[lace] Admin: Margery's cake recipe
Strange as it sounds, Margery is subscribed only to lace-chat and not to lace. We have no idea how her cake recipe ended up on the lace list. So all baking experts on the list are kindly requested to post the cake recipe messages to lace-chat so that Margery can have the benefit of your wisdom. ;-) Best wishes, Avital - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] progression from the copyright discussion
>>>From: Jane Partridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] But maybe there are ways we could make it easier for those who wish to obtain a legal copy to identify who designed the pattern in the first place? (And I know I'm a terror for often simply putting JP or JMP and the year on my patterns!).<<< Well, if everyone is working from a bought (not copied from a friend) pattern, there's a good chance they'll remember what book/magazine they got the pattern from. Not always, especially if they've cut out the pricking long ago and just now gotten around to working it, but much of the time. That'll help. If lacemakers wrote the source on the back of their prickings, that would help even more. The other thing is for designers to put their *name* on the pattern next to the pinholes (so it won't get cut off when trimming excess paper), not just initials. Still, getting permission to copy an out-of-print pattern will be difficult with just a name. It means finding the publisher's address so you can write to them to try to get the address of the designer, then writing to the designer to get permission to use it. A long delay and a lot of bother, both of which promote pirating a copy. I don't know any way around that. Robin P. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA http://www.pittsburghlace.8m.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] For bobbin makers?
Anybody wanting a branch of Burning Bush can come by here and get one from the big tree in my garden (and a cup of tea too, if desired). -- Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Question about divider pins
Hi all, My question is where can I buy 2" (50mm) stainless steel straight pins (without glass heads) for making divider pins. I have several pretty beads that are too big for spangling but would make great divider pins. The problem is that I can't find **sturdy** pins on which I can glue my beads. I'm looking for pins without glass heads and that are about 2" long -- when I tried shorter (and easier to find) pins, there wasn't enough pin shank left to make a useful divider pin. I **did** try to do a Google search, but I was unsuccessful or I got way too many hits (as in 22,000!). What pins do you use to make your own divider pins? Candace in central PA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Question about divider pins
Hi Candace, To make divider pins I use doll needles that I get from Joann Fabrics, a chain fabric store that is common in the Pacific Northwest. The doll needles are found in my store in the sewing needles section of the store next to the sharps and ballpoint handsewing needles. The doll needles come in two sizes here, 3" and 6" if I remember correctly. They are much sturdier than the ordinary hand sewing needles, thus the needle diameter is larger and they poke quite a hole in your pillow. My pillows are stuffed with wool and I have lots of homemade coverings so I don't mind the needles' big hole at all. The stability and length of the doll needle divider pins make the holes insignificant to me. And I love divider pins with flashy beads that are easy to see. My first step in making the divider pins is to plug up one end of the bead hole with epoxy, letting it throughly dry. Then I place my needles sharp side down into some styrofoam, mix more epoxy, spread it around on the top of each needle, and place the bead on it. Let dry 24 hours. If you can drill a small straight hole into a broken bobbin, you can give it a new life as a divider pin by gluing it onto a doll needle. I didn't figure out this on my own, Mikki, a lacemaker in Fairbanks, showed me how to make them. Mikki likes to wrap a thread around the needle which she then soaks with epoxy before putting the bead on. I have found that I don't need to do that. I just put the epoxy straight onto the needle and then I slip the bead on. It works for me. Sally Schoenberg Anchorage Alaska It's the end of summer. Bolete and Shaggy Mane mushrooms are growing everywhere, berries are begging to be picked, and the bears are plump and glossy. I know the bears are plump because one crossed the Gull Rock trail at Porcupine Creek just ahead of us the weekend before last. What excitement! - Original Message - From: "candace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 6:34 AM Subject: [lace] Question about divider pins > Hi all, > > My question is where can I buy 2" (50mm) stainless steel straight pins (without glass heads) for making divider pins. I have several pretty beads that are too big for spangling but would make great divider pins. The problem is that I can't find **sturdy** pins on which I can glue my beads. > > I'm looking for pins without glass heads and that are about 2" long -- when I tried shorter (and easier to find) pins, there wasn't enough pin shank left to make a useful divider pin. > > I **did** try to do a Google search, but I was unsuccessful or I got way too many hits (as in 22,000!). > > What pins do you use to make your own divider pins? > > Candace in central PA > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] "Cattern Cakes and Lace" - the cookbook
