[lace] Welcome, Coventry and UFOs
We have a new arachne, Jill Harward, who just happened to win the John Bull Trophy with the Hydra. We were talking on Saturday at the awards ceremony at Coventry, and she let slip that she has finally joined having been listening to me going on about all the things I find out about here. But she also said she is just lurking as she doesn't know what to post about. The Myth and Mystery Exhibition was very good, but it was so crowded (because of the awards) that even my partner said we'll have to go back and have another look. It was good to meet other arachnes; Brenda Paternoster and Ann Day were there but I also met Jane Partridge for the first time and Sue Babbs from the States. Unfortunately her little book and its stand (right in the front of a big display case, Murphy's law in action) had fallen over and was not showing it's most flattering side. They are going to try to rescue it. Jill and I both agreed that we would not want to be judges, there seems to be a very fine line between those that won a medal and those that didn't. There were several pieces I was impressed by; Janice Blair's Phoenix and the big Ann Dyer wall hanging come to mind as I write this. Richard had taken his own camera and when I looked through the photos he'd taken, there were several of pieces that I didn't remember seeing - is it just that they look different when they are in isolation on a photo or did I really miss them. Back to reality, and to work on some UFOs which include my first flower from Rosemary Shepherd's book and a Kortelahti paper string picture, both worked and just waiting to be stiffened, a Beds edging and some Torchon designs nearly ready to work. I also have two bits of coloured Milanese in progress, but they are resting so don't count as UFOs! Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] longest UFO
Jenny Barron wrote: That could be our next question - what's your longest running UFO? what are the chances of it ever being finished? Mine is the huge Bruges flower mat I started on Jan 1st 2000 and haven't finished the central section yet as using the pillow gives me back ache if I use it for more than 20 minutes. Or is that another question - biggest mistake ever started that you won't give up on? I don't have any real UFOs in lace, like Clay ( I think it was), I consider 2 years old work in progress, and that's the oldest I've got on, but I do have a knitting UFO. DH and I went to New Zealand in 1995, and I bought some lovely natural wool to make him an Aran jumper. I started it immediately, but I only work on it for abourt 2 hours once a month, so I've only done the front and back, and I'm working on the first sleeve now. The worst is, I'm not sure I'm going to have enough wool, so I might have to undo everything, because I don't think I'll be able to buy more wool now! :-)) Mind you, I've already knitted him 4 Aran jumpers, so he's got something to wear! My worst mistake is also a knitting one. I started knitting myself a jumper when I was in England in 1968 for a year. I took it back to France at the end of the year, kept working on it from time to time, packed it up in my trunk when I came to Australia in 1969, didn't touch it for another 5-6 years, moved 4 times with all my stuff, took it out again around 1975, finished it, put it on, decided I didn't like it at all, and undid it. It must be the most travelled piece of knitting ever, no? With lace, if I start something and don't like it, I tend to cut it off! I've only got 6 pillows, after all, can't afford to have one with a piece I don't enjoy doing!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who's sleeping in the lounge for 2 nights (with DH) with all the bedroom furniture stacked around, so the new carpet can be put down tomorrow. The cats are very disgruntled as they usually sleep on the sofa and glared at us all evening until we turned the lights off. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] UFOs
Christine J wrote: ...And, only last night, I tied off some samples I made for Pat Milne's invisible joins workshop in ?about 1992... Pity you weren't a bit closer to Melbourne, Christine, you could have joined our group yesterday and Saturday at the Ashburton Community Centre in Melbourne and got another lesson!! We had a great 2 days workshop with Pat on invisible joins and torchon for T-shirts. She has amazing talents for thinking of alternative ways of doing a piece. One piece of torchon can be become 6 different looking ones, just by changing colours, the direction of the coloured threads, and the number of bobbins in each colour. I spent a very happy 2 days playing around with 2 different patterns (so now I've got to finish both!), thanks to block pillows which let you remove one pattern while still pinned down to one block, and replace that block by an empty one for the next pattern. I'm looking forward to our next meeting to buy some coloured threads to try out different patterns again. I didn't do the invisible joins, as I had also done a class wirth Pat some years ago, at one of the Tasmanian AGMs, I think. It's great, but I try to avoid pieces that need to be joined as much as I can, I find that with my bad eyesight, I can never see the threads, and I keep digging into them instead of between them. Pat also showed us the beautiful Bucks hankerchief borders she's been making from the Luton lace book. So gorgeous! We hope she'll come back soon to give us a workshop in Bucks so we can try some of them. Waiting impatiently for your book, Pat!! I hope you publish one soon!! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne. Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] UFOs
