad library. For building Kicad from source and other development questions visit the kicad-devel group at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-develYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kicad-users/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:kicad-users-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:kicad-users-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: kicad-users-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [kicad-users] ProE igs file import ? (also Openmoko CAD and Schematics files)
Am 21.08.2008 um 01:30 schrieb Michael Shiloh: Hi Lothar, I tried the pre-compiled version of freeCAD and it worked fine. It seems that the program isn't feature complete, but I was able to open our CAD files and to rotate our parts in 3D space. Unfortunately my knowledge of CAD programs is about zero so I didn't really know what else to try. I'm pretty sure that the IGES files are only the housing and internal plastic bits, but not the components on the PC board. The schematics are indeed PDF only so far, but I will see if we can provide them in kiCAD format as well (whatever that is - I'm brand new here). The schematics include a page showing the component placement and I think the footprint, but not the 3D shape. Some questions I have for you: How mature is KiCad? How does it compare feature-wise to say Qcad or Eagle (apart from being FOSS)? How well stocked is the library? Michael . Hi Michael, I cannot say anithing about it's matureness, but it runs very stable I think. I use it yet only for hobby layout. Currently I am more involved in programming with my own project that you could see on my homepage. I came from Target v3 which only was available at Windows. KICAD runs on Mac OS X and Linux too. There is a sample PCI video grabber board with 4 layers + 2 power supply layers I think. It is as complex as FR I think. I'll try to build the current version for Mac OS X, as of I haven't yet got it anywhere. The matureness could either be tested by the openmoko comunity and propably reported from the other members here - please report :-) Lothar -- Lothar Behrens |Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 |XSLT Codegeneration 73252 Lenningen |www.lollisoft.de
Re: [kicad-users] Re:ProE igs file import ?
Am Mittwoch, den 20.08.2008, 10:15 -0700 schrieb michael shiloh: Hi Lothar, Dick, I just joined this mailing list because I work at Openmoko and I want to know what FOSS is available for working with our CAD files and our schematics. I would also like to hear your collective advice and comments, since you are clearly the experts in this field. Currently the schematics are available only as PDF, but I imagine we would be willing to export them in a machine readable form. (The schematics, by the way, are simply in http://downloads.openmoko.org/schematics/) Hi Michael, I have tried the FreeCAD software to have a review to the CAD files. It was reported in the openmoko list that it will be usable. But I tried to compile the code. I have posted on their list a question to get compiled the code on Debian PPC. Here it would be interesting, if the schematics get converted, it also would be interesting to get anyhow the CAD files converted to be used with the KICAD 3D application. I hope there is more in the igs than only the housing drawings. I mean it would be good if the part's on the board used are in 3D available too. Lothar
Re: [kicad-users] kicad and MacOSX, mouse problems
Hi, I have had the same problem. The code is compiled as Mac OS X Classic application. Please follow my instructions on lothar.dnsalias.net/wordpress There I have written a description how to build application bundles. Regards Am 13.05.2007 um 12:52 schrieb yussonfr: Hi I managed to install the MacOSX version of kicad in the /usr/local/ directory. I can start the programs but once the program window has appeared I cannot interact with it, it seems that the window ignore all the mouse events. I cannot move the window, resize it or click any widgets... The only widget that responds to the mouse clicks is the close window widget Can someone give me a clue ? -- Lothar Behrens | Rapid Prototyping ... Heinrich-Scheufelen-Platz 2 | 73252 Lenningen | www.lollisoft.de