In a message dated 9/12/03 1:30:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I measured/weighed the most common ingredients. I found that the American tablespoon is about the same as a dessert spoon in England, and the teaspoon doesn't veer far from the teaspoon (as with a cup o') Here they are: Cake flour - 1 cup = 3 oz Plain flour - 1 cup = 4 oz Unbleached flour - 1 cup = 5 oz Sugar - 1 cup = 8 oz. Icing sugar - 1 cup = 4 oz (this is the same as confectioners sugar) Brown sugar, packed - ½ cup = 4 oz 1 cup = 8 oz Solid vegetable shortening - ½ cup = 4 oz Dry, uncooked regular oatmeal - 2 cups = 5 oz Raisins - 1 cup = 5 oz Chocolate chips - 1 cup = 6 oz >> Dear Lacemakers, Betty Ann's conversions do not cover all measures, but it occurred to me that keeping a copy of what she has converted would be helpful to Americans if printed and placed in "Cattern Cakes and Lace - A Calendar of Feasts", by Julia Jones & Barbara Deer, published by Dorling Kindersley of London in 1987, ISBN 0-86318-252-6. The above book is in full color, with lovely pictures of laces and lace tools sprinkled on the pages of recipes. If you see it for sale on eBay, it is a book you might enjoy. Cattern Cakes, the first recipe in the book, is the only one I ever tried from this book. "Jeri does NOT cook", is my mantra. Not surprisingly, my "cakes" were not a success. This was probably because I did not get the measurements correct, but considering lack of experience...it was culinary stupidity. The book explains that Cattern Cakes were traditionally served on November 25th (easy to remember - one month before Christmas). St. Catherine's Day was named after St. Catherine of Alexandria, martyred in 310 AD. (The instruments of her death are reported to have been a spiked wheel and a sword.) She became known as the patron of unmarried girls. Eventually, the wheel became the emblem of spinners and lacemakers, for whom she became a patron saint. Later - in England's history - this day was chosen to honor Queen Katherine of Aragon, who was patron of local lacemakers during her imprisonment at Ampthill. The poor lacemakers set aside small amounts of money so they could serve cakes and tea on this day. So this will not take off as a topic of discussion, let me add that the stories of St. Catherine of Alexandria and Queen Katherine of Aragon were very fully debated on Arachne a couple years ago. This memo is about the beliefs in England. There are conflicting beliefs in other countries. Rather than write on and on and on, I recommend you do a variety of on-line searches for further information. You will soon see that there are a variety of interpretations of the origins of St. Catherine of Alexandria, St. Catherine's Day, etc. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Question about divider pins
Thanks to all who replied on and off the list. I have some great ideas and instructions now. I join the crowd of others who praise this list for its seemingly endless ability to help others. Candace in central PA (soon to be making divider pins!) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] For bobbin makers?
am 12.09.2003 15:18 Uhr schrieb Aurelia L. Loveman unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > Anybody wanting a branch of Burning Bush can come by here and get one from > the big tree in my garden (and a cup of tea too, if desired). -- Aurelia > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aurelia, The next time I am lucky enough to come west over the ocean I take your offer with pleasure. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about divider pins
Actually, I tend to use needles for sewing dolls (ie: soft sculpture needles). I find that if I wrap a small bit of thread around the top and use the two part epoxy glue from the hardware store, that I get long lasting and sturdy pins Jut how I do it anyway Mikki Fairbanks Alaska (where it is beginning to look like snow...) Candace wrote: | I'm looking for pins without glass heads and that are about 2" long -- when I tried shorter (and easier to find) pins, there wasn't enough pin shank left to make a useful divider pin. | | What pins do you use to make your own divider pins? | - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Terminology - Bedfordshire/Torchon
I have come across a rather odd reference and I was hoping some of our British members might be able to help. In Gabrielle Pond's book "An Introduction to Lace" she refers to Bedfordshire as a Torchon lace. First, in the photographs on page 29, the photo of what I would call Torchon is labelled "East Midlands Bobbin Lace, c 1870" while on the same page what I would call Bedfordshire lace is labelled "Traditional Torchon Bedfordshire bobbin lace." I would have thought that this was just a printing mix-up in the labels, but she makes the same reference in the text. On page 31 she describes Torchon as "A common type of lace made chiefly in England and France from cotton or flax, in geometrical designs, rather similar to Maltese. It is often coarse and used principally for household linens." I think this description applies more to Bedfordshire/Cluny than it does to what we now call Torchon, especially the "rather similar to Maltese" reference. My question is - did people in England generally refer to Bedfordshire as Torchon lace, or is this just something Gabrielle Pond came up with? By the way, these references are taken from the second edition of the book, published by Charles Scribners Sons in 1973. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about divider pins
> My question is where can I buy 2" (50mm) stainless steel straight pins (without glass heads) for making divider pins. I have several pretty beads that are too big for spangling but would make great divider pins. The problem is that I can't find **sturdy** pins on which I can glue my beads. You'd be surprised how many quilting pins lose their heads as you use them! If you'd asked last month, I could have supplied you with about 20! I was having to remove them from the pillow with tweezers. The pins which did this were a box of all yellow, quite large, plastic heads. Sue - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] progression from the copyright discussion