Malvary wrote: I'm not doing too much lace at the moment as I'm working hard to finish an afghan for my cousin's wedding on the 24th July. Squares are all done, I'm sewing it up and then I have to crochet the border Malvary, what I want to know is: who is going to wear the Afghan? Is it for you, or is your cousin starting a new wedding dress fashion?... Helene, the froggy from Melbourne Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: UFOs
Helene wrote: who is going to wear the Afghan? Is it for you, or is your cousin starting a new wedding dress fashion Now that is a different idea - especially as I don't know what I'm going to wear yet!! Here in Canada and the US too, I think, an afghan is a throw, blanket or cover made (often, but not exclusively) in granny-squares. The one I am making has a pattern of variegated squares surrounded by plain navy squares. It is finished except for crocheting 2-3 rows round the edge and finishing it off with a scalloped edge. Malvary in Ottawa - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] UFOs
She has amazing talents for thinking of alternative ways of doing a piece. One piece of torchon can be become 6 different looking ones, just by changing colours, the direction of the coloured threads, and the number of bobbins in each colour. Helene, And don't forget changing the stitches in ground or motiv, then you have some more pieces to do. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] pictures
Hello everyone and Roslyn The 'net is a wonderful source of lace 'stuff' - thank you for your message, Roslyn, and for reminding me that there are sites I have bookmarked and need to revisit! Have a fine, laceful summer (or winter, downunder) - I have another message to post, about the laces we're making 'now' -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins http://www.victoria.tc.ca/~wt912 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: UFOs
Aaahh!! Like Helene, I thought of it as a sort of loose dressa bit like ..oh! gosh! what was his name?? There was a famous singer (male) some years ago who used to wear an afghan...I'm starting to think I'm catching husband's Alzheimer's!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) Malvary Cole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Helene wrote: who is going to wear the Afghan? Is it for you, or is your cousin starting a new wedding dress fashion Now that is a different idea - especially as I don't know what I'm going to wear yet!! Here in Canada and the US too, I think, an afghan is a throw, blanket or cover made (often, but not exclusively) in granny-squares. The one I am making has a pattern of variegated squares surrounded by plain navy squares. It is finished except for crocheting 2-3 rows round the edge and finishing it off with a scalloped edge. Malvary in Ottawa - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Another new (to me) lace book
Woohoo - I just bought a copy of DESIGNING MOUNTING LACE FANS by Christine Springett on e-bay. With shipping from Great Britain it only cost $12 Cdn, I hope that is a good price. Even if it isn't I am still happy to add another book to my growing collection...oh no - soon I will have to actually *start* making lace grin. Just wanted to share. Janet in Fort McMurray, Alberta, Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: UFOs
Hi All, The singers name was Demis Russos (? spelling) who also nearly did not make it from a Hijacking of a ship in the Mediterranean Sea some years ago. On the Lace front, I have not done any for a while but hope to get back to my 4 1/2 piece for an Altar cloth I started at Christmas. I did one of Eeva Liisa's pictures (The Crucifixion) last year for my father's 80th birthday - it will be on the walls of the Foyer at State Parliament House from 22nd August for 3 weeks as part of the Lace Guild's commemoration of 25 years of operation. Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: UFOs
Thanks Mary - I knew someone on Arachne would know!! You've mentioned the exhibition at Parliament House - I've got a circular piece of Flanders (which is actually in a frame encircling a photo of another lacemaker!) and The Olney Handkerchief going on display in the same exhibition. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) --- mary carey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, The singers name was Demis Russos (? spelling) who also nearly did not make it from a Hijacking of a ship in the Mediterranean Sea some years ago. On the Lace front, I have not done any for a while but hope to get back to my 4 1/2 piece for an Altar cloth I started at Christmas. I did one of Eeva Liisa's pictures (The Crucifixion) last year for my father's 80th birthday - it will be on the walls of the Foyer at State Parliament House from 22nd August for 3 weeks as part of the Lace Guild's commemoration of 25 years of operation. Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] miniature lace
