KR> Removable turtle deck

[Sid Wood]

My turtle deck is removable.  24 flat head screws into nut plates in 
aluminum angle bent to match the curve and attached to the longerons with 
AN3 bolts hold it in place.  Removal time is about 10 minutes.  Mine is a 
slightly modified RR factory part.
http://websites.expercraft.com/sidwood/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=355

Sid Wood
Tri-gear KR-2 N6242
Mechanicsville, MD, USA
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? ? ?Does anyone besides Mark have a removable turtle deck or in the process 
of making one??
? ? ?I have mine attached with expanding foam. it would be so simple right 
now to lay the fiberglass and be done with it.

Paul Visk
Belleville Il.
618-406-4705

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KR> Removable turtle deck

[Peter Drake]

Its the back half off a Piel Emeraude, but turned around to make it a bit 
slicker.

I am at last getting on with it having got the approvals for all my mods and 
the Jabiru.

Just done the toe brakes, thanks for the design on your website, Mark.

Just about to start on the firewall forward. I have bought a piece of 0.5mm 
grade 1 Titanium for the firewall to keep the weight down.

Peter

>Note the sexy shape of canopy and turtle deck!
Is that a Grob canopy, or what?  It looks

KR> Removable turtle deck

[Peter Drake]

Hi Paul

I have made a removable turtle deck see www.peterskr2s.co.uk.
It has 6  2024 ally lugs cast in the fibreglass which will have nutplates 
on. They are fixed by screws from the outside.
It means that access to the rear of the fuselage is so much easier. Note the 
sexy shape of canopy and turtle deck!

Peter Drake
Hereford UK


Subject: KR> Removable turtle deck

 Does anyone besides Mark have a removable turtle deck or in the process 
of making one?
 I have mine attached with expanding foam. it would be so simple right 
now to lay the fiberglass and be done with it.

KR> Removable turtle deck

[Mark Langford]

Peter Drake wrote:

 >Note the sexy shape of canopy and turtle deck!

Wow!  That's a nice one!  Is that a Grob canopy, or what?  It looks 
similar to Willie Wilson's.  That's some awesome workmanship.  That's 
going to be a gorgeous plane.  Let us know how the spoiler's work out. 
It ought to have plenty of power with the Jabiru on it.  Lookin' good!

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
http://www.n56ml.com

KR> Removable turtle deck

[Dan Heath]

Removable turtle deck would be nice and could save you a lot in the future, but 
I think that having a removable forward deck is much more important, not to say 
that both are not a good thing to have as Mark has already shown that it is.  
However, I have never seen any other than Marks'.





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 Does anyone besides Mark have a removable turtle deck or in the process of 
making one?

 I have mine attached with expanding foam. 

KR> Removable turtle deck

[Paul Visk]

My removable fwd deck is done minus the header tank. The tank will be made 
after my Dynon avionics are installed.?

Paul Visk
Belleville Il.
618-406-4705

 Original message From: Dan Heath via KRnet 
 Date:05/24/2015  5:46 PM  (GMT-06:00) 
To: 'KRnet'  Cc: Dan Heath 
 Subject: Re: KR> Removable turtle deck 

Removable turtle deck would be nice and could save you a lot in the 
future, but I think that having a removable forward deck is much more 
important, not to say that both are not a good thing to have as Mark has 
already shown that it is.  However, I have never seen any other than Marks'.





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 Does anyone besides Mark have a removable turtle deck or in the process of 
making one?

 I have mine attached with expanding foam. 

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KR> Removable turtle deck

[Paul Visk]

? ? ?Does anyone besides Mark have a removable turtle deck or in the process of 
making one??
? ? ?I have mine attached with expanding foam. it would be so simple right now 
to lay the fiberglass and be done with it.

Paul Visk
Belleville Il.
618-406-4705

KR> removable turtle deck and silicon seal ...

[Donald Greer]

If it hasn't already been mentioned,

In many circles the seal you are describing is known as a 'form-in- 
place' seal.  Working on military aircraft myself, we sometimes use  
tricks like wax paper, tape and even plastic wrap.  More commonly, we  
use a spray-on Silicone Release Agent.  Assures a perfectly formed  
seal, cleans up very easily with iso-propanol and won't interact with  
sealants.

My two cents worth,

Don Greer
Belleville, Ontario


On 18-May-11, at 2:14 AM, Martin Pearce wrote:

> " An additional step might be to place a very thin plastic like  
> "Glad cling
> wrap or equivalent" or other no stick cover on the bottom half to  
> have the
> silicone form a seal without binding."
>
> A smear of oil or grease on one side only will also do the trick  
> with no
> risk of wrinkles .. done that lots when making gaskets for the  
> hull to
> fin joint on custom wood / fibreglass fins for my windsurfer ...
>
> Cheers
> Martin

KR> removable turtle deck and silicon seal ...

