KR> Great Plains Sale! Limited Time!!!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Just stumbled on this one...  If you are in the market for an engine or engine 
kit... check this out! http://www.greatplainsas.com/beetle2006web.pdf   
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KR> slick 4016 mags

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Can't really argue that logic, now, can you?  Only problem is I want a dual 
mag/plug setup.Thanks!Marc Lee Winnig  

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(801) 749-9460  FAX> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2006 05:55:17 -0500> From: 
chizmsupholst...@rogers.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: KR> slick 4016 
mags> > It's my understanding that Slick produced the throw away series Mags to 
produce a magneto that you could purchase for what it would cost you to 
overhaul one for and they're of the same quality as the later infield 
repairable ones. They weren't meant to be taken apart> 
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KR> Great Plains Sale! Limited Time!!!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Thanks.  I was not really looking at the Nickies.  Seemed there were some other 
useful deals there.  But then I really need to call them, as there are several 
things I need/want to change on my HAPI, and a couple they think I may need to 
do (crank I think comes to mind).  Not sure where to start and stop, but a call 
is a good place to start!Marc Lee Winnig  

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da...@alltel.net> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> Great Plains Sale!  
Limited Time!!!> > That is a great price on the Nikasil cylinders, but be aware 
that you need> to also change out your head studs and the new ones for the 
Nikasil are> expensive.  > > I also understand that you are better off with the 
94mm cylinders as the> 92mm are much too thin at the top, for the amount of 
heat that they have to> deal with.> > If you want to see what the real  
Nickies? like, and what they cost, check> out:> > 
http://www.lnengineering.com/index.html> > See N64KR at http://KRBuilder.org - 
Then click on the pics > See you at the 2007 - KR Gathering> There is a time 
for building and a time for FLYING and the time for Flying> has begun.> Daniel 
R. Heath - Lexington, SC> ---Original Message--->  >  > Just stumbled 
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KR> How about a 4016 magneto?

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Thanks.  Talked to Stever @ GP, and he said it is fine till it dies and then 
you toss it.Marc Lee Winnig

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crz...@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: KR> How about a 4016 magneto?> To: 
kr...@mylist.net> > Some A think that slick mags are junk and not worth> 
rebuilding. There is a shop in Dallas that will> rebuild all mags. There is an 
AD on the mags I don't> remember if it is you should or should not have a red> 
coil or maybe that is bendix with the bad coil.I don't> worry about it anymore 
because I bought new mags a> couple of years ago. If you really need to know go 
ask> an A to pull the ad's on that mag for you. It is a> very simple thing to 
do.> > > --- Marc Lee Winnig <mlwin...@hotmail.com> wrote:> > > > If I remember 
correctly the 4000 series Slick mags> > are throw away Mags   Sounds like I 
should just toss> > it now!  What do you suggest?  (I would like to go> > with 
a dual magneto/dual-plug setup anyway).  > > Thinking of calling GP, as 
they specifically say> > they can upgrade/rebuild my HAPI).  Thinking new> > 
dual plug heads are in the picture.Marc Lee> > Winnig   > > > > 
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KR> Props 3-blade on VW?

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So my 3-blade wooden prop needs to go EVEN IF the hubs are OK???   Marc Lee 
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RE: KR> Props> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 08:42:06 -0800> > Man! That's what I love 
about the "net," if I'm wrong about something> then someone out there will have 
the info to prove it usually. My humble> apologies Colin.> > Perhaps you are 
right about the VW not making enough torque to swing a> three blade, as you 
stated the trikes are using engines making much more> torque but I'm sure 
that's due to the reduction drives and the fact they> are spinning there little 
two stokes at twice the RPM, or more, than our> little reliable VW's or 
Corvair's. But then again we could put reduction> drives on our engines and 
make more torque and even use a metal or> composite propeller that could even 
be adjustable. But weight, costs and> complexity are all issues we must weigh 
in determining what's best for> our aircraft, right?> > So what are you 
suggesting?> > > > Fred Johnson> Reno, NV> > > > > > 
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KR> RE: Nikasil...

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Don't know about the finer points questioned here (like better overall designs, 
etc...) but I believe BMW cycles went to Nikasil in the 80's (or early 90's) 
for several reasons.  One was weight, but the primary was heat transfer.  It 
seems a lot is lost in the transfer from the linings to the heads, and this 
process eliminated this issue.  I am sure there are many technical papers, 
patents, etc., for those who wish to dive deeper.  Just not sure I need to go 
that far, but clearly it is the right technology, and while it may be new here, 
it is proven stuff!Also, I think rough EXTERIORS on castings increase surface 
area and help with heat dissipation, so smooth may not be good there.  On the 
inside oil flow must be optimized, thus highly polished interiors are usually 
desired.   Marc Lee Winnig   

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castings of the VW jugs  and thought the billet stuff would be better but this 
information far  exceeds what I would have expected. It looks like these jugs 
answer all of  the needs, more power, better heat disapation longer TBO and so 
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KR> RE:Mags, Dual plugs, GP upgrades, etc...

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Thanks Joe.  I may want to pick your brain a bit further.  Looks like I can 
save my engine and add the Diehl accessory setup, using by stock (but RIGID) 
mounts.  Better check the archives for rubber block engine mount retrofits???  
(Lycoming bushings won't fit with my mounts, Steve said!)  Marc Lee Winnig  
 

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KR> 150 HP KR?

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How fast will she go???   Marc Lee Winnig  

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KR> I'd like to talk!

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Brian,I like to talk to you when you have some time.  I think you have a pretty 
good handle on this stuff.  I almost bought a Sonerai but now have a KR-2 HAPI. 
 Trying to decide what to do to/with the engine.  I bet you have the answers.  
Also, curious about the KR vs. Sonerai.Let me know if you have some time free.  
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Subject: RE: KR> RE:  How about a 4016 magneto?> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 
22:03:17 -0500> > You are correct that they don't really benefit in power with 
dual ignition,> but it is more a function of redundancy than power.  On mine I 
could hardly> tell if there was a mag drop with either the mag or electronic 
turned off.> There was a very noticeable increase in smoothness at idle with 
the> electronic ignition and you could lower the idle speed without having the> 
engine stumble and die with the electronic.  Turn the mag off at idle and> you 
couldn't tell a difference, but turn off the electronic and you could.> I got 
the same results on the 2180 on my KR or the 1835 in the Sonerai.> > I think 
that the Great Plains way of doing the small plugs between the> pushrod tubes 
is the only way to go.  I have a Happi with the big second> plugs and a 
Revmaster the same way and both of them make it is miserable job> to change the 
secondary plugs, weaken the heads a lot more, and make the> engine more prone 
to oil leaks.> > Brian Kraut> Engineering Alternatives, Inc.> www.engalt.com> > 
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[mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On> Behalf Of Joe Beyer> Sent: Thursday, 
December 21, 2006 5:04 PM> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: KR> RE: How about a 
4016 magneto?> > > > If I remember correctly the 4000 series Slick mags are 
throw away Mags> Sounds like I should just toss it now!  What do >you suggest?  
(I would like> to go with a dual magneto/dual-plug setup anyway).   
Thinking of calling> GP, as they >specifically say they can upgrade/rebuild my 
HAPI).  Thinking> new dual plug heads are in the picture.Marc Lee Winnig> > 
> > I wouldn't run dual plugs in a VW. They don't benefit from dual point> 
ignition due to the shape of the combustion chamber and the fact that> drilling 
for an extra plug weakens the head. If you absolutely have to use> dual 
ignition (like in the UK)  then drill for a 12mm motorcycle plug and> use a 
helicoil. The combustion chamber is wedged shaped, and is ideal for> single 
point ignition. Not like a Continental or Lycoming, which has a huge> piston 
area and is designed for two plugs. If possible use a .005> distributor and a 
good generator with a battery instead of a magneto. The> best mag. to use, in 
my opinion, is the Bendix 20 series with impulse> coupeling. They're expensive. 
The new Slick mags are real good to use too.> Great Plains sells a real good 40 
amp belt driven alternator. Check it out.> > > > -Joe> > 
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KR> RE: Nikasil...