Erika wrote: The competition for the AGM was 'miniature lace', and the entries may be seen on a website... http://www.color2dye4.com/lace/ How lovely, Erika! Did you take the photos? That's when I regret not having a digital camera!! The only thing that could make it better would be having something identifiable, like a coin, or a small stamp, or the beginning of a ruler, in one corner to help us realize how small all those things are. Congratulations on your win!! Where are you going to duisplay your Xmas tree next Christmas?? Helene, the froggy from Melbourne where the weather has gone beautiful again (but cold!). The carpet should be finished when I get home tonight! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] UFO's
Oh Beth your story brought to mind my own unfinished crocheted tablecloth - variegated gold/cream. I can't think where I would use it now, definitely not in my peachy kitchen. :-) I also started it in the late seventies... and I could say I was still in my teens but that would be wishful thinking. g. It was my first and last attempt to crochet until two years ago when I made (and finished) a small baby blanket. (Yeah me!) Nova ( on a lovely calm evening on Vancouver Island,B.C.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:08 AM Subject: Re: [lace] informal survey My best (worst?) UFO is the crochet lace bedspread I started making in my teens (I can't remember exactly what year but it must have been about 1976/77), which has been sitting upstairs in a cupboard for the last twenty years, since I discovered bobbin lacemaking (we all use duvets now anyway). Maybe I should get it out and do a bit more. Mind you,I don't have enough thread to finish it, and don't know whether that particular shade of variegated blue is still available -can anyone think of a use for half a bedspread? Beth - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :-) Life's laws
1. When one wishes to unlock a door but has only has one hand free, the keys are in the opposite pocket. ( Von Fumbles Law) 2. A door will snap shut only when you have left the keys inside. (Yale Law of Destiny) 3. When ones hands are covered with oil, grease, or glue, your nose will start to itch. ( Law of Ichiban) 4. Your insurance will cover everything but what has happened. (Insurance So Sorry Law) 5. When things seem to be going well, you've probably forgotten to do something. (Cheny's Second Corollary) 6. When things seem easy to do, it's because you haven't followed all the instructions. (Destiny Awaits Law ) 7. If you keep your cool when everyone else is losing his, it's probably because you have not realized the seriousness of the problem (Law of Gravitas) 8. Most problems are not created nor solved, they only change appearances. (Einstein's Law of Persistence) 9. You will run to answer the telephone just as the party hangs up on you. (Principle of Dingaling) 10. Whenever one wants to connect with the internet, the call you've been waiting for all day will arrive. (Principle of Bellsouth) 11. If there are only two programs on TV that are worth your time, they will always be at the same time. (Law of Wasteland) 12. The cost is always higher than one budgets for, and it is exactly 3.14 times higher, hence the importance of pi. (Law of Pi Eyed) 13. The probability that one will spill food on one's clothes is directly proportional to the need to be clean. (Law of Campbell Soup) 14. Each and every body submerged in a bathtub will cause the phone to ring. (Law of Ohmy Gad) 15. Each and every body sitting on a commode will cause the doorbell to ring. (Law of Ogolly Gee!) 16. Wind velocity will increase proportionally to the cost of one's hairdo. ( The Donking Principle) 17. After discarding something not used for years, you will need it one week later. (Law of Fatal Irreversibility) 18. Arriving early for an appointment will cause the receptionist to be absent, and if one arrives late, everyone else has arrived before you. (Law of Delay) 19. Do not take life too seriously, because in the end, you won't come out alive anyway. (Theory of Absolute Certainty) Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Bastardy Order - was Sisters
Carolyn A bastardy Order is the equivalent of a modern child maintenance order. Back in the late 18th /early 19th century in England under the old poor laws everything relating to what we would now call Social Services revolved around the parish, each parish being responsible for its own poor. Almost any child born to a single mother was a potential threat to the parish coffers and so the overseers did all they could to minimise the risk. Pressure was put on the mother to name the father, if it wasn't already common knowledge, and then the man was taken before the local magistrate; he either accepted paternity or was unable to prove he wasn't the father (no blood tests then!) and was ordered to pay x amount per week towards the child's upkeep for any time that he/she was dependent on the parish for financial help. The one I have is pretty standard stuff; a pre-printed form with gaps for names, dates and places. My gt gt gt grandmother Mary Harris was delivered of a male bastard child in the parish of Cranbrook on 17th May 1824. She said on oath that the father was George Roots of Biddenden (the next parish), and he could not show any sufficient cause as to why he should not be adjudged the father. So, for the better relief of the parish of Cranbrook he was ordered, on 1st July 1824, to pay four pounds and four shillings towards the costs of Mary's lying-in and maintenance of the child up to that date, and he was also fined ten shillings and six pence for the costs of apprehending and