KR> Building wings

[Larry Flesner]

At 07:46 AM 12/3/2010, you wrote:
>I am contemplating building by stub wings at the same time I build 
>my outboard wings.  Kind of makes since but I have not worked out 
>the details.  I was thinking of installing a temporary rib at the 
>location of the cut for the outboard portion.
>Steve Phillabaum
+

I built my stub wings first then added an additional 48" rib to the 
inboard end of the outer wing panel and used that and the 36" tip rib 
as sanding guides.  When finished I filled in the small space between 
the two 48" ribs at the attach point.  I really couldn't see any 
other way of making the transition smoothly as that is where the 
dihedral starts.  Like Mark, that also became the wall of my fuel 
tank in the outer wing panel.

Larry Flesner

KR> Building wings

[Mark Langford]

Steve Phillabaum wrote:

>>I am contemplating building by stub wings at the same time I build my 
>>outboard wings.  Kind of makes since but I have not worked out the 
>>details.  I was thinking of installing a temporary rib at the location of 
>>the cut for the outboard portion. <<

I did exactly that, and ended up leaving it in place, since it became one 
wall for my fuel tank.

Mark Langford
m...@n56ml.com
website www.n56ml.com

KR> Building wings

[phillabaum...@aol.com]

Hello all,

I am contemplating building by stub wings at the same time I build my outboard 
wings.  Kind of makes since but I have not worked out the details.  I was 
thinking of installing a temporary rib at the location of the cut for the 
outboard portion.  Doing this would save some time using the "Flipomatic" tm 
ML.   One additional reason for this is my fuselage is almost complete 
(including panel) except for fairing in some parts and sanding and sanding.  
(No firewall forward).
Constructive comments to either stop me or push me on is appreciated.

Steve Phillabaum
KR2Swide
Shorter Alabama
334-740-0066

KR>Building wings - Off the plane?

[Kenneth L Wiltrout]

Ron I'm not sure how big a shop you have but I built mine in a 1 car
garage and built it with the wings attached. I had it in the garage with
the wing span running the length of the garage and the tail and firewall 
were between the sides. When it was time to flip it over I got the
neighbor involved. Worked very well.



On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:20:44 -0500 "Ron Freiberger"
<rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com> writes:
> You failed to understand that I don't have enough room to build them 
> that
> way.
> 
> Ron Freiberger
> mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On 
> Behalf Of
> Dan Heath
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:43 AM
> To: kr...@mylist.net
> Subject: KR>Building wings - Off the plane?
> 
> I suggest that you build yourself a Flip-O-Matic, ala Mark Langford. 
>  You
> will need it anyway.  You must be building the top side on the 
> plane.
> Carefully remove it, flip your plane, turn the wing over, put it 
> back on and
> continue on your way.  If you don't build it on the plane, you won't 
> be sure
> it is right, until it is done.  then it is too late.
> 
> 
> 
> N64KR
> 
> 
> 
> Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
> 
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> 
> da...@kr-builder.org
> 
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> 
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KR>Building wings - Off the plane?

[skp...@charter.net]

Ron, Try to find someone building a Mustang II,  I helped 
my father build his wings OFF THE PLANE.  Although they 
are aluminum. I don't see why it can't be done for the KR. 
 Just put in a lot of thought.

Steven Phillabaum
Auburn, AL (KAUO)

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:20:44 -0500
  "Ron Freiberger" <rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com> wrote:
>You failed to understand that I don't have enough room to 
>build them that
>way.
>
>Ron Freiberger
>mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com
>
>-Original Message-
>From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net 
>[mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of
>Dan Heath
>Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:43 AM
>To: kr...@mylist.net
>Subject: KR>Building wings - Off the plane?
>
>I suggest that you build yourself a Flip-O-Matic, ala 
>Mark Langford.  You
>will need it anyway.  You must be building the top side 
>on the plane.
>Carefully remove it, flip your plane, turn the wing over, 
>put it back on and
>continue on your way.  If you don't build it on the 
>plane, you won't be sure
>it is right, until it is done.  then it is too late.
>
>
>
>N64KR
>
>
>
>Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC
>
>
>
>da...@kr-builder.org
>
>
>
>See you in Mt. Vernon - 2004 - KR Gathering
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>
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KR>Building wings..Off the 'plane

[Ron Freiberger]

My problem... not enough garage room for the KRSport wing.  I'm curious to
know how stiff it'll be after I get one side glassed.  Can I detach it from
the wing stub and finish the other side mounted on a "custom made" support
structure?  My goal is 28 foot span, same 36 inch chord at the tips, slotted
airfoil at the outer ends, no washout.

It sure would be easier if I could take the partially completed wing off
with one side glassed.

Someone said, "Opinions are like _.  Everyone has their own, nobody
wants to look at yours".  But with no wing to squeeze or twist here, I need
some opinions.

Ron FreibergerSport pilot in process.
mailto: rfreiberger at swfla.rr.com

KR>Building wings..Off the 'plane

[Joseph H Horton]

On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 16:56:20 -0500 "Ron Freiberger"
 writes:
> My problem... not enough garage room for the KRSport wing.  I'm 
> curious to
> know how stiff it'll be after I get one side glassed.  Can I detach 
> it from
> the wing stub and finish the other side mounted on a "custom made" 
> support
> structure? 
Ron -- I just finished building wings a week ago and I would not remove
the wings half finished. There was still a good deal of flex and twist
that could be induced with one side glassed. When the second side was
glassed I was amazed at how stiff they became. I could not twist the wing
at the tip with it all cured.
God luck Joe Horton

KR>Building wings..Off the 'plane

[larry flesner]

>It sure would be easier if I could take the partially completed wing off
>with one side glassed.
>Ron Freiberger   
+

Ron,

I removed my outer wing panels after glassing the tops. I placed
them on a work table, and then built my fuel tanks complete
except for the closing which was the bottom side of the wing.
There was little if any flex.  I did mount them back to the stub
wings before glassing the bottom but I see no reason you
couldn't do the same with your "custom jig" if it were built
to close tolerance.  

