Re: KRnet> Building the exhaust
JC, welcome to the group. Just for clarity... the airplane in the back looks like a KR2 and not a KR1 by looks of the cowling and canopy, am I correct. Either way, I look forward to seeing you make progress to your project. Best regards Luis On Saturday, November 2, 2024 at 01:05:57 PM CDT, victor taylor via KRnet wrote: Hello KR group, I’m not sure if anyone is interested but I’m currently building the exhaust for my motor. I had the engine mounted and lined up but then pulled the motor off with the engine mount to fabricate the exhaust. Here’s a couple of photos to show how. No exhaust yet but lined up. I put a board across the bottom engine mount points to simulate the bottom of the firewall. Then I held the collector in place with scrap wood and tape. After that I started piecing the pipes together. After I have it all fabricated the welder will finish the welding. I’ll complete the bottom baffling, carb and cabin heat, and intake with filter while it’s inverted on the bench. Then bolt it back on the firewall. Stainless is EXPENSIVE! I’ll have $1,100 in the exhaust when done in materials alone. It is what it is though. I really want this plane finished. Victor Taylor-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Meeting Passcode?
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Re: KRnet> Not home yet...
You da man... Scott. Glad your airplane is returning to normalThanks for everything... Luis On Tuesday, September 17, 2024 at 06:03:37 PM CDT, Jeff Scott via KRnet wrote: I finally got the RV home today. The only casualty to the internal soaking was the iFly GPS went Tango Uniform. Oddly enough, that's the one piece of electronics that didn't get wet directly. I've got it drying out in the hangar, but the touch screen no longer responds to touch. I also had a high fuel pressure warning on the engine monitor, but my analog gauge indicated all was normal. That was tracked to a "protective" sleeve over the 4 wires from the transducer that got wet inside. As soon as I removed the sleeve, the fuel pressure readings returned to normal. The new radios were fogged over inside the display, as were my gyros, but all worked well and have since dried out. I spent this afternoon redesigning and replacing the weatherstrip seals on the canopy and the boot cowl access hatch, both of which leaked rather badly. The plane is in the hangar with the canopy open and a fan blowing air around the cockpit and up through the panel. I'll post some photos from the ride home on the FB site. Fascinating weather to fly in. -Jeff ScottArkansas Ozarks Sent: Monday, September 16, 2024 at 7:46 PM From: "Adam Deem via KRnet" To: "KRnet" Cc: "Adam Deem" Subject: Re: KRnet> Not home yet...Jeff, I hope all the electronics come out okay. A portable dehumidifier or a few days of airing out in dry weather might help, before attempting to smoke check the systems… Adam On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 8:40 PM Jeff Scott via KRnet wrote: Other than Zack, I had the shortest trip home. I got within 15 miles of home before I had to turn back and land 50 miles north of home. I made two more attempts during the day yesterday before tying the plane down out in the weather and calling for a ride home. We had IFR conditions and steady rain for 36 hours, finally clearing this evening. I'll go retrieve the RV in the morning. With all the rain, I discovered a lot of water leaks that I'll need to address. In the mean time, I have about $8000 worth of water soaked electronics that I sure hope I didn't kill. Had I have been about 30 minutes earlier, I would have been home. -Jeff Scott Arkansas Ozarks -- Sent with GMX Mail app-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Gathering
Chris, it was really a pleasure to visit and hangout with you at the camping grounds. Love what you did with your airplane and the stories... see you next year... Luis On Monday, September 16, 2024 at 11:52:18 AM CDT, wrote: Thankful for your safety on such a long flight. It certainly was great to visit with all of you folks. I made it home yesterday in time for dinner. 12.7hours of flying with two fuel stops. I had a great time seeingeveryone. Can't wait for next year. Chris Pryce -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Post you're Going Home Reports Here
Dr Hsu and I left right after the dinner and ceremonies, we traveled all night (Co-pilot slept most of the way). We arrived in Dallas sometime around 8 am. We visited my KR so that Dr Hsu could see it and ask questions (boy did he...). He texted me several hours later reporting that he had arrived safely at his home in Houston. All is well Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Memorializing 2018 gathering
For those that were unable to attend the 2024 Gathering, I asked and got permission from Larry Flesner if I could re-post the video of Larry singing several of his iconic songs which includes my very favorite " No need to cry when I'm gone..." I wanted to memorialize this particular gathering as I consider it one of the best having watched most of the videos posted about our events. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Thank you, Larry for the years of service to this great aviation community. Luis R ClaudioN8981S KR2SDallas, Texas 2018 KR Gathering Mt Vernon, IL (youtube.com) | | | | | | | | | | | 2018 KR Gathering Mt Vernon, IL | | | -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Memorializing our 2018 Gathering
For those that were unable to attend the 2024 Gathering, I ask and got permission from Larry Flesner if I could re-post the video of Larry singing several of his iconic songs which includes my very favorite " No need to cry when I'm gone..." I wanted to memorialize this particular gathering as I consider it as one of the best having watched most of the videos posted about our events. I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. Thank you Larry for the years of service to this great aviation community. Luis R ClaudioN8981S KR2SDallas, Texas-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> KR Gathering
Adam, I think we surely would have enjoyed that, we had plenty of free time since a few of our presenters could not make it due to weather. We will be returning to KMVN again next year, you can start planning your visit now... Best regards Luis R Claudio On Thursday, September 12, 2024 at 06:04:19 PM CDT, Adam Deem via KRnet wrote: Howdy KR folks, I was planning to fly out to Mt. Vernon early in the morning tomorrow and stay though the weekend, but it looks like the weather there is going to be beyond the KRs capabilities, and my solid IFR backup option from the flying club is down for maintenance. Today was perfect weather but I was tied up all day and unable to hit the road when I would have liked due to family obligations. I was planning to give a briefing on my handling qualities flight test program that I conducted on my KR and options for improving longitudinal handling qualities. I’m not sure if we might have the ability to conduct the briefing to the conference room via Zoom, if we do I’d be happy to present it that way. Otherwise I’ll plan on adding to it a little and plan to do a very extensive one next year, probably in two parts. I think much of the the information will be helpful to many builders and pilots who want to improve their KR. Adam-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> one more wake-up !!!
Dr Hsu and I will be arriving about 8 am Friday morning... we will be driving again this year... Luis On Wednesday, September 11, 2024 at 06:13:26 PM PDT, Chris Pryce via KRnet wrote: I flew 8 hours today and made it to Hastings, NE. I'll be there before lunch! Chris Pryce On Wed, Sep 11, 2024, 19:16 G R Pickett via KRnet wrote: On my way in the morning. Rough ETA is 1- 5 PM. Griff From: KRnet On Behalf Of Larry Flesner via KRnet Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2024 6:48 PM To: krnet@list.krnet.org Cc: Larry Flesner Subject: KRnet> one more wake-up !!! As my daughters used to say, "one more wake-up" and I'm off to Mt.Vernon. I have my second truck load of Gathering items loaded, cloths packed, and I'm ready to boggy at sunup tomorrow. Weather looks wet but several are already at Mt.Vernon. We have one of the most standard plans-built KR2S already on the field (Rob Schmitt) to look over and the forums should answer any questions anyone wants answered. No reason to cancel plans. See you in Mt.Vernon Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Proposed location 2025 gathering
I took the liberty of meeting with the director of the Mesquite Metro Airport KHQZ, and he is supportive of the idea of sponsoring this event in 2025. I will be available to present the idea and to talk about our facility and attractions in the areas adjacent to the airport. . Luis R Claudio N8981S KR2SDallas, Texas Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Ground loop Incident
It's been a few days since my ground loop incident, and I've had time to reflect on several things that In the interest of "lessons learned" I will add to my before takeoff checklist. Here is how I think I screwed up: I checked the AWOS at start-up as it's normal prior to taxing out to the ramp. I called ground and made the request for the option of a high-speed test, or a full takeoff and I finished my transmission with the phrase "with information Alpha". The tower cleared me to taxi to runway 36 via Alpha to the run-up and wait. They had several airplanes in the pattern and a jet on a long final. By the time I was allowed to get on the runway, a good 15 minutes or so had elapsed. I was there so long that I actually shut my engine off. I listened on my handheld for my clearance. In the span of those 15+ minutes or so, the winds had increased, and now more like a 90 deg crosswind gusting to 23kts from a milder 12kts. The only clue of higher winds was the airplane rocking once in a while, but I attributed that to two Citation Jets that were taking off and landing. At one time I tried to make an effort to look for the windsock but from my nose high position and where the nose was pointing, I could not see the windsock. Lesson learned: I edited my checklist to make it mandatory to recheck AWOS at run-up before to switching to the tower. This will assure me that I will be fully aware of my flight conditions prior to takeoff. Luis. On Monday, September 9, 2024 at 09:56:37 AM CDT, Ray_pilot wrote: Also glad you are ok and hopefully did not hurt the plane. I had ground looped a friend of mine's plane a year or so ago and definitely scared the _ out of myself.But there was no damage and it turned out to be a control issue (only partially me). So, as the tower said, "no harm no foul". And because of this stupid weather - really? hitting the only time I need clear skies to be?Looks as if I am going to come to Mount Vernon in a Dodge truck. Bit of a bummer, but I made the decision to come.and I am not changing my mind. See ya'll there. Ray_pilot New Orleans On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 1:20 AM Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Well, it was bound to happen... this past Saturday, the weather cleared enough for me to try another flight around the pattern, and so I kick the tires and lit the fires, and off I went... AWOS reported a crosswind from the West at about 12 to 14kts. We were using runway 36 to the North. I felt that 14kts was about my personal limit. I was still learning to fly my airplane and did not want to push it. Everything was going great, as I lined up and accelerated down the runway for takeoff. At about 35kts, I started lifting the tail, made a small correction to the left to counter the wind effect to my right, when I was hammered by what I thought was a blown tire... I was tossed in the cockpit hurting my hip, and the airplane swerved sharply to the left... I managed to recover back towards the center of the runway, just as I was hit again. the second gust was much more severe. I made two full circles but managed to keep the airplane on the runway. The airplane came to a stop shortly still on the runway and I taxied it off to the ramp. I called the tower to see if I had a violation or anything and they just told me to have a good life... no harm no foul. I later found that since my last weather inquiry on the AWOS, the wind gust had increased to 23kts which were way beyond my level of crosswind comfort. I called John Shaffer and talked to him a little just to calm myself. He then reminded me as to why he flies a nosewheel airplane... My airplane now sits in my hanger till i have a chance to do a thorough inspection. My hip hurts like crap and I hope I can recover enough to make it to Mount Vernon. Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Ground loop Incident
Well, it was bound to happen... this past Saturday, the weather cleared enough for me to try another flight around the pattern, and so I kick the tires and lit the fires, and off I went... AWOS reported a crosswind from the West at about 12 to 14kts. We were using runway 36 to the North. I felt that 14kts was about my personal limit. I was still learning to fly my airplane and did not want to push it. Everything was going great, as I lined up and accelerated down the runway for takeoff. At about 35kts, I started lifting the tail, made a small correction to the left to counter the wind effect to my right, when I was hammered by what I thought was a blown tire... I was tossed in the cockpit hurting my hip, and the airplane swerved sharply to the left... I managed to recover back towards the center of the runway, just as I was hit again. the second gust was much more severe. I made two full circles but managed to keep the airplane on the runway. The airplane came to a stop shortly still on the runway and I taxied it off to the ramp. I called the tower to see if I had a violation or anything and they just told me to have a good life... no harm no foul. I later found that since my last weather inquiry on the AWOS, the wind gust had increased to 23kts which were way beyond my level of crosswind comfort. I called John Shaffer and talked to him a little just to calm myself. He then reminded me as to why he flies a nosewheel airplane... My airplane now sits in my hanger till i have a chance to do a thorough inspection. My hip hurts like crap and I hope I can recover enough to make it to Mount Vernon. Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Happi gauge
I am having the same problem on my 2100D. I've had fluctuations on my Oil Pressure EMS indicator from a normal (temp) oil pressure of 30PSI dropping down to 12PSI which sets off bitching Betty. I connected a mechanical pressure gauge on a tee where the oil line comes off the engine, one branch of the tee goes to the VDO sending unit mounted on the firewall (braided SS line) and the gauge is mounted on the engine coming off of the engine case. This is only for testing purposes with the top cowling off.. The mechanical gauge has recorded pressures as high as 45-50 when the engine is cold and 23-30 when engine is at normal temperature (approx. 140deg F). On the contrary, I have recorded pressures as low as 12 PSI on the EMS during the same test. I have replaced my oil pressure sending unit three time. My latest one is a VDO unit. The other two previous units were bought on the internet from China. My oil line is a SS braided flex line from the engine to a header on the fire wall which connects to a test port for a mechanical gauge and a secondary port for my sending unit. I was wondering if the line has an air pocket in it that acts like a hydraulic hammer and causes the fluctuations. My second thought was to rebuild the oil pump. Sorry that at this time I have no solution, but I am working on the problem. Luis Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, September 8, 2024, 4:25 PM, Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote: On 9/8/2024 10:50 AM, K W via KRnet wrote: > Hello to everyone. > I have a very erratic oil pressure gauge reading in the cockpit. > Installed a connector T at the oil pressure port on my 2100 D and > attached a direct reading gauge for verification. Direct reading gauge > is very steady oil pressure while cockpit > instrumentation is sporadic fluctuating from 0 to 40. my question, > assuming I need to replace the sending unit, does a sending unit have > to match the happi gauge or can I buy an off the shelf sending unit? > > Cheers TIA > Keith > + Keith, Not seeing a response I'll throw in my non-mechanic opinion. Buy an off the shelf gauge and see if it matches the direct reading test gauge. I can't imagine that it wouldn't. My only concern is that any gauge used have a very tiny orifice in line in case of a leak in the gauge it doesn't dump all your oil before you can get down safely. Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Test fllight yesterday
Thank you Joe. I should change the subject to: checking phone to see if camera works. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, September 6, 2024, 12:37 PM, joemals...@charter.net wrote: At least the phone worksJoe. From: "Luis Claudio via KRnet" Reply-To: "KRnet" To: "KRnet" Cc: "Luis Claudio" Sent: September 6, 2024 at 11:36 AM CDT Subject: KRnet> Test fllight yesterday Ok guys, go ahead and say it "you're an idiot..." I tried to film yesterday's flight attempt, and I got a good 15-minute-long video of my mustache, cheek and ear. I had placed the camera (iPhone) backwards and did not realize it was filming me and not what was happening outside. Luckily, the weather was MVFR, and the tower said "you are a no-go" so I taxied around the ramp for a while and then went to the hangar to watch the video... life really sucks when you are technically challenged... Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Test fllight yesterday
Ok guys, go ahead and say it "you're an idiot..." I tried to film yesterday's flight attempt, and I got a good 15-minute-long video of my mustache, cheek and ear. I had placed the camera (iPhone) backwards and did not realize it was filming me and not what was happening outside. Luckily, the weather was MVFR, and the tower said "you are a no-go" so I taxied around the ramp for a while and then went to the hangar to watch the video... life really sucks when you are technically challenged... Luis-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Fwd: 50th Anniversary of the kR Video
Thank you Dr. Hsu... you only say that so you can ride with me to the meeting... I got your number buddy On another note... Larry the video has been deleted. It shall forever remain unviewed (I hope). Luis On Thursday, September 5, 2024 at 09:48:11 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet wrote: Luis has done a superb job editing these 50th anniversary KR vedo! My hat off to him! vr, Dr. Hsu On Thu, Sep 5, 2024, 3:48 PM Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote: Luis, there seems to be two videos on youtube on the 50 anniversary. The finished version and one at the following address. Please check and delete this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3U-LNdm3y4 Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Taking over KR-2S
Where is the project located? Many times, you may find a KR builder or pilot/owner near you that can mentor you through the build process. I agree with Griff... come on out to Mt Vernon next weekend and meet, touch and maybe get to ride in a KR... Best regards Luis On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 at 09:35:43 PM CDT, G R Pickett via KRnet wrote: Joshua, Glad you finally have formed some questions. Assuming you have all the systems and composite knowledge you need to make a decision, I would recommend looking at the wood joints of the fuselage (boat). The plywood should be aircraft or marine grade, not hobby plywood or veneer. The joints should be properly joined ((90+% contact if surfaces), wood adhesives are not used as filler, but joining agents. I would also weigh each wing; they should be about the same weight. If the builder has a record of the weight of the boat, you can then estimate the final weight- many KR2 and -S weights are published on the net, in a spreadsheet, I believe. These are airplanes, so heavier isn’t better-unless the gross is increased, in which case, you are entering theexperimental-experimental world. Are AN fittings present, or Home Depot bolts? That might indicate the approach the builder took throughout the build. Finally, get your info to Mt Vernon Illinois next weekend, and bring photos! Griff Pickett KC KR2 From: KRnet On Behalf Of Joshua DeGuire via KRnet Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2024 2:55 PM To: krnet@list.krnet.org Cc: Joshua DeGuire Subject: KRnet> Taking over KR-2S Hello everyone, I am a longtime lurker but first time poster. I have the opportunity to take over a KR-2S project and am going to look at it this weekend. I am an A&P with a decent amount of experience on composite aircraft, but I’ve never worked on a KR. I was wondering if anyone can suggest specific components or areas of interest to look at apart from the obvious? Wings are currently off and there is no FWF. Thank you! -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> High impedance short - lessons learned
John and Larry, thank you for your input. I totally appreciate it, which is why I reach out to the group...First things first... I will explain what I know from my observations as a layman. Here is the trial-and-error method that I used to find the fault... 1. I removed all devices connected to the Avionics switch (lit with an LED indicator) which is the culprit.2. I disconnected the wire supplying power to that switch (the switch status is off) from the power buss. 3. Then turned the switch on 4. I touched the wire from the switch to the buss bar5. I observed an arc, and the wire became hot (as in heat).6. No breakers tripped though it was connected to a 5A breaker7. When I removed the wire from the buss, again a small arc followed. 8. While the switch was on, I observed the battery drain from a normal 12+ Volts to as low as 10.5V9. I removed the switch and replaced with a common toggle switch (rated at 10A)10. I reconnected the circuit to the buss, and I did not observe arching nor did the wires get hot.11. I kept feeling the wire for heat for a few minutes before reconnecting devices one at a time12. After I reconnected all devices, I turned them on one at a time to see if I still had a problem.13. All devices came back online without any problems14. The voltage as recorded by the EMS indicated a stable 12.5VDC with no deterioration. Today, I went out to the airport and ran the engine, turned on all of the instruments and between the battery and the alternator, I was able to sustain a steady 12.5VDC. I ran it for about 5 minutes and shut it down. I reached under the panel and all wires felt normal (no heated wires). I hope that helps some. Luis On Friday, August 30, 2024 at 10:00:47 AM CDT, Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote: On 8/30/2024 9:34 AM, John Gotschall via KRnet wrote: Hi all, I read something about an avionics power connection arcing upon contact during troubleshooting.+++ Something to support your observations, I learned early on in my electronics education, working on crypto equipment in the USAF, and 33 years working on office equipment for Xerox, that if you don't know what normal operation is you're not really troubleshooting, you're no different than a pig rooting for an acorn. They often find the acorn but they also spend a lot of time rooting and find nothing. 🙂 Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Recommended viewing
Thank you all for your comments. Larry, thank you for coming to the defense of a piece that we put together to help celebrate our 50th anniversary. Like Larry said, we reached out to every builder, either through the KRnet or direct contact to those whose emails I could find. Many builders responded and submitted their own info, others I found from articles they published on the net. Believe me, I was too busy to be making things up. If I made mistakes, it was probably in sorting through the piles of information that I had accumulated. The nice thing about this project is that I can always go back and edit it and post a new update... simply email me with the correction. What a wonderful world we live in when we opt to communicate and graduate... Luis On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 10:09:41 PM CDT, ml.simmons--- via KRnet wrote: This was a fantastic presentation - even if there are some nits (they can always be sorted), this should be included with the nomination submittal to EAA lifetime award for Ken and Stu- How could EAA turn the nomination down? -- Mike Simmons On Thursday, August 29, 2024 at 06:58:39 PM PDT, Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote: All that nitpicking, and not a one of you bothered to post a link so the rest of us out here enjoying the comments could actually go see what you all were bickering about. Cheers, Todd Thelin N825MW ++ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUqoyStN9kU -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> High impedance short - lessons learned
For the last three months ore so, I’ve been battling a battery drain that has kept me grounded. Being that my electronic ignitions require a healthy 12V to operate, any drain below that affects both ignition and my transponder. The xponder is critical cause I fly under Bravo airspace. To the problem: As I taxi my airplane I noticed a rapid battery voltage drain from a normal 12.5V to a no go condition of 11 - 10.5v. I would taxi back , recharge the battery, do a battery drain and charging system test and find no faults. I then decided that I may have too small a wire feeding my main buss. I changed all feed wires from 20 ga. to 14ga with the main being 12ga. I fired it up and no improvement. My last desperate act was to disconnect every wire from the buss and reconnect one at a time to see the effect. The last wire I reconnected was my avionics switch and bingo, it arced and I got the voltage drain This switch has a built in LED which may have shorted and caused a high impedance drain without tripping its breaker. I replaced all switches to regular toggle switches and everything is back to normal. I can now return to my flight testing and planning for the meet. Luis R ClaudioN8981SDallas, Tx. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Operation Sunbeam
Love it!… what a great story.