securing him. Further he was ordered to pay two shillings and sixpence per week for each week that the child was dependent on the paris, and Mary six pence per week should she not be nursing and caring for the child herself. I have no idea as to how much George Roots actually paid towards the child's maintenance, though I believe the amounts were the usual 'going-rate' for the time. In November 1824 the baby was baptized at Frittenden (another nearby parish) as George Roots, baseborn son of Mary harris, servant. In January 1825 Mary was married to John Bowles and went on to have a further six sons before her early death in 1839. The baby grew up with his younger half-brothers, and took on the step-father's surname of Bowles, so it's unlikely that the maintenance payments were made for very long. It took a lot of digging to find that Bastardy order. Gt gt grandfather, George Roots Harris Bowles was always the weak link in my family tree, but now having found the proof that John Bowles was not his biological father I had to chop off the longest branch of the tree, and now I'm looking for my Roots! Brenda On 5 Jul 2004, at 00:58, Carolyn Hastings wrote: Wow! Could you please tell, what is a Bastardy Order? Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Bastardy Order - was Sisters
In a message dated 7/5/2004 9:37:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: but now having found the proof that John Bowles was not his biological father I had to chop off the longest branch of the tree, and now I'm looking for my Roots! Good one, Brenda! It is interesting to me that while John Bowles may have been a wonderful person who gave a home to little George, his name and probably a great deal of affection, his background is something of a non-starter in genealogy. Genealogy seems to be a science where one is looking for biological relatives, not legal relatives. Of course, given the imperfect nature of the paternity process you describe, George Root may not actually have been the father either. Our former president Clinton, whose autobiography has just been published, took the name of his mother's second husband out of feelings of family solidarity. Meanwhile, after he was president, it was discovered that his biological father had been named as the father on the birth certificate of another child, possibly Clinton's biological half brother. On the other hand, it was explained that the father of the other child might actually have been a married man, and that Clinton's father, then a single man, might have admitted paternity (falsely) to save the reputation/marriage of another relative. This was apparently common at the time in that area, although it seemed strange to me, given the not unsubstantial financial obligations that go with admitting paternity. But maybe that was different then, too. They say that even now, about 10% of children born within a marriage are not biologically the husband's. Won't it be interesting when the day comes and one can have one's DNA tested in a way that will reveal who one's actual ancestors are? Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Bastardy Order - was Sisters
Hi Esther, one of the joys of Family history is not just tracing dates, but having information about the person. There is something rather special about visiting a place you know someone in your ancestry spent a great deal of time, or knowledge about the occupation from which they made their living. For me, the background information is invaluable. Wills for instance can provide glimpses into peoples lives, what they felt was important, as well as interesting snippets reflecting relationships. For some family members, little information is collected. Others, I have a strange affinity for - and want to know more - much more. The knowledge of why members of the family moved is intriguing. Sometimes there are obvious reasons, closure of a mine meaning miners move on, end of a lease on a farm for the farmers. Others are less clear cut. I have a Jane Thomlinson, born in the Harper Hill area, West Maitland, New South Wales about 1839 in my family. She travelled to India, where she married George Fitton. She also seems to have had a sister who married someone in the same regiment. George was in the army, and eventually they moved back to Lancashire (outside Liverpool) where he was born and with the passing of time became my Gt Gt Gt Grandparents. For me, it is not just where she was born and married, but why did she travel. I believe her father may have either been in the army, or associated with it - but it is not so easy to obtain birth records from NSW in England, which may give me the clue I need. I really do sympathise with those trying to trace their family from outside the UK. Now as yet, I haven't found a lacemaker in my ancestry - but you can be sure that if I found one, I would follow that link avidly. I live in hope of finding a lacemaker as some of my family appear to originate from agricultural labouring families in Wiltshire. To date I have to content myself with yeomen farmers, miners, workers in the cotton industry, shepherds and labourers. Karen, In Coventry To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Genealogy - was Bastardy Order
