Re: Re: [lace] Continental bobbins, now RSI and arthritis
I have had both wrists operated for carpal tunnel syndrome and I also have very light arthritis but I go to a hand training class every week and they say that making bobbinlace palms down (I never asked about palms up) are very good for your hands, it strenghtens the muscles on the sides of your fingers and prevent the Z forming of your hand. Some of my friends thought it was because I make bobbinlace that I got arthritis but since I got ill for the first tiime when I was 10 and then I had never heard of bobbinlace it is not that that caused it. But my shoulders can get very sore when I sit too long. Ann-Marie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Handmade???
At 11:00 PM 8/7/2003 +0200, you wrote: I joined some time ago and have been lurking, reading the digest. . Within the past year I decided that I'd like to learn tatting. . How can you tell, by looking at photos such as the ones in these auction, if a lace is handmade or machine made? The seller claims that they are handmade, but they look just like pieces of lace that I have that are machine made. ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2548022631category=2219 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2548023820category=2219 Debbie in Jerusalem Hi Debbie, Welcome! I can't help with the tatting question. However, I'll stick my neck out on the handmade lace. This will be mostly personal opinion so someone else may have a different viewpoint. I believe that both of these lace items are machine made. It is very common for lace sellers (who often don't really know much about lace) to label any lace item as 'handmade'. As is often said, let the buyer beware! It behooves each bidder to assess the item (as best you can from the pictures) to confirm or deny any claims. Somewhere in the mid 1800's, the machines were developed that could duplicate the look of Torchon and Cluny type laces, though not always the techniques. Millions of yards of this lace was produced. The quantity so overwhelmed the production of handmade lace yardage that I start out assuming this type of lace is machinemade, until proven beyond a doubt that it's handmade. If the item is not clearly shown, with an enlargement of a piece of the lace, I sometimes ask the seller for an additional picture. Sometimes I get one, sometimes not. Back to the techniques comment. Look carefully at the center of spiders. Machines had difficulty making spiders the way we do in BL. Use your magnifying glass on the first item listed. The center of the spiders have the threads combined into groups which have a square, basketweave look to them. I can't speak for the other lacemakers in the group, but I don't make my spider centers that way. One key question to ask yourself is: Do the threads move through the lace in normal BL patterns? Do the shapes look like they should in BL? In the second lace, there's some threadpaths along the scalloped edge that don't look quite right. Also, the 'leaves' are long rectangular tallies. The oval leaf shape is more difficult to duplicate. If the leaf/tally has 2 or 4 passives, then it's very likely machinemade. Another clue is to look for a flaw or mistake in the lace. Look along the repeats for 1-3 feet to see if that same flaw is repeated. If you can find it at regular intervals, then it's a machine lace. People mistakes are not usually repeated the same at regular intervals. (I know this clue won't usually work on eBay sales since you can't examine that much lace.) Most important is to get accustomed to the look of handmade lace. Most machinemade lace has something done differently to produce the 'look' of the lace within the limits of the machine action. Half stitch might be done differently. Clothwork may be done in a single direction instead of following the flow of the design. Developing an 'eye' takes time and work. One person once told me that on some laces that did such a great job of duplicating a lace style, only an analysis of the thread could determine handmade from machinemade. When she saw laces like this, she treated them like machinemade since the chances were greater that they were MM. If you are serious about learning more, there are books out that are great references. Elizabeth Korella's Guide to lace and Linens is a good start for learning to recognize the techniques and features of handmade lace. Lace Machines and Machine Laces by Pat Earnshaw deals with the machine laces. There are other books around also. This may give you a few clues. Study and exerience will be the biggest teachers. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - 9400 lightning strikes in 24 hrs. 65 fires. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Reef knot for broken thread
Michelle wrote: Years ago someone on Arachne posted a clear picture and instructions somewhere on the 'net about how to do the reef knot method with third hand, when you have a broken thread. Don't know if this is what your looking for - the diagram of the weavers knot is certainly clear: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/1404/weavknot.gif Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re Wedding Anniversaries and a big than you
Hi Jacqui, I am not sure there is anything for a 70th anniversary. How about using elements which would add up to 70 instead: eg Lace13 Silk12 Sapphire45 or Lace13 Cotton 2 Emerald 55 Hope this helps Karen in Coventry, where it was definately too hot to consider doing anything today. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Handmade??