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On Monday, August 12, 2024, 11:28 AM, Oscar Zuniga via KRnet
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Netters;
I'll just cut straight to the chase and announce to the KR world that I am the
new caretaker of N335KC, a KR 1-1/2. Upon seeing the gold-bronze anodized
spinner on the plane when I got it home, my daughter dubbed the airplane
"Sunbeam", so this post is about how I came to be the new caretaker of this
fine KR.
The plane was constructed by Ken Cottle in 1987, got its airworthiness
certificate in April of 1990, and is featured in the step-by-step instructional
video describing how Diehl premolded wing skins are installed on KR wings. It
was later owned by Steve Bennett of Great Plains Aircraft, when the engine was
changed to a Great Plains 2180 with a top-mounted Ellison. It's basically a
KR-1 that has been widened a bit but is still just a single-place. It may be
the only KR 1-1/2 in the FAA Registry (unlike the KR-25, of which there appear
to be many examples ;o)
Through my great fortune and occasionally making gentle inquiry to Mike
Stirewalt about the airplane, we recently came to an agreement about me
bringing the plane up here to my home field of KMFR in southern Oregon from his
home base at KSEE in southern California. In a whirlwind transport operation
August 1-4, the plane made the trip uneventfully and in very good weather to
have made the move on an open trailer. KR mover extraordinaire John Bouyea
made the move happen as smoothly and efficiently as it did, and the only
deviation that we made from "shortest route from Point A to Point B" was to
visit Joe Horvath at Revmaster in Hesperia the afternoon of Friday the 2nd on
our way south. Although Joe's people were almost all gone for the day by
lunchtime, he graciously kept the shop open till we got there. Some very
interesting things in development there, along with all of Revmaster's standard
offerings. We had a great time on the tour of Joe's shop, what with all the
shop machinery, engines, and interesting little parts and pieces everywhere.
Joe has some great stories, too... like the one about the 800HP VW.
We arrived at Mike's hangar Friday evening, spent all day Saturday loading and
securing 35KC onto the trailer with the wings on stands in the bed of the tow
vehicle, and Mike offered a running commentary on the airplane's systems and
operation as we worked. The man is a gold mine of aviation knowledge, and as
the plane's most recent caretaker and operator, he is the very best source of
specifics on its care and feeding. We departed the field late Saturday
afternoon, parked overnight in the Bakersfield area, and got to my hangar
Sunday afternoon to unload, inspect, and stow everything. John stayed in
Medford overnight and made it back to his home field up in Hillsboro on Monday
after putting 2,310 miles on his truck. Operation Sunbeam was a complete
success thanks to John's organization and skills as well as the use of his very
capable Ford F250 and flatbed trailer.
I still can't believe that I'm looking at a KR in my hangar as I get it cleaned
up, inspected, and understood. I have a Rand-Robinson info pack that dates
back to when I first got interested in the plane sometime around 1994-95...
some 30 years ago. To learn more about building and operating a KR, I found
out about the KRNet back when it was just transitioning from bulletin board
format, probably around 1997. Some of you may recognize names from back then:
Tom Crawford, Bobby Muse, Ross Youngblood, John Bryhan, Ron Lee, Randy Stein,
Robert Covington, Don Reid, Mike Mims... and so many more. One of my first
contacts with this group was when I became aware that Mark Langford was THE
builder who I wanted to emulate and learn from, and one of my first keeper
posts from the net is dated 10/12/97... from John Bouyea. I also met Jeff
Scott through the KRNet, and he has been a constant source of technical
information and engine smarts for me. I would have loved to be planning to fly
35KC to the Gathering this year but it's just not ready yet and neither am I.
I need to learn the plane first!
My eternal gratitude to Mike Stirewalt for so graciously launching me out on
this new adventure and for sharing this airplane and his knowledge with me. I
am equally grateful to John Bouyea for his tireless efforts, long hours and
miles on the road, gallons of sweat, and constant encouragement that I could do
this. I told him that he's very good at lighting matches... he had to light a
lot of little fires under me to keep Operation Sunbeam on track and across the
finish line. I also want to thank all of you on the Net for keeping this flame
alive for me all these years. The culmination will be when I get air under the
tires and get to take my first ride in a KR time machine!
Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORKR 1-1/2 N335KC in preparation
Re: KRnet> KR high speed taxi test
In my honest opinion, high speed testing is a necessary part of any experimental airplane experience. I battled several issues with my airplane, and I found them by doing high speed testing. During this time, I was constantly talking to John Shaefer, Brad Nichols and other friends about issues and solutions... sometimes you HAVE TO reach out to your friends for help... 1. Engine Ignition: My Revmaster engine was driven by a Bendix DR3000 magneto. I had a lot of trouble getting this magneto to work correctly so I sent it out to Tulsa for overhaul and setting of the correct timing. The mag shop in Tulsa suggested that I not use this magneto since it was no longer supported but that they could go ahead and replace worn parts and return without certification. I then made the decision to go full electronic with an SDS system from Canada. That whole process of re-inventing the wheel took me several months of trial and error... during my high-speed testing I was satisfied that this solution was the correct solution, and it now powers my airplane. I will talk more about this at our meeting. 2. Prop: When I purchased my engine, the previous owner threw in a new prop. During testing I found that this prop would only give me 2800 Static RPM. I was looking for 3100 to 3200 RPM. I thought that my issue was carburation and not the prop. After several iterations of adjustments, needle changes and whatnot, I decided to call John Shaefer. After listening to my frustration, he suggested a change of prop and said that he had a 52X54 available. I purchased the prop and that seems to have solved the RPM issue... 3.Brake Pedals: Testing, I found that the brake pedals were poorly designed and bent under a heavy brake load. Upon braking, I found that instead of applying pressure to the brake cylinder, the pedals would bend and not stop the airplane. I had to redesign the pedals and after several iterations I found a workable solution using aluminum channels instead of thick flat plates. I purchased some used brake cylinders at an aircraft salvage yard in Dallas, I also purchased an overhaul kit from Spruce. In spite of the overhaul kit providing new internals, during testing, I found that the cylinders were bleeding through internally and not applying sufficient hydraulic pressure to stop the airplane. This issue almost cost me the airplane since it allowed me to wonder off the runway and into the grass several times. 4. Baffles: I had heating issues with the rear cylinders showing very high temperatures. I found that my baffles were not providing a tight pressure boundary thus allowing cooling to escape through gaps and ill fitted silicone seals. I just completed a complete overhaul of the baffles, and I seem to have corrected the issues. 4. My Revmaster engine has an Aero Injector, and It took me several weeks to get this injector dialed in properly where it would give me the RPM;s necessary for flight. This carb was my first experience with injector style carbs and setting it properly was a challenge. I purchased several injector needles to experiment with and still could not get it to run correctly. Part of the problem that I found during my trouble shooting and calibration was that during my engine assembly, I had been interrupted by a visitor at a crucial moment of assembly. I found the right intake manifold loose. The engine was sucking air through a gap caused by my mistake. I could not get the engine to idle correctly and spent many days disassembling and re-assembling a carb that in reality was working correctly. Once I fixed the problem the engine purred like a kitten. I wanted to enumerate all of these issues to show that when you think you are finished and ready to take to the air, it is wise to spend time on the ground running your engine and other systems to ensure that your aircraft is really ready to fly. There are many instances that I can think of, that if I would have taken off with one or more of these issues, I would not have had a very pleasant outcome. Additionally, I did not bow to the pressures of my local friends and visitors... I worked till I felt that I got it right. I now have 7 hours on the airplane and trying to fly every day to get this puppy ready for Mt Vernon. Presently I am doing time trials to get my airspeeds calibrated and practicing fuel transfers since I am planning on flying non-stop to Mt Vernon. I want to make sure I can transfer fuel from my aux tanks to the main header tank with no issues. I am pressed against the clock but weather permitting, I will finish my hours and aim the nose East...More to come... Luis R Claudio On Saturday, August 10, 2024 at 07:33:51 AM CDT, Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote: On 8/10/2024 6:22 AM, n357cj via KRnet wrote: > I had originally built a snorkle for the fresh air to carb and it was > not the right thing to do but only became know by high speed taxing. +++
Re: KRnet> Gathering needs
If there is enough interest, I would like to do a presentation on the SDS electronic ignition for Corvair and VW conversions. The uniqueness of this system is the ability to shape your power curve from starting the engine to Lean of Peak... Lecture 30-40 Minutes and Q&A after... On Friday, July 12, 2024 at 08:02:01 PM CDT, Adam Deem via KRnet wrote: I’m planning and have offered to do a full briefing on my handling qualities flight testing and modifications to address handling qualities deficiencies. Adam DeemKR2 N8085K On Fri, Jul 12, 2024 at 5:04 PM Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote: Netters / Gathering attendees, We are trying to insure the details needed to make for a great Gathering experience are all covered. Several have stepped to the plate with bat in hand so only a few important items remain. Here is the list of the items that need to be covered. Two trophies - People's Choice award and Greatest Distance Flown award (in a KR to the Gathering) Anyone willing to design / purchase these awards will be re-reimbursed. Forums - we have no forums scheduled. If you are planning to attend please indicate the types of forums you'd like to see presented and we need someone to present these forums. Door prizes - If anyone has any items they'd like to donate as door prizes at the Saturday night banquet, let me know The goal is to insure that everyone that attends gets to experience real flying KRs, gain the information they need to work on their project, and leave with the motivation to finish. See you at Mt.Vernon.. Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Chad Robertson - KR2 Builder
I am sorry to inform the group that I received a text from Chad Robertson's daughter informing me that he had passed away from cancer. Chad was in the process of building a KR2S in the Coffeeville Kansas area and had visited me this past 12th of August on his way to cancer treatment in Texas. His daughter told me that she and her sister were committed to finishing the airplane in his honor. One of the girls is taking flight training and wants to fly the airplane once it is completed. Thats all the info that I have. Luis R ClaudioDallas, Texas -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Batteries, final thoughts
I agree John. It sure helps to know how to calculate battery needs... so when I apply the engine cubic centimeters to cubic inch calculator it will return the engine displacement value, such that: V = 4 * 250 * π * 50² / 4 = 1,963,495 mm³ = 119.82 Cu. In. So, using Larry's rule of thumb as 1 cu. in. = 1 CCA then X 119.82 = 120 CCA required plus 20% reserve = 144 CCA. Nice. LuisOn Thursday, May 16, 2024 at 06:14:28 PM CDT, wrote: Larry, This is a really good post. Thank you for sharing your knowledge on this topic. John Bouyea / OR81/ Hillsboro, OR N133RM KR-2S – imported, fixed & flying www.bouyea.net/N133RM -Original Message- Finally, on the batteries we use in the airplane, car, portable radio, GPS, cell phones, etc., we want the hottest (most powerful) battery available. But, there is no reason to go overboard , pay more money than necessary, if you have unnecessary capacity that you don't use. ... snip ... Understanding how batteries and cells are rated lets you decide what your needs are and spend accordingly. With you buns on the seat at 5000 feet, more is almost always better. Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Battery
I've been having battery issues to the point that I am on my second battery (thank you John Schaffer for your help troubleshooting the last one). My engine does not have a magneto, I depend on two electronic ignition modules which then requires me to have a good electrical source along with my alternator... My previous batteries were lawn and garden 330 CCA type, both failed with 6 months of service. I finally bit the bullet and bought an Earth X LiFoPo battery (a little pricy but...) I installed it today and will test it out tomorrow. Does anyone have experience with the Earth X batteries or did I jump from the frying pan into the fire? Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Inspection
Congratulations Mark My DR asked me to remove the covers on the wing attachment gap. I could not tell from your photo if you had gap covers/seals. Just wondering. Good luck on your inspection. I hope the FAA did not list your airplane as a KR25 instead of a KR2S... because they made a typo and would not correct it, so currently Chris and I are the only two KR25 listed in their registry. Luis On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 01:43:34 PM CDT, shafferj45...@twc.com wrote: Great looking KR, Mark. -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> 2024 Gathering Registration
KR Gathering | | | | KR Gathering | | | This link should work... Luis On Tuesday, April 16, 2024 at 07:03:22 PM CDT, Larry Flesner via KRnet wrote: > Go to : > > > http://www.krgathering.net/ click on "registration" > > Also, I think John updates manually so you may not get an immediate > response to confirm your registration. Patients, > please > > > Larry Flesner > + I just got a post from John B. that the www.krgathering.net site has a problem with "registration". John is on a camping holiday having too much of a good time and will fix the problem on his return. I'm sure he will advise when the fix is complete. Stand by Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Inappropriate request?