The knowledge of why members of the family moved is intriguing. Sometimes Well, I know why the families - both my husband's parents' - came to Canada: they followed the call of Free Land - of course nothing in life is free. Granddad paid dearly, had a good job as payroll clerk at the mine in Darton, YKS, and ended up a farmer who lost everything - due to a fire - nine months after setting foot in Canada. All he had was that 'free land' that still had to be cleared to make it suitable for farming. in England, which may give me the clue I need. I really do sympathise with those trying to trace their family from outside the UK. I have not found any problems - except with the size of my wallet ;-( Where parish registers are accessible on film, I use the facilities of the Mormons, the Family History Centre. For certificates, I use FreeBMD where possible (on-line), and the indices on fiche at the FHC. Then save up my pennies to order them from England. Now as yet, I haven't found a lacemaker in my ancestry - but you can be sure that if I found one, I would follow that link avidly. I live in hope of Yes, ditto here. When browsing the 1881 census, I have found a number of bobbin turners, bobbin winders (probably to do with the weaving industry, not lace making), and even some lace-makers. None of them my husband's family though. myself with yeomen farmers, miners, workers in the cotton industry, shepherds and labourers. Waterman, joiner, shipwright, boot shoe dealer, servant, salt worker, are some of the trades I found amongst the family. I have the 1881 index here at home - anyone interested how many bobbin turners, lace workers, lace makers, etc, there were in each county in England? Shouldn't be too hard to sort them out... Greetings from Beautiful British Columbia Esther Perry To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Bastardy Order - was Sisters
On Jul 5, 2004, at 10:06 AM, Esther Perry wrote: I have come to the conclusion that 'genealogy' can mean anything you want it too, and I really don't use the word a whole lot any more. I prefer 'Family History'. And in the Family's History, both biological and natural parents find a place. As I'm an anthropologist, I tend to use the anthropological term of kinship to refer to family structure. This includes biological kin, kin by marriage and fictive kin. To an anthropologist, a family (kin group) is what the members of that group agree that it is... it's about the relationships between members however those relationships are arrived at. Katrina To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] I beg your pardon, did I hear that right?
On BBC Radio 4 there are several ongoing daily or weekly serials of various sorts, and one that is being played at the moment is Unless, Carol Shields final novel. It is set in Toronto and the story teller is an author and translator whose daughter has decided to live on the streets. In tonight's episode, the story teller was talking to an older author about their editor, who had just died. All of a sudden the older woman says: Without editors, writers are nothing but makers of lace Having got over my surprise, I pondered on it for a while then decided that maybe to a non-lacemaker this remark could be very profound, but I found it very dismissive of our skills and slightly insulting to lacemakers. I think I know what she is trying to say, but the comparison perhaps needs to be to something more rapid and transient in its making. If anyone wants to listen to it, (or any other BBC radio programme for that matter,) you can listen on line for up to a week after the transmission; just click listen again. Jacquie To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Post to the UK
I would like to thank all of you who kindly offered to send Richard's impulsive e-bay purchase on to him. We were both amazed at how many of you offered; well, him more than me because he doesn't understand the power of arachne. So a big, big thank you from Richard for offering and from me for proving me right when I told him I was sure someone would help VBG Jacquie To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Bastardy Order - was Sisters
On 5 Jul 2004, at 18:06, Esther Perry wrote: I have come to the conclusion that 'genealogy' can mean anything you want it too, and I really don't use the word a whole lot any more. I prefer 'Family History'. And in the Family's History, both biological and natural parents find a place. Of course. For me gt gt grandfather is the point where genealogy turns into family history. But... here's another angle on 'genealogy'. I have hears it said, that refugees, who fled for example from France to England, took their lace skills with them. Has anyone ever put this kind of thing into a 'genealogy' - Lille from France married Bucks from England and produced. Don't know about that one, but I can trace the origins of my lace teaching back several generations. Some years ago a query from a guy in Hampshire (England) to The Lace Guild was passed to me - because I was local rather than for having a bit of family history know-how. Any way, Dave's gt grandmother was Jane Dillow, a lacemaker from Twyford in Buckinghamshire. Her daughter was Mrs Mary Ainger was the one who moved to kent, her husband worked for a railway company, and she set up a lace school in Cobham under the patronage of Lady Darnley. Her daughter was Helen Hoppe, who was one of the people who taught lacemaking to my first lace teacher, Vera Rigney whom I still see occasionally. Vera is getting frail and quite deaf, but still able to make lace in her mid ninetys. Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
