KR> AS504x wing skins
I just finished reading the airfoil section you cited. Thank you, very helpful. And great to know that such collaborative development has taken place, with great results. Exactly what the Experimental Certification was designed for. > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:44:40 -0600 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> AS504x wing skins > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > And I should mention that Steve Glover at nvAero has spent a lot of time > and money making a set of molds to build wingskins for the new airfoil, > so thanks to him, you can now buy a set of skins if you don't want to > build them. They are primarily for the 2S, I think, another reason to > start with a 2S and skinny it down to KR1 width (or wider). > > I said earlier it would need more rudder than the KR1 plans, but meant > to say "vertical stab and rudder", not just rudder. > > Mark Langford > ML at N56ML.com > http://www.n56ml.com > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> First flight of the year
GREAT VID > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 18:16:26 -0500 > To: eduardo at kr2-egb.com.ar; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> First flight of the year > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > That's what it's all about. I can't wait to take my grand kids up. I'll be > take young eagle's up this weekend in the C172 that I fly. > > Paul Visk > Belleville Il > 618-406-4705 > > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. > > Original message From: Eduardo Barros via > KRnet Date:01/14/2015 10:24 AM > (GMT-05:00) To: KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> First flight of the year > My first flight of the year, 1/11/2015 > > with my oldest 12 year old son, Juan Eduardo, we flew to San Nicolas, Buenos > Aires landing and come back to San Pedro, the flight was 50 minutes on very > hot day, 95? f out and 101? f into the cockpit > San Pedro landing was at 1470 feet over the soft runway (grass), in San > Nicolas was at 990 feet with a density altitude of 2170 feet. > the climb was very soft to keep oil temperature below 248? f, the cruiser to > 1500 feet was comfortable if we forget the heat. > > you can see a video of flight here: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv8x8p5JXg0 > Saludos > > Eduardo Barros > San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina > > Mail: eduardo at kr2-egb.com.ar > Visite el proyecto de construcci?n del avi?n experimental "Kr2 EGB": > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> First flight of the year
That's what it's all about. ?I can't wait to take my grand kids up. I'll be take young eagle's up this weekend in the C172 that I fly.? Paul Visk Belleville Il 618-406-4705 Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S?4. Original message From: Eduardo Barros via KRnet Date:01/14/2015 10:24 AM (GMT-05:00) To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> First flight of the year My first flight of the year, 1/11/2015 with my oldest 12 year old son, Juan Eduardo, we flew to San Nicolas, Buenos Aires landing and come back to San Pedro, the flight was 50 minutes on very hot day, 95? f out and 101? f into the cockpit San Pedro landing was at 1470 feet over the soft runway (grass), in San Nicolas was at 990 feet with a density altitude of 2170 feet. the climb was very soft to keep oil temperature below 248? f, the cruiser to 1500 feet was comfortable if we forget the heat. you can see a video of flight here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv8x8p5JXg0 Saludos Eduardo Barros San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina Mail: eduardo at kr2-egb.com.ar Visite el proyecto de construcci?n del avi?n experimental "Kr2 EGB": ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> NVAero KR1 fuselage kit?