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 03:47 PM, Alice wrote: I believe that both of these lace items are machine made. It is very common for lace sellers (who often don't really know much about lace) to label any lace item as 'handmade'. As is often said, let the buyer beware! It's not only eBay that has that problem. I was in a little antique shop (in Kent) a couple of years ago which had a lot of linens and laces on offer and most of it was, to me, obviously machine made but was labelled 'handmade'. So I queried one piece and asked how it was made; tatted, crocheted, bobbins, needle or what? By hand was the answer How? I asked, With the hands of course! I left it there! Big Snip - where Alice gives much good advice Most important is to get accustomed to the look of handmade lace. Most machinemade lace has something done differently to produce the 'look' of the lace within the limits of the machine action. Half stitch might be done differently. Clothwork may be done in a single direction instead of following the flow of the design. There are exceptions to every rule;Machine made half stitch generally has vertical and diagonal threads, handade BL has horizontal and diagonal threads in the half stitch, but 's Gravenmoer lace (handmade BL) has half stitch with vertical and diagonal threads. another Big Snip If you can see the footedge of a length of lace that is very often the give-away. Handmade BL always has pairs of threads (apart from the gimps) but machine made laces more often than not have a single, thicker thread right at the edge of the footside. Brenda http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ Supporting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] campaign - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Canadian hankie Blanks
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 03:47 PM, Heather wrote: Does anyone know of a good source for hankie blanks, preferably linen, and ideally in Canada? Shipping from anywhere else, and exchange is starting to prove expensive, but I might have to cave on the Canadian angle. The lace isnt finished yet, so I can be easy on size, although it is for a chistening bonne/hankie. Pre hemstitched would be ideal for my sad sewing skills, but I've faked it before, I can fake it again. No! Please don't use a pre-hemmed hankie, especially if your lace is shaped with corners. With the exception of a yardage lace with gathered corners the rule is Always make the fabric fit the lace and not the other way around. Two reasons for this. 1, Pre-hemmed hankies are nearly always out of square and/or rectangular. 2, The chances of getting a full number of repeats in your lace to *exactly* the same length as the hankie edge is very small. Very briefly; you position your lace over the fabric, pin and baste into place. Pull out (withdraw) a thread from the fabric immediately under two adjacent foot edges and stitch the lace to the fabric using the withdrawn threads as a guide. Then withdraw two more threads along the other two sides, reposition the lace if necessary and complete the attachment of the lace. Then trim the fabric as necessary and work a small hem. Sorry I can't help with Canadian sourcing, but you should be looking at yardage fabric or maybe a good quality man's hankie which you can cut down. Brenda http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ Supporting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] campaign - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Velvet stops the bobbins rolling
Another excellent material for a cover cloth is ultra suede. This is a man-made fabric which is wonderful for cushioning the bobbins, slowing down the rolling, and generally making the pillow feel very nice to work on. And it doesn't get caught in the threads either. Clay - Original Message - From: Adele Shaak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Arachne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 12:05 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Re: Velvet stops the bobbins rolling On Sunday, August 10, 2003, at 07:03 AM, Carol Adkinson wrote: velvet is *not* a good fabric to use as cover cloth or pillow cloth or for anything near to the threads, as the fibre nap from the velvet can get into the threads. I used my velveteen-covered roller pillow for 20 years and did not have this problem. Another pillow cover I have is of mid-wale corduroy, which also stops the bobbins rolling - I think even better than the velvet/velveteen. I have used that pillow for some years without any problems, either. I wonder if many years ago somebody didn't just get a rotten piece of velvet, told everybody she knew, and the story became a lacemaking myth. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] Basic lacemaking supplies