[Martin Pearce]

" An additional step might be to place a very thin plastic like "Glad cling
wrap or equivalent" or other no stick cover on the bottom half to have the
silicone form a seal without binding."

 A smear of oil or grease on one side only will also do the trick with no
risk of wrinkles .. done that lots when making gaskets for the hull to
fin joint on custom wood / fibreglass fins for my windsurfer ...

Cheers
Martin

KR> Removable Turtle Deck

[rdrace...@aol.com]

Is this something that can be easily done to an already finished and flying 
 airplane?


In a message dated 5/11/2011 2:26:17 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
phillipmathe...@bigpond.com writes:

The  turtle deck comes completely off in a few mins. I removed it at the 
Natfly  a few weeks ago in Temora and bystanders could not believe their 
eyes.  (thanks Mark L for your  ideas).

KR> Removable Turtle Deck

[Tony King]

I was one of those bystanders.  It was an impressive demonstration of how
easy it can be to access various normally nearly impossible to get to parts
of the aircraft.  I'll definitely be taking that approach.

Cheers,

Tony King
Queensland Australia


On 12 May 2011 07:25,  wrote:

> The turtle deck comes completely off in a few mins. I removed it at the
> Natfly a few weeks ago in Temora and bystanders could not believe their
> eyes. (thanks Mark L for your ideas).
>
>
>

KR> Removable Turtle Deck

[phillipmathe...@bigpond.com]

I have some questions about whether or not to build my TD removable.
For those that did, have you found it useful? Is it worth carrying that
extra weight in the tail to do so?
For those who didn't, have you been able to maintain your aircraft without?



Paul

I have a complete removable forward and Turtle deck. No crawling under dash 
or peaking through inspection holes.

The turtle deck comes completely off in a few mins. I removed it at the 
Natfly a few weeks ago in Temora and bystanders could not believe their 
eyes. (thanks Mark L for your ideas).

I can do a complete inspection in mins.  WOULD not be without it. I am doing 
same on my current project. 

KR> Removable Turtle Deck

[airgu...@comcast.net]

I did not make the whole turtle deck removable. I created an access hatch just 
ahead of the vertical stab. It is simple a portionof the td that is removable. 
Some screws hold it onto the top longeron. It allows access to the very rear 
and the panel behind my head was cut to allow access from the front. 
Paul OReilly 
KR2 Stretched 
N7970K 
Derry, NH 

- Original Message - 
From: "Paul & Karen Smith"  
To: kr...@mylist.net 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:13:03 AM 
Subject: KR> Removable Turtle Deck 

I have some questions about whether or not to build my TD removable. 
For those that did, have you found it useful? Is it worth carrying that 
extra weight in the tail to do so? 
For those who didn't, have you been able to maintain your aircraft without? 

Paul Smith 

Brisbane, AUSTRALIA 

pk.sm...@bigpond.net.au 

http://kr2spacemodulator.blogspot.com/ 

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KR> Removable Turtle Deck

[Patrick and Robin Russo]

Paul
The forward deck that Mark is talking about is very practical and doable 
just as he describes. He could , if he desired, still have built a fuel tank 
integral with the deck and  have that easy on/off with simple disconnects 
for the fuel line. Did I misunderstand,... the turtle deck is the rear deck 
is it not?? And you would like to consider an easy on/off arrangement? Also 
doable but easier and stronger yet might be a simple access panel  located 
near the tail wheel.  A fixed rear deck adds a measure of strenght and 
dampens any torsional or twisting movement of the tail section.
Pat
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From: "Mark Langford" 
To: "KRnet" 
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: KR> Removable Turtle Deck


> Paul Smith wrote:
>
>>>I have some questions about whether or not to build my TD removable.
> For those that did, have you found it useful? Is it worth carrying that
> extra weight in the tail to do so? <<
>
> It's incredible useful!  Complete access to modify or troubleshoot 
> anything
> behind the panel, and I can access it within five minutes, which involves
> only removing the top of the cowl (2 minutes) and the top deck (three
> minutes).  Total weight consists of two feet of aluminum piano hinge and a
> little micro/flox mix to connect the halves to the deck, and about 20 #4
> wood screws to fasten it to the longeron.  I can't imagine the extra 
> weight
> being more than two pounds.  It's a total no-brainer to me.  There are 
> some
> details of the connection at http://www.n56ml.com/kmlfd.html .  There are
> surely better ways of doing it, but so far it's good to 245 mph...
>
> Mark Langford
> ML at N56ML.com
> website www.n56ml.com
>
>
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KR> Removable Turtle Deck