I live in Dallas Texas and my KR is based out of KHQZ Mesquite, Texas. We have plenty of hotels in the area next to the airport and you could probably watch the eclipse from my hanger... I have not checked the path of the eclipse but if that works for you, my space is available. Luis On Wednesday, March 20, 2024 at 08:49:28 AM CDT, DAVID MULLINS via KRnet wrote: I have about a 3 hr drive to get to Northern NH for it and I am actually off of work on that day. Last time I went through Franconia Notch I saw the Man of the Mountain before it fell and missed hitting a Moose at 3am going 60 miles an hour. I was going to Photograph the Sunrise on Mt Washington Dave M Rindge NH On 03/19/2024 10:20 PM EDT Gary Sack via KRnet wrote: My wife, son, & I will be driving ( 3 won't fit in a KR ) from northern California to the eclipse in Texas from April first through the fifteenth. Would any KR folk along the way trade dinner for a place to park a car & pitch a tent? Of course I would admire your airplane also. The reverse of this holds for anyone making it to Eureka. Best to contact me by phone or text at 707-683-2604. Thanks, Gary Sack, 81JM -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> KR-1
Jim: I think this is an awesome endeavor, I see it as a rejuvenation of an airplane design worth keeping alive. Don't forget to also post it on the Rand Robinson page on Facebook. Luis On Saturday, December 16, 2023 at 10:20:14 AM CST, textailwinds--- via KRnet wrote: I have received an email from a number of builders who are interested in following my “new” Old School KR -1 build. I have created an EAA builders log page with my hours/cost/ pictures so I don’t trash up the KRnet for those who are not interested. I have to catch the log page up to where I am now. So I will be adding to it regularly. I can’t sit still long enough to do it all at one time. For those who are interested I hope you enjoy following along. I am sharing some of the reasoning behind my choices as I go. ….bye the way I still need two gear axles for the retract gear legs! -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> KR retract gear parts...new/used
Flown into Bridgeport many times in my Cherokee... might give it a try in the KR once I fly off my 40 hrs. There's a lot of Bravo airspace between you and I... How far along are you in your built? A good friend of mine is pretty knowledgeable about the KR1. He is a good resource if you ever need to talk to him... Luis On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 09:20:15 PM CST, James Gogniat via KRnet wrote: Luis it is a pleasure to hear from you. I live west of you in Bridgeport, TX. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 9:09 PM Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: James if you are ever in the area of Mesquite (KHQZ) I would love for you to drop by my hangar and check out my KR2S. It is complete and currently doing taxi test. Additionally, you might want to talk to Brad Nichols, he is in Novasota and may also have the parts that you need. He will be converting to fix gear shortly. Best regards Luis R ClaudioN8981S based KHQZDallas, Texas On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 04:21:48 PM CST, lee vandyke2.com wrote: I have a brand new set still in the original box sent from RR. Never been drilled. Send me a mess off line. l...@vandyke2.com Lee Van Dyke On Nov 21, 2023, at 12:43 PM, James Gogniat via KRnet wrote: Thanks for the response Myron to my request for retract parts. The KRnet truly is amazing. I am waiting on pictures from another builder. I am not sure what he has. Maybe between the two of you I can acquire all the parts I need. May we speak directly or on my email so I may work out details with you. That way I won't bother others! Thank you...Jim Gogniat 940 443 zero227 On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 1:07 PM Myron Freeman via KRnet wrote: Hi.I believe I have all the retractable landing casting that you will need. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 11:59 AM James Gogniat via KRnet wrote: I am Jim Gogniat in North Texas. Having built a KR2 with retracts in the 1990's. (I think I wrote about the firewall when I put a square up against it on the jig table while framing November "KR news letter 1992" maybe?)I am now starting a KR-1.and for the fun of it I want to build an original design to see how close to the design empty weight we can get. So I'm in need of original retract gear parts, new/used KR1 or 2 . If you have converted your plane and would be willing to part with them please let me know what you have! Thanks, Keep Smiling.Jim Gogniat textailwi...@gmail.com-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> KR retract gear parts...new/used
James if you are ever in the area of Mesquite (KHQZ) I would love for you to drop by my hangar and check out my KR2S. It is complete and currently doing taxi test. Additionally, you might want to talk to Brad Nichols, he is in Novasota and may also have the parts that you need. He will be converting to fix gear shortly. Best regards Luis R ClaudioN8981S based KHQZDallas, Texas On Tuesday, November 21, 2023 at 04:21:48 PM CST, lee vandyke2.com wrote: I have a brand new set still in the original box sent from RR. Never been drilled. Send me a mess off line. l...@vandyke2.com Lee Van Dyke On Nov 21, 2023, at 12:43 PM, James Gogniat via KRnet wrote: Thanks for the response Myron to my request for retract parts. The KRnet truly is amazing. I am waiting on pictures from another builder. I am not sure what he has. Maybe between the two of you I can acquire all the parts I need. May we speak directly or on my email so I may work out details with you. That way I won't bother others! Thank you...Jim Gogniat 940 443 zero227 On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 1:07 PM Myron Freeman via KRnet wrote: Hi.I believe I have all the retractable landing casting that you will need. On Tue, Nov 21, 2023, 11:59 AM James Gogniat via KRnet wrote: I am Jim Gogniat in North Texas. Having built a KR2 with retracts in the 1990's. (I think I wrote about the firewall when I put a square up against it on the jig table while framing November "KR news letter 1992" maybe?)I am now starting a KR-1.and for the fun of it I want to build an original design to see how close to the design empty weight we can get. So I'm in need of original retract gear parts, new/used KR1 or 2 . If you have converted your plane and would be willing to part with them please let me know what you have! Thanks, Keep Smiling.Jim Gogniat textailwi...@gmail.com-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Questions about local KR for sale
Chris:I will address just one of your concerns, empty weight: My KR2S came in at 650lbs In the For-what-its-worth Department: I too have a Revmaster 2100D. My horizontal stabilizer is 72" wide and my rudder has been extended though I cannot recall by how much. Good luck with this purchase... Luis. On Tuesday, October 3, 2023 at 02:38:13 PM CDT, Chris Duncan wrote: Hi everyone,I just joined the list and I am wanting your opinions on a KR2 for sale local to me. The KR2 in question was built by Ralph Sawyer of Mojave, CA in the early 80s and given a AW cert in 1992. According to a brief write up in a 1992 KR news letter it is a stock retractable KR2 with the following changes; the outer wing panels were lengthened by 12" on each tip, the rudder area was increased by 20%, the canopy height was raised a few inches, and the wing and center section have solid foam cores and center section incidence was set at 3deg. Empty weight is a porky 668lbs and power is a revmaster 2100, she was last flown in 2002. (I have attached a picture) Is anyone on the list familiar with this particular aircraft? Is the added wingspan without increasing horizontal tail area going to adversly effect stability or the flight loads on the attach fittings? How about the 668lb empty weight, that seems like alot for a KR? I am a ppl and a/p, ive owned at least a dozen experimentals and ultralights including a sonerai IIL and am currently flying a vw powered minimax and a pietenpol aircamper. I have admired the KR2s for a long time and am delighted to have a chance to buy one local to me that just needs some TLC to get going again, however I would appreciate some input from those more experienced as to whether the plane described above is likely to be a sweet flying bird or a turkey? ThanksChris duncanrcpilo...@sbcglobal.net -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Air to air pictures at airshow
You should truly be proud of your KR Stef. Not only is it a great-looking airplane but it represents the KR beautifully. Thanks for sharing... Luis R ClaudioKR2S N8981SDallas, Texas On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 04:53:07 PM CDT, MS wrote: What a gorgeous example of a KR-2S! MikeKSEE -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> 2023 Gathering - Our visit to the gathering
This past Thursday, Brad Nichols, Dr. Hsu, and I traveled to our 2023 KR Gathering at Mt Vernon, IL. This was Brad's first time attending and Dr. Hsu and I had three other gatherings under our belts. My home port is KHQZ and sits under Bravo airspace in Dallas. The weather was calling for 200 ft. ceilings and visibility of less than 1/4 mile with embedded thunderstorms until Saturday evening. Even if I had flown off the 40 hours off of my KR... there was no way to secure a VFR departure clearance, so the decision to join my two KR buddies driving to KMVN was an easy one to make. Brad drove to KHQZ from Navasota (2.5 hrs) and Dr. Hsu from the Johnson Space Center in Houston (3.5) hrs. While we waited, I gave Brad a tour of my now-finished KR and he asked a million questions and we talked about his project. It was in a way like a precursor to the upcoming gathering and the things we would see there. We arrived at Mount Vernon at 5 AM on Friday morning and almost froze to death in the 57-degree morning in Illinois. We had been living in Texas under 105 degrees days and 57 degrees felt like near Arctic conditions for us...We jumped back in the car and waited till the sun came up... During the meeting, we visited with pilots already flying their KRs and others who were still building... Brad in particular was able to actually look at and touch some of the airplanes on exhibit and talk to their builders/pilots. Dr. Hsu as always, mingled among the attendees and questioned everyone about topics that interest him the most. In general, I can attest to the fact that Brad walked away a much more confident builder. The exchange of ideas and information with the builders has given him the confidence to continue to move forward with his build. Brad and I talked ad nauseam about lessons learned and future plans for our airplanes. We missed flying up to KMVN this year, but God willing, we are fully committed to taking our steeds of wood and glass north to KMVN next year to be one of the pilots/builders showing off our work. That is a promise. Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Part needed
I live in Dallas, Phil and I can check with Lucky over at the salvage place for the parts you need. Can you send me a picture of the part? What year is the 140? Luis On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 10:04:26 PM CDT, G R Pickett via KRnet wrote: Try Texas Air Salvage or eBay -Original Message- From: KRnet On Behalf Of Phillip Matheson via KRnet Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 9:24 PM To: KRnet ; Mustang Group Cc: Phillip Matheson Subject: KRnet> Part needed Sorry to ask for non group parts But my mate is looking for , or where to find a main door catch unit for a Cherokee 140 Phil matheson. Sent from my iPhone -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Part needed
Most parts for the door latches and trim handles were sourced from Studebaker automotive parts. The trim crank is a window crank for the car... Plymouth car parts also work. On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 09:24:12 PM CDT, Phillip Matheson via KRnet wrote: Sorry to ask for non group parts But my mate is looking for , or where to find a main door catch unit for a Cherokee 140 Phil matheson. Sent from my iPhone -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Props for the 0-200
Phil I have a 56x44 with an SAE 1 hub. It has never been flown. I am asking $400 plus shipping for it. I can send you pictures if you are interested. On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 05:56:45 PM CDT, Phillip Matheson via KRnet wrote: I have a Thompson 60 x 70. But it too much for my engine. It is getting 2300 flat out straight and level. Only 2100 on climb Still sorting another prop to try Phil Sent from my iPhone > On 26 Aug 2023, at 05:54, Larry Flesner via KRnet > wrote: > > >> On 8/25/2023 12:21 PM, William Walsh via KRnet wrote: >> Guys I bought Gerry Hamiltons kr 1.5 and the prop that he had I think will >> not give me full RPM but close. Any one running and 0-200 please advise. >> Looking for middle of the road. Thought about going with the adjustable >> Sensenich prop and figure out the best pitch however at $3800 I think I’m >> gonna look at different directions. Live in WA State if any peps are close. >> >> Thanks in advance for your help >> William >> > > > When you say you "get close" to full RPM, what is the number? If you can get > anywhere near 2750 RPM at full throttle level cruise and don't intend to fly > off any "extremely short" runways I'd leave well enough alone. The prop I'd > recommend is no longer available so I can't advise on a prop. I put 800 > hours on an Ed Sterba 60X68 that was supposedly re-pitched to a 64P but I > couldn't tell any difference. With the 0-200 you can get a nice economical > cruise at 2450 to 2500 rpm on 5 to 5 1/2 gph if you lean and can expect a > long engine life. Put on a finer pitch prop and go cloud busting at 2700 or > 2800 rpm and burn up to 8 gph. Your engine has a determined number of rpm's > in it's life time. Why use them all on a limited number of flights? > > A bit more info with numbers, prop maker, pitch / diameter might help others > to offer better advise than I'm giving. > > Good luck > > Larry Flesner > > -- > KRnet mailing list > KRnet@list.krnet.org > https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Thanks for all the help ... For the assistance starting my KR2
Dee, I agree with Rob... I too, do not have a check valve, and fuel flow is dictated in the Posa Injector, by the opening of the mixture control lever. If you notice, the fuel entry to the injector is through the mixture valve. To properly set it, make sure that when the mixture is fully retarded (pulled back) the mixture valve is fully seated in the closed position, then while cranking to start the engine, advance the mixture control and fuel will start flowing to start the engine or likewise, crack the mixture valve when you are doing your initial 5 prop turns by hand as we discussed earlier for a quick engine start. To ensure that no fuel is flowing when securing your airplane at the end of your day, retard your mixture control and shut off your main tank fuel valve also. Just keep it simple. Best regards Luis On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 09:47:33 PM CDT, Sid Wood wrote: I put a check valve in parallel with the VW engine-driven fuel pump. The VW fuel pump will not flow fuel if the engine is not running. The electric backup fuel pump cannot push fuel through the VW fuel pump. So, had to put the check valve in parallel with the VW fuel pump to get fuel to the carb for starting. Sid Wood California, MD. -Original Message- From: ROB SCHMITT via KRnet Sent: Monday, July 24, 2023 10:24 PM To: KRnet Cc: ROB SCHMITT Subject: Re: KRnet> Thanks for all the help ... For the assistance starting my KR2 Remove the check valve! I don’t have one on my fuel system, it will just cause problems. Rob Schmitt Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 24, 2023, at 7:03 PM, dee david via KRnet > wrote: > > > > I would like to say thank you to the entire KR community and especially, > Luis > with regards to getting my plane started. > > I now have the engine running on all 4 cylinders. - it does sound nice. > > The caveat right now is that I am taking the fuel straight to the throttle > body. > > Still having issues with the vacuum operated check valve. > > Thanks > -- > KRnet mailing list > KRnet@list.krnet.org > https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> VW AA Cylinder Head Dual Spark Plug Question
Jeff your heads are probably like mine, they are the new REV049 heads that Joe sells and they sport a 12mm plug (I mistakenly told Sam that I had 14mm plugs). I have dual automotive plugs 3/4" reach. Cheers On Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 04:13:43 PM CDT, Jeff York via KRnet wrote: I am not sure what an AA VW cylinder head is either. However, my original GPAS heads had cracks from the spark plug hole to the valve chamber. The material there is not much and Ive been told this type of cracking is common. I had never been happy with the quality of my GPAS heads and decided to have new heads built byJoe at Revmaster. He is incredibly knowledgeable on the VW engine and converting it for aircraft use. One look at my new Revmaster heads made me notice the superior quality. I am not in front of my heads at the moment and I do not know the spark plug hole size Joe put in my heads, but it is smaller than what I had from GPAS.. Jeff York On Thu, Jun 29, 2023 at 2:45 PM Matt Naiva via KRnet wrote: Sam what shape were his calipers? If doing a depth differential and 5-6 mm error could easily creep in. If he could pinch both surfaces with one tool his thickness judgment may be right on. That said Great Plains heads are not thickened for 3/4" reach and they fit a 10mm plug all the time... I personally like how Mofoco puts secondary plugs in but not how they conduct business. Matt On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 9:28 PM Samuel Spanovich via KRnet wrote: Question for all the VW guru’s out there regarding dual spark plug setup, specifically with AA Volkswagen cylinder heads. After one year of use with single ignition (the same ones that made it across the country with me for the gathering last year), I recently took my AA heads in to get them machined for a second spark plug, in hopes of converting back to dual ignition. I told the machinist originally to keep the same size plug as the original spark plug (12mm x 3/4” reach). However just before the machinist was supposed to perform the work, he informed me that these particular heads (the AA ones) do not have enough metal up near the combustion chamber and they are not thick enough to support a 3/4” reach spark plug (he said he measured the width with calipers, and compared it to an older MOFOCO cylinder head of mine, and the AA head was supposedly not as thick. I asked if it would be possible to machine the second spark plug port for something smaller, such as a 10mm x 1/2” reach plug. He sounded like it would physically fit, however he sounded a little hesitant about running that small of a plug into a fairly powerful engine (~80 HP). My question is whether or not it would be safe to have this type of setup (1x spark plug 12mm x 3/4”, and a secondary plug 10mm x 1/2”). I was fairly certain older VW heads accepted 14mm x 1/2”, so I was a little surprised when the machinist said he wouldn’t think a 1/2” plug would suffice. Any input would be greatly appreciated; just trying to make sure I’m not missing something completely obvious here. V/R Sam Spanovich Sent from my iPhone -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- 'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic’. Arthur C Clarke-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> VW AA Cylinder Head Dual Spark Plug Question