At 07:41 AM 8/7/2003 -0700, you wrote: I just have to ask - what are hookies? The alternative to use a drinking straw doesn't help me figure out the use or description. While I do not have all the required items at hand I do see a small omission in this most comprehensive list. Where is the chocolate for those stressful times when things go wrong when making lace? Should be up there with the band aids as first aid supplies. G Thank you for the first addition to the list. Yes, chocolate should be in there somewhere. G Hookies are bobbins designed for metallic and/or slippery threads. Instead of the regular round-flat or thistle-top head end, a hook of some kind is carved there. The thread wraps around as usual, hitched, but then is passed through the hook. The hook prevents unwrapping without deliberately removing the thread from the hook. A special form of hookie is used with wire lace. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - 9400 lightning strikes in 24 hrs. 65 fires. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Beaten bidder on ebay
I'm really beginning to get annoyed now, thats twice you done this to me, and it ain't funny. Twice? Only twice? And she's annoyed! I've been sniped by the same person multiple times on eBay. And she uses a computer sniping service that puts her bid in during the last 10 seconds of the bid when there is no possible way to counter the bid. The rule holds -- bid the maximum you are willing to pay for that item. If you are high bidder, you get it. If someone else is willing to pay more, they get it. It makes no difference when the bid is received. It either is top bid, or not, when the auction closes. I think it's fun to put a small bid on an unusual item, and then forget it. I'll get either a 'won' message or a 'lost' message. Got a cute hedgehog that way, and a gorgeous Indian Sari. In fact, was sent the wrong Sari. When I notified the seller, she sent the right one and told me to keep the wrong one. Got two for the price of one. G Maybe I'll go browse in eBay and see what has been misnamed today. Happy bidding, Alice in Oregon - 9400 lightning strikes in 24 hrs. 65 fires. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: E-mail from a beaten bidder on eBay
Hi All, I was interested to read this note from Jean. I think you outbid a sore loser that's all. Somebody who doesn't know they should hold on to their nasty letter for a day and re-read it before deleting it! I can relate to the sentiment though. I bid on things because I want them, not to play a game. When the frustration level gets too high and I start taking it personally I take a break from eBay. Mostly because of the snipers. I have not found that bidding early makes the price go up any more than trying to beat out other snipers. On one auction there were four snipers going at it at the very end. Also I don't want to have to keep track of when an auction is ending, especially since they so frequently end in the middle of the night! Jane in Vermont, USA where we've been having some rain off and on making it very humid! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Basic lacemaking supplies - long
We don't now take our bottles, even though what we used to take were the non-alcoholic wines - we thought the reputation may well take some time to live down! Carol I'm sure it's different where you are, but if it had been me, I would have invited him to sit, have a drink, and join me in singing, then proceeded to screech whatever was in my head at the time ! Might as well *have* *something* to 'live down' . . . Toni in Seattle To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thanks
Dear Secret Pal Huge, huge thanks for the August AND September parcels which have arrived recently. You must be going travelling, I hope you have a lovely time whatever it is you are up to. I have to admit to opening both parcels so sorry about that I couldn't resist! It will serve me right when I have no parcel next month. I am already using the spectacles case for my sunglasses. The earrings are exactly 'my thing' and I always choose silver rather than 'gold' so you have done very well! I guess the green stone inlay is malachite? They are very pretty and will go just as well with winter things when the summer has passed. At the moment I can't imagine ever being cold again, it is SO hot here today. The slim little address book is very useful and fits perfectly in one of the credit card slots in my bag. You have sent more of the little perfumed sachets too, this time lavender. My linen cupboard is going to be the best around! The little angel fish keyring is very cute. I have done some beading recently but nothing like that. I shall enjoy using it. The bookmarks will make me smile, the 'quotes' are very apt. The brooch with the bird/sunflower (daisy?) is very lovely and has been worn on my Tshirt already. I really love it. The selection of cards will be enjoyed by me and eventually the lucky friends I choose to send them to. Thankyou once again SP, you are a star! I hope your Secret Pal is being as good to you. With best wishes. Jane Dickinson Sweltering East Sussex, UK. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Basic lacemaking supplies - URL