[Mark Langford]

Paul Smith wrote:

>>I have some questions about whether or not to build my TD removable.
For those that did, have you found it useful? Is it worth carrying that
extra weight in the tail to do so? <<

It's incredible useful!  Complete access to modify or troubleshoot anything 
behind the panel, and I can access it within five minutes, which involves 
only removing the top of the cowl (2 minutes) and the top deck (three 
minutes).  Total weight consists of two feet of aluminum piano hinge and a 
little micro/flox mix to connect the halves to the deck, and about 20 #4 
wood screws to fasten it to the longeron.  I can't imagine the extra weight 
being more than two pounds.  It's a total no-brainer to me.  There are some 
details of the connection at http://www.n56ml.com/kmlfd.html .  There are 
surely better ways of doing it, but so far it's good to 245 mph...

Mark Langford
ML at N56ML.com
website www.n56ml.com 

KR> Removable Turtle Deck

[Paul & Karen Smith]

I have some questions about whether or not to build my TD removable. 
For those that did, have you found it useful? Is it worth carrying that
extra weight in the tail to do so? 
For those who didn't, have you been able to maintain your aircraft without? 

Paul Smith

Brisbane, AUSTRALIA

pk.sm...@bigpond.net.au

http://kr2spacemodulator.blogspot.com/

KR>removable turtle deck

[larry severson]

Has anyone looked at an actual removable turtle deck? I would like to have 
one. In the absence of other information, I assume that it is achieved with 
3 one ft. hinge sections on each side using removable pins.

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com 

KR>removable turtle deck

[David McKelvey4764]

Larry,

My turtle deck is removable using a single piano hinge the length of the
deck on each side.  I think it's a good idea in the event you have
maintenance in that area i.e.: flight control cables.  Mike Meyer also has a
removable fwd deck, I liked it so much I'm going to do the same.  As a
Mechanic of 20 years I can imagine the KR is a tough acft to work on unless
you build in access.

Dave McKelvey, Grapevine, TX
dav...@witty.com



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Has anyone looked at an actual removable turtle deck? I would like to have
one. In the absence of other information, I assume that it is achieved with
3 one ft. hinge sections on each side using removable pins.

Larry Severson
Fountain Valley, CA 92708
(714) 968-9852
lar...@socal.rr.com


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KR>removable turtle deck

[Wayne]

The removable turtle deck that Neil Bingham built had some small alumn.
angle bonded or screwed or both to the longeron. The angle was inset just
enough for the turtle deck to fit against it and be flush with the fuse.
There were nut plates riveted to the inside of the angle every 3or4 inches
and the screws he used were counter sunk into the fiberglass. Neil said it
took 20 minutes or so to remove it but he said it was worth it the fist time
he dropped a tool that would have been almost impossible to get to without
the removable deck.
- Original Message -
From: larry severson 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:12 PM
Subject: KR>removable turtle deck


> Has anyone looked at an actual removable turtle deck? I would like to have
> one. In the absence of other information, I assume that it is achieved
with
> 3 one ft. hinge sections on each side using removable pins.
>
> Larry Severson
> Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> (714) 968-9852
> lar...@socal.rr.com
>
>
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KR>removable turtle deck

[Ross Youngblood]

On my KR I have two extruded piano hinges, I just
pull out a hinge pin and the turtle deck opens like
a hatchback!
 -- Ross
- Original Message -
From: "Wayne" 
List-Post: krnet@list.krnet.org
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:43:39 -0700
To: "KR builders and pilots" 
Subject: Re: KR>removable turtle deck

> The removable turtle deck that Neil Bingham built had some small alumn.
> angle bonded or screwed or both to the longeron. The angle was inset just
> enough for the turtle deck to fit against it and be flush with the fuse.
> There were nut plates riveted to the inside of the angle every 3or4 inches
> and the screws he used were counter sunk into the fiberglass. Neil said it
> took 20 minutes or so to remove it but he said it was worth it the fist time
> he dropped a tool that would have been almost impossible to get to without
> the removable deck.
> - Original Message -
> From: larry severson 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 3:12 PM
> Subject: KR>removable turtle deck
> 
> 
> > Has anyone looked at an actual removable turtle deck? I would like to have
> > one. In the absence of other information, I assume that it is achieved
> with
> > 3 one ft. hinge sections on each side using removable pins.
> >
> > Larry Severson
> > Fountain Valley, CA 92708
> > (714) 968-9852
> > lar...@socal.rr.com
> >
> >
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