Spiders, When I was recently trying to find a lace book I pulled them all out of the bookcase and else where and piled them up as I went. I have a pile of books 4.5' high - this excludes the pile of prickings in folders (another pile which is 3' high). Since I started making lace I have always written the source of the pricking onto the pricking itself so I can remember where I got it from. Also, when I first started, I was advised that if I was working from a pricking, taken from one of my books, that I photocopied the working directions and took those out to lace classes or groups rather than the book (and after recently loosing my wonder Richard Gravestock pricker I am vowing never to take anything I love out of the house - EVER). Now, just incase I ever wanted to make it again, I made sure I wrote on the photocopy where I took it from so I could find the original book when I needed it (and, just to show I'm really sad, I also made sure that if I had problems with part of the pattern I also noted down where I solved it from - yes I'm sad but it may have something to do with the fact that post-it notes had just been invented) Love to you all Liz In a message dated 12/09/2003 14:15:50 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: RE: [lace] progression from the copyright discussion > Date: 12/09/2003 14:15:50 GMT Daylight Time > From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet > > > > >>>From: Jane Partridge [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > But maybe there are ways we could make it easier for those who wish to > obtain a legal copy to identify who designed the pattern in the first place? > (And I know I'm a terror for often simply putting JP or JMP and the year on > my patterns!).<<< > > Well, if everyone is working from a bought (not copied from a friend) > pattern, there's a good chance they'll remember what book/magazine they got > the pattern from. Not always, especially if they've cut out the pricking > long ago and just now gotten around to working it, but much of the time. > That'll help. If lacemakers wrote the source on the back of their > prickings, that would help even more. The other thing is for designers to > put their *name* on the pattern next to the pinholes (so it won't get cut > off when trimming excess paper), not just initials. > > Still, getting permission to copy an out-of-print pattern will be difficult > with just a name. It means finding the publisher's address so you can write > to them to try to get the address of the designer, then writing to the > designer to get permission to use it. A long delay and a lot of bother, > both of which promote pirating a copy. I don't know any way around that. > > Robin P. > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA > Regards Liz Beecher I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see what it's all about - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace Terminology - Bedfordshire/Torchon
Adele said In Gabrielle Pond's book "An Introduction to Lace" she refers to Bedfordshire as a Torchon lace. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3550728677&category=112 4 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3551222852&category=112 4 must be serendipity but there are 2 copies on ebay at the moment jenny barron Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about divider pins
Candace, I bought some about 10 years ago from DJ Hornsby (the son) but I am sure that I saw for sale at the last Xmas Fair at the NEC Liz In a message dated 12/09/2003 15:33:50 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Subj: [lace] Question about divider pins > Date: 12/09/2003 15:33:50 GMT Daylight Time > From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent from the Internet > > > > Hi all, > > My question is where can I buy 2" (50mm) stainless steel straight pins > (without glass heads) for making divider pins. I have several pretty beads that > are too big for spangling but would make great divider pins. The problem is > that I can't find **sturdy** pins on which I can glue my beads. > > I'm looking for pins without glass heads and that are about 2" long -- when > I tried shorter (and easier to find) pins, there wasn't enough pin shank left > to make a useful divider pin. > > I **did** try to do a Google search, but I was unsuccessful or I got way too > many hits (as in 22,000!). > > What pins do you use to make your own divider pins? > > Candace in central PA Regards Liz Beecher I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see what it's all about - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Terminology - Bedfordshire/Torchon
Torchon was being made in the East Midlands at that time but 'Torchon Bedfordshire' I don't know and I'm not sure about the 'Buckinghamshire spider pattern bobbin lace' either! Another *mistake* is she mentions Nottinghamshire when I'm sure she must have been referring to Northamptonshire, a commonly made mistake, the three main East Midlands lacemaking counties being Beds, Bucks and Northants. Diana (Northamptonshire, UK) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Question about divider pins
On Friday, Sep 12, 2003, at 10:34 US/Eastern, candace wrote: My question is where can I buy 2" (50mm) stainless steel straight pins (without glass heads) for making divider pins. [...] What pins do you use to make your own divider pins? Needles (preferably "embroidery" ones, with a long and narrow eye). Or corsage pins -- the plastic "bulb" thingie is easy to crush and remove. But I've never had much luck setting pins in beads -- beads, esp the bigger ones, tend to have big holes. I just don't throw away any pretty bobbins with broken necks... :) - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace Terminology - Bedfordshire/Torchon
Jenny wrote: In Gabrielle Pond's book "An Introduction to Lace" she refers to Bedfordshire as a Torchon lace. Yes, um, ... that's the book I was quoting from. I just wondered if everybody else did too or if it was just her. Since I wrote that message I read a little in Emily Jackson's "Old Hand-Made Lace" and she uses similar terminology. Adele - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] The "meddle method" of design
On Friday, Sep 12, 2003, at 02:14 US/Eastern, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Liz)
wrote:
[...] for those of you who have always wanted to design - here is a
thought - I
remember making Joan Kelly's basket for my mum. A friend at my lace
group
liked the pattern but wanted to make a bigger basket, so she sat down
and
designed her own one. When she finished, it looked nothing like Joan
Kellys' - the
pattern of the torchon was completely different but she had used the
idea as
inspiration. Also, she learned a lot from the process [...]