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Lucky I SOLD ALL my BMW's and my Porsche--  GUESS I SHOULD HAVE THROWN THEM 
AWAY!!!Marc Lee Winnig

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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2006 10:27:00 -0500> From: tinya...@aol.com> > I have read 
everything I can find on the net with Nikasil.  In the model airplane world 
anything with a coating on the cylinder is considered cheap.  I think mostly 
because on model airplane engines they do the block and cylinder in one piece 
then coat the cylinder to get the hardness needed.  It is a very cheap way of 
building an engine (low parts count), but is very lightweight.  I still think 
of the Nikasil cylinder as a throw away part.  It isn't shop rebuildable if 
damaged and new cylinders will have to be bought.  I guess that makes it not so 
cheap.  One web site did claim the Nikasil cylinder is 2-3 times stronger than 
chrome plated cylinders.  Bottom line is any cast iron cylinder engine 
converted to these aluminum cylinders will be lighter weight.  I may buy a set 
of Nikasil cylinders myself.>  > Kevin.>  >  >  >  >  > -Original 
Message-> From: n5...@hiwaay.net> To: kr...@mylist.net> Sent: Thu, 21 Dec 
2006 3:40 PM> Subject: Re: KR> RE: Nikasil...> > > Kevin wrote:> > > I think 
the advantage of Nikasil cylinders is they are cheap.  Not for> Corvairs/VWs it 
seems, but in model airplane engines it is the cheapest> engine you can buy.  
They are often considered throw away engines.  Nikasil> cylinders can't be 
bored so they are a lot like Chromed aluminum cylinders.> > Nikasil isn't a 
material, it's a coating that's often applied to aluminum> cylinders to improve 
wear resistance.  Porsche Nikasiled just about every> one of its cylinders at 
one time, and I don't think they did it because it's> cheap!  They did it so 
they could use lightweight aluminum cylinders that> still have good longevity 
in the place of cast iron cylinders.  See> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikasil 
for details.  The article mentions that> it fell from favor due to problems 
associated with high sulfur fuels, but> 100LL probably doesn't have that 
problem.  It's also somewhat tricky to> apply.> >  I'm working on a UAV engine 
project in which the folks that are building> the engine insist that there's 
only one place in the world that knows how to> Nikosil plate correctly.  
Applied incorrectly it has been known to flake off> and cause real problems...> 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama> see KR2S project N56ML at 
http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net> 
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KR> retracts

[Marc Lee Winnig]

> And this proves what about a KR?


   I guess it proves a KR is NOT A PIPER!   (Pipers seem to be slower with 
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KR> Guy from Maine @ Gathering w. retract covers!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Thanks.  Now THAT'S a thought!   Finish the plane... learn to fly it... fly it 
around, and meet the right people to "finish it off"-- to the extent that these 
sorts of things are ever really finished!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> Re: retract fairings

[Marc Lee Winnig]

> Marc, there was a guy at the gathering last year from Maine, he had a good
> set up for enclosing the retracts.  And again they are solid.. That 
> would be:  Kip Lounsbury.  He called and we had a very nice chat!   GOTTA 
> LOVE THIS GROUP!!!    Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> Retracts and other stuff...

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OK!  Let's talk about foam some more! ;)Marc Lee Winnig 
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KR> Glider BRS Mis-Hap - ANOTHER BRS SAVE!!!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Thanks for the link.  Let's see now...   >>  During the test flight 
sequence, the aircraft experienced an in-flight
break up when both wings separated from the fuselage while maneuvering
at 7,675 feet.  The glider was reported to be equipped with a ballistic
recovery system (BRS), which was successfully deployed.Sounds to me like 
the wings separated AND THEN the BRS was deployed successfully.  Pilot bailed 
out under his own chute.  Guessing BRS will count this as another save!
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KR> Retractable Gear Linkage is the safety issue???

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Cool, thanks.  I have PIX of my setup.  I will post and send you a link.  Maybe 
you can give a look and tell me what I've got?!?Marc Lee Winnig  

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martygmar...@gmail.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: FW: KR> Retractable 
Gear Linkage is the safety issue???> > On 12/14/06, Ron Hoskins 
<r5...@netzero.net> wrote:> >> > Hey Marc...> > It is the retracting linkage 
that could be a problem.> > > > The Mooney style retract bar w/ locking 
mechanism is what I copied in my> KR1.  I'm putting clam shell type doors on it 
and I had a friend with a> computer program run a test for projected speed.  I 
gained about 8mph.> That's not bad.> > I'm just finishing up my TriQ200.  When 
I done.  I'll take the KR down out> of the rafters (around the end of January) 
and photo the little design.  I> think some of you guys will like it.> > M. 
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KR> How about a 4016 magneto?

[Marc Lee Winnig]

>> If it is 4216 mag DON'T DO IT!!!   So I have to ask... what about the 
>> 4016 which came with my KR2.  Do I need to lose it???   Thanks!Marc Lee 
>> Winnig   

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KR> PhotoShow of my KR2 Build (B4 I got it)

[Marc Lee Winnig]

For anyone who is interested... this is a collection of photos showing the 
construction of my KR2 before I bought it.  Apologies for the possibly broken 
link (just copy and paste it), and thank Windows Live Mail 
Beta!http://photoshow.comcast.net/watch/ze2Rz6feLanding Gear and my photos 
are next!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> MY Pictures of my KR-2 (Including Retracts)

[Marc Lee Winnig]

For those who care... pictures of my recent KR-2 acquisition in my hangar, 
including details of the retract gear...   
http://photoshow.comcast.net/watch/AJ2Kc9Ie  Thanks!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> How about a 4016 magneto?