http://www.langendorfkloeppel.de/proamer/produkt/kloeppz_a.htm Linda Walton, Thanks, Linda - and the glass light-globes are what made me start counting my pennies . . . g Toni in Seattle To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] IOLI Convention report, part I (getting there)
Gentle Spiders, Am beginning to get my bearings after the Convention; not all the stuff is unpacked as yet, and I haven't even started on the laundry, but the pillow table is reassembled, the music stand (to support the diagrams, etc) ditto, I've --essentially -- caught up with email, and added another triangle + to the 5.5 I managed to complete during the workshop (those snowflakes are *addictive* g). Nobody can say I don't have my priorites set straight :) I was very lucky to have got a ride from Betty Ann Rice; I don't think I'd have managed if I had to travel by plane -- just my 24 square block pilllow (*the* pillow Ms Loehr approves of for this project g) would have been awkward. And I had to have my own table; from past experience I know that all the tables provided by organisers are far too high... Stacking 3 chairs does help me get high enough to see what's on the pillow, but feet dangling well above floor level don't help much in controlling tension. Of course the music stand was de rigeur -- where else could I put the folder with the snowflake grounds, not to mention any diagrams that I might be given? And the class kit bag -- 3 rolls of bobbins, box of thread, tool box (pincushion, scissors, crochet hook, pricker, pin pusher/lifter, etc), lamp with spare batteries (8 times out of 10, the light in the so-called classrooms is awful for lacemaking)... And all of it has to be portable, just in case we're not permittted to work in the classroom before or after the scheduled hours... Travelling by car solved all those problems -- we both managed to carry all our necessities (including a gallon of wine g), though it was a tight squeeze. Since the distance from Lexington to Hasbrouck Heights is 475 miles (Betty did the tracking on the web), with extra 50 for Betty to get *to* Lexington, we decided to take it easy -- drive a bit over half-way, overnight at some inexpensive motel, and get to the Convention site bright and early and well-rested (in preparation for the shopping spree and the opening reception g) the next day. We left Lexington a bit before 9 and moving unhurriedly, with a few stops, got a bit past Harrisburg, PA (the site of the next year's Convention) before stopping for the night. Betty mentioned that we ought to gas up soon, but we were both a bit tired, figured we'd be passing gas stations on the way; tomorrow is another day... Indeed it was... :) We got off at a reasonable hour, enjoyed the drive... For about half an hour, when the car sputtered and died -- we were out of gas... :) Luckily, we were in the right-hand lane, and Betty managed to coast off the highway. Unluckily, it happened not to be a proper shoulder, but the bit where a ramp merges into the highway -- just as we stopped, we saw a sheriff's car accelerate in front of us... Luckily, Bettty had a cell-phone (I still don't know how to use it, so don't have one). Unluckily, her service provider doesn't operate in New Jersey; her cellphone would let her call 911, but she could not reach her car service plan. Nor could she reach her cell-provider to tell them what she thought about them g So there we sat, on the very tip of a merge, with cars zooming past us on both sides. Betty wouldn't even let me out of the car for a smoke (which, by that time, I needed rather badly), though she let me open the window all the way down and hang out as far as I could reach. Finally, someone sent via the 911 came and filled the car with enough gas to take us to the nearest exit and gas station; we lost only about 40 minutes through our adventure. But, as we got back on the highway, Betty turned to me and said: drat that man... I've not been married to him for more than 20 years, and he *still* messes up my life; if I hadn't been talking about him, I'd have noticed that the tank was so low I must say I'm glad that my car *screeches* when it gets low; it used to annoy me at first, but now I think it's a blessing :) - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] SP thank you
it was great fun opening these nice little elf coloured green parcels ... i still can't get over the fact there is english lavender lol i had always thought lavender was only grown in the South of Europe !! the smell is gorgeous and as i intended to buy shower gel it couldn't be better timed. By the way china tea with lavender tastes real nice . i'd never have thought of mixing tea and lavender .. not creative enough when it comes to tea i guess lol ... the bobbin is precious and so delicate and the thread cutter came as a real surprise . my lace pals were much interested . i proudly wore the pin to go to my lace lessons and the photo frame is gorgeous ... i am delighted !!! thank you again dominique To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
