Re: [lace] Re: Convention on campus
*My* "whine" (to use Alison's term ) has always been: why can't we have conventions at University campuses? Their accomodations (room and board) are likely to be cheaper than those at hotels that are fancy enough to sport Conference Centers. And, their classrooms ar likely to be beter fitted for workshops than a hotel's conference rooms... I was told that, although it was possible in Europe, it wouldn't "play" in US. That Americans liked to be able to take a lift (elevator) from the bedroom to the dining room, to the classroom, to the meeting room, instead of having to walk from hall to hall. Ah, well... :) Baloney The Northwest conferences are held on college campuses. It works out very well. Lacers take over the dorm lounges between classes and do a lot of socializing while making lace. The dorm-food-class locations are usually very close, and no further than we had to walk in Santa Clara or Tulsa to get from our room, wayy to the other end of the building to the vender's room and classrooms. We do have to venture out into the weather -- and take our chances on that but it usually isn't too bad for the five minutes it takes. Modern dorms and class buildings have elevators, also. Usually, we are the only people on campus, but sometimes there's another group there also. We've shared grounds with weaving groups (fun to see their stuff too) and other similar groups. Once it was a choir conference, and they sang for us. It's true that the accommodations on campuses are not quite as deluxe as big hotels, but they are much kinder to the pocketbook. It's the lace and contacts that are important, not the pictures on the wall. A sewing group I belong to always uses campuses for the lower cost and lots of classrooms. I imagine that there are some people who think that a college dorm is not acceptable, but there are more who are grateful for the lower cost. The less spent on the room, the more available for the vender's room. That extra $40-50 a night means several bobbins or spools of thread. Or a video. Or new pillow. Or book. For the above reasons, campuses are in demand. Finding one with the time and space available might be the problem. I'll get off my soapbox and go finish my bookmark. And start a new one. This will be number three this week. I'll have some on hand if/when I need one. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon (Secret Pals -- have you sent your January package?) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI Convention Practices
In a message dated 1/16/04 9:56:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Devon's mentioned the hardship placed on any *single* group that > volunteers to host a Convention; there's a lot of work involved, as > well as a financial "speculation" which almost matches those on the > Stock Exchange... That's why the the last (Hasbrouck Heights, NJ) > Convention had been organised by *three* groups - to spread the onus > more equitably. --- Dear Lacemakers, There is a need to explain charges some people are not accustomed to paying. It is important to realize that hotel practices and pricing have changed through the years, and the contracts our organizers now sign really commit the Chairwomen to pay the hotels no matter what extenuating circumstances arise. You can be sure the hotel lawyers are on permanent retainer to enforce contracts! Some things are best left unexplained to the world at large. But, the critical comments lead me to ask - How many of the people writing and complaining know that the revenues collected for the very-well-attended Convention in New Jersey were not adequate to pay the hotel obligation? I was told the three sponsoring New Jersey groups did not make money. I respect them for how this problem was quietly handled it without upsetting many people. The hotel was paid - before we all checked out. It is probably this experience that has influenced the pricing of the Harrisburg Convention. The Embroiderers' Guild of America charges commuters. I do not recall what the American Needlepoint Guild does, but probably the same. The reality is - a convention committee usually needs all the public rooms, and reserves them for a convention, and the price charged is based on hotel occupancy. It is not fair for only those staying in the hotel to subsidize these bills. Those who commute are using the public facilities - classrooms, exhibition rooms, sales room, rest rooms, hospitality area, elevators, etc. and they should be expected to pay some portion of the costs. My past experience with The Embroiderers' Guild is that as long as I showed a membership card I was admitted to the general salesroom and the book salesroom. I did not have to be a seminar registrant. I cannot remember leaving a book salesroom at EGA or ANG without spending in the neighborhood of $1,000 -- and a portion of the sales (I think, 10%) went back to the treasurer of the seminar. My collecting habit may be more extravagant than most, but it has always been my best intention to shop in a way that would benefit the sponsoring organization. At the New Jersey IOLI Convention, I walked around the salesroom every day and did extra shopping. Some vendors kept adding new things, and as I moved around, I also noticed that the arrangements changed. For example, the vendors of antique laces did not always keep the same items in a prominent position. It is best to be careful how you complain. There are nicer ways to effect change. Complaining publicly about an organization like IOLI can do permanent damage. If there are too many complaints, there may not be volunteers. Without volunteers, there will be no Conventions. Within my memory, this happened to a very fine organization called The National Standards Council of American Embroiderers. It folded, for lack of volunteers and people willing to serve as officers. I have attended many Conventions and Seminars in the past 35 years, and there are many more comments I could make in response to the Arachne correspondence on this subject to-date, but I'll sign off now and let someone else rant a bit. Just re-read the previous paragraph before you do - please. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Salesman's lace samples on ebay