Sam, first of all, welcome back from your deployment. My family and I prayed for your well-being while you were deployed. (I am assuming that you are back). My 049 Revmaster heads use the small NGK 14MM spark plugs and they are working just fine with plenty of power coming off of my 2100D Revmaster engine. .. and my SDS electronic ignition. On Wednesday, June 28, 2023 at 09:27:40 PM CDT, Samuel Spanovich via KRnet wrote: Question for all the VW guru’s out there regarding dual spark plug setup, specifically with AA Volkswagen cylinder heads. After one year of use with single ignition (the same ones that made it across the country with me for the gathering last year), I recently took my AA heads in to get them machined for a second spark plug, in hopes of converting back to dual ignition. I told the machinist originally to keep the same size plug as the original spark plug (12mm x 3/4” reach). However just before the machinist was supposed to perform the work, he informed me that these particular heads (the AA ones) do not have enough metal up near the combustion chamber and they are not thick enough to support a 3/4” reach spark plug (he said he measured the width with calipers, and compared it to an older MOFOCO cylinder head of mine, and the AA head was supposedly not as thick. I asked if it would be possible to machine the second spark plug port for something smaller, such as a 10mm x 1/2” reach plug. He sounded like it would physically fit, however he sounded a little hesitant about running that small of a plug into a fairly powerful engine (~80 HP). My question is whether or not it would be safe to have this type of setup (1x spark plug 12mm x 3/4”, and a secondary plug 10mm x 1/2”). I was fairly certain older VW heads accepted 14mm x 1/2”, so I was a little surprised when the machinist said he wouldn’t think a 1/2” plug would suffice. Any input would be greatly appreciated; just trying to make sure I’m not missing something completely obvious here. V/R Sam Spanovich Sent from my iPhone -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Starting my KR continued
Dee could you send me a PM with your phone number? I can explain my procedure for setting my mag timing and fuel set-up. Do you have a magneto tester? Thanks Luis R Claudio On Monday, May 29, 2023 at 06:35:30 AM CDT, Mark Langford wrote: I should also mention that there is only one firing order for a normal VW type 1 engine, and that's 1-4-3-2. For some reason, the GPASC manual has 1-4-3-2 for distributor ignition, and 1-2-3-4 for magneto. I have no idea what Steve was thinking when he put this in his manual, unless the magneto terminals and wires are numbered differently, but that simply doesn't change the firing order of the cylinders, and when they need a spark delivered for the engine to run. Bottom line is the cam and crankshaft determine proper firing order, and unless it's a very weird VW, it's 1-4-3-2 (and I know of none, other than maybe the "half VW"). So if you set up number one cylinder at Top Dead Center (TDC) on the compression stroke, with spark plug firing on number one, and then work through the rest (as previously mentioned) in the 1-4-3-2 order. Rotate 180 degrees and check the next, etc. Obviously, you need to mark TDC on the spinner backplate or somewhere else visible, so it's easy to do the next time too. And all of this is meaningless if you don't know how the cylinders are numbered on the actual engine. The one closest to the pilot is number one, and the one forward of that is number 2. Closest to the passenger is number 3, and forward of that is number 4. See enclosed image, where "front of car" is actually "rear of airplane". Mark Langford m...@n56ml.com http://www.n56ml.com Huntsville, AL -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Need help starting my KR2 ..please
I have a Revmaster 2100D engine and it starts every time without issues. Here is my method... first of all I do not have a primer or pump of any kind. My carb is an injector type (Aerocarb). Ignition offI open my fuel valve, push the mixture to full rich, and turn my prop by hand for four or five full turns. (This action sucks fuel into my manifold. )I then turn on the ignition and hit the starter. The engine kicks to life after half, to one full turn every time... that is my method to start my engine... Thanks Luis On Friday, May 12, 2023 at 09:57:58 AM CDT, dee david via KRnet wrote: Hi Follks, I appreciate all the help that has been given to me to this point. BUT I need more guidance... I'm trying to start my Kr2 NOW. Facts:1. The engine turns very well. - But it does not seem seems like no fuel.2. Debugging showed that my prime was not shooting fuel into the cylinder. As a result no fuel in the cylinder.3. I pulled off the fuel primer plunger (primer in my case) and tested it on my workbench. It WORKED. Caveat is that I had the hose immersed directly in the water source I was using. 4. The primer is fed straight from the top of the gascolator. 5. I have 2 gallons of fuel in my Header fuel tank. 6. The primer (plunger) line to the gascolator never has any fuel in it.7. When I blow in the line (hose) between the primer plunger -> gascolator. I can hear the fuel bubbling - so I know it is not blocked.There is fuel in the gascolator. Question:1. Do I need an auxiliary fuel pump between the engine and the header tank? 2. Why is the pressure not forcing the fuel to the primer plunger? Laws of physics say it should be there.. right? Any comments will be appreciated Dee (781) 500-5864 -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> FreeBird - was WANTED: KR-1 plans
MarkYou can count on me to assist in writing the manual. Luis R ClaudioN8981S KR2SDallas, Texas On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 12:45:50 PM CST, Chris Gardiner wrote: Hi Mark,I would like to volunteer my services to write some of the construction manual as you see fit.Being retired , I have time to spare in the winter months when I’m not flying my KR2S.RegardsChris GardinerC GKRZ 300 hours VW2180 GpAS Sent from my iPhone On Mar 10, 2023, at 07:59, Mark Langford wrote: Kenneth Morrison wrote: " what is the free bird project?" See http://www.freebirdplans.org/ for details. Progress has been slow, but we're getting there. I also have to mention that anyone who thinks they'd like to build a KR-1 probably needs to find one and sit in it to make sure they fit. Being a Munchkin is a must, if you build it by the plans, and that's coming from a pretty small guy (me). A stock KR-2 is equally tight, and short of headroom. The KR2S is a huge step in the right direction, but almost all of them being build in recent years have been stretched upward and lengthwise, and the FreeBird project is just an extension of that effort. No FreeBird plans are available yet, but when they are, they will be published to the website above, for free download. A re-write of the plans build manual is also on the agenda, as the original plans left a LOT to the imagination. This documentation will be a "living document" that will change as the design and experience evolves, rather than frozen in stone like the old plans have become. Please be patient. This will not happen overnight. I've asked a few experienced builders if they would contribute their time to the effort, but have received very little in the way of offers, so if there are others who feel they can offer real contribution (in the way of time and writing) to the effort, please let me know. This is mostly in the form of writing a chapter in the build manual, or at least one aspect of the build process. Depending on how much feedback I get, I may not get back to you immediately, but will at least have a small pool of contributors lined up, who are willing to do some writing. Mark Langford m...@n56ml.com http://www.n56ml.com Huntsville, AL -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> CoA approved today
Congratulations Phillip Luis R Claudio On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:43:53 AM CST, pk.smith--- via KRnet wrote: Congratulations mate, when can I get a ride?Paul. Get Outlook for Android-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> New heads, pistons, cylinders and Revflow
Love your choice of SDS ignition... you can start your engine with that ignition as opposed to some of the other electronic ignitions. Your ability to design your own timing curve allows you to retard your timing for a smooth start. I am running dual SDS ignitions and no magnetos... I am loving it... Luis R ClaudioN8981S KR2SDallas, Texas On Thursday, January 19, 2023 at 06:54:33 PM CST, MS wrote: "At that point I decided I never did like the poor quality of the heads and so I called Joe at Revmaster." Such good news to hear Joe is still with us. He's a treasure. MikeKSEE -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Multi subject. VW2180 magneto, electronic ignition and more
Jeff: Addressing your concern, I will only speak to the SDS system. I have a dual SDS system with a main and backup battery. My system has redundancy in that it has two fully independent sparkplugs, computers, and power packs. I have two ignition three-way toggle switches (up-main battery - center off - down the backup battery). Below, I will describe how I use my system. I taxi with the backup battery to ensure that this circuit is operational. During my run-up, I switch to my main battery (both ignitions) and do the run-up by switching each circuit off and running the engine with a single ignition. In my experience, I see a very minute RPM drop between one ignition and the other. If you are afraid of an ignition failure on takeoff, run one circuit on the main battery and the other on the backup battery, and then select the main battery once you are at a safe altitude. Switching from main to backup is so quick that there is no noticeable engine performance drop because the change is almost instantaneous. The backup battery. BTW the backup battery is sized for two hours of continuous operation. The other feature that you will love is the customization of the power curve and the ease of Lean of Peak configuration. The ignition computer has a built-in manifold pressure sensor that is used to maximize your engine performance at altitude. The CPI computer has 64 settings that allow the programming of ignition retard or advance with reference to load on the engine. Load information is attained from the MAP (MP) sensor. Luis R ClaudioN8981SKR2S (or KR25 for the FAA) On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 06:23:22 PM CST, John Gotschall via KRnet wrote: You can use this (or two diodes, but this is probably more robust and cheaper) to "steer" the electric power to the ignition system from the regular and backup power sources. Whichever source has the higher voltage will power the load without back feeding to the lower voltage source. There is no switchover time or delay, just a constant feed from the higher voltage source. Disadvantage: it looses 0.56volts internally which is generally negligible. jg pic attached below. On Tue, Nov 15, 2022, 16:00 Jeff York via KRnet wrote: I haven't been seeing much activity in the KR group lately so let me see if I can stir things up a bit? -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Photo of engine at the gathering
Lee if you have a Revmaster engine, I have the D2000/3000 magneto wiring schematic that tells you which lead goes to which spark plug if that's what you need. Luis On Thursday, November 10, 2022 at 06:47:10 PM CST, lee vandyke2.com wrote: Does anybody have a good photo of my engine, specifically my engine harness for my magneto? Could you send it to me off line. l...@vandyke2.com Lee Van Dyke -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> ram air....potential issue!
My aero carb gave me lots of problems with ram air. during testing. The slide was difficult to move and I could not generate full power. Once the cowling was installed and the carb was ingesting cowling air, my RPM increased dramatically. I spoke to Marc Baca about this issue and he suggested that I change the plastic-bearing material associated with the slide to one recommended by Steve Glover and that should solve the problem. Presently I feel that I am still 400 RPM short of full power (I was expecting 3100 RPM). Luis On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 02:14:58 PM CST, MS wrote: Thanks Mark. Casual references lead to misunderstandings. -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> New Member Intro
Jay, I am retired so I am available any time. This week I am working on a blister that I had to add to the cowling. I should be done with it today then I have got to get back to doing my hight speed taxi before I attempt my very first flight. So give me a time and day that you can drop by and I will be here. I normally get to the airport around 10:30 and work till about 4 PM. I am in hangar 319 and the gate code is 1203. There is a lot of construction there this month so follow the signs to gate A. Luis On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 at 10:47:57 PM CDT, Jay B Swindle wrote: Thanks Luis, I'd very much like to see your plane. I'm probably more available than you are so a visit would probably best be at your convenience. I live about 50 miles from KHQZ so that's a timing consideration. Let me know what works for you. Jay On 2022-09-27 23:53:54, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Jay: I have my KR2S based in Mesquite (KHQZ) and you are welcome to stop by and check it out anytime. Luis R Claudio N8981S KR2S Dallas, Texas On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:54:13 PM CDT, Jay B Swindle wrote: Hello KR-2 afficionados, my name is Jay Swindle and I live in the Texas about six miles west of KDFW. I've been an airplane nut since age 8 about, ah, seven decades ago, but I didn't get my PPL until I was 66. While always greatly interested in aircraft and the aircraft industry my work experience has been elsewhere: television, electronics, and software primarily. These days I fly with a great friend in his Cessna 182. I've been lurking homebuilt aircraft sites and discussions for years but notice that plans for an open source KR-2 derivative were in the works got my attention and here I am. I'm uncertain how or what I might be able to contribute but hopefully time will tell. -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> New Member Intro
Jay: I have my KR2S based in Mesquite (KHQZ) and you are welcome to stop by and check it out anytime. Luis R ClaudioN8981S KR2SDallas, Texas On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 at 10:54:13 PM CDT, Jay B Swindle wrote: Hello KR-2 afficionados, my name is Jay Swindle and I live in the Texas about six miles west of KDFW. I've been an airplane nut since age 8 about, ah, seven decades ago, but I didn't get my PPL until I was 66. While always greatly interested in aircraft and the aircraft industry my work experience has been elsewhere: television, electronics, and software primarily. These days I fly with a great friend in his Cessna 182. I've been lurking homebuilt aircraft sites and discussions for years but notice that plans for an open source KR-2 derivative were in the works got my attention and here I am. I'm uncertain how or what I might be able to contribute but hopefully time will tell. -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> quick video of once around the pattern
John... do you owe us some video of your trip out to Mount Vernon and home or should we just be happy that you made the trip thus showcasing the versatility of this great little airplane? Just asking... Luis On Monday, September 26, 2022 at 09:03:08 PM CDT, wrote: Right on Phil. My turf strip is 2000' and I'm working to get it down to using half of that. John Bouyea / OR81/ Hillsboro, OR N133RM KR-2S – imported, fixed & flying www.bouyea.net/N133RM -Original Message- Cc: Phillip Matheson Wow. 1800ft (853m) that’s longer than my entire runway. Keep practicing, you should be able to takeoff and land in less that half of that. -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> 2023 Gathering
I second what Rob said. One look at the flight line and I felt that our event was watered down by all those other activities. I vote we keep it separate. Luis R Claudio On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 08:05:14 AM CDT, robert7721--- via KRnet wrote: The weekend after the LSA Expo sounds good. The general consensus was to have in back at Mount Vernon, but on a different date than the LSA Expo. So whatever weekend works for Chris Collins is fine. The main problem doing it on the same weekend with the Expo was the number of aircraft in the pattern during all times of the day. The traffic was pretty hectic arriving, departing, going for short flights, rides, etc. I think it will be better if do it separately that the Expo, I think most of our KR attendees felt the same way. Thanks, Rob Schmitt N1852Z -Original Message- From: KRnet On Behalf Of larry howell via KRnet Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 2:33 PM To: larry howell via KRnet Cc: larry howell Subject: Re: KRnet> 2023 Gathering Sorry for the confusion, the weekend after the LightSport weekend is what Chris is talking about. Larry H > On Sep 18, 2022, at 2:19 PM, larry howell via KRnet > wrote: > > I talked with Chris today. He said the second weekend will work fine. We > need to decide if that’s the weekend we want. > It’s confirmed if we want it. > > > Larry H > >>> On Sep 18, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Flesner via KRnet wrote: >>> >>> On 9/18/2022 12:57 PM, larry howell via KRnet wrote: >>> I checked with Chris he says a stand alone event the second weekend will >>> work fine then he can spend more time with us! >>> Any Seconds? >>> >>> Larry H >> >> + >> >> In the past the weekend after Labor Day is the LSE (second weekend). Do we >> need to verify dates with Chris? All these 15 minute each way trips to the >> Gathering is taking a toll on my KR. >> >> Larry Flesner >> >> -- >> KRnet mailing list >> KRnet@list.krnet.org >> https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> VERY cool 6 pack PLUS autopilot!