what new airfoil? > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:23:13 -0500 > To: krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: KR> NVAero KR1 fuselage kit? > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > I like making things myself. The KR airplane is so simple that I don't > think you need any parts that are prefab. I certainly wouldn't buy the > skins > as the new KR airfoil would be faster anyway. Landing gear is easy to > make. Wheels and brakes...maybe Tracy Obrien or find someone who has some > to > sell. Canopy can be made yourself or a canopy from something else cut to > fit or even made by a custom canopy builder. Wing attach fittings.I > have > drill press. I am sure Ken Rand never had someone build these parts for > the prototype. Control sticksuper easy parts to make. The beauty of a > KR is like Burger King..have it your way. No two KRs should look alike > and for the most part they don't. Custom built aircraft and the minds > that build them are beautiful. > > Kevin Golden > > > > > > In a message dated 1/14/2015 1:43:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, > krnet at list.krnet.org writes: > > I looked over the very nice nvaero site. It appears that there is not a > fuselage wood or fiberglass kit for the KR1. (not popular?) so I guess that > means plans build. > It is great that the wing skins, landing gear/wheels/brakes, canopy, wing > attach fittings, control stick, are avail. > What about the control surface hardware and rigging? I'm guessing whats > not compatible (if anything) from the KR2 would be off the shelf at aircraft > spruce. > In fact, if we didnt have nvaero, I wonder if the entire plane could be > plans built? (would have to solve the canopy problem, and fabricate landing > gear). > Also, one wonders WHY do the plans "may have extended lead times" > nvaero is GREAT to have though :) > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> NVAero KR1 fuselage kit?
I like making things myself. The KR airplane is so simple that I don't think you need any parts that are prefab. I certainly wouldn't buy the skins as the new KR airfoil would be faster anyway. Landing gear is easy to make. Wheels and brakes...maybe Tracy Obrien or find someone who has some to sell. Canopy can be made yourself or a canopy from something else cut to fit or even made by a custom canopy builder. Wing attach fittings.I have drill press. I am sure Ken Rand never had someone build these parts for the prototype. Control sticksuper easy parts to make. The beauty of a KR is like Burger King..have it your way. No two KRs should look alike and for the most part they don't. Custom built aircraft and the minds that build them are beautiful. Kevin Golden In a message dated 1/14/2015 1:43:19 P.M. Central Standard Time, krnet at list.krnet.org writes: I looked over the very nice nvaero site. It appears that there is not a fuselage wood or fiberglass kit for the KR1. (not popular?) so I guess that means plans build. It is great that the wing skins, landing gear/wheels/brakes, canopy, wing attach fittings, control stick, are avail. What about the control surface hardware and rigging? I'm guessing whats not compatible (if anything) from the KR2 would be off the shelf at aircraft spruce. In fact, if we didnt have nvaero, I wonder if the entire plane could be plans built? (would have to solve the canopy problem, and fabricate landing gear). Also, one wonders WHY do the plans "may have extended lead times" nvaero is GREAT to have though :) ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> AS504x wing skins
And I should mention that Steve Glover at nvAero has spent a lot of time and money making a set of molds to build wingskins for the new airfoil, so thanks to him, you can now buy a set of skins if you don't want to build them. They are primarily for the 2S, I think, another reason to start with a 2S and skinny it down to KR1 width (or wider). I said earlier it would need more rudder than the KR1 plans, but meant to say "vertical stab and rudder", not just rudder. Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
KR> NVAero KR1 fuselage kit?