On Jan 16, 2004, at 3:43, Jean Nathan wrote: There's a folder of Honiton and Point lace samples on ebay. No, they're not. They are -- as Robin thought -- samples of *tapes* used for laces of the Battenberg and Duchesse type (ie needle-made fillings for shapes formed out of machine-made tapes. Which can, but don't have to be, appliqued on net). Those laces have had different names attached to them in different areas and at different times. USA, at one point (early 20th c?), used "Honiton" and "Point". "Honiton", because Honiton uses a tape outline; "Point", because a needle is used to fill the spaces. But neither has anything to do with bobbin lace, nor is the book something that a museum would be likely to care much for -- too common by half :) BTW, Jane Viking-Swanson (our "resident specialist" on lace made of machine-tape with hand-fillings) is, at the moment, the highest bidder. If she gets it, I'm sure she'll make it available to any serious student of that type of lace (prbably via Tess and Tess' Professor). - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Question about Convention
Before we're told to take ourselves elswhere (perhaps IOLI could have a separate discussion list/forum? Could help with getting the opinions of those who cannot attend the Convention to the ears/eyes of the IOLI officers?), I'd like to add my bit On Jan 16, 2004, at 2:12, Clive and Betty Ann Rice wrote: It is very intense to take 6 hours in 1 day. There is no time for "homework" in which one can identify problem spots and have them ready for the next class. To each her own... :) I'm one of those people who -- if permitted -- will sit in the classroom throughout lunch and way past suppertime working on my piece till the brain "packs in". But, once it does, *that's it* for the day. I never, ever, do homework in a workshop situation. a) I have too many paraphernalia to be carting them back and forth between classroom and bedroom. b) bedrooms never offer enough comfortable space/light for any serious work. c) I need a *block* of time to "recharge the batteries", just as a need a *block* of time to buckle down to the task on hand -- forgetting about my current project for the night is essential... And that has been my "method" ever since I picked up the bobbins for the first time; if anything, I'm *less* intense now than I used to be -- it's a rare day *now* that I'll work on the pillow for 12 hrs straight, taking off enough time only to brew a new cup o'T and to get rid of it... So, I never even looked (my Bulletin came today VBG) at any classes that were less than 24hr tuition -- waste of time for me. And there were two -- Lierse (tambour) and Cantu (BL) -- that are tempting. Both are different from what I do normally, but both could be "scavenged" for ideas... If the dollar keeps drooping (I wish someone came up with Viagra-equivalent for it), I may not be able to go to OIDFA/Prague afterall. In which case, I may go to Harrisonburg instead -- at least it's within my driving distance. THAT is the best use of the teacher. I teach Bucks and Torchon, and I know the importance of "homework." Different, if you see your students *once a week*; homework *then* is a necessity, else you have to start form scratch (or pretty much) at each meeting. I think this Convention is planned by someone who has never been to any IOLI Conventions, Yeah, well... *Originally*, IOLI was but a small branch of the Doll Collector's Club (or some such), and I dare say that any changes to *their* habits/"traditions" were hotly contested, also :) I *abhore* "change for the sake of change", but I don't think sticking to something "because it has always been done *so*" is a much better answer. I hope others join me in a boycott. OK. Everyone has a right to vote with their pocketbook... *And* to say why they voted "no". Hopefully, some lessons will be learnt from such "votes". *But* -- a big, big, "but"... Inciting to riot (or to boycott) is quite a different story... It is -- to use the *mildest* term I could come up with afer some serious tongue-biting -- "not nice"... I have my own reservations about the forthcoming Convention... IMO, there are too many classes scheduled (I *really liked* the "to be announced" one in the 24 hrs slot ), involving too many teachers (and their fares, accomodations, meals), and I think that the fragmentation of workshops is responsible for it -- not only hell is paved with the best intentions. It's likely to result in many classes not being filled and then canceled, causing many disappointments. The whole "layout" seems chaotic in the extreme, making it difficult for people to meet, and getting a semblance of a sensible meeting of all attendees an imposibility... I take a class that suits, early in the week, and hightail it outa there as soon a poss; I'm not going to hang around, at $90 per night for a meeting 3 nights hence. If, OTOH, I'm there *anyway* (to meet a class next morning) I'm likely to come and, at least, *hear* what the policies for the next year will be (though I'm likely to *be heard* also ) So, for schedule, it seems to me to be a "Sampler Convention" -- a quilt made by many participants, but without a master design -- where everyone makes a square of any size and colour they wish, and there's nobody to sew it together because the sewing together is not possible. While paying for the priviledge of access to the vendor room for non-attendees is not unheard of (even for IOLI), limiting access for attendees does seem a bit "off"... Most of my shopping at the last NJ Convention was done on the day before my first day of class (registration day) and on the non-class (trip) day. But I went there at least once a day every day, just to see what I might have missed on a previous trip (and still missed a lot of stuff). I should think that issuing name-tags to registered attendees would be enough to gain them access at any time they wanted. Devon's mentioned the hardship placed on any *single* group that volunteers to host a
[lace] Re: Vendor hours at Conventions, etc.