[Marc Lee Winnig]

> If I remember correctly the 4000 series Slick mags are throw away Mags   
> Sounds like I should just toss it now!  What do you suggest?  (I would like 
> to go with a dual magneto/dual-plug setup anyway).   Thinking of calling 
> GP, as they specifically say they can upgrade/rebuild my HAPI).  Thinking new 
> dual plug heads are in the picture.Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> RE: Warp 3-blade

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Is it wood or composite?  (I have a 3-blade ground-adjustable wood prop, 
apparently by Rand).Marc Lee Winnig

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KR> KR 2 for sale

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Please send details and PIX to me and to my cousing who may be interested 
(copied on this message).Please include location, etc..Thanks!Marc Lee Winnig  

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Subject: RE: KR> KR 2 for sale> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 20:06:49 -0600> > Please 
send additional info to "markweg...@charter.net" and we can talk.> Sorry about 
the health problem. I assume it is either fly-able or> trailer-able.> > Hope to 
hear from you soon.> > Mark [Formula4G]> > -Original Message-> From: 
krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf> Of 
lyndolgre...@comcast.net> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:55 PM> To: KRnet> 
Subject: Re: KR> KR 2 for sale> > I have a KR-2 with a C-65 that is for sale.  
I will have a fresh annual done> > with the sale (the annual ran out last month 
and I haven't gotten around to > having it done).  Due to health problems I am 
not flying the aircraft and > need to sale it.  It is located in Lewisburg, TN 
(KLUG) and I am asking > $9,000 for it.  Let me know if you are interested and 
I will send pictures.> > Lyndol Greene> > lyndolgre...@comcast.net> > - 
Original Message - > From: "carlos noto" <carlosjosen...@yahoo.com>> To: 
"KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 2:35 PM> Subject: 
Re: KR> KR 2 for sale> > > > hello how are everyone. I was kind Of curious 
about the price of a full > > flying kr2. anyone know about of a flying kr2 for 
sale. I will like to > > compare prices and see if it's is worth buying a 
flying kr2.> >> > ones again, thanks everyone for your help.> >> > Carlos noto> 
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KR> RE: BRS on KR2

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Thank you both Mark and Robin.I am
mostly interested in retro-fit possibilities, though I know before
layups is best.  As I will be sanding and painting anyway, a few minor
mods to allow the straps is a possibility--  not sure...  just
thinking. If anyone has the diagrams showing the recommended strap
routing from BRS, that would be awesome, as it usually takes them several days 
to reply to such a request.  (Please send direct).

  As for a passenger deploying it at 150MPH... I guess I would hope my
passenger briefing would cover that.  Anyone stupid enough to do that
would likely be tossed out of the plane well before getting to max
cruise speeds!
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KR> Retractable Gear?

[Marc Lee Winnig]

My recently acquired and "nearly done" KR2 has retractable gear, which I must 
assume is "old style".  It does, however, have a safety latch to keep it from 
accidently collapsing due to rough taxiing or just an accidental release, as it 
take two levers to retract the gear.  Anyone know more about this setup?  Is it 
still subject to the same issues? "Hard landings" are, of course a relative 
term.  The example cited seems pretty extreme (a panicked pilot fighting the 
co-pilot for control).  I'd be more interested in more "normal operations" 
info..Thanks!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> BRS LIMITATIONS

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Once you pull the chute, you are more-or-less at the mercy of the winds, and 
many other things.  The save where the husband had a stroke or whatever and 
collapsed onto the controls only worked out because his wife waited until they 
were over open water.  A BRS will NOT work in all situations, and the 
recommendation is to deploy at the slowest possible speed (given other 
considerations).   Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> Retractable Gear Linkage is the safety issue???

[Marc Lee Winnig]

 >> I would much rather have the gear come thru the wings then my legs.Still a 
 >> bit confused here...   My gear retracts into the wing stub (spar), not the 
 >> floor of the plane.  You are saying it was the spring which damaged their 
 >> legs, so I guess that is still a risk I have.  If I have this right... it 
 >> is not the location of the gear per se, but of the linkage which is the 
 >> issue, right? Marc Lee Winnig   

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+> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Fw: KR> Retractable Gear?> > My post was 
to show that the original retrack set up isint very safe. The spring bar that 
is mounted to the front of the spar is what did the damage to their legs. It 
was more then a normal hard landing, but could happen again. My intension was 
to show the flaws of that system. I would much rather have the gear come thru 
the wings then my legs.> I think all should be interested in a better working 
wheel...   Its called common sense...>  > Ron   > Chattaroy, Wa.> > -- 
Forwarded Message --> My recently acquired and "nearly done" KR2 has 
retractable gear, which I must assume is "old style".  It does, however, have a 
safety latch to keep it from accidently collapsing due to rough taxiing or just 
an accidental release, as it take two levers to retract the gear.  Anyone know 
more about this setup?  Is it still subject to the same issues? "Hard landings" 
are, of course a relative term.  The example cited seems pretty extreme (a 
panicked pilot fighting the co-pilot for control).  I'd be more interested in 
more "normal operations" info..Thanks!   Marc Lee Winnig   > > 
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KR> Mag Compass - test reply

[Marc Lee Winnig]

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FW: KR> Retractable Gear Linkage is the safety issue???

[Marc Lee Winnig]

 >> I would much rather have the gear come thru the wings then my legs.Still a 
 >> bit confused here...   My gear retracts into the wing stub (spar), not the 
 >> floor of the plane.  You are saying it was the spring which damaged their 
 >> legs, so I guess that is still a risk I have.  If I have this right... it 
 >> is not the location of the gear per se, but of the linkage which is the 
 >> issue, right? Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> Glider BRS Mis-Hap

[Marc Lee Winnig]

>> The glider that came apart accidently fired the BRS at 171 mph...  Any word 
>> on just HOW the chute was "accidently fired"... "at 171 mph"???Just 
>> because occasionally someone not wearing a seat belt is thrown clear of the 
>> wreckage, while a seat belt wearer is occasionally crushed in the vehicle, 
>> doesn't mean I am not usually better off wearing mine.  We are talking odds 
>> here, not absolutes!Marc Lee Winnig   