Chris Prata wrote > what new airfoil? See http://www.krnet.org/as504x/ for details on the new airfoil, complete with free template download. This will work fine on a KR1 also. There's a lot of other great info to get you started at http://www.krnet.org, so please take a while to look through it... Mark Langford ML at N56ML.com http://www.n56ml.com
KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers
somehow this message tripled. sorry... From: chrisprata at live.com To: krnet at list.krnet.org Subject: RE: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 16:24:20 -0500 H, is there room betyween the prop disc, and the ailerons, on a KR1? I also wonder what a split condition would do, could the ailerons overcome that? As to the jets using them after touchdown, apparently they also use them in flight. I found a youtube video of that, passenger was filing the wing, and the spoilers came up at the back of the wing. The plane was rumbling a bit. Must have been to slow down? Also, the B52 Bomber "America's diplomat in the skies" uses spoilers instead of ailerons, IIRC. > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:43:50 -0800 > To: flesner at frontier.com; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > HI Larry, > > Not sure what you mean by "the KR is not a design that call for spoilers"? > They definitely kill LIFT which takes care of the "floating problem" of the > KR.. They would work on any airplane when placed in the proper location. > > I've got several Moni motorgliders which utilize them and they will float > like a KR if you don't use them. Originally a set of doors were installed on > both sides of the main wheel pant, but the most it did was cause a nose down > pitch attitude. Spoilers were the solution. > > If you're using spoilers, you don't have to "point the nose down to dirty up > the air flow".. They will stop the wing from "flying" very effectively. In > a lot of cases you actually have to keep power in to cut down on the descent > rate to keep the plane flying. > > I know there are other homebuilt designs using spoilers. One type raises up > out of the wing like a pair of scissors. The ones on my airplanes deploy > like a belly board except they are on top of the wing. You don't need very > big ones to kill the lift. Normally installed outside the prop diameter in > the root portion of the wing for best lift killing.. > > All these designs work well. You just need to figure out which one you want > to use, how easy they are to build/install and enjoy! > > Just my .02. > > Ron > > > On Tue, 1/13/15, Flesner via KRnet wrote: > > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > To: "KRnet" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:11 PM > > +++ > > Spoilers are used primarily on gliders to kill excess lift > in order > to steepen the approach to landing and also on large > commercial > aircraft to kill lift after touchdown to transfer the weight > to the > landing gear. The KR is not a design that call for > spoilers. The > only shortfall, if you can consider it a shortfall, is the > need for > deployable drag in the landing approach. It is a very > slick design > that makes speed control in landing a bit > tricky. It will also > float after the flare if too much speed is carried on the > approach. > > Effective flaps or a speed brake are both proven solutions > to speed > control on landings. The speed brake is probably the > simplest to > build but effective flaps may offer other benefits beyond > simply > adding drag. If you're building to fly, go with what's > proven. If > you want to experiment and try new things, go for > it. > > Larry Flesner > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > to change options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers
H, is there room betyween the prop disc, and the ailerons, on a KR1? I also wonder what a split condition would do, could the ailerons overcome that? As to the jets using them after touchdown, apparently they also use them in flight. I found a youtube video of that, passenger was filing the wing, and the spoilers came up at the back of the wing. The plane was rumbling a bit. Must have been to slow down? Also, the B52 Bomber "America's diplomat in the skies" uses spoilers instead of ailerons, IIRC. > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:43:50 -0800 > To: flesner at frontier.com; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > HI Larry, > > Not sure what you mean by "the KR is not a design that call for spoilers"? > They definitely kill LIFT which takes care of the "floating problem" of the > KR.. They would work on any airplane when placed in the proper location. > > I've got several Moni motorgliders which utilize them and they will float > like a KR if you don't use them. Originally a set of doors were installed on > both sides of the main wheel pant, but the most it did was cause a nose down > pitch attitude. Spoilers were the solution. > > If you're using spoilers, you don't have to "point the nose down to dirty up > the air flow".. They will stop the wing from "flying" very effectively. In > a lot of cases you actually have to keep power in to cut down on the descent > rate to keep the plane