From an old retired vendor of lacemaking supplies, let me clear up a few points in question. The convention sales room is closed during class hours so that vendors who teach do not have to hire help or bring hubby along to watch their goods. Russell Groff (of Robin and Russ) and I rabble roused for years to have the sales room open 24/7 during convention, since we rented the majority of the tables, paid the most money to transport goods, and offered the widest selection of supplies. I cannot recall a single year when we were able to prevail - maybe Seattle? Weavers charge a fee to non registrants to enter display and sales rooms - at Convergence it's $10 or even $15 for a "one day pass." A commuter fee? I agree, it's a blatant rip-off. It is fine to break even, recoup original investment, but no sponsoring group should make a substantial profit from what is supposed to be the convention of an educational, non-profit group. And just to finish off with one last whine, why can't the convention be held in May or early June before the heat of the summer? I remember Phoenix, AZ at 114 degrees F and 90% humidity (thunderstorms!) August is, well, too darn hot. Best wishes, Alison - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI Convention
Oh Dear Betty Ann !!! You know I love you dearly, but one can hardly equate the vendor area of IOLI with Walmart!!! If that were true, we'd be getting our supplies there. (Come to think of it, I'd probably not be making lace at all, because I'd rather be drawn and quartered than have to deal with the crowds and the waits and the parking problems at Walmart...) And I'll be that IOLI doesn't hire illegal aliens!! (small attempt at humor...) But I understand your frustration, and think that if everything else about this convention was up to your standards, the addition of a fee for the vendor room wouldn't bother you. It's just that it's one of many things... Clay - Original Message - From: "Clive and Betty Ann Rice" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [lace] IOLI Convention > Yes, Robin, you can pay a fee to shop the days you are not in class. Debra > Bender, co-chair of the Convention quoted me $7. That's like charging admission > to Wal Mart! > > Betty Ann > > Panza, Robin wrote: > > > This seems poorly thought out to me. If I'm taking class all day, that > > doesn't leave much time to shop! I'd want to have an extra day before or > > after my class day(s) to shop. I wonder if the committee can be persuaded > > to relax this rule, at least. Can't people who enroll in shorter classes > > have one extra day to shop as part of their package?... > > > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Vendors at IOLI convention
Kenn, I don't think the problem we're thinking about is the sales room being open...it is that, for example, one registers for a 12 hour class, Monday and Tuesday, 3 hrs am and 3 hrs pm. One won't be allowed in the sales room *without paying a fee* except for the days they have a class or meet the "color code" as described in the Bulletin. Betty Ann Kenn Van-Dieren wrote: > Traditionally the vendor room at the IOLI convention has had limited hours > and is secured during the remaining hours. As people register for class > purposes few are about during the class hours and the vendor room is closed at > that time > So if you spot that "must have item" there are times available. Or possibly > a friend that will be there later. And as all the vendors do mail order, > this would work as a last resort. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Question about Convention
IOLI Bylaw, Article IX, Section 6 Convention Committee: a. shall plan and and hold an annual convention. b. a chairman shall be appointed by the Executive Board Article VII, Section 4 duties of the First Vice President: a. shall be chairman of a committee to establish convention sites. Thus, these two bylaws do not spell out the actual duties of the Vice President. The Convention Committee Chairman, according to that bylaw, is to "plan and hold an annual convention." The First Vice President "shall be chairman of a committee to establish convention sites." Does this mean the Vice President (who is always First without stating the fact) is NOT the Chairman of the Convention Committee but just approves the site? Is the Convention Committee the local one who is to host the convention? I was told by a couple of members of the Board that they only advised *if asked* by the host Guild. And I understand that they were not asked and if advice was given, it was not heeded. That's why I shall submit a Bylaw amendment in a 3 column format, i.e. (1) the present bylaw(s), (2) the rationale for amendment, (3) the proposed amendment. Since I'm boycotting the Convention this year and I want to be present to speak, if necessary, for approval of the amendment, I shall submit it at the 2005 Convention. Be warned, Gentle Spiders. I have chaired conventions of a heritage organization that were 5 days with banquets, luncheons, Historic evenings, business meetings, and many activities every day including business meetings a.m. and p.m. There was a minimum of 350 in attendance; some years more than 500. However, I had to report my plans to the General or Division Board, depending on which convention it was, for approval. That's why we need the convention to be mandated "by law" to report to the IOLI Board or their Committee for approval before the plans are published. I'll shut up now, get off my soapbox, make lace and watch E! or Oxygen TV, the smuttiest channels I can get without PPV... Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When we had 200 attendees in New Jersey in the previous NJ convention, I thought it > remarkable that roughly 10 percent of the membership attended the convention. The > most recent New Jersey convention had an attendence probably closer to 25%, which I > consider an incredible figure. It seems oddly anachronistic that for an event so > important to the members > of the organization that there is so little input from the National Organization. > One thing that has not been addressed in this conversation is whether it is > fair to put one small group out there to take all the responsibility for a > national convention. The local sponsoring group is not only making all the > decisions but it is taking all the financial risk for a venture that now involves a > lot of money. When a local group puts on the convention they don't have the benefit > of having done so every year.. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Teaching children