My KR2S is equipped with a Dynon D180 with the AP74 autopilot module though it is not needed with the D180. It drives a full autopilot and the two servos cost $800 each brand new (a slight price increase, I paid $750). They are small and very light with over 36 lbs of torque. They come in three different sizes. If you accidentally order the wrong servo, Dynon will trade you an upgraded servo at no extra cost to you. These servos are very intelligent and communicate through a network. Some of their software features are the ability for the autopilot to do a 180 deg turn with the push of a button if you inadvertently enter an IFR situation and you need to get out. On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 07:03:38 AM CDT, Doug Steen via KRnet wrote: I have used this Dynon 6 pack/autopilot for 8 years with solid performance, interfaced with an IRR GPS and VOR/ ILS. I do fly IFR to minimums with confidence. If you are watching weight. The D10A weighs less than the steam gages that it can replace. And my EarthX battery saved 12 lbs over the sealed lead acid battery that it replaced. On Sun, Sep 18, 2022, 6:23 AM Michael Quinn via KRnet wrote: Thanks Doug - this is one that I have on my list of possibilities - the weight is a lot more - however the amount of time the company has been around and the customer support were big pluses for your solution. How is the Dynon D10A working out for you? Any sqawks? M.From: KRnet on behalf of Doug Steen via KRnet Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2022 11:47 PM To: fenghs...@gmail.com ; krnet@list.krnet.org KR List New Cc: Doug Steen Subject: Re: KRnet> VERY cool 6 pack PLUS autopilot! My approach was to buy a used Dynon D10A. This provides all 6 pack functions plus autopilot brains plus lithium backup battery. Servos are $1500 each, new from Dynon. This gives GPS steer and altitude pre-select. On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 7:53 PM Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet wrote: Mike, Unfortunately, I can't get the detailed info about the autopilot package as my friend (and my hangar mate) has passed away last October due to an accident when flew back from Milwaukee Yes, you are correct that I remember he told me it was indeed a killer deal Dynon package from an avionics shop he found online! I don't believe the servo motors he got were heavy & old ones as he bragged about the light weight of his system...! Always search online for what you want, and you will be amazed to find out what's out there! cheers, Dr. Hsu On Sat, Sep 17, 2022, 7:32 PM Michael Quinn wrote: Dr. Hsu please provide the information on that autopilot for under 1k with the six pack setup! I have not found anything like that (maybe your friend bought an old Dynon with old heavy servos on a killer deal that cannot be found anywhere else?) Larry - I did the cart add and mine came out to $2,700 (abet higher than what Dr. Hsu is saying he knows of for a better setup) - I talked with Carlos and what I had choosen contained all the servos wiring and head. Please, if you say that you found something better - share the link or at least the name of the product so I can research. I want to make certain I am comparing apples to apples. M.From: KRnet on behalf of Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:08 PM To: KRnet Cc: Dr. Feng Hsu Subject: Re: KRnet> VERY cool 6 pack PLUS autopilot! Totally agree with what Larry just said! A friend of mine in Albuquerque just spent under $1k to install his autopilot with all servo motors included! He bought a used system with 8 inch screen, as there are many for sale out there. Dr. Hsu On Fri, Sep 16, 2022, 1:46 PM Flesner via KRnet wrote: On 9/16/2022 8:01 AM, larry howell via KRnet wrote: > If so it is not so inexpensive. It does not have servos that move > your ailerons or elevator unless he has made changes. The price is > close to a normal autopilot that does move your ailerons and elevator > > Larry H > ++ Expensive or not is determined by the tightwad doing the purchase. I did the "cart checkout" thing and with tax (and no waterproof servos) my cost came to $4200 with tax. I don't fly enough cross country to justify that cost. Also, any trim tab mounted to a control surface moves the control surface which controls the aircraft unless of course the control surface is locked down. I got my KR home from Mt.Vernon today so I guess everyone survived the Gathering. I'm in the process of packaging hats / shirts and should ship Monday or Tuesday. I'll contact each buyer and advise on cost. It looks like I can ship at flat rate for under $10 in the U.S. Stay tuned.. Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- K
Re: KRnet> Sam & John are home from the Gathering
That's great news, John. So glad to hear both of you. Luis R Claudio On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 09:44:34 PM CDT, k...@bouyea.net wrote: Sam & John had 3 days of flying to get home to Washington and Oregon. We’ll do a debrief sometime. In a nutshell I logged 38.3 Hobbs hours for the round trip. Sam logged the actual flight times and except for the first and last legs our times were the same. N133RM burns fuel at a higher rate partially to cool the engine and I pumped about 182 gallons. So that comes out to 4.75GPH but we had some extended ground runs. Overall it was a great trip. We had some equipment challenges and we worked through everything. On the way to MVN we had some high temps and high crosswinds. Like Faith SD at 97F and 12-15 knots 90 degrees to the runway. Kind of exciting. On the way home we faced some stiff headwinds like 44mph directly on the nose going past STL. Crossing the mountains had us in smoke and high moisture content. Pulling the carb heat dropped 300 rpm so you cannot tell me that a slide carb/ injector won’t make ice. We parted ways in Lewiston, ID Wednesday afternoon. That was kind of brutal as Sam & I had an adventure flying to the Gathering and back home again.. But we’re glad to be home. Between the 2 of we have some photos to share at a later time. Until then, Fly them if you have them or keep building if you’re not done yet! Finally, thank you to everyone who was able to make it to the Gathering. Weather dealt a rough hand to those flying in but it was certainly worth it. Now to tote up the CC bill… John Bouyea / OR81/ Hillsboro, OR N133RM KR-2S – imported, fixed & flying www.bouyea.net/N133RM -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Newsletter idea
Mark I needed to verbalize my concern. I hope it wasn't taken in a negative way. I am with you on this, not against the work that is being done or the work that has been done. I will re-focus my energy on completing my flight curriculum until I am called to do whatever work is needed to assist in this project. Best regards Luis R Claudio On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 07:26:41 AM CDT, Mark Langford wrote: Luis wrote: > And finally, the 900-lb gorilla in the room is "Who will take the time > to do this work?" Well, if there is enough interest, I will, or whoever > feels that they have the time to do it. I feel that it is time that we > organize and prepare a "knowledge repository" for the future of the > current design and the birth of the "Freebird". Luis, I'm that guy that mentioned the old newsletters, but not that we need to try to resurrect itit died shortly after the KR internet newsgroup was born (because the internet is so far superior to a printed quarterly newsletter), which then evolved into the KRnet email list. What I was referring to was the ads in the newsletter put there by people who were building proven components for the KR that were up for sale to other builders, such as bellcranks, fittings, brakes, etc. We need folks to produce parts for the FreeBird in a similar manner, built by people who can keep a few sets around for immediate delivery, without the current mystery and drama. I wasn't talking about a new venue for announcing first flights, sharing new ideas, and all that stuffdon't we have that in the KRnet email list, and the KRnet.org website? As for someplace to disseminate new ideas like FreeBird, I have already secured the www.freebird.org website for exactly that purpose. No, I don't have it up and running yet, because I don't have anything of substance to post there yet, but we'll get there. As for "Who will take the time to do this work?"thanks for volunteering, but it's being worked! As for new blood in the KR community, that's a major tenet of the FreeBird project. I can't think of a better incentive to build a certain airplane than to have FREE plans located on a website for free download (no registration, no privacy data taken). One look at how simple it is and a LOT of people will find it intriguing. Then go take a look at www.krnet.org and look at all the very similar planes already flying, and guys building their own engine, and making it all work! I think the formula is already in place to fix many of your concerns. Please bear with me on this effort. I will ask for help as it is needed..... Mark Langford m...@n56ml.com http://www.n56ml.com Huntsville, AL On 9/13/2022 9:26 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: > We just got home from our 2022 KR gathering and as always it was great > to see old and new friends there. But as I looked around, I saw a lot of > people missing and wondered why... I had to ask myself "are we losing > interest in our KR community?" > > To answer that question, I thought about this... Someone recently > mentioned resurrecting the idea of a newsletter as was customary in > years before. There seems to be enough ongoing activity to support a > quarterly newsletter to help motivate old talent and to encourage new > ones into joining our KR community from around the world. However, there > too exist the question of "what good would it do to encourage new people > to build KRs if there isn't a unified community of resources and support > to assist them in their build? > > Presently, we can no longer depend on Nvaero as a repository of useable > plans, parts, advice, and technical support. Where and who can we turn > to for help? We know that Mark Langford (and others?) are working hard > to design the next generation of the KR airplane and that is a very > noble endeavor. But the groundwork for supporting the deployment of > these designs is not yet available and is barely talked about. I > believe that the time is now if not later to start this conversation. > Consider this: > > We need a place to share accomplishments, first flights, first "build", > a place to tell a story or two about your last flight... > > A place to provide a single source of information and technical > assistance to both young and old builders/pilots? > > A place for new blood to slowly assimilate into our KR community? > > A place to share new innovative ideas from our builders and designers > > A platform for the repository of "Freebird" plans and updates. > > And finally, the 900-lb gorilla in the room is "Who will take the time > to do this work?" Well, if there is enough interest, I will, or
KRnet> Newsletter idea
We just got home from our 2022 KR gathering and as always it was great to see old and new friends there. But as I looked around, I saw a lot of people missing and wondered why... I had to ask myself "are we losing interest in our KR community?" To answer that question, I thought about this... Someone recently mentioned resurrecting the idea of a newsletter as was customary in years before. There seems to be enough ongoing activity to support a quarterly newsletter to help motivate old talent and to encourage new ones into joining our KR community from around the world. However, there too exist the question of "what good would it do to encourage new people to build KRs if there isn't a unified community of resources and support to assist them in their build? Presently, we can no longer depend on Nvaero as a repository of useable plans, parts, advice, and technical support. Where and who can we turn to for help? We know that Mark Langford (and others?) are working hard to design the next generation of the KR airplane and that is a very noble endeavor. But the groundwork for supporting the deployment of these designs is not yet available and is barely talked about. I believe that the time is now if not later to start this conversation. Consider this: We need a place to share accomplishments, first flights, first "build", a place to tell a story or two about your last flight... A place to provide a single source of information and technical assistance to both young and old builders/pilots? A place for new blood to slowly assimilate into our KR community? A place to share new innovative ideas from our builders and designers A platform for the repository of "Freebird" plans and updates. And finally, the 900-lb gorilla in the room is "Who will take the time to do this work?" Well, if there is enough interest, I will, or whoever feels that they have the time to do it. I feel that it is time that we organize and prepare a "knowledge repository" for the future of the current design and the birth of the "Freebird". What are your thoughts? Luis R Claudio KR2S N8981SDallas, Texas (I apologize for my rambling thoughts but I think I got my point across...)-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> KR Parts for sale at the gathering
I will be taking a Bendix D3000 recently overhauled by QAA in Tulsa Ok. This is the mag only. If you need the cap, I have it and it's been drilled for an automotive harness. I will also have a Posa Carburetor and filter assembly for sale. Starter switch with key A-510-3 (Off-R-L-Both Start) Dynon Avionics’ Encoder Serial-to-Parallel Converter. Bendix P-leads and P-leads testers Luis R ClaudioKR2S N8981SDallas, Texas -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> KR2 project for sale.
I have a Posa carb that I will take to sell... so there is the missing carb of your project... Luis R ClaudioOn Saturday, September 3, 2022 at 11:07:13 PM CDT, Steve Bray via KRnet wrote: I plan to take my project to the gathering to sell it. It has a revmaster and is a nose dragger.As always 90% complete. Has the Diehl wings and disc brakes. Fully painted. with analog instrumentsNeeds a carb and bigger fuel lines.Email me for more, There is a lot more.-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> DAR and Airworthiness Inspection
My DAR called me and said that the only day he has available is on Thursday 8 September... I said let's do it... I email Dr. Hsu and suggested that he drive to Dallas on Thursday evening and we can leave for the gathering right after the inspection so we will get there early Friday Morning since we'll probably stop to rest somewhere along the way. Believe me guys, I tried like the Dickens to get this certificate sooner but he just wasn't available and the FAA said they didn't have the resources... I guess they spent all their money on hiring IRS agents.. Luis R Claudio KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas...-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Deer Slayer part 2
Very nice! Thank you for posting that awesome video. I can't wait for that to be me. Luis On Wednesday, August 17, 2022 at 02:36:37 PM CDT, Craig Williams wrote: The second video is up. Looks like there will be a number 3 too. Todays flight went ok. My landings need lots of work. https://youtu.be/e3d-QfpqHHA Craig N886MJ -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> O-ring Selection
Larry these are brand new Tracy O'brain brakes, which means that they are properly sized. The cylinders I purchased used, that is why I am suspecting fluid by-pass across the pistons. To address the proper scenario from your list, I have not been able to pressurize the brakes, so I am afraid to move it on an active ramp like my home base (KHQZ), it's got some pretty expensive airplanes just sitting on the ramp. Since replacing those components are pennies on the dollar, I believe that my best action is to replace the internal components of the cylinders and see if that fixes the issue. Regarding the fluid lines to the brake calipers, I have not found any leaks that would signal a defective brake line. By the way, thank you, I always look forward to your input. Luis On Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:58:29 AM CDT, Flesner via KRnet wrote: On 8/14/2022 10:13 AM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: > I found that I will have to rebuild my brake cylinders because my > brakes cannot hold my airplane under full power. > > Luis R Claudio Luis, My firsts thought is to determine if you're dealing with a "problem" or merely a "situation". The solution will require different action. 1. Do they hold at initial application of full power then fade? - problem 2. Did they ever hold at full power and now fail? - problem 3. If they have never been able to hold at full power from the first attempt - situation 4. Are the brake system components new from the manufacture and using the recommended fluid type yet fail full power run up? - situation Flying an airplane with brakes that will not restrict motion at full power is not necessary a safety factor. If you ever need full braking action your engine will most likely be at idle or at least a very low power setting. My Tripacer had drum brakes with both sides actuated by a single heal brake master cylinder with a rubber diaphragm mounted on the firewall with a cable attached to a lever under the instrument panel. I refereed to them as my "slow down only brakes ". I flew my KR for several hundred hours with Cleveland 600X6 wheels with low profile tires. When I converted to Cleveland 500X5 wheels there was a noticeable difference in the braking action available. Try some fast taxi test and use full braking action to see if the brakes are adequate. Use caution as too much holding power could put you over on the nose. If you have a swivel tail wheel of any kind, can you lock up one wheel while taxiing on the ramp and do a 360 degree turn on one wheel? If you have a "problem" there will be a solution. If you have a "situation" you most likely have inadequate brakes for the amount of full power engine thrust. If you determine that's not a safety issue get out and fly. The only fix for a "situation" would be an entirely different and adequate bake system. Thirty three years of troubleshooting taught me to first identify exactly what appears to be wrong and what I'm trying to fix. Good luck... Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> Prop balancing and analyzer
I now have full access to a dynamic prop balancer and I will be balancing my prop on Monday. I will ask my friend if I can bring it to the meeting this coming month if there is interest. the unit is a Dynavibe Classic in case someone is familiar with the unit and could demonstrate its use. Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> ADS-B in
This is the unit that I have... I assembled from components sold on its website. I love it and have no issues with it. Luis R Claudio On Monday, August 1, 2022 at 07:10:02 PM CDT, Jeff Scott via KRnet wrote: It's the same thing. Just assembled by a reseller. You can flash it with the same software as the Stratux and it will magically appear as a Stratux. -Jeff > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2022 at 7:03 PM > From: "Flesner via KRnet" > To: krnet@list.krnet.org > Cc: "Flesner" > Subject: KRnet> ADS-B in > > > This looks like my Stratux but it is called Flightbox. Another > supplier? Friend looking for ADS-B in. Anyone have experience with > this unit? > > https://store.falkenavionics.com/products/flightbox-ads-b?variant=40656901069 > > Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Fwd: Introducing my KR2Ss
Congratulations Phillip. She looks fantastic. Send us some video of the engine running. Would love to see it... Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas On Friday, July 29, 2022 at 09:21:44 AM CDT, Mike Arnold via KRnet wrote: Didn't work on my android On Fri, Jul 29, 2022, 3:58 AM Phillip Matheson via KRnet wrote: I hope this worksMy now finished KR2Ss, with Continental Rolls Royce 0200A. Next is sorting very of airworthiness Phil Matheson Download AttachmentAvailable until 28 Aug 2022 Click to DownloadIMG_1209.MOV0 bytes Sent from my iPhone -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> SDS CPI Electronic Ignitions for Experimental engines
Sam Spanovich asked that I do a write-up on how I got my electronic ignition to work. The SDS CPI electronic ignitions that he and I are using in our KR2S VW engines are really a great piece of technology well worth looking into. Here is how I got my system to work... Though our systems are identical, Sam and I took different approaches as to "How to" install them. The difference between Sam's installation and mine was the location of the magnets and sensors. Sam placed his magnets and sensors in the rear of his engine, while mine are mounted in the front. Sam's installation made sense because he purchased his electronic ignition while his engine was still disassembled on his bench. This gave him the freedom to machine the necessary parts and place them in the back of his case. Conversely, my engine was already installed on my airplane with a dual magneto still attached... so this is where Sam and I parted ways as far as the "how to" do the installation. I must say that at this time, there were only two other installations of this type on a VW aircraft engine using the SDS CPI system. Sam's installation and a gentleman that had installed his on a Q2 with a Revmaster engine. Sam's setup would not work for me because of the reasons mentioned above, so I studied the Q2's installation. I liked the idea of using the propeller bolts to hold the magnets and his bracket design to hold the sensors; however, I did not want welds on my brackets. I made several cardboard mockups of brackets to study the best-supporting structure that would also be free of vibrations. This structure should also provide the necessary geometry to place my sensor within .068" from the magnets. These magnets were drilled onto the end of the propeller bolts in a pattern that offered the best timing solution for operating the engine...Several interactions later I was able to build a bracket that was vibration free and offered the best geometric solution for the flying magnets and sensors. The biggest problem left to solve was magnet sequencing (timing). I had to find a timing resolution between the magnets, the sensor, and the firing sequence of the engine (computer). The book had some great examples but those examples were for clockwise turning Lycoming, Continental, and Jabiru engines. My Revmaster turned counter-clockwise. I once again reached out to the Q2 guy but he said he didn't remember what he had used. The factory gave me some general solutions but I could not get them to work mainly because the propeller bolts are spaced 60° from each other,.and no other angular placement would work. So I studied the relationship between the magnet positions and the sensors. I needed magnet trigger #1 to fly past the sensor at approximately 90° from TDC. I knew that the computer would add 10° of advance. therefore the firing solution was to fire cylinder #1 at a cumulative delay of 100° from the sensor. As I said before, I could only set my magnets at 60° increments, I program the magnetic position on the computer to 90°. This translated into 60° actual and 30° theoretical. I then selected the bolt that was closest to TDC and I placed magnet trigger #1 there. By doing this TDC and trigger #1 were timed to each other. Every time trigger #1 passed the sensor, it triggered a delay of 90° plus 10° advance and the engine fired precisely at 10°BTDC. I then attached a timing light to tweak the timing and I settled at a magnet position of 104° from the sensor. I was ok with that because all of my settings were estimated positions and the timing light brought everything into sync. Presently, the system is working like a charm. My bracket is vibration free and solid as a rock. I am working with a machinist to fabricate a more permanent frame but for now, it.s working Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> My KR2S Idles for first time