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(801) 749-9460  FAX> From: rsb...@hotmail.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: 
RE: KR> Ballistic Chute on a KR2?> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 19:59:30 -0600> > 
Hello Bill How did the glider come out ? How is your engine extension comeing ? 
Steve BrayJackson, Tennessee> From: countryhomepr...@bellsouth.net> To: 
flyk...@wi.rr.com; kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> Ballistic Chute on a 
KR2?> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:27:10 -0600> CC: > > The incident last month 
here in Starkville tells me I do not need one. The > glider that came apart 
accidently fired the BRS at 171 mph and the sudden > stop ejected the pilot out 
of the craft still in his bucket seat. He went > through the canopy. Luckily he 
was wearing a chute (for the 1st time) and > after falling 8 thousand feet he 
was able to deploy the chute. It was > tangled with debree from the canopy. 
Opened at 500' above the ground.> > Bill Page> boliverp...@bellsouth.net> > 
- Original Message - > From: "Mark Jones" <flyk...@wi.rr.com>> To: 
"KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:50 PM> 
Subject: Re: KR> Ballistic Chute on a KR2?> > > > BRS (Ballistic Recovery 
Systems) designed a system for the KR. It is very> > simple: The canister 
mounts behind the seat and under the front edge of > > the> > turtle deck. A 
very thin layer of fiberglass cloth covers the hole in top > > of> > the turtle 
deck. This will rupture when the rocket is fired and allow the> > chute to exit 
the plane. The chute is connected to nylon flat webbing that> > goes from the 
turtle deck down the fuselage sides and to each outer front> > main center 
spar. There is also a nylon strap which goes down the top of > > the> > turtle 
deck to the rear of the plane. these straps are under one very thin> > layer of 
fiberglass cloth such as deck cloth. It is best to install the> > straps when 
doing your lay up so you can make a channel for them to lay > > in.> > When the 
chute deploys, it will rip the straps out of the skin and you > > will> > 
dangle under the chute on a three point harness. If and I say if, the > > 
plane> > and you survive the crash landing some fiberglass skin repair will be 
in> > order. Personally, unless the plane actually breaks up in flight, I 
would> > never consider using one. Just think what would happen if you were > > 
cruising> > along at 150mph and you or your passenger accidentally hit the fire 
> > button.> >> > Mark Jones (N886MJ)> > Wales, WI> > Visit my web site: 
www.flykr2s.com> > E-mail: flyk...@wi.rr.com> > - Original Message - > 
> From: "Marc Lee Winnig" <mlwin...@hotmail.com>> > To: "KR" 
<kr...@mylist.net>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2006 8:26 PM> > Subject: 
KR> Ballistic Chute on a KR2?> >> >> >> Anyone ever put a BRS on a KR2 and/or 
know how it can be done?  Thanks!> >> Marc Lee Winnig> >>> >> 
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KR> Anyone have access to a wind tunnel? (Was: Retracts)

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Anyone have access to a wind tunnel???   Marc Lee Winnig   

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Subject: Re: KR> Re:  retracts> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 21:00:54 -0800> > I feel 
a contest comming on.. But how to do it... These things must be done> 
delicately..  I mean scientificly.> - Original Message -> From: 
<da...@alltel.net>> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>> Sent: Thursday, December 
14, 2006 11:05 AM> Subject: Re: KR> Re: retracts> > > > If you could completely 
close up the hole into which the gear retracts, it> would be faster, but all 
that stuff still hanging out there with that big> open hole, is what makes it 
about 5mph slower.> > -> > 
I don't see how Diehl's gear, or any gear, hanging in the wind can make a> > 
plane faster than one with nothing hanging down at all.
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KR> "Accidently Fired BRS"

[Marc Lee Winnig]

> Accidentally fired the BRS? Is that like accidentally getting pregnant?   No. 
>  I think it is more like accidently putting a bullet in the chamber, 
> accidently putting the gun in your mouth, and accidently pulling the trigger! 
>  (OK, that was 3 accidental events).  Feel free to make any of the 3 
> deliberate!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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mercedesm...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KR> Ballistic Chute on a KR2?> To: 
kr...@mylist.net> > > > countryhomeprint <countryhomepr...@bellsouth.net> 
wrote: The incident last month here in Starkville tells me I do not need one. 
The > glider that came apart accidently fired the BRS at 171 mph and the sudden 
> stop ejected the pilot out of the craft still in his bucket seat. He went > 
through the canopy. Luckily he was wearing a chute (for the 1st time) and > 
after falling 8 thousand feet he was able to deploy the chute. It was > tangled 
with debree from the canopy. Opened at 500' above the ground.> > Bill Page> 
boliverp...@bellsouth.net> > Accidentally fired the BRS? Is that like 
accidentally getting pregnant? ; )  According to BRS the unit will not fire 
"accidentally" It is a deliberate two step action, that requires unlocking the 
chute and vigorously pulling the handle. > > Glad he survived.> > > Ron Smith> 
Kr2ssxl> Cypress Ca U.S.A.> mercedesm...@yahoo.com> 
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KR> Gift to the group - DELETE IF YOU MUST!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Thanks!  ANOTHER AWESOME contibution.  (ON advice of another and the FAQ's, I 
resisted the urge to say so LAST TIME, but alas, these are too good to just 
read, laugh and ignore)!   For those who don't know...  the delete key is above 
and to the right of the enter key!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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mercedesm...@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: KR> Gift to the group> To: 
kr...@mylist.net> > > > Larry Flesner <fles...@verizon.net> wrote: > > 
It's a bit early but as we poets are throwing out our> rhymes with reason, I'll 
re-post the "Night before> Christmas" poem I threw out on Dec.24, 2004.> > 
Enjoy> ++> 
Christmas Eve at the Airport> > On the eve before Christmas all KR's in the 
land> Are snug in their hangars with birds called "spam-cans".> The spam-cans 
all chuckle as they set in their stall> To see a winged creature with 
proportions so small> > But the KR's don't mind for they've heard it before> 
And they've outlived the rumors, the legends, and lore> It's been said they fly 
tricky like walking on ice> But the pilots that fly them say they're really 
quite nice.> > They're as swift as a swallow as it chases a bug> Climbing and 
diving while the spam-can's a slug> When it flies by low level you'd better not 
blink> For it's there, then it's gone, in one half of a wink> > They may be 
small but their size is just right> For stuffing your stocking if you're good 
till tonight> Then you add some epoxy, get the wings set up right> And in no 
time at all, you're ready for flight> > So don't fret or worry if you wake up 
in fear> And think you hear Santa , his sleigh, and reindeer> The buzzing, the 
swoosh, and the Y HAA's you hear> Are KR pilots saying "it's been a 
GREAT YEAR !"> > Wishing a happy holiday season to all??..> > Larry 
Flesner> > >  Very nice Larry, that one is a keeper. Merry Christmas to you!> > 
> > Ron Smith> Kr2ssxl> Buckeye Arizona> mercedesm...@yahoo.com> 
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KR> Re: retract fairings

[Marc Lee Winnig]

> Hasn't anyone ever thought of installing fiberglass fairings on a retract 
> gear it should not be that hard to do.   I did!   Just not there yet!!!   
> Still trying to confirm it is solid and safe!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> Jumbled messages?????