Hello Spiders, I have twin 12-year-old boys and both of them made lace ornaments this year. One of them started making lace about two years ago and I started him on a 'bandage'. That took him less than an hour to master. Then I had him make a half stitch snake which was a little harder but he picked it up fairly quickly. The next thing he did was a small lace gingerman (from an Anna magazine) for Christmas 2002. It was a tape lace piece with extra twists between passives to separate the edges from the middle. I had to do some of the corners and sewings because I didn't have the time to teach him all that at that time of year. This year he wanted to do another one, so he did - again with a little help from me. My other son decided he wanted to do an ornament as well so I just started him on a tape lace sleigh (with me doing the corners and sewings). There was no way I had time to teach him on any practice pieces as I was busy making our Christmas gifts. Well, he did a beautiful job. He picked up the stitches very quickly and his tension was PERFECT. So never underestimate what a child can do! Happy lacing, Cindy - in cold, windy Wisconsin - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] IOLI Convention
At the annual convention of the Australian Lace Guild, we have workshops which run from 9.30 a.m. - 3.30 p.m. each day, with a 20 minute break for a morning-tea cuppa, and an hour for lunch. Workshops are usually either 2 and/or 4 days, depending on the subject. On Saturday morning, we have our Annual General Meeting, then in the afternoon, it's time for vendors. There are no vendors during the week - only on Saturday afternoon. Wednesday is a free day - and the committee usually organise an optional bus trip to a local place or places of interest, which is very much appreciated by the people who live in other states. This all seems to work very well - I've never heard complaints about the timetable, and it can mean, as Betty said, that someone who wants to do a workshop on Monday/Tuesday has to hang around till Saturday for the AGM and final dinner. I was in this position myself a few years ago, and I just took a pillow and sat in the back of a workshop making my own lace. We also get a small influx of new people on the Thursday/Friday, who've just come for a shortened convention. We usually try to have the convention in accommodation such as university colleges (our convention is held in the holiday period) or similar - which helps limit the cost. The exception was when the Tasmanian Branch of the Guild organised the AGM - there we held the convention in a hotel due to lack of other suitable accommodation. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) "Panza, Robin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>From: Clay Blackwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I also have never seen the limits on the vendor rooms either...if you take a short class, you can only go in on the day of your class!! <<< This seems poorly thought out to me. If I'm taking class all day, that doesn't leave much time to shop! I'd want to have an extra day before or after my class day(s) to shop. I wonder if the committee can be persuaded to relax this rule, at least. Can't people who enroll in shorter classes have one extra day to shop as part of their package? I think I understand the commuter fee. Convention hotels provide meeting rooms and support (cleaning, setting up tables, water/glasses, etc.) on the assumption they're being used by people paying for sleeping rooms. Yes, there's a significant fee for the use of each meeting room, but it's still partly subsidized by the registration of sleeping guests. If people sleep at home or at some nearby cheap motel, the convention hotel isn't getting its "fair share" (from the hotel's point of view) of revenue for the meeting rooms it's providing. It may be that there are more than the usual number of cheap motels near this year's convention, and the committee is worried about getting enough registration at the convention hotel to cover the meeting room fees. The committee may have imposed the commuter fee to help pay for meeting rooms that will be used by people the committee expects will find cheaper housing. just my opinion, Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI Convention
Yes, Robin, you can pay a fee to shop the days you are not in class. Debra Bender, co-chair of the Convention quoted me $7. That's like charging admission to Wal Mart! Betty Ann Panza, Robin wrote: > This seems poorly thought out to me. If I'm taking class all day, that > doesn't leave much time to shop! I'd want to have an extra day before or > after my class day(s) to shop. I wonder if the committee can be persuaded > to relax this rule, at least. Can't people who enroll in shorter classes > have one extra day to shop as part of their package?... > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Vendors at IOLI convention
Noelene in Cooma wrote - >. . . but I would like to know why > it is necessary to limit those attending to specific times in the > vendors' room? I would find this very, very frustrating! > Do you get more than one "go" at it? What happens if you > spot someone with an item they've bought which you "must" > have and you can't get back in? Traditionally the vendor room at the IOLI convention has had limited hours and is secured during the remaining hours. As people register for class purposes few are about during the class hours and the vendor room is closed at that time. I did search out my vendor invitation and found this "tentative" (i.e.: may or may not change) Sunday, 1 August 1600-1800 hrs Monday, 2 August1200-1330, 1800-1900 hrs Tuesday, 3 August1200-1330, 1800-1900 hrs Wednesday, 4 August 1000-1800 hrs Thursday, 5 August 1200-1330, 1900-2300 hrs Friday, 6 August1000-1800 hrs Saturday, 7 August 1000-1600 hrs While the vendors do not sell outside of the Sales Room during the show, most are available during the week. I usually have pre orders for the larger furniture pieces and folding stands that can be picked up at the show and registrants then save on the shipping cost. Also any item that is ordered and can not be filled at the show is shipped without that added cost. So if you spot that "must have item" there are times available. Or possibly a friend that will be there later. And as all the vendors do mail order, this would work as a last resort. *** Kenn Van-Dieren Bobbins by Van-Dieren 2304 Clifford Avenue Rochester, NY 14609-3825 Tel: 585.654.5711 Cell: 585.750.8842 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: www.bobbinmaker.com * - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE:finishing lace project