Thank you, Sam. I will do a write-up on how I installed my system since I really put the word "Experimental" to full use... by the way, I apologize for mis-spelling your name. My bad... Luis On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 03:29:01 PM CDT, Samuel Spanovich wrote: Luis, congratulations! That is one smooth sounding engine! I was tickled when I noticed that you were using the SDS CPI ignition as well! Would you mind discussing where you mounted the Hall effect sensor for the three ignition magnets? I ended up drilling three holes into the flywheel and mounted the magnets on the flywheel; to mount the Hall effect sensor, I had to cut a piece out of the flywheel cover and ended up mounting mine basically at the 12:00 o’clock position on the flywheel, bolted into the crankcase (I unfortunately do not have any pictures of this due to having a new phone and losing all my old ones). I’m just curious if you have any lessons learned, or any better ways of mounting the sensor. Now that you are running the CPI, and the magneto drive is free’d up, if you ever encounter alternator problems or desire more amps (more than the standard Revmaster alternator), you now have the option to mount an automotive style alternator; it takes a little bit of drilling/tapping to make it work, but it is a much cheaper (and solid) alternative than purchasing another stator/coil type like Revmaster’s. I have a write up on John Bouyea’s website with a few pictures if you ever run into this problem. V/R Sam Sent from my iPhone On Jul 28, 2022, at 9:08 AM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: The ignition system on my engine is the same system Sam Spavonich used on his KR2S. It is a Dual SDS CPI electronic ignition system. This system does not require a magneto to start and has no moving mechanical parts. The total system cost me $1400. I also purchased an optional template to install the computers into my panel ($85) and two 3' extensions for the harnesses for $15... I am super excited about these units. SDS EM-5: CPI (sdsefi.com) Call and talk to Ross if you are interested. Tell him you are interested in the CPI units. Keep building... Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 09:23:01 AM CDT, dee david via KRnet wrote: Which ignition system did you use? How much is it? On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 1:18 AM Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: I finally got my engine to idle correctly without issues for the first time. I built this engine three years ago after I purchased it from a Q2 owner. I installed Revmaster 041 heads with stainless steel valves and then put the engine aside while I finished my work on my airplane... move forward three years and it was time to run the engine... Since I had installed a dual electronic ignition, which gave me a lot of trouble to install being that it was the third of its kind for a VW engine (Sam Spanovich has one), that took over a month. the aerocarb that I purchased about the same time as the engine, needed a lot of adjustments, I then found that the engine valves were never adjusted properly (by muah), and I found the right manifold loose. After a very frustrating three months of chasing down problems... the results are in, I hope you enjoy this short video KR2S Idles for the first time. | | | | | | | | | | | KR2S Idles for the first time. | | | Luis R Claudio KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> My KR2S Idles for first time
The ignition system on my engine is the same system Sam Spavonich used on his KR2S. It is a Dual SDS CPI electronic ignition system. This system does not require a magneto to start and has no moving mechanical parts. The total system cost me $1400. I also purchased an optional template to install the computers into my panel ($85) and two 3' extensions for the harnesses for $15... I am super excited about these units. SDS EM-5: CPI (sdsefi.com) Call and talk to Ross if you are interested. Tell him you are interested in the CPI units. Keep building... Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas On Thursday, July 28, 2022 at 09:23:01 AM CDT, dee david via KRnet wrote: Which ignition system did you use? How much is it? On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 1:18 AM Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: I finally got my engine to idle correctly without issues for the first time. I built this engine three years ago after I purchased it from a Q2 owner. I installed Revmaster 041 heads with stainless steel valves and then put the engine aside while I finished my work on my airplane... move forward three years and it was time to run the engine... Since I had installed a dual electronic ignition, which gave me a lot of trouble to install being that it was the third of its kind for a VW engine (Sam Spanovich has one), that took over a month. the aerocarb that I purchased about the same time as the engine, needed a lot of adjustments, I then found that the engine valves were never adjusted properly (by muah), and I found the right manifold loose. After a very frustrating three months of chasing down problems... the results are in, I hope you enjoy this short video KR2S Idles for the first time. | | | | | | | | | | | KR2S Idles for the first time. | | | Luis R Claudio KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> My KR2S Idles for first time
This weekend I will spend doing a taxi test so I can get used to the steering. After I am confident with steering, then I can take her to the runway for high speed test and flight. I will let you know, would love to have you here. Luis On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 11:27:19 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu wrote: Congrats Luis! Your engine sounds like music to my ears! Have you tried the engine sound & behavior at full throttle as well?! I would rather hear the steady & nice sound at full throttle for an extended period of time! Any plans for the first take off during this coming weekend? I may be able to drive over to Dallas and to help recording your first flight on vedo cheers, Dr. Hsu On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 11:18 PM Luis Claudio wrote: I finally got my engine to idle correctly without issues for the first time. I built this engine three years ago after I purchased it from a Q2 owner. I installed Revmaster 041 heads with stainless steel valves and then put the engine aside while I finished my work on my airplane... move forward three years and it was time to run the engine... Since I had installed a dual electronic ignition, which gave me a lot of trouble to install being that it was the third of its kind for a VW engine (Sam Spanovich has one), that took over a month. the aerocarb that I purchased about the same time as the engine, needed a lot of adjustments, I then found that the engine valves were never adjusted properly (by muah), and I found the right manifold loose. After a very frustrating three months of chasing down problems... the results are in, I hope you enjoy this short video KR2S Idles for the first time. | | | | | | | | | | | KR2S Idles for the first time. | | | Luis R Claudio KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> My KR2S Idles for first time
Thanks, John... moving towards that finish line fast. I got places to go come September On Wednesday, July 27, 2022 at 03:21:02 PM CDT, wrote: Luis, Congrats! Hearing your engine run smoothly at an idle is a uniquely satisfying experience. I shot video when I got both of my Revmasters running at idle. Check that item off your “completed” list. And continue your march to the finish line; your first take-off! Well done. John Bouyea / OR81/ Hillsboro, OR N133RM KR-2S – imported, fixed & flying www.bouyea.net/N133RM >>I finally got my engine to idle correctly without issues for the first time. -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
KRnet> My KR2S Idles for first time
I finally got my engine to idle correctly without issues for the first time. I built this engine three years ago after I purchased it from a Q2 owner. I installed Revmaster 041 heads with stainless steel valves and then put the engine aside while I finished my work on my airplane... move forward three years and it was time to run the engine... Since I had installed a dual electronic ignition, which gave me a lot of trouble to install being that it was the third of its kind for a VW engine (Sam Spanovich has one), that took over a month. the aerocarb that I purchased about the same time as the engine, needed a lot of adjustments, I then found that the engine valves were never adjusted properly (by muah), and I found the right manifold loose. After a very frustrating three months of chasing down problems... the results are in, I hope you enjoy this short video KR2S Idles for the first time. | | | | | | | | | | | KR2S Idles for the first time. | | | Luis R Claudio KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
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Sam that is an awesome story as I am about to put my KR to the air... Thanks for sharing Luis R Claudio KR2S N8981S Dallas, Texas On Sunday, July 17, 2022 at 04:51:12 AM CDT, Samuel Spanovich via KRnet wrote: My first time flying my KR2S was back in 2018, about a week after I purchased the plane and towed it on a trailer to its home in Mississippi. This was fairly early on in my flying career (~200 hours or so) and I certainly was a little intimidated at the new bird. After all, the KR2 is known to be a sporty little thing, that is a little sensitive in pitch, and I figured it would be a massive leap from flying a 172 (what I got my PPL in). I took about a week to get the wings on, start it up, and taxi it around on the ground. I even did some high-speed taxi testing on the runway to try to get a feel of how the differential brakes handled (again something I’ve never used before). One day, while getting ready to perform another high speed taxi test, I figured I’d run up the engine a little bit more than usual to see how much it would put me in the back of the seat. I ran the little Revmaster up (which was bone stock at the time), and started seeing 20 mph. Then 30 mph. Then 40. Before I could blink, 50 mph. Better start slowing down, I told myself. Nah, keep going. 60 mph Better do it now. Keep going!!! The heck with taxi’d testingI’m going flying. 80 mph - rotate. At that point, I pulled the stick back and had my first flight in a KR, and it didn’t take me long to realize what a great bird it was and how well it flew. The engine ran nice and smooth, the weather was gorgeous, and despite what I had read, it didn’t seem to be too overly sensitive in pitch. I did notice that the plane performed a little differently than a Cessna 172. Roll rate was quicker, climb rate was slightly higher, but most importantly, the ride quality was much, MUCH more of a roller coaster ride. While the 172 I had been trained on would handle most bumps with relative ease, my first flight in the KR2 felt like I was on a buckin’ bronco. The 80-90F temperatures in the south didn’t help. Still though, I wasn’t scared or even remotely discouraged; honestly I just embraced it. I had my own airplane, flying high in the sky, with just me, with almost no clouds in the sky, enjoying the beautiful scenery that Mississippi has to offer. I cruised around for about an hour, enjoying the sights, listening to the little engine purr like a kitten, and taking in that I was now officially a true aircraft owner. However it eventually hit me that I would have to get this thing on the ground, and that I had a total of zero landings in this airplane; I dialed up the tower for Key Field and requested to perform touch and goes for Runway 1 (which is a 10,000 foot long runway, much shorter than their 4K foot runway primarily used for GA traffic). The reply I got back from them was nothing short of hilarious; “Experimental 6399URogerreportum report a left downwind for Runway 1”. I’m pretty sure the thought such a small aircraft requiring that long of a runway absolutely blew their minds, but I wasn’t sure just how far down the plane would float, and I wanted to have every inch of runway available in case things got squirrely, especially for my first time. I recalled what the seller had told me when I bought the plane: “it’s speeds are very similar to a 172, you climbout about 80-90 mph and come in over the numbers around 80 mph”. I figured I would add 10 mph for my first time, and saw 90 mph over the numbers before I pulled power back. WOW did I float down the runway. I definitely was glad I had that 10,000’ runway because I’m pretty certain I didn’t touch down until about the 5-6k board. I immediately retracted the speed brakes and off again I went. I did about 4x more landings, each time floating significantly less and less, before making a full stop, then proceeding to go into the FBO to have some ice cream and hot dogs. At this point I called my wife, and explained to her that I had taken the plane flying (when I left the house I had no intention of flying, just more ground testing), so when I told her that I had landed in Key Field (just 15 minutes from our house), she immediately got in the car to come see me and come check out the little bird in action. While she didn’t end up going flying with me that particular day, I did get to show off a little bit on my next takeoff going back to my home field; taking off again on the 10,000 foot runway, and staying in ground effect about 10-20 feet off the ground, until reaching the end of the runway, then pulling back the stick to begin climbing out. I’m fairly certain I saw 120-130 mph on the airspeed by the time I reached the end of the runway. When I finally returned to my home field, the landing was uneventful and by far the smoothest one I had out of the 5 that day.
Re: KRnet> Anybody Want to take home a KR2S at the gathering? N6399U for sale.
Sam: She looks beautiful. I hate to see you sell it I sincerely hope it goes to a good home. Great job on this airplane Luis R Claudio KR2S N8981S On Sunday, July 10, 2022 at 04:28:12 PM CDT, Samuel Spanovich via KRnet wrote: I am selling N6399U, and what better place to show my beloved bird than at a gathering of it’s own. KR2S RAF48 Stock plans: not widened, etc. Empty Weight - ~650 lbs (plate says 636) Gross Weight - 1150 lbs 12 gallons of fuel Revmaster 2100 94mm cylinders CB 2232 Camshaft SDS CPI ignition - no magneto 60 amp automotive alternator AA Cylinder Heads (recently replaced) - big valve heads. Q2 4-1 Exhaust Sterba 56x56” propeller (2800-2900 static) RV Tri-Gear Wheel Pants ~122 knots TAS cruise 2800-2900 RPM Climbout - 800-900 FPM Solo, 500-600 fpm Gross Fuel Burn: 4.5-5 gph Range - 220-250 NM (winds dependent) Airspeed Indicator Altimeter Compass Handheld Radio (replaced panel mounted one a few years back) EGT/Oil Press/Oil Temp/ Volts 4x CHT (one for every cylinder). Single stick Price: asking $17000, will negotiable. Notes: AA heads were just installed to replace my old MOFOCO 041 heads. Currently experiencing fairly high CHTs, however I suspect my baffling needs updated and I plan to fix this with the installation of plenums BEFORE the gathering Currently, the cylinder heads only have one spark plug hole, so I am running single ignition, however if you choose to have a 2nd spark plug hole installed, simply connecting the 2nd coil and adding spark plug wires (and plugs) will turn this into a dual ignition engine. 4x CHT gauges were just added to help better track my CHT Temperatures. Ultimately, I will have the plane in good enough shape that I will trust I flying 2000 miles from Washington. Have logbooks for engine, airframe, and a Revmaster manual. Although not installed, also included in the sale is a RAC Trim System ($300-400 value) for if you want to replace the spring system down the road. Additionally, a spare 4-1 exhaust is included as well. If there is any interest/serious offers, I can also likely have a condition inspection done in the month or August. Please email me at spanovich...@gmail.com or text 304-276-2756 if you have any additional questions or are interested! I will be in Las Vegas Nevada until the 29th so I can’t take any real time pictures at the moment (only what is on my phone), however I have tried to attach a few! Very Respectfully Sam Spanovich Sent from my iPhone-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Things that fail
I think these discussions are healthy and welcoming. I read them and go "hmmm" then I make my own decisions. I have been flying since 1966 when I took my first ride as a civil air patrol cadet in High School in a PA-22 108HP. As a student at Embry-Riddle, I was an understudy of Dr. Richie (RIP) a true pioneer in failure analysis (FMEA) of everything aviation-related. I understand failure modes, and most importantly how to mitigate the risk for each independent system or collectively (through risk priority number= severity x occurrence x detection...) I am also very familiar with E-Mags and other electronic ignitions which is why after careful consideration I chose a dual SDS ignition system. It wasn't by "gosh or by golly" that I arrived at my conclusion. Considering that my initial choice of ignition system was a Dual Bendix D3000 mag with a single failure mode (the main coupling), I asked what else is out there... and here is what I considered 1. A dual mag setup such as the aforementioned dual mag - Four points, four capacitors, one coupling = Total 5 points of failure minimum2. An independent mag with an electronic ignition driven by the timing gears - Minimum of four points of failure (points, capacitor, two couplings)3. An "E-Mag like" with an electronic ignition driven by the timing gears - Engine couplings = two points of failure (minimum) 4. Two independent electronic ignitions with no mechanical moving parts - dual independent battery backups - Component failure 5. Just screw it and go sailing... My most predictable component failure is the spark plugs. So moving forward I then wrote a proactive maintenance schedule in my POH and annotated it in my conditional inspection form to reduce the risk of component failure. Additionally, during my selection process, I prioritized the failure modes of each system, mechanical and electronic... from highest RPN to lowest RPN noting that it’s worth emphasizing that it’s nearly impossible to address every potential failure. Instead, I focused on addressing the potential failures that would most jeopardize the safe outcome of my flights and I chose from analysis and not from bells and whistles... just my rambling thoughts here trying to justify that $50K I spent on getting educated at Embry-Riddle back in the day... keep building Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 06:23:13 AM CDT, victor taylor via KRnet wrote: To answer Chris yes I do have a flying KR2 with a single electronic ignition though I was actually talking to Dan Diehl yesterday about adding a magneto for a backup. I do contract work for Velocity Aircraft as a pilot. We love electronic ignitions and put them on every airplane. They are the way to go and in the past have gone 100% electronic ignition but over time have had enough failures that we went back to having one mag. I also test fly new airplanes for M-Square who builds the Zenith CH-750 SLSA. I actually have had two electronic ignition failures with brand new aircraft there in the last couple of years. M-Square is still committed to 100% electronic at this point. Just to be clear I’m not knocking electronic ignitions nor their reliability. If you have dual electronic ignitions though you likely are relying on the same electrical system to run both systems. Up until four months ago I had never had a magneto failure in my 40 years of flying but recently I lost a magneto while ferrying a Grumman AA1A. Fortunately the other one got me to the nearest airport where a safe landing was made. There is a reason why aircraft manufacturers such as Velocity have reversed their positions on going 100% electronic. And that reason is failures in the past and accidents such as the one in Kissimmee. When Teladyne Continental first built their full FADEC engine system it kept experiencing total ignition failures in flight. After over a year of flight testing with multiple in flight failures yet not a single one in the test cell they finally got to the bottom of it. The problems was found to be the frequency that the US government uses to communicate with submarines was interfering with the FADAC system. The fix was simple by shielding the system. One of the functions of this group is to make the KR’s safer. That’s done by discussions and experience. Mostly bad experiences and I’ve personally had those bad experiences as a professional test pilot. All of us in this group look at canopy latches a little closer today than we did a year ago. Controls have gotten balanced, fifth bearings have been added to engines, fuel tanks are being moved to the wings etc. You would think that over the years we’ve fixed every possible failure point. Have we? It’s our duty in this group to be devils advocate at times and to point out past failures of similar systems. Victor > On Jul 8, 2022, at 00:24, John Gotschall via KRnet > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > Quite a bit of commenta
Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!
My thoughts exactly Chris... If I go, I want to go in a blaze of Glory... having survived Vietnam... I am on borrowed time anyway... but to Dr. Hsu's question on reliability, here is what I know... Racetech/SDS has been selling EIs to the aviation market since 1997 The factory claims that One ECU (computer module) on a test bench ran for over 145,000 hours continuously with no problems. Unmatched reliability is proven in over 20 million hours and 850,000 flight hours using their units worldwide... I think I made a good choice for my KR's ignition. On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 11:36:58 PM CDT, Chris Pryce via KRnet wrote: I hate to be that guy but I have to ask the question after seeing multiple negative posts: Do you have a flying KR or even a flying airplane at all? All I've seen the past couple of days is negative commentary. I've flown 200 hours in a little over two years with Lowes lawn and garden parts, no magnetos and no issues. We are here to experiment with our experimentals. There is always risk. If you don't accept any risk you will never fly. We all make the decision of what is our personal level of risk and operate accordingly. Can I crash and die? Yes. Could I die driving on my way to work? Yes. Personally, I'd rather go in a blaze of glory doing something I love. Keep on building, love the process, and enjoy the fruits of your labor. Chris PryceVacaville, CA On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 21:12 Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet wrote: hey Victor & Luis, That's what would happen to us if redundant systems are made of the same component with identical design! In highly sophisticated engineering system, one should never say "that's impossible or unlikely to happen". I understand all the pros for the Electronic ignition system that Luis listed, however I would not feel confident if the two redundant Electronic ignition modules are identical component. Yes, two independent power supply with separate batteries do contribute on risk reduction, but that might be not good enough to offset the "CCF" (common cause or common mode failures) contribution to risk of losing the system during flight Do you have some test or reliability data on the SDS CP1 module from the vendor? I will feel better if the failure rate is in the range below 1E-4?! Best of luck! Dr. Hsu On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 8:08 PM victor taylor via KRnet wrote: Hey Luis, At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner with a Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual electronic ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said absolutely not and went on to say that there was no way both systems could fail at once. Four months later he and his wife were coming out of Kissimmee Florida and both systems failed within a minute of each other. It totaled the aircraft and put them both in the hospital for over three months each. He is now building another Velocity that will have one mag and one electronic ignition. Your system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are definitely old technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that dual mags are highly reliable. At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft with automotive based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not quiet as safe as a certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How much “experimental” we want to fly our families in is what it all boils down to. Victor Taylor CFII On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet wrote: In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the road today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has outlined, yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in operation. Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of electronic systems is in a whole different ball park to mechanical systems. Of course the failure modes are different too, and regardless of which system(s) one chooses it's essential to understand and address how they might let you down. TK On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1 electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors my manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best engine performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of points or capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know "Hell")... Consider this"1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not drift from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear2. Each independent computer controls an in
Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!