flying. > > I know there are other homebuilt designs using spoilers. One type raises up > out of the wing like a pair of scissors. The ones on my airplanes deploy > like a belly board except they are on top of the wing. You don't need very > big ones to kill the lift. Normally installed outside the prop diameter in > the root portion of the wing for best lift killing.. > > All these designs work well. You just need to figure out which one you want > to use, how easy they are to build/install and enjoy! > > Just my .02. > > Ron > > > On Tue, 1/13/15, Flesner via KRnet wrote: > > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > To: "KRnet" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:11 PM > > +++ > > Spoilers are used primarily on gliders to kill excess lift > in order > to steepen the approach to landing and also on large > commercial > aircraft to kill lift after touchdown to transfer the weight > to the > landing gear. The KR is not a design that call for > spoilers. The > only shortfall, if you can consider it a shortfall, is the > need for > deployable drag in the landing approach. It is a very > slick design > that makes speed control in landing a bit > tricky. It will also > float after the flare if too much speed is carried on the > approach. > > Effective flaps or a speed brake are both proven solutions > to speed > control on landings. The speed brake is probably the > simplest to > build but effective flaps may offer other benefits beyond > simply > adding drag. If you're building to fly, go with what's > proven. If > you want to experiment and try new things, go for > it. > > Larry Flesner > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > to change options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers
H, is there room betyween the prop disc, and the ailerons, on a KR1? I also wonder what a split condition would do, could the ailerons overcome that? As to the jets using them after touchdown, apparently they also use them in flight. I found a youtube video of that, passenger was filing the wing, and the spoilers came up at the back of the wing. The plane was rumbling a bit. Must have been to slow down? Also, the B52 Bomber "America's diplomat in the skies" uses spoilers instead of ailerons, IIRC. > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:43:50 -0800 > To: flesner at frontier.com; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > HI Larry, > > Not sure what you mean by "the KR is not a design that call for spoilers"? > They definitely kill LIFT which takes care of the "floating problem" of the > KR.. They would work on any airplane when placed in the proper location. > > I've got several Moni motorgliders which utilize them and they will float > like a KR if you don't use them. Originally a set of doors were installed on > both sides of the main wheel pant, but the most it did was cause a nose down > pitch attitude. Spoilers were the solution. > > If you're using spoilers, you don't have to "point the nose down to dirty up > the air flow".. They will stop the wing from "flying" very effectively. In > a lot of cases you actually have to keep power in to cut down on the descent > rate to keep the plane flying. > > I know there are other homebuilt designs using spoilers. One type raises up > out of the wing like a pair of scissors. The ones on my airplanes deploy > like a belly board except they are on top of the wing. You don't need very > big ones to kill the lift. Normally installed outside the prop diameter in > the root portion of the wing for best lift killing.. > > All these designs work well. You just need to figure out which one you want > to use, how easy they are to build/install and enjoy! > > Just my .02. > > Ron > > > On Tue, 1/13/15, Flesner via KRnet wrote: > > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > To: "KRnet" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:11 PM > > +++ > > Spoilers are used primarily on gliders to kill excess lift > in order > to steepen the approach to landing and also on large > commercial > aircraft to kill lift after touchdown to transfer the weight > to the > landing gear. The KR is not a design that call for > spoilers. The > only shortfall, if you can consider it a shortfall, is the > need for > deployable drag in the landing approach. It is a very > slick design > that makes speed control in landing a bit > tricky. It will also > float after the flare if too much speed is carried on the > approach. > > Effective flaps or a speed brake are both proven solutions > to speed > control on landings. The speed brake is probably the > simplest to > build but effective flaps may offer other benefits beyond > simply > adding drag. If you're building to fly, go with what's > proven. If > you want to experiment and try new things, go for > it. > > Larry Flesner > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > to change options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers
H, is there room betyween the prop disc, and the ailerons, on a KR1? I also wonder what a split condition would do, could the ailerons overcome that? As to the jets using them after touchdown, apparently they also use them in flight. I found a youtube video of that, passenger was filing the wing, and the spoilers came up at the back of the wing. The plane was rumbling a bit. Must have been to slow down? Also, the B52 Bomber "America's diplomat in the skies" uses spoilers instead of ailerons, IIRC. > Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 12:43:50 -0800 > To: flesner at frontier.com; krnet at list.krnet.org > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > From: krnet at list.krnet.org > > HI Larry, > > Not sure what you mean by "the KR is not a design that call for spoilers"? > They definitely kill LIFT which takes care of the "floating problem" of the > KR.. They would work on any airplane when placed in the proper location. > > I've got several Moni motorgliders which utilize them and they will float > like a KR if you don't use them. Originally a set of doors were installed on > both sides of the main wheel pant, but the most it did was cause a nose down > pitch attitude. Spoilers were the solution. > > If you're using spoilers, you don't have to "point the nose down to dirty up > the air flow".. They will stop the wing from "flying" very effectively. In > a lot of cases you actually have to keep power in to cut down on the descent > rate to keep the plane flying. > > I know there are other homebuilt designs using spoilers. One type raises up > out of the wing like a pair of scissors. The ones on my airplanes deploy > like a belly board except they are on top of the wing. You don't need very > big ones to kill the lift. Normally installed outside the prop diameter in > the root portion of the wing for best lift killing.. > > All these designs work well. You just need to figure out which one you want > to use, how easy they are to build/install and enjoy! > > Just my .02. > > Ron > > > On Tue, 1/13/15, Flesner via KRnet wrote: > > Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers > To: "KRnet" > Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:11 PM > > +++ > > Spoilers are used primarily on gliders to kill excess lift > in order > to steepen the approach to landing and also on large > commercial > aircraft to kill lift after touchdown to transfer the weight > to the > landing gear. The KR is not a design that call for > spoilers. The > only shortfall, if you can consider it a shortfall, is the > need for > deployable drag in the landing approach. It is a very > slick design > that makes speed control in landing a bit > tricky. It will also > float after the flare if too much speed is carried on the > approach. > > Effective flaps or a speed brake are both proven solutions > to speed > control on landings. The speed brake is probably the > simplest to > build but effective flaps may offer other benefits beyond > simply > adding drag. If you're building to fly, go with what's > proven. If > you want to experiment and try new things, go for > it. > > Larry Flesner > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at > http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org > to change options > > > ___ > Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. > To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org > please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html > see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change > options
KR> NVAero KR1 fuselage kit?
I looked over the very nice nvaero site. It appears that there is not a fuselage wood or fiberglass kit for the KR1. (not popular?) so I guess that means plans build. It is great that the wing skins, landing gear/wheels/brakes, canopy, wing attach fittings, control stick, are avail. What about the control surface hardware and rigging? I'm guessing whats not compatible (if anything) from the KR2 would be off the shelf at aircraft spruce. In fact, if we didnt have nvaero, I wonder if the entire plane could be plans built? (would have to solve the canopy problem, and fabricate landing gear). Also, one wonders WHY do the plans "may have extended lead times" nvaero is GREAT to have though :)
KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers
HI Larry, Not sure what you mean by "the KR is not a design that call for spoilers"? They definitely kill LIFT which takes care of the "floating problem" of the KR.. They would work on any airplane when placed in the proper location. I've got several Moni motorgliders which utilize them and they will float like a KR if you don't use them. Originally a set of doors were installed on both sides of the main wheel pant, but the most it did was cause a nose down pitch attitude. Spoilers were the solution. If you're using spoilers, you don't have to "point the nose down to dirty up the air flow".. They will stop the wing from "flying" very effectively. In a lot of cases you actually have to keep power in to cut down on the descent rate to keep the plane flying. I know there are other homebuilt designs using spoilers. One type raises up out of the wing like a pair of scissors. The ones on my airplanes deploy like a belly board except they are on top of the wing. You don't need very big ones to kill the lift. Normally installed outside the prop diameter in the root portion of the wing for best lift killing.. All these designs work well. You