Hi All, just wanted to add my 2 cents worth, and I'm sorry it's a few days late - been pretty hectic this past week with helping DH pain his newly renovated office and move back in. As someone who's entered lots of State Fairs/Agricultural shows, and who's also judged at the Colorado State Fair a couple of times, I'd offer the following: 1. I heartily agree with the advice to first check the entry rules for the fair. Each is different. I don't think there are any for Colorado, but the Royal Melbourne Show in Oz is very specific about how they want their items presented. They want all their pieces attached in the top left (or right - don't remember which off the top of my head) corner ONLY. No frames. So one only needs a couple of stitches to attach ones piece to it's presentation backing. 2. As a Judge, I like this. It allows me the chance to see it presented nicely (in most cases) on some (hopefully) contrasting material/card, whatever, so that I don't have to try to find, and place the piece against my clothes or whatever to be able to see the piece. It also allows me the chance to flip the lace up so that I can see the reverse and finishing - critical elements in my mind when something is being entered for Judging. Obviously this is difficult for very large items such as table cloths, and I think exceptions are made for them, but I think for the smaller pieces, it's nice to have your piece on a background of your choosing. I think the pieces that people have taken the trouble to at least mount on some complimentary fabric or card have a little more "wow" factor/appeal than one that's just a piece of limp lace plopped in front of me for my scrutiny. It seems to show that the lacemaker has made a little extra effort to display their work favourably. As I said, this is hard to do with lace mounted on pillows, pin cushions, table cloths, etc. 3. As a contestant I like this, as it means that I'm not worrying about a frame and glass being broken in transit or if an accident should befall my work at the fair grounds. I also feel that I'm showing the Judge that I'm not trying to hide some poor finishing or whatever. 4. By mounting on a piece of card or fabric, it does offer some protection to your work when it's being displayed by the show/fair people, This is guaranteed, but it can help them, as they may be more inclined to stick a pin/hedge stake through the fabric/card than through the lace. Although, I qualify this with personal experience as an entrant in the Royal Melbourne Show - one year I entered a length of black beds, which was mounted on some wide ribbon, and I'd carefully finished the ends of the ribbon to match the end of the lace, and left some room between the lace and the edge of the ribbon. The Show people still managed to skewer a tally with a "hedge stake" (that's what they used that year, and you cringed when you saw where they'd skewered peoples' work). I know there are as many ways of presenting a piece as there are of making and looking at it. These are just some of my thoughts from my experiences. Cheers, Helen, Aussie living in overcast and cool Denver - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] need help
So far all I've thought of is pre-winding all but one pair of bobbins (I feel they must know how to wind a bobbin properly) and perhaps starting with the Springetts Snake? Any idea what's the average length of time that should take for a beginner? I was hoping that I'd get that done in the first four hour session, but now I'm wondering. Then what do I give? What would be the ideal length of time for something like this anyway? Sharon: I see a difference between what you'd teach in a 12-hour workshop and what you'd teach in a continuing class. For a continuing class, you want to slowly improve skills, so it is logical to move slowly through the basics, gradually increasing complexity over time. That's because they get to practice each week between the classes. With a workshop, they don't have the practice time and the gradual approach isn't so useful. I would plan for at least two pieces. The first is your simple bandage, showing cloth stitch, half stitch, and a ground. This will take up the first section of the class. The second piece would be an edging that uses the same basic stitches in different combinations. I suggest an edging partly because it is open-ended - you don't have to get to a certain point to be finished. People who are going fast can make a longer edging, the slower ones can be happy with their shorter piece. You can devise a simple Torchon edging where one area (like a fan edge, or an area inside the design) is done differently in successive repeats. Don't use a large number of pairs - just enough to make a reasonably nice edging. Of course, make it fairly big and use thicker thread, so they can follow the pairs easily. You might also come prepared with a third pattern, slightly different, for any keeners or people who came with some knowledge of bobbin lace, so they can move on if they've got the first one. You will need complete directions, of course, for the basic movements and for the edging. Then in the class you can just take people through the directions. Also, people get enthused when they see the thing used, so you could make the edging and attach it to something, or coil it up to make a pretty flower. Have several samples available for them to look at. The most common mistake I've seen in beginner workshops is where the teacher plans something that takes 12 hours to make - for the teacher. The students barely get started, and the workshop is over. When you calculate how much actually lacemaking time you will have in the class, remember to deduct coffee breaks, setup time, and the time that you spend explaining things to the class. It is hard to remember how long it took you to do things when you were learning - my rule of thumb is that if I think it will take a beginner 3 hours to do, it will actually take them 6. Good luck. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] need help