I know of a crap load of airplanes with a full complement of mags and they go down too... If you fly, there is the chance of a malfunction, and yet we fly. On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 08:07:47 PM CDT, victor taylor via KRnet wrote: Hey Luis, At Velocity we still keep one magneto on all our aircraft. I had dinner with a Velocity owner who had dual batteries, dual alternators and dual electronic ignition. I suggested that he have one magneto and he said absolutely not and went on to say that there was no way both systems could fail at once. Four months later he and his wife were coming out of Kissimmee Florida and both systems failed within a minute of each other. It totaled the aircraft and put them both in the hospital for over three months each. He is now building another Velocity that will have one mag and one electronic ignition. Your system is unlikely to fail but it’s not impossible. Magnetos are definitely old technology and way less efficient. But time has proven that dual mags are highly reliable. At the end of the day we are flying home made wooden aircraft with automotive based engines on many of them. It’s relatively safe but not quiet as safe as a certified aircraft with that 60 year old technology. How much “experimental” we want to fly our families in is what it all boils down to. Victor Taylor CFII On Jul 7, 2022, at 19:09, Tony King via KRnet wrote: In addition to all the points Luis has made, pretty much every car on the road today has electronic ignition, with far less redundancy than Luis has outlined, yet ignition failures are quite rare given the number of units in operation. Whilst there may be more complexity, the reliability of electronic systems is in a whole different ball park to mechanical systems. Of course the failure modes are different too, and regardless of which system(s) one chooses it's essential to understand and address how they might let you down. TK On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 09:21, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1 electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors my manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best engine performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of points or capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know "Hell")... Consider this"1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not drift from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear2. Each independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs (4 upper and 4 lower)3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer compensates by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance. 4. Two completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the other as backup.5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul6. No moving parts in the whole system... none7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your engine for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold pressure. 8. Lean of peak adjustments extracts all possible energy from the fuel, picking up a few extra knots which are lost running leaner mixtures.9. Low current draw, long spark duration, 4 cylinder coil pack and controller draw about 1.2 amps at 2500 RPM. and there you have it... Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!
Dr. HSU, oh ye of little faith... I do suggest you look into the "SDS CP1 electronic ignition systems". It means that I have dual independent power sources for controlling each independent timing computer with automatic customization for RPM and load (manifold pressure). The computer monitors my manifold pressure and smooths out the engine timing to give you the best engine performance on your climb or cruise. You are always one set of points or capacitor failure before your engine goes to hades... (you know "Hell")... Consider this"1. The engine timing with an electronic ignition system does not drift from the setpoint since there is no mechanical wear and tear2. Each independent computer controls an independent bank of spark plugs (4 upper and 4 lower)3. You can customize the power curve so as you climb, the computer compensates by adjusting your engine's timing for the best performance. 4. Two completely independent batteries, one acting as primary, and the other as backup.5. No mandatory 500 hr overhaul6. No moving parts in the whole system... none7. Each computer is capable of advancing or retarding the timing of your engine for best economy or to prevent detonation based on manifold pressure. 8. Lean of peak adjustments extracts all possible energy from the fuel, picking up a few extra knots which are lost running leaner mixtures.9. Low current draw, long spark duration, 4 cylinder coil pack and controller draw about 1.2 amps at 2500 RPM. and there you have it... Luis On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 12:29:13 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu wrote: No magneto anymore on your bird, Luis? Well, I understand you may have dual or triple SDS Electronic Ignition, but it's NOT the same as far as reliability is concerned!!! I would much rather use a redundant ignition system each with completely different design. Think about what's going to happen if you were to suffer from a loss of electrical power event...?! Dr. Hsu On Thu, Jul 7, 2022, 9:30 AM Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: I have dual SDS Electronic Ignition, no magneto. I removed the D3000 Dual mag. I had sent it off to be overhauled and when I got it back I had second thoughts about using it. So I spent the money and bought the electronic one... I love it. On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 08:46:10 AM CDT, svd via KRnet wrote: Congrats Luis! What are you using for ignition? Cheers,Owen On Jul 6, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Ok Dr Hsu... this collection of lawn and garden parts is ready to fly, Come fly with me hahaha... Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 03:25:44 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet wrote: Indeed Roger! It hurts really badly just to think about how things could suddenly be turning straight at a 180 heading in just a bit over a year and half !!! Frankly, I had to put my flight training on a temporary hold due to the soaring 100LL fuel cost since early this year. Perhaps, it's time for some of us to start thinking of converting the KR2 into a first ever e-KR2?! It will be a huge success and historical significance if someone could manage to complete the 1st e-KR2 conversion and keep it in the air for 30 minutes or longer?! Seriously, if anyone wants to embark on this challenge for an e-KR2 conversion, please include me in the team and contact me for a "secret" type of battery that weights less than 15 lb (as compared to 33lb of a same capacity Concord 12V 330CA), and zero leakage on voltage after installed on my Piper PA-28 for two years with a full initial charge...! My Piper starts every single time with only one cranking regardless at -15F in the winter, or 110F in the summer ever since I took it down and throw the Concord battery in the recycle tank! Best of luck to all! Dr. Hsu On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 7:35 PM Roger wrote: And that is without cheese or the drink Roger Sent from my iPhone > > > I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price well > over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $ hamburger", > but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!! > > v/r, > > Dr. Hsu -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!
I have dual SDS Electronic Ignition, no magneto. I removed the D3000 Dual mag. I had sent it off to be overhauled and when I got it back I had second thoughts about using it. So I spent the money and bought the electronic one... I love it. On Thursday, July 7, 2022 at 08:46:10 AM CDT, svd via KRnet wrote: Congrats Luis! What are you using for ignition? Cheers,Owen On Jul 6, 2022, at 10:13 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Ok Dr Hsu... this collection of lawn and garden parts is ready to fly, Come fly with me hahaha... Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S On Wednesday, July 6, 2022 at 03:25:44 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet wrote: Indeed Roger! It hurts really badly just to think about how things could suddenly be turning straight at a 180 heading in just a bit over a year and half !!! Frankly, I had to put my flight training on a temporary hold due to the soaring 100LL fuel cost since early this year. Perhaps, it's time for some of us to start thinking of converting the KR2 into a first ever e-KR2?! It will be a huge success and historical significance if someone could manage to complete the 1st e-KR2 conversion and keep it in the air for 30 minutes or longer?! Seriously, if anyone wants to embark on this challenge for an e-KR2 conversion, please include me in the team and contact me for a "secret" type of battery that weights less than 15 lb (as compared to 33lb of a same capacity Concord 12V 330CA), and zero leakage on voltage after installed on my Piper PA-28 for two years with a full initial charge...! My Piper starts every single time with only one cranking regardless at -15F in the winter, or 110F in the summer ever since I took it down and throw the Concord battery in the recycle tank! Best of luck to all! Dr. Hsu On Tue, Jul 5, 2022, 7:35 PM Roger wrote: And that is without cheese or the drink Roger Sent from my iPhone > > > I am wondering how many are still flying these days with the gas price well > over $7 per gallon? We used to call it to fly for an "hundred $ hamburger", > but we must now call it $200 hamburger nowadays!! > > v/r, > > Dr. Hsu -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Fwd: KITPLANES Weekly
Congratulations to Chris, John, and the others featured in this article. Our
airplanes are super well represented and the storyline is also well
represented. Proud to be among the KR builders.
Luis R Claudio, KR2S N8981S
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| The KR at 50
Celebrating five decades of Ken Rand’s smooth, light, fast homebuilt.
The KR’sfoam-and-fiberglass compound curves revolutionized homebuilding and
inspired subsequent creations by designers.
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| Chris Pryce’s "KR-2S ish"
Chris Pryce, perhaps typically of many KR builders, describes his airplane as
a "KR-2 ish," in part because it’s actually a fair distance from the original
idea of the KR-2.
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| Meet KR2-S Owner John Bouyea
Bouyea, who is based at the Olinger Air Park near Hillsboro, Oregon, routinely
"flies off 2000 feet of grass. You can do that with this airplane; you just
have to be sure you hit your numbers."
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| A Celebration of KRs
I have to admit that the KR has never really had a prominent spot on my radar.
Certainly not for any negative reason. Mostly, I think, because the design was
in its heyday before I became interested in homebuilts. And like anything we
do, our earliest experience tends to be highly influential.
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| Design Process: The Rudder
The fixed portion of the vertical tail of an airplane provides directional
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| Two Paralyzed Pilots Take to The Skies
Justin Falls is a quadriplegic pilot who learned to fly with help from Able
Flight, a non-profit organization whose mission is to offer people with
physical disabilities an opportunity to learn to fly; an extremely rewarding
experience that may have once felt unachievable for people who use wheelchairs
due to a spinal cord injury.
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| Archive: May 1989
Randall Harris’ EAA Biplane was on our May 1989 cover in a paint scheme with
more than a passing resemblance to the Christen Eagle. The Eagle was, as you
may remember, the seminal homebuilt aerobatic biplane of the period, designed
to take up where the Pitts Special left off.
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| Subsonex 2 Kit Reservation Now Open
Sonex is now accepting kit reservation deposits for the SubSonex JSX-2T
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Re: KRnet> KR parts from Lawn & garden?!
Larry, you are giving away the secrets... If I answered his question, he would never come close to my airplane...Very few parts are actually aircraft quality parts... well the AN hardware definitely, but my flaps actuator came from a wheelchair, and my rudder pedals are aluminum channels cut to shape... my seat brackets come from caster wheel frames, Strobes are eBay brake lights... no Dr. Hsu, you don't want to know... hahaha Cheers Luis R Claudio On Monday, July 4, 2022 at 06:57:20 PM CDT, Flesner via KRnet wrote: On 7/4/2022 6:47 PM, Flesner via KRnet wrote: > > Dr. Hsu, > > Airplane parts are where you find them. If a lawn tractor battery is > a concern, you probably don't want to ask me for a ride even though I > use a PC-680. > > Larry Flesner > After all, I'm not one to "cut corners". (those fuel caps are homemade vented caps, cork seal / nylon barb fitting in top above vent holes to make water proof) Larry Flesner -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> (no subject)
My main battery is aI a lawn and garden battery... 12V 325AH Purchased at Batteries Plus On Friday, July 1, 2022 at 10:06:31 PM CDT, Lulubelle Pitts via KRnet wrote: What kind of battery do you KR ers use with a VW engine - a motorcycle battery? Thanks. a new KR guy. 😀-- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Pretty quiet out there...
Congratulations John... that D100 will surely give you some breathing room behind the panel... my whole panel is so much shorter than trying to go with steam gauges. I ripped out all of my Molex connectors and went with DB-9 and DB-15 connectors that gave me a much better electro-mechanical connection between sensors, switches and components. I agree with you... keep building Luis On Sunday, May 8, 2022, 11:38:03 PM CDT, Myron Freeman via KRnet wrote: Well I'm waiting to get out of the hospital tomorrow, unexpected health problem.Told me it doesn't look life threatening but could be serious, no definitive diagnosis yet. But looking like bone morrow problem. Told me it is totally treatable. On Mon, May 9, 2022, 12:11 AM wrote: I hope everyone has been busy building. Or in my case, rebuilding. Just to keep the list moving along, I’ll send a photo of my newest panel revision; a swap of the Dynon EFIS from a D10A to a D100. It’s hard for me to believe but the cockpit feels bigger without the D10A protruding back from the instrument panel. The nicest part of the upgrade was it is totally turnkey; the same cable unplugged from the old and directly into the new. Ok, back to the shop to replace the torn sling seat fabric… John Bouyea N133RM KR-2S – imported, fixed & flying www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/N133RM OR81/ Hillsboro, OR -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> from The Kr Facebook group
I agree with Larry... it was a group effort. The builders, the contributors, the whole community... it was awesome and now we should enjoy the fruits of our labor. See you all in September... Luis On Friday, April 29, 2022, 08:08:41 PM CDT, G R Pickett via KRnet wrote: AB-Sol-utely!!! Thanks and what a great job, guys. Griff P N141GP KR2 -Original Message- From: KRnet On Behalf Of Rick Human via KRnet Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 6:53 PM To: KrNet Cc: Rick Human Subject: KRnet> from The Kr Facebook group "Marc Cook ·Hello fans, friends, flyers of the KR airplanes. We at KITPLANES are working on a large feature story to celebrate the 50th anniversary of Ken Rand's design,and we're looking for photos of your airplanes or projects, and perhaps a few words on why you chose the KR. (Or maybe why it chose you!) Please send submissions to editor...@kitplanes.com, and thanks!" Looks like Larry and Luis's hard work got some results!! Congrats guys!! Rick Human N202RH -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flist.krnet.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fkrnet&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cfbb42b7add7348eb0eaa08da2a3b63a3%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637868731850088292%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=vUxH524knqqfmr1dcbhiW0HVbkLaVckcO4hH4O3bfkQ%3D&reserved=0 -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> KR Gathering - Latest Registrations
John, please change the location of the gathering. You message above cites Lee's Summit. Best regards Luis On Saturday, April 9, 2022, 12:32:05 PM CDT, k...@bouyea.net wrote: Welcome to Ed, Luis, Ray & Robert, the latest people to sign up to attend the 2022 KR Gathering (http://krgathering.net/web_pages/AttendeeList.htm) event Sept 8-11 in Lee’s Summit, IL. As a reminder, this year our Gathering will run at the same time as the Light Sport Expo (https://www.midwestlsaexpo.com), all hosted by the incomparable Chris Collins, airport manager. When you make your plans for the Gathering, you’ll be able to see the KR folks as well as see a bunch of LSA airplanes, vendors and fans. This should make for a very entertaining and educational event. As always, there is no fee to attend the KR Gathering. Your registering in advance just allows you to pre-order Pro Shop apparel if you’d like. Thanks to Larry Flesner to handing the details of our awards as well as caps & shirts for those who’d like to buy them. And remember 2022 is the 50th Anniversary since the KR was introduced. EAA Oshkosh is planning on a special recognition during the AirVenture event (https://www.eaa.org/airventure) as well. It’s going to be a busy summer. Please make your plans now to attend one of both of these events! John Bouyea N133RM KR-2S – imported, fixed & flying www.bouyea.net/cur_proj/N133RM OR81/ Hillsboro, OR -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S
That is an awesome testimony of what these things do... being an old military helicopter pilot I still fly low and circle the water towers and read the names on the tower then climb and locate myself on the maps... dangerous in a plane but effective... just saying On Monday, March 21, 2022, 02:03:14 PM CDT, James McGauhey via KRnet wrote: I fly a Dynon Skyview in Zenith CH-650. I was going to build a KR when this opportunity came up and 3 others joined me to share costs and build. Built from 2015 to 2017, flew WA to OSH in 2017 and 2019. This was 2019 event. Highly unlikely, but great to have Dynon and Nrst shows closest airports and some details, then just push Direct and flight plan is loaded and Load frequencies into radio. All with just pushing buttons quickly, no dialing or looking things up. Less than 30 seconds and I have heading and frequencies set. https://www.facebook.com/jmcgauhey/posts/10219488566378380 I always have a backup hard copy sectional in the plane. I figure for $8.25 every 3 months it’s cheap insurance. I’ll practice once in a while and in WA I’m lucky to have mountains and high points. Quickest way I found to locate myself is to see a peak, say at 10:00, then look for another landmark about 90 degrees, like a bend in river or something. Draw lines back to my location and X marks the spot, or close enough. It’s fast, easy, and no reliance on electronics. But electronics are great when they work. The Dynon gives me real time weather and TFR’s on the moving map. Like returning in 2017 along Interstate 90 over Cascades when a red dot suddenly appeared in my flight path in front of me. Took me a second to realize it was a pop-up TFR forest fire area. If I only had briefing 2 hrs ago before take-off I would have missed that. Just had to deviate a couple miles and go around the TFR. A round airspeed gauge gives you airspeed. The Dynon gives me airspeed, under that true airspeed, under that gps over the ground speed, under that wind speed and direction, and under that crosswind component. Get all that from a round gauge!! Or even a tablet. Love the Dynon! Jim McGauhey WA From: KRnet On Behalf Of Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet Sent: Monday, March 21, 2022 11:24 AM To: KRnet Cc: Dr. Feng Hsu Subject: Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S Luis， I would still recommend to bring a sectional chart in the cockpit whenever you flying (even with your kind of modern avionics installed), as you cannot rely on electronics completely for VFR navigation. Yes, you may well have two independent GPS sources but a "solar wind" burst or a MMOD debris strike can easily knock out a satellite or a number of satellites in no time, needless to mention the possibility of one of our GPS sat to be disabled by adversarial act in earth orbit. And the likelihood of such an event is not extremely remote at all, given the bad situation unfolding in Ukraine Safety first my friend! Dr. Hsu On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:53 PM Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Michael I took your picture and put it up next to mine and its really amazing how these things have changed aviation. There is a sense of complacency in the electronic gadgets, I still have two independent GPS sources, my ADS-B and a AvMap IV which has its own GPS and power supply, I might get lost but I will be the best informed lost guy in the air... Luis On Monday, March 21, 2022, 12:14:22 PM CDT, Michael Quinn via KRnet wrote: I started flying the magenta line - and got a "blip" where I had lost my ADSB-in!!! I was completely lost for about 5 min (that is a LONG TIME in the air!). I was so rusty on dialing my VORs (what is left of them) - and landed up getting some altitude and doing some dead reconning I now carry paper maps (abet expired) will at least get me on the ground safely (I hope). Love electronics - but man does it spoil you!!! And the loss of that weight forward of CG Need to go back to one of my older panels!!! (I really need to weigh that sucker - it HAS to be 50 lbs!) M. From: KRnet on behalf of Luis Claudio via KRnet Sent: Monday, March 21, 2022 1:35 AM To: krnet@list.krnet.org ; G R Pickett Cc: Luis Claudio Subject: Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S I agree on the blue lights... regarding the screens... you can either buy the harnesses or make them yourself... then it's just a matter of plug and play. You will still have to run your sensors from the engine compartment to the screen harnesses, but you have to do that no matter what. The real treasure in these screens is the ability to do data manipulation of your flight. Fuel calculations and usages, performance and other parameters of flight. In my case there is also the cheap addition of an autopilot which when fully set up will be priceless another advantage is weight reduction and space savin
Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S
Valid point. Reading the map will be your job Dr. Hsu. I fly, you navigate... that should work. Luis On Monday, March 21, 2022, 01:24:04 PM CDT, Dr. Feng Hsu wrote: Luis， I would still recommend to bring a sectional chart in the cockpit whenever you flying (even with your kind of modern avionics installed), as you cannot rely on electronics completely for VFR navigation. Yes, you may well have two independent GPS sources but a "solar wind" burst or a MMOD debris strike can easily knock out a satellite or a number of satellites in no time, needless to mention the possibility of one of our GPS sat to be disabled by adversarial act in earth orbit. And the likelihood of such an event is not extremely remote at all, given the bad situation unfolding in Ukraine Safety first my friend! Dr. Hsu On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:53 PM Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Michael I took your picture and put it up next to mine and its really amazing how these things have changed aviation. There is a sense of complacency in the electronic gadgets, I still have two independent GPS sources, my ADS-B and a AvMap IV which has its own GPS and power supply, I might get lost but I will be the best informed lost guy in the air... Luis On Monday, March 21, 2022, 12:14:22 PM CDT, Michael Quinn via KRnet wrote: I started flying the magenta line - and got a "blip" where I had lost my ADSB-in!!! I was completely lost for about 5 min (that is a LONG TIME in the air!). I was so rusty on dialing my VORs (what is left of them) - and landed up getting some altitude and doing some dead reconning I now carry paper maps (abet expired) will at least get me on the ground safely (I hope). Love electronics - but man does it spoil you!!! And the loss of that weight forward of CG Need to go back to one of my older panels!!! (I really need to weigh that sucker - it HAS to be 50 lbs!) M. From: KRnet on behalf of Luis Claudio via KRnet Sent: Monday, March 21, 2022 1:35 AM To: krnet@list.krnet.org ; G R Pickett Cc: Luis Claudio Subject: Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S I agree on the blue lights... regarding the screens... you can either buy the harnesses or make them yourself... then it's just a matter of plug and play. You will still have to run your sensors from the engine compartment to the screen harnesses, but you have to do that no matter what. The real treasure in these screens is the ability to do data manipulation of your flight. Fuel calculations and usages, performance and other parameters of flight. In my case there is also the cheap addition of an autopilot which when fully set up will be priceless another advantage is weight reduction and space savings. My screens are less then 4" deep. Then there is the weight... an artificial horizon weights more than all of my screens combined. The backup battery for the screens is a small Duracell that fits just about anywhere and is good for about two hours depending on which one you buy. As Larry would say, your results may vary. On Sunday, March 20, 2022, 10:24:54 PM CDT, G R Pickett wrote: Now you’ve got me wanting a glass panel in my KR2! Would you think it’s easier or harder than steam gauges to install? Oh, and Joe’s comment about blue lights for night flight: Blue seems terribly bright in a cockpit that’s all red and orange. I have a USB that plugs into my Cessna’s lighter that is blinding blue when charging my tablet. My KR will definitely have rheostats for every light in it! Griff From: KRnet On Behalf Of Luis Claudio via KRnet Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 10:27 AM To: KRnet Cc: Luis Claudio Subject: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S Just wanted to share a photo of my panel. I just finished it yesterday and will be installing back on the airplane today. After this, it's on to taxi test...I posted a video with the update on Rand Robinson's Facebook page. Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S
Michael I took your picture and put it up next to mine and its really amazing
how these things have changed aviation. There is a sense of complacency in the
electronic gadgets, I still have two independent GPS sources, my ADS-B and a
AvMap IV which has its own GPS and power supply, I might get lost but I will be
the best informed lost guy in the air...