That's *almost precisely* how I started... The first, baby, steps
were just to substitute stitches in Torchon elements, to see what would
happen if (I "open up" the cloth st diamond by substituting a big
spider? Or "close" an area by making cloth instead of hst?). The next
step was a situation almost identical to the one Liz describes...
There was a (Beds) butterfly, in Nottingham's Technique of BL which I
liked very much, so I made it. Then I thought it needed a mate, but I
didn't want it identical. I drew the same-size butterfly in "profile",
stole as much from the original as I could, and filled in the gaps with
what I thought might fit where I couldn't steal. Made that, and was
reasonably pleased with the results. Then I used a pattern (which I
never made "as is") as an "inspiration" (stole the layout and
techniques ) for "building" a rose. Which was OK, but needed a stem
and some leaves. Those were drawn "cold", but I found the techniques
needed in Cook's Practical Skills in BL ("built in" a T and a D into
one of the leaves; why not puff myself up a bit? )...
By the time all that was done, I realised that I had the makings of an
illustration for a little Polish rhyme (in translation: "a rose said to
a butterfly: nobody's looking; go ahead and pollinate"). With a
"twist", yet -- now the rose had a choice of *two* suitors... :) So
that's how I mounted it -- the rose is beckoning (with a leafy stem)
the two admirers...
The whole thing is rather crude, but I'm still pleased with it. Mostly
because I had the sense to embroider the date on the mounting fabric:
1989. Can't remember when *exactly* in '89 it was made, but it had to
have been after February (when I finally managed to build my first
pillow, carve and spangle my first 12 prs of bobbins, and start setting
the first stitches as described in Fisher's "Torchon for Today" which
I'd brought with me from England in late December of '88). OTOH, it had
to have been finished before late Nov of that year; I went to pieces
then, when I heard of my Mother's death, and didn't emerge at the other
end of the tunnel until late March of '90 (having to re-learn the C and
the T all over again)...
And I too learnt a lot from the process... Mostly that the sky is the
limit; there are always bits and pieces one can "beg, borrow or steal"
from other patterns if necessary -- the number of *existing* patterns
(each offering different temptations and technical solutions) is
endless... And that it's *easier* -- in the long run -- to start with
your your own drawings, work as much as you can on your own, and steal
only when your own skills fail you.
That's when I stopped automatically throwing out all the giftie
catalogues (can't draw to save my life, but I'm a whiz with an eraser,
and they're an excelent source of ideas ), and also when I began
exploring the "tape" laces (first Russian, then Milanese); "piece lace"
being easier to design in than continuous (if you like "pictures",
which I do)
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Tamara P Duvall
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Lexington, Virginia, USA
Formerly of Warsaw, Poland
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[lace] Re: Witches' Work?
On Thursday, Sep 11, 2003, at 16:31 US/Eastern, Marcie Greer wrote: Reading back issues of LMi, a technique called Witches' Work was mentioned in an article by Berthilda Vandoren in connection with Binche. Does anyone know what this is and have some information about it? I'll be interested in seeing some answers myself... :) I'm not going to offer any guesses, but I'm certain-sure that I've seen the term before (might have been "Witches' Stitch), and not too long ago (no more than 3 yrs, I shouldn't think). I think there even was a photo... It couldn't have been LMI, because I never subscribed to it... But a quick peek at the nearest 3 yrs of OIDFA magazines (the most likely "bet") didn't produce any results, so now I've broken out in an itchy rash: *where* was it Talk about having too many resources... :) - Tamara P Duvall mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] 's Gravenmoer pillow
Can anyone tell me - does the replica 's Gravenmoer pillow on the Kleinhout Lace Supplies web site have moveable blocks in the working area? Or is it just a single, flat working surface? Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Question about divider pins
The long pins we suppliers used to buy to make dividers were made by Newey who as you know went out of business. I was told the machine that made that particular pin was broken up. We have a few left which we guard with our lives as we need one for each pin box we make. When they have all gone we will probably have to give up making the box as I have never found any thing else to replace the long pin. KEEP LACING, VIVIENNE, BIGGINS - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