I think I've just got myself into a bit of a mess. I was asked to give a short class on lacemaking for a fibre arts symposium in May. At the time all I thought about was the prospect of gaining more lacemakers. Now the reality has struck, and I'm wondering how the heck I'm going to teach enough to snare some permanent interest with just 12 hrs tuition? So far all I've thought of is pre-winding all but one pair of bobbins (I feel they must know how to wind a bobbin properly) and perhaps starting with the Springetts Snake? Any idea what's the average length of time that should take for a beginner? I was hoping that I'd get that done in the first four hour session, but now I'm wondering. Then what do I give? What would be the ideal length of time for something like this anyway? Perhaps I'm trying for the impossible, but I hate to pass up a chance to spread the craft. Your thoughts would be welcome. Sharon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Vendors at IOLI convention
Living in Australia, I have of course no thought of ever going to a convention/congress etc overseas, but I would like to know why it is necessary to limit those attending to specific times in the vendors' room? I would find this very, very frustrating! Do you get more than one "go" at it? What happens if you spot someone with an item they've bought which you "must" have and you can't get back in? Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: Stitches/teaching children
Dear All, Thanks for your many and varied thoughts on teaching the stitches and children. I greatly appreciate your insights. I have saved all of your comments so that I have them for future reference :-) I think when my son's turn is due, I will try reversing the schedule for half and double half, and see what happens. He's a very visual learner, so it will be interesting to see what happens. Cheers, Helen - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI Convention
I am not in commuting distance but YES it looks like your being penalized and that SUCKS!!! Sorry to be so blunt but that would keep me from going. (in fact I am not going...and though I have considered it, I think maybe I won't in the future) Cearbhael - Original Message - From: "Cherry Knobloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 6:11 AM Subject: [lace] IOLI Convention > I don't believe the convention is being tailored to local lacemakers, in > fact, we are being penalized for living within commuting distance. This is > practically in my backyard but there are no classes that interest me enough > to pay the high costs of attending. I will save my pennies and go to Ithaca > in the fall. > > Has there ever been a commuter fee for an IOLI convention before? > > > > > Commuter Fee: A commuter fee will be charged to those who have registered > for the Fancy ($60), Plain ($50) and Blue ($40) Packages, but are not > staying at either the Holiday Inn East or the Harrisburg-Hershey Marriott. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Question about Convention
In a message dated 1/16/2004 10:53:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Apparently the IOLI Convention Committee is in an advisory capacity only, and only if asked. I will propose a Bylaw change the next time I go to IOLI Convention, you can be sure! We need Convention and Class Guidelines! I am still in a happy state of ignorance about the convention due to the fact that I haven't received my bulletin. I have no opinion about how this convention will turn out . However, the subject has been raised before that the convention has become very large and very important to the membership and that customs devised in earlier days might no longer be ideal. When we had 200 attendees in New Jersey in the previous NJ convention, I thought it remarkable that roughly 10 percent of the membership attended the convention. The most recent New Jersey convention had an attendence probably closer to 25%, which I consider an incredible figure. It seems oddly anachronistic that for an event so important to the members of the organization that there is so little input from the National Organization. One thing that has not been addressed in this conversation is whether it is fair to put one small group out there to take all the responsibility for a national convention. The local sponsoring group is not only making all the decisions but it is taking all the financial risk for a venture that now involves a lot of money. When a local group puts on the convention they don't have the benefit of having done so every year. When I used to give children's birthday parties I learned something every year and every year they got better and more trouble free. If I tried to put one on now that I haven't done it in a while it would be a disaster. (I count the year when I devised the "party tarp" a decorated painting tarp to cover the carpet in the dining room as when I was hitting my stride.) I am eternally grateful to the volunteers who give up two years of their lives to put on one of our conventions, but they are really out on a limb all by themselves and I am not sure it is fair to them. What do other comparable organizations do? Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] wardrobe of the Prince of Ligne
What no one else has mentioned so far, with regard to the wardrobe of the Prince of Ligne, is how tragic it is that the current holders of the collection are unable to maintain it and that it is being broken up and sent to the four corners of the world! It seems to me that some museums spend a lifetime trying to acquire such a pristine intact collection from one era. It's a very sad thing when something like this is let go. I hope it was well photographed and well documented before it was sold, but something tells me not. (Well, obviously there are *some* pictures...) > http://www.coutaubegarie.com/php/catalogue/diaporama_vente.php?id_vente=236 Clay - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] IOLI Convention
>>>From: Clay Blackwell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I also have never seen the limits on the vendor rooms either...if you take a short class, you can only go in on the day of your class!! <<< This seems poorly thought out to me. If I'm taking class all day, that doesn't leave much time to shop! I'd want to have an extra day before or after my class day(s) to shop. I wonder if the committee can be persuaded to relax this rule, at least. Can't people who enroll in shorter classes have one extra day to shop as part of their package? I think I understand the commuter fee. Convention hotels provide meeting rooms and support (cleaning, setting up tables, water/glasses, etc.) on the assumption they're being used by people paying for sleeping rooms. Yes, there's a significant fee for the use of each meeting room, but it's still partly subsidized by the registration of sleeping guests. If people sleep at home or at some nearby cheap motel, the convention hotel isn't getting its "fair share" (from the hotel's point of view) of revenue for the meeting rooms it's providing. It may be that there are more than the usual number of cheap motels near this year's convention, and the committee is worried about getting enough registration at the convention hotel to cover the meeting room fees. The committee may have imposed the commuter fee to help pay for meeting rooms that will be used by people the committee expects will find cheaper housing. just my opinion, Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI Convention