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Part of it is a HotMail thing.  I think if I post from the site it will be OK, 
but that is a bit tedious.Sorry for the mess in the messages.Marc Lee Winnig  

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Subject: Re: KR> Jumbled messages?> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 15:18:27 -0500> > 
Yeah, I've mentioned it before but no one seemed to know why it happens.> > > 
- Original Message - > From: "Dan Heath" <da...@alltel.net>> To: 
<kr...@mylist.net>> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:17 PM> Subject: KR> 
Jumbled messages?> > > > Does anyone know what causes messages to come out 
like this.  It seems > > that> > we are getting more of them than in the past.  
Also, the ones with all the> > underlines and repeated several times in the 
same message.> >> >> >> >> Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2006 06:12:21 -0800> From: 
crz...@yahoo.com> Subject: > >> Re: KR> My Purchase of KR-2 in Iowa! - Wood 
Prop Question> To: > >> kr...@mylist.net> > I ran through rain about 10 yrs ago 
in my KR headed > >> to> Osh Kosh. About 5 min. after that I felt a vibration> 
about 2 minutes > >> later my prop left the plane with the> front part of the 
crank. The KR > >> became a nice glider> to a pasture in Osceola Mo. The prop 
did not have > >> a> leading edge protector. When I was back up with a new> 
motor I put a > >> Sturba prop on (he has the resin leading> edge) I had run 
through ran > >> with his prop an all I had> to do is clean off some vanish and 
re coat.> > >>  > > > --- Pete Diffey <pe...@heroic.co.uk> wrote:> > > Marc Lee 
Winnig > >> wrote:> > > THAT sounds like a BAD THING, but I thought even> > 
rain was > >> supposed to be bad for it. > > Yep you are probably right, I 
would not > >> like to find> > out by personal > > experience.> > > > Pete> > > 
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KR> discouraging

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Where are you at???  Maybe I need to bring my 45 hrs., my KR-2 (not-quite-done) 
craft, and a couple of my UL's/UL Projects (after I collect them all) to add 
some fuel to the fire!Sounds like you just stumbled into the wrong hangar!  And 
to think, it looked so promising!  Sorry it went that way. I am with you, feel 
your pain, and I too think you got some real bad advice.I don't want to beat 
this to death by any means, but I am taking my time, learning to do this right, 
investing the time and money required, reading a TON (including NTSB reports, 
"I Learned About Flying From That" (collection of near-fatal mistakes Vol. 3 
and the original stories monthly that feed the collectons), "The Killing Zone" 
about pilots from 100-350hrs. who seem to have a disproportionate share of 
fatal incidents, and am in NO HURRY to solo or to get my instructor out of the 
plane!  I have discussed buying specific TD's with him, am already flying a TD 
UL (OK, twice so far), and have his "blessing" for these types of planes.  He 
is confident we can fly her (he can fly it / I can fly it / he can teach me to 
fly it).  He does want me to get with the more experienced TD instructor too, 
but the TD CFI's Cub is currently undergoing a major overhaul, and students 
don't fly his other plane!.  It is just one more reason why I want my own 
plane.Learn everything you can wherever you can.  Don't close your mind to 
anything.  But take things with the proverbial grain of sand.  Not every answer 
fits!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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kr...@mylist.net> > What you ran across was a dynosaur, I had one tell me one 
time that they had a homebuilt at their airport one time fortunately it crashed 
and then proceeded to lecture me as you got lectured, meanwhile he had a ratty 
old Cessna 172 that looked like it hadn't been flown in years. He reached his 
height, don't take what he said to heart and don't let him bring you down. When 
Ken Rand did his first flight on his KR1 he only had 35 hrs. total time> > Rick 
and Pam <d...@defnet.com> wrote:  Heres my story to date. I bought a KR2 last 
month from grand rapids Mi > (Im in Defiance Ohio). basicly it needed a seat 
and all the small things > that these planes need. so Ive been working on it 
for a month now and I > figured I would take it to the local airport and rent a 
small hanger so > I could mount the wings and do some taxi testing, well as 
luck would > have it 2 hangars down is THE local eaa guy,(white beard,eaa tech 
rep, > ap mech, 2 taildraggers sitting in his hangar) basicly the whole > 
package, so Im thinking man what a great resource 2 hangars down from > me. I 
go down and introduce myself and tell him my story and he proceeds > to tell me 
in short that unless I have 5 to 10 thousand hours of > taildragger time that I 
shouldn't attempt to fly the kr2. He then went > on and on about why I should 
buy a cessna 150 cause as a certified > aircraft. I would be able to just "fly 
it" (that would be the only thing > I could do to it) To top it all off he then 
lets me know that the last > thing we need is someone crashing on the 
runway.wouldn't do our > Image any good he says, Now Im no idiot and I know 
that Im not Tom > Cruise in top gun, as a matter of fact Im not even a pilot as 
of yet > {although Im working on it} I know when Im talking to someone with a > 
lot more experiance than me to listen but I got to believe that this guy > 
really doesn't like home built aircraft ,which is what I thought the eaa > was 
all about.He practicly had me talked intoselling it before I left.On > the way 
home I realized that this was the type of guy that made me look > at 
experimentals to start with...I understand I need some taildragger > time , I 
understand it will require maintenance, I understand that > things go wrong, I 
accept these as challenges to be overcome. WHAT I > DONT EXCEPT IS PEOPLE 
TELLING ME I CANT DO IT. anyways I just had to vent> > 
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KR> Wiring Diagram Needed / May have???

[Marc Lee Winnig]

>  I need a wiring diagram for a KR, can anyone help?Just picked up my KR 
> Sunday.  not sure if a wiring diagram is in the plans or not-- I will need a 
> few days to sort through things and see.If not, I will need one 
> too!Thanks!Marc Lee Winnig 
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KR> tailwheel time

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Thanks for that!  BIG GRIN HERE!  Can't wait to get mine flying!Marc Lee Winnig 
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RE: Réf. : RE: KR> discouraging

[Marc Lee Winnig]

ANOTHER BIG GRIN!Thanks!!!   Marc Lee Winnig   

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KR> Jumbled messages?????