Luis
On Monday, March 21, 2022, 12:14:22 PM CDT, Michael Quinn via KRnet
wrote:
#yiv6936452474 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}I started flying the magenta
line - and got a "blip" where I had lost my ADSB-in!!! I was completely lost
for about 5 min (that is a LONG TIME in the air!). I was so rusty on dialing
my VORs (what is left of them) - and landed up getting some altitude and doing
some dead reconning I now carry paper maps (abet expired) will at least
get me on the ground safely (I hope).
Love electronics - but man does it spoil you!!!
And the loss of that weight forward of CG Need to go back to one of my
older panels!!! (I really need to weigh that sucker - it HAS to be 50 lbs!)
M.
From: KRnet on behalf of Luis Claudio via KRnet
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2022 1:35 AM
To: krnet@list.krnet.org ; G R Pickett
Cc: Luis Claudio
Subject: Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S I agree on the blue lights...
regarding the screens... you can either buy the harnesses or make them
yourself... then it's just a matter of plug and play. You will still have to
run your sensors from the engine compartment to the screen harnesses, but you
have to do that no matter what. The real treasure in these screens is the
ability to do data manipulation of your flight. Fuel calculations and usages,
performance and other parameters of flight. In my case there is also the cheap
addition of an autopilot which when fully set up will be priceless another
advantage is weight reduction and space savings. My screens are less then 4"
deep. Then there is the weight... an artificial horizon weights more than all
of my screens combined. The backup battery for the screens is a small Duracell
that fits just about anywhere and is good for about two hours depending on
which one you buy.
As Larry would say, your results may vary.
On Sunday, March 20, 2022, 10:24:54 PM CDT, G R Pickett
wrote:
Now you’ve got me wanting a glass panel in my KR2! Would you think it’s easier
or harder than steam gauges to install?
Oh, and Joe’s comment about blue lights for night flight: Blue seems terribly
bright in a cockpit that’s all red and orange. I have a USB that plugs into my
Cessna’s lighter that is blinding blue when charging my tablet. My KR will
definitely have rheostats for every light in it!
Griff
From: KRnet On Behalf Of Luis Claudio via KRnet
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 10:27 AM
To: KRnet
Cc: Luis Claudio
Subject: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S
Just wanted to share a photo of my panel. I just finished it yesterday and will
be installing back on the airplane today. After this, it's on to taxi test...I
posted a video with the update on Rand Robinson's Facebook page.
Luis
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Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S
Wow I did not know they were so far behind... I have a source for more D100 and EMS 120 from a flight school that is upgrading their Piper Sports to Skyview but if this is the case it may not happen soon. But if it does happen, I'll post it so we can get first dibs on it... Luis On Monday, March 21, 2022, 06:51:07 AM CDT, n357cj wrote: Nice, I tried to order a skyview a couple weeks ago and talked to Dann at the factory and he told me they don't expect to have the materials for skyview until early 2023. So i am moving on to something else...Joe Horton80% on DR. Dean plane (I need to get a number picked) From: Luis To: KRnet Cc: Luis Date: Sunday, 20 March 2022 11:27 AM EDT Subject: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S Just wanted to share a photo of my panel. I just finished it yesterday and will be installing back on the airplane today. After this, it's on to taxi test...I posted a video with the update on Rand Robinson's Facebook page. Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S
I agree on the blue lights... regarding the screens... you can either buy the harnesses or make them yourself... then it's just a matter of plug and play. You will still have to run your sensors from the engine compartment to the screen harnesses, but you have to do that no matter what. The real treasure in these screens is the ability to do data manipulation of your flight. Fuel calculations and usages, performance and other parameters of flight. In my case there is also the cheap addition of an autopilot which when fully set up will be priceless another advantage is weight reduction and space savings. My screens are less then 4" deep. Then there is the weight... an artificial horizon weights more than all of my screens combined. The backup battery for the screens is a small Duracell that fits just about anywhere and is good for about two hours depending on which one you buy. As Larry would say, your results may vary. On Sunday, March 20, 2022, 10:24:54 PM CDT, G R Pickett wrote: Now you’ve got me wanting a glass panel in my KR2! Would you think it’s easier or harder than steam gauges to install? Oh, and Joe’s comment about blue lights for night flight: Blue seems terribly bright in a cockpit that’s all red and orange. I have a USB that plugs into my Cessna’s lighter that is blinding blue when charging my tablet. My KR will definitely have rheostats for every light in it! Griff From: KRnet On Behalf OfLuis Claudio via KRnet Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 10:27 AM To: KRnet Cc: Luis Claudio Subject: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S Just wanted to share a photo of my panel. I just finished it yesterday and will be installing back on the airplane today. After this, it's on to taxi test...I posted a video with the update on Rand Robinson's Facebook page. Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KRnet> Instrument Panel for my KR2S
No Dr. Hsu... I did some horse trading for the screens. My buddy upgraded to a Skyview, and I became creative in acquiring the used screens. I think we can arrange to have a good lunch with beverages on the way up to Mount Vernon.. On Sunday, March 20, 2022, 05:40:53 PM CDT, donald january via KRnet wrote: What a great set of screens On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 3:40 PM Dr. Feng Hsu via KRnet wrote: Wow, congratulations Luis! It looks great! This means that my ride to the next KR gathering this September in Illinois has just upgraded to "first class", right?! Hope the modern glass panels didn't break your wallet, didn't it?! Cheers! Dr. Hsu On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:27 AM Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: Just wanted to share a photo of my panel. I just finished it yesterday and will be installing back on the airplane today. After this, it's on to taxi test...I posted a video with the update on Rand Robinson's Facebook page. Luis -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet -- KRnet mailing list KRnet@list.krnet.org https://list.krnet.org/mailman/listinfo/krnet
Re: KR> Regulator wiring?
John this is the wire that I am using in wiring my instrument panel and engine
accessories including my voltage regulator and alternator. The Revmaster's
alternator for the 2100D is rated at 20 amps. You can downsize the ground by
one wire size if you want to... I am including an ampacity table for this wire
which is fire rated and can handle up to 600 Volts.
Luis
Mil-Spec ETFE Insulated Electric Wire (MIL-W-22759/16)
| Wire Size (AWG) | Current Rating* | Insulation Diameter (Inches) |
| 24 Gauge | 5.1 amps | 0.045" |
| 22 Gauge | 6.3 amps | 0.052" |
| 20 Gauge | 8.9 amps | 0.060" |
| 18 Gauge | 11.4 amps | 0.071" |
| 16 Gauge | 13.9 amps | 0.079" |
| 14 Gauge | 17.7 amps | 0.095" |
| 12 Gauge | 24.0 amps | 0.120" |
| 10 Gauge | 32.9 amps | 0.138"
|
On Wednesday, March 9, 2022, 07:46:26 PM CST, Flesner via KRnet
wrote:
On 3/9/2022 7:20 PM, John Bouyea wrote:
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What gauge wire works for the Revmaster D2100/2200 regulator ground?
John Bouyea
+++
Check this out. https://www.wirebarn.com/Wire-Calculator-_ep_41.html
Enter info in yellow, scroll down to bottom of the blue, hit "calculate" ,
read wire size and length in the blue.
Larry Flesner
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KR>Re: Dropbox
Thanks Larry and Mark On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 07:40:52 PM CST, Flesner wrote: On 2/22/2022 6:00 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: > I would hate to impose additional work on anyone let alone Mark or John, but >I am wondering (out loud) if we had access to a server that had the bandwidth >to share larger files. ++ I think Mark has expanded our options to an acceptable level. I'll not give the numbers without Mark's approval. Not sure why some files came through and others didn't but it was not for limited band width. Larry Flesner -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>Re: Dropbox
I would hate to impose additional work on anyone let alone Mark or John, but I am wondering (out loud) if we had access to a server that had the bandwidth to share larger files. Back in the day when we first started with the internet, files were smaller, Today, these things are a behemoth in comparison. Just thinking out loud. Luis On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 05:30:13 PM CST, Flesner wrote: I've tried sharing a number of photos using Dropbox but I suspect (told by one netter) that netters that don't have a Dropbox account hesitate to download the software / leave tracks (cookies) just to look at a photo. Thanks to Mark for increasing the size of attachments. I'm guessing most netters have a fast enough download to accommodate the change. Larry Flesner -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox
Jeff, you are most likely right regarding where I got the file from. It was several years ago that I downloaded it and have modified it every time I changed my mind as to how to design and operate the controls and instruments on my KR. I am on my third iteration of a total rebuild of my instrument panel. Dear lord when does it stop? I am going to make an assumption and say that we put those files online to share them... Keep building... Luis On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 02:57:03 PM CST, Flesner wrote: On 2/22/2022 2:52 PM, Flesner wrote: > I now have a digital copy in MS word. If anyone wants a copy shoot me > a post off net at flesner@ frontier.com and request. > > I'll try to attach a copy again. > > Larry Flesner + I was able to attach a photo but not a word doc. Go figure. Larry Flesner -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>Re: POH in Word Format in Dropbox
Larry what I did was posted a POH in Dropbox and if anyone needs one to copy and modify, it is there. It looks like the only way they can access it is to request a PM and I can send them the link. I saw what you had to do to get your checklist to come through but that is a lot of editing to reformulate. I wish there was a better way to share these things. Best wishes Luis R Claudio On Tuesday, February 22, 2022, 07:30:12 AM CST, Flesner wrote: On 2/21/2022 10:08 PM, Luis Claudio via KRnet wrote: > Ok here is a POH in word format. > POH Luis R Claudio.doc > > > | > | > | > | | | > > | > > | > | > | | > POH Luis R Claudio.doc > > Shared with Dropbox > | > > | > > | > +++ Luis, Something flaky going on with the net or with my computer. This is what came through. I'm not needing a POH for my use it was one of our net members. Larry -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>POH in Word Format in Dropbox
Ok here is a POH in word format. POH Luis R Claudio.doc | | | | | | | | | | | POH Luis R Claudio.doc Shared with Dropbox | | | -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>POH in Word Format
Larry, I just happened to have my POH 90% complete and it is in Word format. I got this POH from the KRnet but I don't remember exactly when or where. I say this cause I wanted to credit the author but honestly, I do not have that information. This is what I am putting together for my inspector... use it as you please. Luis R Claudio N8981S Dallas, Texas -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>Re: Free electrical drawing program -test
I save them as PDF and that way you can size them any way you want Luis On Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 06:03:33 PM CST, Flesner wrote: I've tried to include things like the electrical schematics in posts and they don't come through due to their size. I gave the Dropbox address but not everyone will use Dropbox because of "cookies" . Personally I like cookies, chocolate chip, my favorite. Anyway, I've tried downsizing to see if it goes through. Current size is 236 KB's. I'm using the schematic of my alternator output select switch as a test. You can see why learning and using the software Luis suggested might be a bit time consuming. I may play with it a bit for fun. Larry Flesner -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>Re: Fwd: Free electrical drawing program
Here is what my electronic switch drawing looks like. It's just an example, but as you said... it takes time to learn the program. Luis On Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 10:35:48 AM CST, Flesner wrote: On 2/2/2022 10:30 AM, Flesner wrote: > These are only the alternator output select to one or both batteries > and the speed brake switch. I'll probably enjoy the snow-in in my > recliner watching YouTube. Thanks for posting it anyway., > > Larry Flesner ++ Those didn't come through with the post. They can be seen at: https://www.dropbox.com/s/qdzlqjpwpe0fmnt/schematic%20001.jpg?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/x4e5wt0qaukev5y/speed%20brake%20switch%20001.jpg?dl=0 Larry Flesner -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ KR2-Electronic-Ignition (1).pdf Description: Adobe PDF document -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
KR>Re: Fwd: Free electrical drawing program
I am halfway through my electronic ignition diagrams. It's easier than hand drawing them cause I have to memorialize the circuits so the next time I have to troubleshoot I won't be sitting around scratching my head cause I know I will forget as soon as the last tie wrap is tied. Luis On Wednesday, February 2, 2022, 10:30:16 AM CST, Flesner wrote: Luis, I went to the web site and started to learn the software. After several minutes and several symbols inserted in to drawing I realized that I'll be 77 years old in two weeks and don't have the time to learn the software and re-do all the circuits in my KR like the ones here. These are only the alternator output select to one or both batteries and the speed brake switch. I'll probably enjoy the snow-in in my recliner watching YouTube. Thanks for posting it anyway., Larry Flesner -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/ -Please see LIST RULES and KRnet info at http://www.krnet.org/info.html -Change list delivery options at https://list.krnet.org/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ Affinity List Info Board -Search recent KRnet Archives at https://list.krnet.org/empathy/list/krnet.list.krnet.org/ -Search John Bouyea's decades of archive at https://www.mail-archive.com/krnet@list.krnet.org/