Hi Cherry - In my memory, there has never been a commuter fee before. Nor has the schedule been so fragmented, making it difficult to justify taking a shorter class but staying around all week to be part of the other activities. I also have never seen the limits on the vendor rooms either... if you take a short class, you can only go in on the day of your class!! I have seen the vendor room closed to all except those registered until after a certain day, and I have seen non-registered guests charged a minimum fee to go to the vendor room only, but I've never seen registered attendees limited to when they could go. I'm afraid that this limits the numbers of customers the vendors will have, and will therefore have a negative impact on the number of vendors who will be there - and this would be a terrible blow. The committee has clearly wanted to make sweeping changes to the fabric of the IOLI convention. In an effort to make the convention more accessible to working members, they have also affected the quality of the traditional convention which has been so attractive to so many members for decades. Unfortunately, I think they are throwing the baby out with the bathwater. But please remember that the convention committee is separate from IOLI leadership. While our IOLI officers are publically positive or non-committal on the subject, I suspect that they are also concerned about the impact that this convention will have on membership and on the organization's ability to meet a quorum at the annual meeting and to do the business than needs to be done for the year. So when you're reading over your bulletin and trying to decide whether to go... keep an open mind and remember that this event is about IOLI, not the committee. If you can possibly weather the inconveniences and expenses the new format has imposed, please go to convention and support the organization! And as for your membership - take heart in the fact that if this convention is a complete flop, then this venue will not be repeated. Clay Clearly, the organizers are trying hard to - Original Message - From: "Cherry Knobloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 7:33 AM Subject: [lace] IOLI Convention > I don't believe the convention is being tailored to local lacemakers, in > fact, we are being penalized for living within commuting distance. This is > practically in my backyard but there are no classes that interest me enough > to pay the high costs of attending. I will save my pennies and go to Ithaca > in the fall. > > Has there ever been a commuter fee for an IOLI convention before? > > > Commuter Fee: A commuter fee will be charged to those who have registered > for the Fancy ($60), Plain ($50) and Blue ($40) Packages, but are not > staying at either the Holiday Inn East or the Harrisburg-Hershey Marriott. > > > Cherry Knobloch > Camp Hill, Pa USA > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Question about Convention
Dear Gentle Spiders, The following is sent to the list in response to the many messages of support I have received about the Convention. It will explain that I did not go off in a sour grapes mode, and it will save my sending privately to many of you. I wrote privately to Debra Bender with a copy to Mary Derrick, my friend and the Southern Regional Director. This was after I got my IOLI Bulletin and analyzed the classes, fees, rules, etc. We heard rumors at last year's convention that the Convention would be a different format, but the Board could do nothing according to the Bylaws. Apparently the IOLI Convention Committee is in an advisory capacity only, and only if asked. I will propose a Bylaw change the next time I go to IOLI Convention, you can be sure! We need Convention and Class Guidelines! I wasn't going to say anything, except personally to my friends. I maintained that Keystone Lacers had the right to set the Convention classes as they wanted, and I had the right to spend my money elsewhere. Had Deb not sent the exact same reply to Mary Derrick, I would not have posted her message, sent to me, to the list without her permission. However, when I found that a BCC (blind copy) was sent to Mary, I decided to go to the list. I know I'll get a lot of flak for going to the list but I don't give a rat's tail... Happily Boycotting, Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Salesman's lace samples on ebay
>>>From: Jean Nathan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There's a folder of Honiton and Point lace samples on ebay. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3267453133&category=114 <<< This looks like the tapes for Battenberg-style lace-making. Jane VS, check them out--some are really fancy! Robin P. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] IOLI Convention
Speaking of which, anyone know what is going to be taught at Ithaca this year. Last year's notice is still up at Holly's site (of course the year has barely begun...) Any rumors of the classes for 2004? Marcie in Latrobe, PA is practically in my backyard but there are no classes that interest me enough to pay the high costs of attending. I will save my pennies and go to Ithaca in the fall. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Euro, was: wardrobe of the Prince of Ligne
> The projected price is 180-250 of a currency denoted by a C with two cross > hatches. Is that Francs? Euros? What are they or were they expecting for this What you're describiing here are Euros. At one time the value was approximately equal to the US dollar, but I believe they're higher now. Greetings from Beautiful British Columbia Esther Perry - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: [lace] wardrobe of the Prince of Ligne
The projected price is 180-250 of a currency denoted by a C with two cross hatches. Is that Francs? Euros? What are they or were they expecting for this Brussels applique fan with carnations? Although accessories are in a different class than straight lace, I am constantly asking myself whether lace is the antique that never appreciates or whether this is the dip where clever people are buying before the big run-up. Pessimistically, I am thinking it is the antique that only loses value. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace] wardrobe of the Prince of Ligne