[Marc Lee Winnig]

More precisely... I think it is a Yahoo Groups and Windows Live (tm) Mail Beta 
thing.They now seem to be hiding the "plain text / html" toggle.  Trying 
Courier New font for grins...Marc Lee Winnig

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KR> Help / wiring diagram

[Marc Lee Winnig]

> In a lot of cases it's easier to rewire than figure out someone elses 
> messThis has certainly been my experience with every trailer I have ever 
> purchased!  (Can't imagine planes being much different!).Marc Lee Winnig
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KR> Tony Bingelis Books Link

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Ahh...  Something ELSE I need to read!  And to make it even easier... 
http://shop.eaa.org/html/04_books_bingelis.html?cart_id=Thanks!Marc Lee Winnig
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KR> Picked up the KR2 project in Iowa!!!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Been a busy few days here.  Unfortunately, my Mother passed away in NY on 
Thurs., and I was with her and family there.  Funeral was yesterday in 
Milwaukee.  In between I made the trip to Iowa to liberate my KR2 project.  
Fellow list member Joe Weber met me there-- in fact he beat me there.  Turns 
out he had been there several years back too.  The seller is 70, and has flown 
nearly 50 years.  Built a gyrocopter which flew briefly once, but fell victim 
to reversed controls.  He has worked on the plane (on and off) since 1975.  
Before I had seen her, I asked Joe what he thought, and got the answer I was 
looking for...   He simply looked at me and said... "With a little work, it 
will fly!"Fuselage is still on my trailer in my hangar... wings and canopy 
still in my van in the driveway.  Can't wait to get working on her.  I looked 
for appropriate tail numbers (like 7507 for the year the plane was started and 
when it will hopefully fly, but all were taken).  Joe mentioned 2007 will be 
the 35th anniv. of the KR, so I asked to reserve 3507 (X, W, B, C, or D in 
order), as I guess I will be "building" a 35th Anniversary 2007 KR-- though It 
does feel a bit like cheating!  Please consider this my confession!Marc Lee 
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KR> VFR operations ionto IMC

[Marc Lee Winnig]

 >> have spoken to literally one hundred pilots who don't do any pre-flight 
 >> planning.I think I've read some of their confessions and accident 
 >> reports!!!  Marc Lee Winnig 
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KR> VFR operations

[Marc Lee Winnig]

> All pilots should for their own safety, acquire a few hours of instrument 
> training,  at least enough to feel confident in controlling the aircraft in  
> basic maneuvers in clouds.  Thanks!  I FOR ONE will heed this advice!  Marc 
> Lee Winnig 
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KR> Re: Stick and Rudder

[Marc Lee Winnig]

AGREED!!!  VERY EARLY in my still young student flying "career" I was 
struggling with many (more) items.  Nothing really made much sense.  I picked 
up the book at the suggestion of an EAA Chapter member/officer-- a real 
"old-timer".  He said he learned more from it than any other flying book.  When 
I got to the part about the things which are not intuitive, which the books 
barely mention and instructors don't really teach... it all started to make 
sense.  (Start with the fact that most of the controls are "mis-labeled" and do 
NOT due what you would normally think they would, and it just gets worse from 
there).Our instincts will often kills us.A lot of flying seems to be 
about learning to do the right thing, when your natural reaction is to do the 
wrong thing).  I now have a different instructor, who knows and loves the book, 
and my flying is progressing much better.  The book is clearly not the only 
component, but it certainly helped!  Also, get the ASA book "Conventional Gear 
- Flying a Taildragger" by David Robson.  It covers techniques, and many 
specifc makes/models.  Help me understand why stall recovery in the Cessna is 
"release the stick and apply power" but in the Drifter it is "SLAM the stick 
forward" and apply power!  I was under-sticking the Drifter, and over-sticking 
the Cessna.  I now know how (and why) they fly differently.  (Cessna is a 172-- 
not covered in the book, but it was my point of reference/contrast).  Marc Lee 
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KR> going is the Spam can

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Not to mention "fun per $Can!"  Sounds like the right call!   Sell the Cessna 
to a young student pilot with a lot more money!Marc Lee Winnig 
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KR> RE: KR2 in IOWA - ALREADY OFFERED TO BUY IT!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

I have been in contact with the seller, and have already offered to purchase 
the plane.  Just looking to get pictures before sending payment.Marc Lee Winnig 
 

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KR> need help > Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:44:55 -0600> > Lee;>   I live 25 miles 
from Dubuque.>Joe Weber  phone 608 759 5701>  e-mail   mo...@mhtc.net> 
- Original Message - > From: "Lee Van Dyke" > To: 
"KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 4:32 PM> 
Subject: KR> need help> > > > Netters,> >> > Who is closest to dubuque IA to 
possibly look at a KR2 for my father? > > There is one there that is ready for 
flight but not yet flown?> >> > Lee Van Dyke> > 
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KR> RE: KR2 in IOWA - Someone looking at it for me???

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Of course I wouldn't mind someone going over to check her out and tell me what 
I have offered to buy!>> I have been in contact with the seller, and have 
already offered to
purchase the plane. Just looking to get pictures before sending
>> payment.   Marc Lee WinnigMarc Lee Winnig  

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Wed, 6 Dec 2006 19:05:56 -0600> Subject: KR> RE: KR2 in IOWA - ALREADY OFFERED 
TO BUY IT!> > I have been in contact with the seller, and have already offered 
to purchase the plane.  Just looking to get pictures before sending 
payment.Marc Lee Winnig  > > mlwin...@hotmail.com > > (815) 301-5011  Cell and 
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live 25 miles from Dubuque.>Joe Weber  phone 608 759 5701>  e-mail   
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> To: "KRnet" > Sent: Wednesday, December 
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to dubuque IA to possibly look at a KR2 for my father? > > There is one there 
that is ready for flight but not yet flown?> >> > Lee Van Dyke> > 
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KR> VFR on top / over the top

[Marc Lee Winnig]

> plan. Do the regs state what the cloud conditions (percent of coverage)> must 
> be to ask for "VFR on top"? Could a pilot on an IFR clearance ask> for "VFR 
> on top" with no clouds present and thus operate without an> assigned 
> altitude? 

Just now learning this stuff in class, but pretty sure the Class of the 
airspace in question has something to do with the correct answer, does it 
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> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:30:48 -0600> From: fles...@verizon.net> Subject: Re: 
> KR> VFR on top / over the top> To: kr...@mylist.net> > At 05:48 PM 12/7/2006, 
> you wrote:> > >From FAR Part 1, Definitions: VFR over-the-top, with respect 
> to the> >operation of aircraft, means the operation of an aircraft 
> over-the-top under> >VFR when it is not being operated on an IFR flight 
> plan.> >> > >From the AIM:> > 4-4-7. IFR Clearance VFR-on-top> >> > a. A 
> pilot on an IFR flight plan operating in VFR weather conditions,> >may 
> request VFR-on-top in lieu of an assigned altitude. This permits a pilot> >to 
> select an altitude or flight level of their choice (subject to any ATC> 
> >restrictions.)> +> > 
> Thanks, Ken> > It seems to me the "VFR over-the-top" definition could just be 
> eliminated> from the regs and get rid of some unnecessary verbiage and 
> confusion.> You're either VFR or your not. If you're not VFR you best be on 
> an IFR flight> plan. Do the regs state what the cloud conditions (percent of 
> coverage)> must be to ask for "VFR on top"? Could a pilot on an IFR clearance 
> ask> for "VFR on top" with no clouds present and thus operate without an> 
> assigned altitude? Just wondering. :-) I guess that would beg the> question, 
> what does the cloud conditions have to be before I'm considered> to be 
> operating "VFR over-the-top"? Inquiring minds want to know. :-)> > > Larry 
> Flesner> > > > > > > > ___> Search the 
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KR> My Purchase of KR-2 in Iowa! - Wood Prop Question

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Sent a bank check for his asking price (overnight courier) BEFORE actually 
seeing pictures of her!   (Pretty sure she is mine!).Got some pictures from his 
daughter, and she looks like a fine plane.  Probably not too much to do, though 
he has already mentioned the prop needs to go.  Perhaps I can use it on my 
Ultralight Amphib. project (if it is not wood).  Ed Sterba it will be!  (The 
Sonerai IIL I came very close to getting was to have a new ES prop.).  Thanks 
for all the good info there.  (Both VW engines).