just need to figure out which one you want to use, how easy they are to build/install and enjoy! Just my .02. Ron On Tue, 1/13/15, Flesner via KRnet wrote: Subject: Re: KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers To: "KRnet" Date: Tuesday, January 13, 2015, 6:11 PM +++ Spoilers are used primarily on gliders to kill excess lift in order to steepen the approach to landing and also on large commercial aircraft to kill lift after touchdown to transfer the weight to the landing gear.? The KR is not a design that call for spoilers.? The only shortfall, if you can consider it a shortfall, is the need for deployable drag in the landing approach.? It is a very slick design that makes speed control in landing? a bit tricky.? It will also float after the flare if too much speed is carried on the approach. Effective flaps or a speed brake are both proven solutions to speed control on landings.? The speed brake is probably the simplest to build but effective flaps may offer other benefits beyond simply adding drag.? If you're building to fly, go with what's proven.? If you want to experiment and try new things, go for it. Larry Flesner ___ Search the KRnet Archives at http://tugantek.com/archmailv2-kr/search. To UNsubscribe from KRnet, send a message to KRnet-leave at list.krnet.org please see other KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html see http://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet_list.krnet.org to change options
KR> First flight of the year
My first flight of the year, 1/11/2015 with my oldest 12 year old son, Juan Eduardo, we flew to San Nicolas, Buenos Aires landing and come back to San Pedro, the flight was 50 minutes on very hot day, 95? f out and 101? f into the cockpit San Pedro landing was at 1470 feet over the soft runway (grass), in San Nicolas was at 990 feet with a density altitude of 2170 feet. the climb was very soft to keep oil temperature below 248? f, the cruiser to 1500 feet was comfortable if we forget the heat. you can see a video of flight here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bv8x8p5JXg0 Saludos Eduardo Barros San Pedro, Bs. As., Argentina Mail: eduardo at kr2-egb.com.ar Visite el proyecto de construcci?n del avi?n experimental "Kr2 EGB":
KR> yet another
my ISP put in a new spam filter, I think I've got it sorted out test
KR> Jabiru 2200 - KR1
Chris Prata wrote: >>I believe that a KR1 with the 85HP Jab and the Diehl wing skins at full length, would cruise far and climb fast, and stall slow enough to be LSA. The Jab weighs 140LBS, which I believe is less than a Revmaster type VW and prob about the same as a minimal VW engine.<< I would highly recommend that you extend the tail on the KR1 to improve stability and reduce pitch sensitivity, especially if adding more wing area like Diehl skins. One more bay would help, but I'd go for two, along with more rudder and horizontal stab. A larger rudder will improve spin recovery also. Might as well start with KR2S plans and narrow it down. We had that conversation last week, so check the archive. A typical VW is closer to 160 pounds. I plan to build something similar, but with Corvair power... Mark Langford, Harvest, AL ML at N56ML.com www.N56ML.com
KR> another test
tryin to see if my Thunderbird is doing it or ?
KR> Flaps versus belly board versus spoilers
http://krbuilder.org/BellyBoard/index.html Best thing I ever did for my KR. Don't leave home without it. See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - Then click on the pics? 2015 KR Gathering - McMinnville, OR. September 3 - 6 -- See U There. Peoples Choice at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best KR at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Paint at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Firwwall Forward at 2013 - KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il ? MVN Best Interior and Panel at 2008 ? KR Gathering in Mt. Vernon, Il - MVN Daniel R. Heath -?Lexington, SC -Original Message- are there spoilers in use on any KR? any pictures? experiences?
KR> Jabiru 2200 - KR1
Couple things, I have a Jab 2200 on my current plane (Avid Mk4). I was thinking of selling the avid and purchasing everything needed to build a KR1 with the proceeds. One of my EAA buddies remarked "no one builds those anymore". To me, that means nothing. The KR has great looks, performance, and ease-of-build. I found a page somewhere that had numerous single seat planes that were supposedly "better", but none looked as good, or had the features. I believe that a KR1 with the 85HP Jab and the Diehl wing skins at full length, would cruise far and climb fast, and stall slow enough to be LSA. The Jab weighs 140LBS, which I believe is less than a Revmaster type VW and prob about the same as a minimal VW engine. I wonder what engines have been used on the KR1 though. It seems there are so many more KR2's, for example youtube has almost no KR1 vids, which is too bad... It also would be great to know if any KR1's are flying with the Diehl wing skins not cut down, and what the climb and stall speeds are. One other thing I wonder about is how well they recover from a spin. (If thats an issue I'd just put a BRS on it, or wear my emerg chute)