The two critical factors here would be the fit of the wing attach
fittings and building the wing true, ZERO WASHOUT in your case.
A well built jig should hold the attach fittings as you also have
the inboard rib, foam, and glass.  My fittings fit perfectly when
I reattached my wings.

As for holding the wing true, mark your cord lines on the inboard
and outboard ribs and attach a piece of "quarter round" trim
or some type of platform on which to place a level.  SmartLevel
would be best but a good bubble level should be just as accurate.
Make sure you jig the wing with both cord lines level and it
should work out just fine.  I'd even go out on a limb and say that
if you used a piece of 1/4" ply for the inboard rib and used gussets,
that you could do the entire wing on a jig after you glue the ribs
in place with the spars attached to the stub wing fittings.

I recall you wanted some a__h___ to give you an opinion so I felt
obligated to reply. :-)

Have a good one.

Larry Flesner

KR>Building wings/confused?

[larry flesner]

>As for holding the wing true, mark your cord lines on the inboard
>and outboard ribs 
>Larry Flesner
+++

It came to me in the shower that I've probably confused the entire
KR building movement.  

I don't believe the plans call for a 48 inch rib at the inner end of
outboard wing panel.  That was something I added to make 
for easier building.  That gave me a sanding guide on each end
of the outer wing panel and I later filled in the gap between the
stub wing and the outer wing panel.  That is also what helped
to take the flex out of the wing when removed with only one
side glassed.

SORRY ABOUT THAT!

Larry Flesner

KR>Building wings off fuse

[Steve and Lori McGee]

I will be assaulting this issue also. My current plans are to make a cherry 
picker style jig with mocked up wing attach fittings.  Hopefully this will 
allow the construction of both sides without removing, by making the jig so the 
wing can be turned as if on a rotisserie.  

Safe Flying to ya!
Steve McGee
Endeavor Wi.
Building a KR2S widened.
lmc...@maqs.net 

KR>Building wings..Off the 'plane

[roger mitchell]

RON , if your very careful you can handle the wings with one side,including 
leading edge glassed. I did both tops of the wings,removed them and did the 
bottom,I build a rotersery to aid in tis process,I would supply plans for the 
rotersery to any one interseted for a tail wheel version.  could you have room 
if you did one wing at-a-time?  

KR>Building wings/confused?

[Mike Turner]

 If I was planning to glass the other side of the wing off the aircraft I 
think I would glass the vertical surfaces of the foam ribs prior to detaching 
the wings in order to cut down on the amount of flexing of the wings.

   Mike Turner
  - Original Message - 
  From: larry flesner 
  To: KRnet 
  Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 9:50 PM
  Subject: KR>Building wings/confused?


  >As for holding the wing true, mark your cord lines on the inboard
  >and outboard ribs 
  >Larry Flesner
  +++

That is also what helped
  to take the flex out of the wing when removed with only one
  side glassed.

  SORRY ABOUT THAT!

  Larry Flesner



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KR>Building wings - Off the plane?

[Dan Heath]

I suggest that you build yourself a Flip-O-Matic, ala Mark Langford.  You
will need it anyway.  You must be building the top side on the plane. 
Carefully remove it, flip your plane, turn the wing over, put it back on and
continue on your way.  If you don't build it on the plane, you won't be sure
it is right, until it is done.  then it is too late. 

N64KR

Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC

da...@kr-builder.org

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KR>Building wings - Off the plane?

[Ron Freiberger]

You failed to understand that I don't have enough room to build them that
way.

Ron Freiberger
mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com

-Original Message-
From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of
Dan Heath
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:43 AM
To: kr...@mylist.net
Subject: KR>Building wings - Off the plane?

I suggest that you build yourself a Flip-O-Matic, ala Mark Langford.  You
will need it anyway.  You must be building the top side on the plane.
Carefully remove it, flip your plane, turn the wing over, put it back on and
continue on your way.  If you don't build it on the plane, you won't be sure
it is right, until it is done.  then it is too late.



N64KR



Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC



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KR>Building wings - Off the plane?

[Mike Turner]

Ron If you haven't mounted your wafs yet you could put them on the outer wings 
spars,  build them complete to your specications bolt the short wing wafs on 
the fittings you already have in place then line them up to the short wings and 
drill your holes through the spars and attach them last. That would garrentee 
they will fit.
   Hope this makes sense---In other words build it backwards

   Mike Turner
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ron Freiberger 
  To: KRnet 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 8:20 AM
  Subject: RE: KR>Building wings - Off the plane?


  You failed to understand that I don't have enough room to build them that
  way.

  Ron Freiberger
  mailto: rfreiber...@swfla.rr.com

  -Original Message-
  From: krnet-boun...@mylist.net [mailto:krnet-boun...@mylist.net]On Behalf Of
  Dan Heath
  Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 5:43 AM
  To: kr...@mylist.net
  Subject: KR>Building wings - Off the plane?

  I suggest that you build yourself a Flip-O-Matic, ala Mark Langford.  You
  will need it anyway.  You must be building the top side on the plane.
  Carefully remove it, flip your plane, turn the wing over, put it back on and
  continue on your way.  If you don't build it on the plane, you won't be sure
  it is right, until it is done.  then it is too late.



  N64KR



  Daniel R. Heath - Columbia, SC



  da...@kr-builder.org



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