One wood prop question...  I hear they don't like running in the rain.  Just 
how serious is that limitation?  (Are we talking anything above a mist, heavy 
downpour, or what?).
Thanks!  Looking forward to being a FULL-FLEDGED Member of this little "Club"!

Hope to meet many of you in Mt. Vernon, IL!Marc Lee Winnig   
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KR> My Purchase of KR-2 in Iowa! - Wood Prop Question

[Marc Lee Winnig]

THAT sounds like a BAD THING, but I thought even rain was supposed to be bad 
for it.  Marc Lee Winnig mlwin...@hotmail.com(815) 301-5011 Cell and 
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> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 17:19:08 +> From: pe...@heroic.co.uk> To: 
> kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> My Purchase of KR-2 in Iowa! - Wood Prop 
> Question> > The trouble with rain is that rain at ground level may be hail at 
> 5000 > ft, and that will shotblast the prop to a lolly stick in a couple of > 
> minutes.> > Pete> > One wood prop question... I hear they don't like running 
> in the rain. Just how serious is that limitation? (Are we talking anything 
> above a mist, heavy downpour, or what?).> > Thanks! Looking forward to being 
> a FULL-FLEDGED Member of this little "Club"!> > > > Hope to meet many of you 
> in Mt. Vernon, IL!Marc Lee Winnig mlwin...@hotmail.com (815) 301-5011 Cell 
> and Vonage (801) 749-9460 FAX> > 
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KR> RE: Wood Prop Question

[Marc Lee Winnig]

By "OBLITERATING" do you mean that you wouldn't want to fly with it again, or 
that you were lucky to be able to land with the thing in the first place (or 
something in between)???  Marc Lee Winnigmlwin...@hotmail.com(815) 
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> From: n5...@hiwaay.net> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> My Purchase of 
> KR-2 in Iowa! - Wood Prop Question> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:51:28 -0600> > 
> Marc Lee Winnig wrote:> > > One wood prop question... I hear they don't like 
> running in the rain. > > Just how serious is that limitation? (Are we talking 
> anything above a > > mist, heavy downpour, or what?).> > You'll probably hear 
> some good stories on this thread, but I can tell you > that my Sensenich with 
> urethane leading edge has seen a few hours of light > and moderate rain with 
> no noticeable effect. But on the other hand I've > heard stories of folks 
> flying into heavy rain and obliterating the prop in a > matter of minutes.> > 
> Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama> see KR2S project N56ML at 
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net> > > 
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KR> RE: Wood Prop Question

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Thanks.  I get that part.  But I have heard it presented as "bullets traveling 
at Mach 1" hitting the tips of the prop.  That sounded a bit different to me!   
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> From: mfreem...@indy.rr.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> RE: Wood 
> Prop Question> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 15:13:51 -0500> > Have you ever seen or 
> can you imagine a wood deck on your patio that has > been harshly pressure 
> washed by someone who doesn't know what there doing or > how to do it? That's 
> what happens to the unprotected prop. The rain starts > to tear away the 
> little fibres on the leading edge and that degrades the > prop airflow as it 
> wears away.> > > - Original Message - > From: "Marc Lee Winnig" 
> <mlwin...@hotmail.com>> To: "KRnet" <kr...@mylist.net>> Sent: Friday, 
> December 08, 2006 1:27 PM> Subject: KR> RE: Wood Prop Question> > > By 
> "OBLITERATING" do you mean that you wouldn't want to fly with it again, > or 
> that you were lucky to be able to land with the thing in the first place > 
> (or something in between)??? Marc Lee Winnig mlwin...@hotmail.com > (815) 
> 301-5011 Cell and Vonage (801) 749-9460 FAX> > > From: n5...@hiwaay.net> To: 
> kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> My Purchase > > of KR-2 in Iowa! - Wood 
> Prop Question> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 > > 10:51:28 -0600> > Marc Lee Winnig 
> wrote:> > > One wood prop question... I > > hear they don't like running in 
> the rain. > > Just how serious is that > > limitation? (Are we talking 
> anything above a > > mist, heavy downpour, or > > what?).> > You'll probably 
> hear some good stories on this thread, but I > > can tell you > that my 
> Sensenich with urethane leading edge has seen a few > > hours of light > and 
> moderate rain with no noticeable effect. But on the > > other hand I've > 
> heard stories of folks flying into heavy rain and > > obliterating the prop 
> in a > matter of minutes.> > Mark Langford, > > Huntsville, Alabama> see KR2S 
> project N56ML at > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford> email to N56ML "at" 
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KR> RE: Wood Prop Question

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Thanks.  Ed Sterba can do that, can't he?   Marc Lee Winnig
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> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 11:24:06 -0800> From: sollymel...@yahoo.com> Subject: 
> Re: KR> RE: Wood Prop Question> To: kr...@mylist.net> > Mark,> Think of it as 
> if you're driving in rain. you have to slow down. do not fly with a prop that 
> does not have a L.E protection and always slow down (prop RPM) by a good 15% 
> from normal cruise. > Solly> > Marc Lee Winnig <mlwin...@hotmail.com> wrote:> 
> By "OBLITERATING" do you mean that you wouldn't want to fly with it again, or 
> that you were lucky to be able to land with the thing in the first place (or 
> something in between)??? Marc Lee Winnig mlwin...@hotmail.com (815) 301-5011 
> Cell and Vonage (801) 749-9460 FAX > > > From: n5...@hiwaay.net> To: 
> kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> My Purchase of KR-2 in Iowa! - Wood Prop 
> Question> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:51:28 -0600> > Marc Lee Winnig wrote:> > > 
> One wood prop question... I hear they don't like running in the rain. > > 
> Just how serious is that limitation? (Are we talking anything above a > > 
> mist, heavy downpour, or what?).> > You'll probably hear some good stories on 
> this thread, but I can tell you > that my Sensenich with urethane leading 
> edge has seen a few hours of light > and moderate rain with no noticeable 
> effect. But on the other hand I've > heard stories of folks flying into heavy 
> rain and obliterating the prop in a > matter of minutes.> > Mark Langford, 
> Huntsville, Alabama> see KR2S project N56ML at 
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net> > > 
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KR> RE: Wood Prop Question