> http://www.coutaubegarie.com/php/catalogue/diaporama_vente.php?id_vente=236 > Thanks for posting this site. > I'll take lot 262, thank you. > > Devon How interesting to mount white lace on black net over black fansticks. I would have mounted it on white net and it may not have showed up so well. It would be interesting to see the piece in "real life" Sue - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] wardrobe of the Prince of Ligne
In a message dated 1/16/2004 3:53:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.coutaubegarie.com/php/catalogue/diaporama_vente.php?id_vente=236 Thanks for posting this site. I'll take lot 262, thank you. Devon who has decided not to go into the Metropolitan today because of the cold temperatures. Disappointing because we are unpacking the last box from the textile study room, a treasure box containing English and Irish laces, as well as some French and I was looking forward to it. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] IOLI Convention
I don't believe the convention is being tailored to local lacemakers, in fact, we are being penalized for living within commuting distance. This is practically in my backyard but there are no classes that interest me enough to pay the high costs of attending. I will save my pennies and go to Ithaca in the fall. Has there ever been a commuter fee for an IOLI convention before? Commuter Fee: A commuter fee will be charged to those who have registered for the Fancy ($60), Plain ($50) and Blue ($40) Packages, but are not staying at either the Holiday Inn East or the Harrisburg-Hershey Marriott. Cherry Knobloch Camp Hill, Pa USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] IOLI Convention
I don't believe the convention is being tailored to local lacemakers, in fact, we are being penalized for living within commuting distance. This is practically in my backyard but there are no classes that interest me enough to pay the high costs of attending. I will save my pennies and go to Ithaca in the fall. Has there ever been a commuter fee for an IOLI convention before? Commuter Fee: A commuter fee will be charged to those who have registered for the Fancy ($60), Plain ($50) and Blue ($40) Packages, but are not staying at either the Holiday Inn East or the Harrisburg-Hershey Marriott. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] wardrobe of the Prince of Ligne
This morning, I saw in the local paper that wednesday, they sold by auction a part of the wardrobe of the "Prince de Ligne" in the Hôtel Drouot (Paris). The Prince de Ligne actualy lives in Beloeil (Belgium) not far from the place where I live so it woke my curiosity and after googling a bit I found this site : http://www.coutaubegarie.com/php/catalogue/diaporama_vente.php?id_vente=236 where you can see all the marvelous costumes and other textiles (fans, tablecloths, ...) he sold. I'm sure Bjarne and other textile specialists will be interested. Liduina from a stormy and rainy Ath in Belgium. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Salesman's lace samples on ebay
There's a folder of Honiton and Point lace samples on ebay. Although it's an interesting item for individuals to see, I'd think it more likely to be of interest to a museum or other institution that displays this kind of thing for maximum enjoyment of lacemakers in general. It would be a shame for it to be shut away where no-one could see it. Seller will post worldwide. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3267453133&category=114 or search for item number 3267453133 Jean in Poole - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Question about Convention
Dear Deb, Thank you for replying to my inquiry, but since this year's Convention is geared to those who cannot attend the whole week, I find that I will not attend at all. This will be the first Convention I have missed in, I believe, 6 years. The only class I am interested in is on Monday and Tuesday, 6 hours each day. I then would have to pay a hotel bill for the rest of the week in order to be able to attend the banquet at the end of the week. It is very intense to take 6 hours in 1 day. There is no time for "homework" in which one can identify problem spots and have them ready for the next class. THAT is the best use of the teacher. I teach Bucks and Torchon, and I know the importance of "homework." I think this Convention is planned by someone who has never been to any IOLI Conventions, and it is geared to one-time attendees and your local lacemakers. Other IOLI members are disenfranchised. I didn't start lacemaking intensely until I was retired and had the time and funds to do it. I will spend my Convention funds elsewhere. And what do you mean? PAY $7 to BUY? You must be kidding! I doubt if I'll be the only one cancelling their plans for IOLI Convention this year. Many have voiced their concern to me privately, and hopefully to you. I hope others join me in a boycott. Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello Betty Ann, > Thank you for taking the time to write and share your concerns. > > Expenses for the convention are considerably higher than in the past. > Airfares, even for US teachers, have more than doubled since 2001. Because we > must cover all the expenses for lodging, meals, transportation, etc. in > addition to the teaching fees for each teacher, we have scheduled classes in > such a way as to make the best use of each teachers time and expertise, as > well as to minimize the costs that need to be passed on to each participant. > > In a survey taken last year, it was made quite clear to us that persons with > limited time and income have been left out of the convention over the years. > To that end, we are offering more classes at the end of the week and on the > weekend to allow persons with limited vacation time, or time they can be away > from their families, to participate. > > Any package, except the Fancy, can be upgraded or added on to. If you should > decide to register for the 12-hour package, you can pay the additonal $7 for > unlimited admission to the Sales and Exhibit Rooms. > > We trust that you can understand that a Convention Committee must meet the > needs of a broad base of participants, while keeping an eagles-eye on the > budget. > > Thank you again! > Deb > > -- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.keystonelaceguild.org - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