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Yikes!  Guessing he DIDN'T slow down much or have leading edge protection, 
then, huh?   Marc Lee Winnigmlwin...@hotmail.com(815) 301-5011 Cell and 
Vonage   (801) 749-9460 FAX

> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:51:44 -0500> From: chizmsupholst...@rogers.com> 
> Subject: Re: KR> RE: Wood Prop Question> To: kr...@mylist.net> > A good 
> friend of mine had a wood prop on his Spezio and flew through a shower with 
> it without any leading edge protection. He probably only had 80% of his prop 
> left. He switched to a metal prop and the wood prop made a nice wall hanging 
> after he decoratively refinished it > Marc Lee Winnig <mlwin...@hotmail.com> 
> wrote: By "OBLITERATING" do you mean that you wouldn't want to fly with it 
> again, or that you were lucky to be able to land with the thing in the first 
> place (or something in between)??? Marc Lee Winnig mlwin...@hotmail.com (815) 
> 301-5011 Cell and Vonage (801) 749-9460 FAX > > > From: n5...@hiwaay.net> To: 
> kr...@mylist.net> Subject: Re: KR> My Purchase of KR-2 in Iowa! - Wood Prop 
> Question> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 10:51:28 -0600> > Marc Lee Winnig wrote:> > > 
> One wood prop question... I hear they don't like running in the rain. > > 
> Just how serious is that limitation? (Are we talking anything above a > > 
> mist, heavy downpour, or what?).> > You'll probably hear some good stories on 
> this thread, but I can tell you > that my Sensenich with urethane leading 
> edge has seen a few hours of light > and moderate rain with no noticeable 
> effect. But on the other hand I've > heard stories of folks flying into heavy 
> rain and obliterating the prop in a > matter of minutes.> > Mark Langford, 
> Huntsville, Alabama> see KR2S project N56ML at 
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford> email to N56ML "at" hiwaay.net> > > 
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KR> Need KR-2 Wing dimensions for wing crates ASAP Please!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Hi!Hoping to pick up my KR-2 tomorrow, and need wing dimensions to build 
crates.  I will probably build on-site, and may adjust for another craft I also 
need to pickup (dif. plane/wings).  I will add for padding, etc..If there are 
variables or options, min. and max. numbers will do.  This is MOSTLY for a 
materials shopping list.Any and all help is appreciated.

Thanks!
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KR> Alcohol in fuel: No. IL and also Fuel Stabilizers

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Here in Northern IL I don't think we can buy ANY auto gas which does not have 
alcohol in it.  Also, while I know some people still swear by fuel stabilizers 
for things which are not run regularly, I have had nothing but trouble with it 
the last several years, and suspect alcohol is the culprit.  I used to use it 
in things like motorcycles, snowblowers, lawnmowers and the like, and it always 
worked fine.  The last sevearl years whenever I used it, the item in question 
(a motorcycle, a snowblower for sure, maybe others, not sure) FAILED TO START, 
even after draining tanks, adding fresh clean gas, etc..Your experience may be 
different, but just a caution on this end.  You may find the same thing if you 
try using the stuff in fuels which contain alcohol.Marc Lee Winnig  

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(801) 749-9460  FAX> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 09:50:04 -0800> From: 
ronwrig...@yahoo.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: KR> Alcohol in fuel.> > No 
alcohol in a Certified Aircraft..  I believe you> can burn anything you want in 
an experimental, but> using alcohol fuel is not a good choice.> > In Missouri 
we can still buy Premium Unleaded fuel at> Amoco with MTBE in it which is okay 
with the FAA in> anything including the STC for certified aircraft.> > Ron> > > 
--- kenneth l wiltrout > wrote:> > > OK 
---Thanx> > Kenny> > > > -Original Message-> > From: 
krnet-boun...@mylist.net> > [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net] On Behalf> > Of D 
F Lively> > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 10:59 AM> > To: KRnet> > Subject: 
Re: KR> Fuel Tanks> > > > Ken Wiltrout:> > > > FAA Regs do not permit the use 
of  fuel containing> > alcohol.  I discovered> > this> > while checking into 
what was ivvolved in getting an> > STC to use auto fuel in> > a> > cirtified 
engine.> > > > Don> > > > kenneth l wiltrout wrote:> > > > > Thanks 
Larry--Since I had good luck with> > AeroPoxy I'll probably> > > stick 
with that. My tank is leak free for 7 yrs> > now. I heard these epoxies> > > 
don't do well if running auto fuel that has> > alcohol. 100LL should still be> 
> a> > > safe bet.> > >> > > -Original Message-> > > From:> > 
krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net> > >> >> 
[mailto:krnet-bounces+kwiltrout1953=verizon@mylist.net]> > On Behalf Of> > 
> Larry Flesner> > > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2006 8:42 AM> > > To: 
KRnet> > > Subject: Re: KR> Fuel Tanks> > >> > > At 07:22 AM 12/4/2006, you 
wrote:> > >> > > >When I built 6399U I used AeroPoxy & Cloth to> > build the 
header> > > >tank-Has anyone used the West System? I> > run 100LL.> > > 
>Ken Wiltrout> > > +> > >> > > 
My project started with Safety Poxy II years ago> > and I kept> > > switching 
as the products disappeared from the> > market.> > > I don't recall exactly 
which one I used to build> > the tanks but> > > I'm sure I was using the West 
System four years> > ago when> > > I was repairing the leaks in my left wing 
tank.  > > For three years> > > I was running auto fuel and I've switched to 
100LL> > the past> > > year or so due to availability. (I'm getting it> > free 
at the airport> > > from our fuel sampling barrel !) So far, no> > problems.> > 
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KR> looking for a KR-2 for Sale. - Me too in the Mid-W. USA!

[Marc Lee Winnig]

>> I'm looking to buy an kr-2 in final stages. I'm
located in south Florida.   any information will be grateful.So am I, only 
closer to the Mid-Western U.S. (WI / IL / IN / MI / IA, etc.).(Already in touch 
with the owner of the one listed in the current EAA Sport mag.).Thanks!Marc Lee 
Winnig  

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(801) 749-9460  FAX> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2006 20:25:55 -0800> From: 
carlosjosen...@yahoo.com> To: kr...@mylist.net> Subject: KR> looking for a KR-2 
for Sale.> >   Hello how are you? I'm new in the list and thanks you for 
letting me be a part of this group.I'm looking to buy an kr-2 in final stages.  
I'm located in south Florida..>   any information will be grateful.>>   
thanks >   Carlos noto>   a>   privet pilot >   >  >  > 
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KR> Looking for KR2 (Flying is OK too!)

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Flying plane in the Mid-West also works for me, if priced "right".Off-list 
contact by e-mail with PIX preferred.Thanks!Marc Lee Winnig  

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KR> KR-2 Flight Sim Plane???

[Marc Lee Winnig]

Anyone know of a KR-2 for MS Flight Sim (X or earlier)?Thanks!Marc Lee Winnig  

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